[2022] [Data] Yasuo and Yone have already recovered to a 51% win-rate in Plat+. Buffing them would be a mistake.

Originally posted by DoorHingesKill

Huh.

However, by the end of Patch 12.1, players have already acclimated to the changes

Is that so.

Can you elaborate to us what changes happened to Lulu in 12.1, changes to which Lulu players then acclimated and climbed back up?

The power of acclimatization also benefitted Vayne I suppose.

And Akshan

And Blitzcrank, naturally.

Shen

Jinx, of course.

Qiyana

Lux

Vex, though that might be related to the Vex Emote, given as an exclusive reward for the 2022 ranked season Split1.

Darius

pLaTiNuM rYzE oN hIs WaY tO 50% wIn RaTe???
Must be the power of acclimatization.

Two things. Obviously, this is complete bullshit. Let's call it the January 13 lolalytics win rate surge. I noticed it yesterday thanks to that absurd Ryze graph, the fact that some Reddit genius uses it to advocate against a specific champion's buffs (had to be Yone of course) is nothing short of hilarious, though I should have seen it coming.

My second point. I'm sure members from Riots balance team browse Reddit.

I am also sure they absolutely do not give a single f**k about what Redditors have to say about the patch 2 days before release. Why are you even trying? Why are you this desperate? Man. f**king weird.

Originally posted by Excalidorito

u/GalaxySmash

Sorry for the ping but I’m curious since we’re on the topic of feedback, design and perception, I’ve always been curious if player frustration is something Riot has tried to measure and if it plays any significant part in balancing.

There are a handful of champs (most notably Yasuo, Yone, Zed) that retain high banrates despite not having overperforming winrates. Is this something Riot considers as a frustration factor or do you look at it in a different light?

Originally posted by JustJohnItalia

follow up question, do you guys have a "balance" framework for this aswell or is it more of an open discussion in your team?

Because obviously with each new champ release the ban pool dilutes, a champ was considered oppressive and banned a lot 4 years ago would have a considerable lower banrate today since we only have 5 bans after all

Originally posted by Excalidorito

Do Yasuo and Yone not hit the bar because they haven’t retained their banrates for a long enough time, or are the banrates not high enough? Obviously I understand if you can’t share that kind of info but I’m genuinely curious about the thought process behind Riot’s balancing decisions.

Oh and also thanks for the quick response, it’s super appreciated!

Originally posted by Rand0mdude02

Out of curiosity, what is the most valuable or most discussed form of feedback you see? Any types of posts or comments that make one of you go "Huh, I didn't think of that" or "That's a good idea".

I feel like there's a large difference between "Yone is broken" compared to (and I'm pulling this out of my butt as I don't play much these days) "His W is too strong for these reasons, I wish it had this handicap" or something similar. Given that you have access to internal data I imagine most of these ideas have already been considered anyway.

Any insight on how to give meaningful complaints that result in more than Rioters seeing someone express they don't like something? I suppose I'm asking for Reddit specific as content creators like Moobeat and Vandril already contribute meaningfully in different ways that aren't what I'm thinking of.

Originally posted by Blackout28

Because their banrate isnt high enough. For our internal data Zed has been within the range of 50% (back and forth between 1-2% above and below) for many patches

Possibly a stupid question but I'm going to ask it anyway. Why is a champion allowed to have that high a ban rate for that long, before you guys make changes? He's been north of 40% since around 11.21.

Originally posted by megapuffranger

If you do decide to buff Yone, I hope it’s not an obvious huge power spike. I only play Yone cuz he fun, but sometimes it can be difficult to get him. If the buff is straight up power, he will be permabanned. It’s understandable as he isn’t very fun to play against when he is strong.