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Hey everyone, I played this game a little in 2017 for pure fun and didn't stay. Now it's 2021 and I am looking to find a competitive game where I can enjoy improving and being a good player. From Dota 2, I peaked rank 1,000 NA and just got tired of the game and Valve. My Dotabuff: AltArmada - Overview - DOTABUFF - Dota 2 Stats . Invoker is my most played hero (17 Spells) and I was pretty good on him, with that being said I have no idea how to transfer my skills over at all, in league I am like silver and I am missing core aspects of the game, anyone else switch from dota? Because I feel immensely trash and the contrast between my skill level is kinda getting to me. Where do I start learning this game from a solid foundation?

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over 3 years ago - /u/riotdanhonks - Direct link

Originally posted by sandweeecch

Why do you think smurfs can keep 90% winrates in low elo, do you think it's because of their execution or because they know how the game works? I'm saying that he should learn macro over execution and once he has good macro he can focus on execution, since he'll be learning execution along the way

On the account I made in NA I went from unranked to platinum with zero losses as a mid lane player playing Ryze back when he was considered weak; none of that was due to macro play (I suck at macro), it really was just down to execution in lane. I suppose if you're a support or a jungler then it may be more about macro, but as a mid or top you can solo win just by outplaying your opponent and forcing multiple people top or mid lane without even looking at macro; people will naturally come to try to shut you down, and if you play well you'll just kill them our waste their time (or both).

Not that this is how you should play, but this is also a very common reason why one trick ponies tend to climb to a plateau around plat or low diamond and stay there, because that is when macro does start to matter. You could argue that perhaps I had internalised macro knowledge that enabled me to win vs low elo players, but I can tell you with absolute confidence that until I really wanted to start climbing above diamond, I didn't even know that minion waves could be manipulated intentionally (back in 2017). I just knew that sometimes I would end up in an unfavourable minion state and no idea how to resolve it, which is one of the most basic macro things you learn.

But I feel like trying to start on macro prior to that is just going to end in frustration because the macro plays that should happen won't happen - setting up a wave and waiting to pick someone off when they go to farm it won't work if everyone is ARAM in mid. Besides, you can't macro your way out of 5-6 cs per minute as a carry player.

over 3 years ago - /u/riotdanhonks - Direct link

Originally posted by sandweeecch

That's fair, low elo players tend to be unpredictable and just aram, but i still think it's important to know your macro because you can create huge gold and experience differences through it when they aram and build leads that can make objectives nearly impossible to take for the enemy team, then again your own teammates probably won't listen though so you'll have to 1v9 with the leads you create

Macro is a great way to accrue leads but unless you have the knowledge to execute on that macro (which involves execution, especially if you are not at an advantage already), it's less reliable in the ranks OP will be at to begin with than just raw mechanical skill. In many cases, players simply don't know how much damage they deal or can take and that alone will win you a lane, and a 1/0 lead is devastating when applied with, again, the appropriate execution.

You don't need complicated macro play to climb at all, and you certainly don't need to worry about it much beyond "where was the jungler last seen?" for a very long time

over 3 years ago - /u/riotdanhonks - Direct link

Hey OP!

in league I am like silver and I am missing core aspects of the game, anyone else switch from dota?

This isn't so bad. Silver is average at the game. Since you've only recently just started playing again, that's really not bad, especially when you consider a good chunk of players never make it to silver.

I don't know a whole lot about DoTA2 but my recommendation would be that you go into each game with a defined goal. I'm a mid laner so I can only advice there, but usually I would aim for something like "hit X cs per minute", "don't die to a gank", and then focus most of my effort on that. I'm sure it's the same in DoTA2 but in order to climb you don't need to be popping off every game, you just need to be consistent.

If you're not already familiar with all of the champions, I'd also recommend looking up the champions you'll be up against on something like lolwiki during champion select, and paying close attention to when they use their abilities and what they look like when you're in game so you can start to learn how to counterplay them.

In general the tried and tested advice in LoL is to stick to one champion, focus on minimising your own mistakes and once you're doing this consistently you'll naturally start to notice mistakes of the opponent; those mistakes will be similar to those in dota2 - did someone step too far forward without an escape? did they use an ability and whiff it and are now down an ability compared to you so you can trade? etc