[2022] Patch 12.3 Zeri Nerfs from Riot August

Originally posted by Excalidorito

I know they’re effective but I really wish Riot would stop putting so many champs at a sluggish 325 base MS.

I’d rather them target the ult MS if I’m honest.

Originally posted by IWillNameMyChildZoe

what is so bad about 50% winrate? Why can't they wait until it actually goes to like 54%? I don't see how is she broken

she has literally no damage and is next to useless without that ult

Originally posted by thekobbernator

If she's ALSO always faster than you, what exactly are you meant to do against her?

isnt that kind of her entire philosophy with using r and building hurricane lol

Originally posted by DanielDKXD

Really don't think ori belongs in 325 speed tier, she basically have no mobility and have very limited movement speed options, ziggs is in a kinda same-ish position.

Originally posted by TheWarmog

August: Think of Zeri like Ezreal, the best builds for her are alike

Playerbase: finds the build

August: Nerfs runaan interaction, nerfs her damage with that build, forces her to build crit

Playerbase: Well, this was worthless _(°-°)_/

Originally posted by Thothowaffle

Sorry this is only slightly related, but I am interested how the concept you mentioned with speed might inform how champion sizes are determined.

Clearly some champions are larger are smaller then their base model makes them appear like Warwick being the size of most yorbles, or Neeko being as large as Nautilus.

Originally posted by Excalidorito

Okay you got me, I didn’t actually realize 325 as a base MS Stat was fairly uncommon.

Point still stands though, quite a few of these champs do feel sluggish when they don’t have access to their mobility or MS steroids and that honestly just doesn’t feel very good imo.

Kiting and letting Zeri have that “big moment” ult where she’s zipping across the teamfight and being hard to pin down is a pretty good design idea imo, but I feel she might become overly reliant on it if she loses base MS.

Originally posted by Thothowaffle

Thank you for answering.

I was more curious if you knew how champions are decided to be put in certain size brackets if that makes sense. Either way the question does not matter that much.

Originally posted by Excalidorito

Touché, but are they also not encouraging less Triforce and more Crit itemization with these changes?

Originally posted by HiddenoO

Trinity Force is like 6% win rate above any crit item in the game.

Where do you see that?

At least the data we have available from third party sites like lolalytics.com suggests that shieldbow performs well on her, too. See e.g. https://i.imgur.com/5VIrzhr.png

And that's still skewed towards Trinity Force since there's a selection bias towards less knowledgable players among the players playing crit builds on her right now.

Wouldn't Essence Reaver + Shieldbow have similar synergies on her as Trinity Force? Especially now that her ult on-hit damage can also crit?

Edit: It's obviously a low sample size but Shieldbow + ER (and vice versa) currently sit at 57.74% and 58.31% WR according to lolalytics.com, not far off from Trinity Force's ~59% two-item WRs. It also makes sense that her builds would favor crit more than Ezreal's since her attack that procs Sheen can crit unlike that of Ezreal.

Originally posted by DiusFidius

I've been playing a bunch of Soraka lately and her 325 ms is pretty painful. Obviously she has conditional ms from her passive and q, but they're highly gated, and trying to chase down an ally at 50% hp while they run away from you is incredibly frustrating. Any thoughts on why she's so slow?

Originally posted by UNOvven

Or is Swain, whose movement speed got nerfed in a patch that claimed to make Swain better in Solo lanes and high elo, but actually did the exact opposite.