[2023] PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: BETA Bots: Intro

Originally posted by Alpha__Mod

Will this bot change come to customs too?

Originally posted by Steveven3

I just wanted to say that, unless you already intended that, you should make bots take recommend runes and summoner spells, similar to how they already do with items.

Originally posted by Steveven3

Hmm.. could it be that recommended runes simply have wrong data on the PBE since it doesn't have regular players or something? I swear when i played yesterday they were still using 1 of the old 4 starting rune pages (Had 3 bots with arcane and domination, rengar with Electro and Precision, and Nasus with grasp)

But if that's the plan anyway, I'm glad to hear it!

Originally posted by Steveven3

I played another game to be sure, but no, they use the defaults runes in-game too. Maybe this feature has not yet been implemented in this version?

Originally posted by Compscitutorr

I'm curious - what are the 3 core queues? Are they higher difficulty bots?

Originally posted by Caenen_

Certain spells are having their affects flags changed, completely changing their functionality. Vex R is one such example, since 13.19 the missile only hits enemy champions rather than minions and monster as well.

Changing the affects flags of spells for the Bot's implicit understanding of what can be targeted only works if it uses a composite implementation (wrapper + missile spell) where the cast targeting of a location-targeted wrapper doesnt really care for what units it's set to affect, but a spell that also spawns the missile itself WILL make the missile respect those affects flags.

Are you aware of these types of changes? (Especially since a seizable batch launched right into Worlds patch, 13.19)

Originally posted by SanicScoot

Much nicer than the previous bots overall. I like that they do objectives and seem to use their abilities more like an actual person (I actually have to be worried about getting hit by CC)

Also, will there be a dev article about this test? Digging through patch notes or trying to remember date from the previous article is a bit out of the way and I feel like a decent chunk of people will forget that there's even a test going on rn.

Some things I want to note:

I think the Bots should leash their Jungler, otherwise I can just walk up by myself to the Kha'zix bot on blue level 1 with little to no consequence

Counter Jungling is a bit wonky, the Kha'zix bot went to our side of the Jungle took some camps and then pathed behind our midlane tower and took a bunch of turret shots got executed

Maybe it was just the game I was in but the ganks were very telegraphed as in the bot walked over minion vision

Bots with CC skillshots (Morg Q, Ahri E) will just throw them at your direction even if there's a Minion in the way blocking the skillshot

I can recall right in front of a tower and the bots won't make any extra effort to stop my recall (don't expect them to run to Narnia, but I'm recalling right in front of them underneath their tower)

Originally posted by TropoMJ

I've left some feedback on other comments but just wanted to say this was a fun test. The bots actually having a jungler is such a win for the quality of bots, and the laners actually went to reasonable lanes and bought fairly sane items (Crown rush Lux support?), which is also a big improvement. It was honestly very fun seeing them try to take dragons and fighting them there - maybe it's just the novelty but I think that will be enjoyable and helpful for new players to see rather than just a non-stop laning phase until you win.

I was playing with my boyfriend and we both agreed that these were still extremely easy, but if this is the quality of intro bots then I'm looking forward to seeing the level that beginner and then intermediate bots will play at. Not in terms of "it'll be fun for them to be challenging" (although harder bots will be fun), but it just seems like there's so much room for massive gains in the new player experience with this quality level for bots.

Definitely some kinks to work out which everyone else has already mentioned but really impressed with the step forward here.

Originally posted by ItsEvgen

Played a few games of new bots, and I'd like to give my portion of feedback regarding that.

General:

• Can't use Flash to attempt for escape or maybe even not using spells in general

• Doesn't seem like trying to avoid global ults (like Pantheon R) and even when I use for example Ezreal ult just in front of bots they aren't attempting to run from it

• Once one bot didn't care at all when Nexus Turrets were under attack and was keep farming near second lane turret (GameID: 4460030945)

Lux Bot:

• Not using second E cast

• Trying to damage with W (casting it together with E)

Tristana Bot:

• Seems like playing too aggressive sometimes for Intro bot

[This post will be updated whenever I have something to add]

Originally posted by MiraHighness

I've played two games, and I think they're amazing — I'm only surprised with the ADC bot taking (summoner spell) Heal while the Enchanters take Ignite or Exhaust, while building heal & shield power items. I personally think it should be the other way around.

I haven't seen the jungler bot gank in my games yet.

I understand they're Intro bots, but I also find it strange how they gather one for one at the drake objective (ADC standing there alone for quite some time, leaving them too vulnerable).

I've played with bots since 2011, I'm happy they finally get worked on. Thank you for this update.

Originally posted by Frostzera

Played again today and can say the bots felt a bit better, Lux can use E's second cast and it's nice to see them hover towards one side of the lane on mid depending on the jungler's position. The builds are better than the ones on live, but the runes are the same default ones, Grasp for resolve main, Electrocute for domination, PTA for precision and Comet for sorcery, but even in this case, champions like Ahri are using comet, although electrocute would be better and is used by other champs like Rengar. Played the games i used as base for this report on patch 13.20 on PBE

Originally posted by ItsEvgen

After lastest PBE patch new bots game doesn't event want to start. I tried 3 times and after everyone picked, it just kicks me back to home screen.

Originally posted by RDLupin

u/RiotSentanel u/RiotDashiJador - I was sad to see that the queue was taken down today. Was there a reason it got taken down early (10/3 instead of the originally stated 10/10)?

Originally posted by RDLupin

u/RiotSentanel u/RiotDashiJador - I was sad to see that the queue was taken down today. Was there a reason it got taken down early (10/3 instead of the originally stated 10/10)?

Originally posted by RDLupin

Ahh yup, that would do it. Worlds definitely takes priority.

Thanks for sharing what happened and sorry that it did! Makes sense that the team would be disappointed, but also excited to jump into making the adjustments with all the feedback you've received so far.

Again, thanks for all of your work on the game and for being available in these forums. We're a fortunate group of gamers to have this means of connecting with the devs of the game we love. Cheers!