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I never understood the hate some people have for diamond players. And I really think it's just a vocal minority of people that watch high elo streamers and just mimic their personality and phrases, but that's mostly just a surmise. Because, I always thought diamond players they were really good at the game. Just for some perspective, my breakdown of the ranks would be:

Iron: Very inexperienced. usually either really new, really young, elderly or has some condition holding them back (Parkinson's, loss of a body part, extreme anxiety etc)

Bronze: Still very inexperienced, may have developed some bad habits that's holding them back from becoming silver

(this is where it may start getting controversial)

Silver: Average players. Not bad but not incredible either. You will see most of these players in your norms games. Has alot of room to grow

Gold: Above average. The equivalent of getting a B on your report card. I've always considered these players to be good at the game. Not the best of the best, but still good at the game.

Platinum: Above above average. The equivalent of getting an A on your report card. I've always considered these players to be really good.

Diamond: The Equivalent of getting an A+ on your report card. Incredible at the game.

Master, GM and Challenger: The best of the best, alot of them are veteran players or ex-pro players. The equivalent of getting an A+ in an advanced placement subject.

On the other hand, those aforementioned diamond-hating players seem to have their list like

Iron: Terrible

Bronze: terrible

Silver: terrible

Gold: terrible

Platinum: Terrible

Diamond: Absolutely garbage. I'd rather have an iron 4 player on my team before I get matchmade with a diamond player. Please God come to the world and cleanse us of the diamond plague.

Master. GM and challenger: Average

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about 5 years ago - /u/riotaredherring - Direct link

Originally posted by FlowedState

I'll just make this argument the whole top % thing just doesnt hold water, due to the amount of smurfs. For example I am a master tier player but i have 16 accounts ranging from gold to diamond, so I'm curious to see the actual % with all the smurfs taken out I'd be willing to bet it diamond is somewhere around top 20% and that in my opinion is not good. Especially since this year riot made grandmaster I truly believe that platinum of 2018 is now the level diamond of 2019 is at.

I'd be willing to bet it diamond is somewhere around top 20% and that in my opinion is not good

I'm not a betting man but if I was I would definitely not take that bet

Especially since this year riot made grandmaster I truly believe that platinum of 2018 is now the level diamond of 2019 is at.

I didn't work on the matchmaking system but I'd say low level diamond is now the level of previous high plat and high diamond 2019 is mid diamond 2018 based on my personal experience

about 5 years ago - /u/riotaredherring - Direct link

Originally posted by FlowedState

I personally know 20 people who each have 6+ accounts each in low gold so I still would say 20% for diamond 4. I bet you also have 2 accounts I dont know of a single person who has less than 2 accounts.

I'd be okay with agreeing with high plat low diamond but what is high plat p3-p1? Because low plat is p4-p5. See what I am saying your essentially splitting hairs. In my opinion which is based on personal expierence of climbing through unranked to diamond at least 30 times this season. It seems diamond is the new plat

Low gold is a lot easier to achieve than diamond, even for diamond players. I get placed in high gold on new accounts :P That's still a far cry from saying diamond is top 20%. It's simply not. on EUW that would be like putting several hundred thousand more people in diamond.

about 5 years ago - /u/riotaredherring - Direct link

Originally posted by FlowedState

But we are cutting the player base in more than half due to smurfs. It just comes down to your opinion vs mine. I truly believe diamond is like getting a B it's good and some people are happy about it and others are not.

I'm saying that for your statement to be true we'd need several hundred thousand smurfs. There aren't even a hundred thousand players in dia on euw.

about 5 years ago - /u/riotaredherring - Direct link

Originally posted by FlowedState

And there probably are several hundred thousands smurfs I'd say there are over 4millin worldwide. I mean think about it do you know a single person who has only 1 account. Everyone I've ever talked to has 3 or more

several hundred thousands smurfs

probably! but there are definitely not enough smurfs to make diamond go from top 2% to top 20%.

about 5 years ago - /u/riotaredherring - Direct link

Originally posted by WildVariety

Imagine thinking you know more than a Rioter when it comes to this, when he almost certainly has access to 100% accurate statistics while you're talking out your arse.

I don't. I'm speaking purely anecdotally.