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[2019] Clash Bracket System Needs Improvement


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It doesn't make sense to me that the winner of the loser's bracket can move on to the 3rd match. How come there is no match to decide who should play the team who went 2-0? If my team goes 1-1 where we win the 1st match and lose the 2nd match, we are done. BUT the team that went 1-1 losing the 1st match, gets to move on to the finals. I get that Riot is trying to speed it along and not make it drag out, but honestly it's dumb. Even if there was something where the two teams that went 1-1, the team with fastest win time moves on? Literally anything would be better than "Oh well this losing team beat the other losing team so they can go on to the final round"

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over 5 years ago - /u/MoreChrono - Direct link

That's not how the brackets work. If you lose the first match you are in a consolation bracket, but you do not go back to the main bracket. All of the teams in the finals are 2-0.

over 5 years ago - /u/MoreChrono - Direct link

Originally posted by whalenailer

I think he means the consolation finals. I agree tho, there should be another game for people who won the first but lost the second. The winners bracket semifinals losers should play each other.

Okay, makes sense. I will mark that down. We lost in the second round as well and I was totally itching to play another game!

over 5 years ago - /u/MoreChrono - Direct link

Originally posted by nizzy2k11

No matter what, when I go into clash I should be playing as many games as everyone else. It felt bad that a team with the same record as us got to play another game and we didn't. And I don't know if that did get them more prizes but if it did that is off too.

Definitely didn't get them more prizes. It's hard for us to guarantee the same number of games for everyone but we can definitely look at the 3rd place match. Historically we saw a lot of player not wanting to play more after losing which is why it isn't in today, but that doesn't mean we can't revisit. Thanks for the viewpoint!

over 5 years ago - /u/MoreChrono - Direct link

Originally posted by PraiseTheStun

Is EUW next up for clash testing? Also, are you guys going to release a feedback article about the results of this clash test?

Probably won't do a feedback article about this specific test, maybe something after we complete more regions. As far as EUW is concerned we have to wait and see how NA finishes up before we can make decisions about the next regions.

over 5 years ago - /u/MoreChrono - Direct link

Originally posted by Fluffasaurus89

How’s clash looking so far in terms of performance on NA?

Yesterday was really good! There seemed to be an issue with high ping for a few players but we aren't sure that it is related to Clash. For the most part everyone got through it pretty smoothly. Today should reveal even more information so fingers crossed!

over 5 years ago - /u/MoreChrono - Direct link

Originally posted by Fluffasaurus89

Also, I didn’t see anywhere but what’s the plan in a theoretical perfect world, where clash doesn’t crash and performs perfectly. Will it become a permanent game mode or will it be accessible every week for a few days?

Ideally Clash is available a couple times a month for a couple of days each time.

over 5 years ago - /u/MoreChrono - Direct link

Originally posted by acbalint93

Clash could maybe use an mmr system like TFT.

Just to clear out how i imagine this: R1 winners go to winners bracket, and winners bracket would also have a 3rd place decider for the losers of the R2 winners bracket.

R1 Losers would go for consolation bracket, but the teams losing in R2 would still play for 7th. This helps with getting more accurate mmr, and also out of the 8 team 7 would have at least 1 win and kind of feel good about themselfs. (at least better than losing all game)

So now you have an accurate result from 1st to 8th place.

(Also props to you responding to almost every clash post, however small they are.)

Yeah this would help us for accuracy for sure, but only if everyone plays every game. We are trying to balance it out. I think when we saw a lot of players not playing in consolation we decided it wasn't something they wanted. Seems like that desire has changed a bit so we will revisit it.

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