[2022] Riot Phroxzon's goals for Jungle

You realize that several champions literally have execute indicators, but not others, right?

No one loses their mind over Cho'Gath and Pyke having execute indicators.

Because, you know, it's implemented with consideration and not slippery slope bullsh*t like Reddit likes to spew because they can't argue against the actual changes being made.

In what way are you not thinking? I'm not suddenly dumber at clearing just because I don't kill Gromp+Blue together.

You literally have deeper choices than "red or blue smite" and otherwise have slightly slower clears. That's it. That's the changes.

The problem is, your satire (or sarcasm) is indistinguishable from the exact same comments that people mean legitimately.

A substantial portion of "I don't like this" posts simply strawman a hypothetical.

Rhetorical sarcasm is the exact method people have been using this week to lambast the changes, which made the intent of your post unknowable.

I’m glad you like the changes, though!

I feel you, but the game literally tells you the true damage of the ability on the tooltip and has for many years. It's comparably much harder to know at what damage Garen R will kill someone than reading the Cho'Gath tooltip and it saying "823" and going, "K I'm gonna look for 823 or lower."

For any ability asking for anything more than just "read the tooltip" there isn't an indicator. To me, that feels fair.

So, personally, I would like there to even be tower range indicators.

In my mind, things that do not change or don't have even first-grade math involved should likely just be shown to players. Cho'Gath and Pyke R, for example, is just comparing tooltip number to health bar. For basic attacking minions, comparing total AD to health bar is just as easy and I think it should exist. There could be an argument around things like BotRK/Wit's/Noonquiver making that slightly less trivial and thus breaking the rule, but I think even just doing it based on total AD would be fine.

As for how the Summoner's Rift team--who would likely make such a change--feel, I couldn't say.

Indeed, safety around invades has gone down. Looks like players have some learning to do around jungle invades.

I think the leash distance re: intent is slightly overstated here. It's not no-change, to be clear, but you still kite monsters in a direction. There's still somewhere to be and it's still correct to bring it to the edge of patience. Now more players know where that distance is and can more comfortably make that choice.

I think the argument of "make double-camping mechanically easier" is a poor one. Doing it at all is not intuitive, which is the problem. It's not that it takes time in practice tool to learn the Red/Raptors or Blue/Wolves Fiddlesticks start, it's that you really just have to watch someone else do it on YouTube to even think of it. And then it's kinda just a "Did I watch a YouTube video?" tax which I'm not personally a fan of. Plus increasing leash ranges even further pushes jungle into a list of hyper-optimized things you must do to earn more gold per minute. Not only do you need to be outside the circle at 40 health so it burns, but you need to pull every single camp into double or triple-camps clears and also now you can bring raptors clear into the lane before starting so you have a full four second headstart on anyone who doesn't know to do it and yeah, I get how people just don't want to get in on it.

Meanwhile, I can earn full gold at 100% efficiency by just right clicking well as a mid laner. Is it actually harder than that? Yes, of course. But the jungle optimizations in the game right now are honestly pretty unintuitive. Like literally running away from camps at 40 hp is mandatory. Actually, running away at 200 hp so you can cast a spell on a 20-patience Dire Wolf + Blue Buff is the real correct way to do it.

The real skill test to jungling, IMO, is pressing F2-5 and checking in on lane states and figuring out where to be next. The less you have to calculate Q damage + jungle burn - patience timer, the more players must differentiate via pathing and reaction.