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Love your videos (I refer to them sometimes internally)
I'm not the one doing these changes but I'd like to mention that none of these numbers are permanent and are all still subject to tuning as this is decently early in the PBE cycle.
Love your videos (I refer to them sometimes internally)
I'm not the one doing these changes but I'd like to mention that none of these numbers are permanent and are all still subject to tuning as this is decently early in the PBE cycle.
Thank you thank you thank you anyways :) I have barely played her jungle since the W nerf.
I did help with them and test/suggest a few ;)
Yup! I don't expect some of these numbers to ship to live as is, but I do actually like the general idea behind buffing certain laners into jungle semi-viability, though. I think it not only loosens jungle restrictions on beginners, but also spices things up for a lot of the older jungle players who've been playing with the current roster for years and years now. I have some friends that are really excited about trying some of these picks.
100% agreed. Opening up more champs to the jg is exciting for me as well, I'm really hoping these land well
Isn't PBE basically whats going to be on live apart from fixing bugs?
Not quite. Often content that goes to PBE is completely ready to go to live (think art, assets, etc.) but their tuning states are not necessarily there. To my knowledge we don't use PBE data to tune because the data is very very far off reliable, but the tuning numbers are often not final on item/champion changes by the time they get pushed to PBE.
Yup. Riot most definitely doesn't push broken numbers to live.
Memes aside, I'm worried as f**k that Darius and Morgana won't be tuned down. What's even the reasoning to buff Darius? He's a toplaner, and he's already strong there. He doesn't need the ability to take Dragon at level 1, or these buffs that let him walk into the enemy jungle between waves for free krugs/gromp.
Haha all that is not to say we don't push broken numbers to live, mistakes happen regardless. The goal of these changes is to broaden the jungle pool by giving champion that are more broadly popular in all elos (especially lower elos) the ability to exist as junglers. Expect these numbers to be tuned as necessary, we want these champions to be playable in the jungle, but won't force them to be S tier.
jungle neeko followed by pro balance issues when?
I'm personally a fan of Jeeko, it'd mean shes a 5 role flex too which is kinda sick
Convince them to lighten Gwen's jungle cap to 15(+30% AP) if you want the role to be popular with a new champ 🥺 I'll smash galaxies for you if that's what it takes.
Always a fan of smashing galaxies <3. We don't really want to forcibly enable Gwen jungle, we are fine with it existing but she is primarily a top laner and secondarily a mid laner. Viego can hopefully sustain junglers' desires for a new champion for awhile! He's awesome :D
The goal of these changes is to broaden the jungle pool
What's your guy's stance on Re-Buffing Sylas JG? He was VERY popular JG and anytime I see you guys do these specific kind of JG changes (pushing Morg, Darius, Zed, etc into JG) I always see tons of comments and tweets asking to Re-Buff Sylas JG. Is there no way for him to JG without being either OP or UP?
Can't speak on the team's stance on it, but I can give my personal opinion here. I think bringing Sylas jungle back could be not too bad, but the struggle with making these champions junglers is what we want to do it without buffing their lane. There will always be overlap to some degree, but minimizing that overlap as much as possible is always a goal. Something I feel we also tend to want to avoid is introducing junglers that will just be clear gods AND scale absurdly well, and thus they are incentivized to just powerfarm in the jungle until they scale to late game. This is part of the reason you don't see marksman among the champions we are trying to introduce into the jungle. Also caveat here that of course some champions like this already exist (looking at your Karthus), but they are in the minority and them existing to some degree adds some healthy variety, we just want to avoid that being the overwhelming strategy of junglers.
Since this popped out of a Sylas discussion specifically, do you think Sylas prone to poaching camps from mid enough that, say, a buff to monster damage on his passive or Q risks over-buffing his lane too much?
Because looking at some of these changes it feels like there might already be some potential issues that might be more worrying, such as mid Morgana being much more able to easily path into Raptors from mid now (or take Scuttle as a support), or lane Mordekaiser having a much easier time threatening fights in the jungle because tapping a jungle monster is enough to keep his passive going and his threat active. Not that I don't like opening the jungle to these characters -- I just see potential for significant new opportunities or strengths for laners as well.
Yeah I think those concerns are reasonable callouts and something that we have kept in mind during testing. I think that our conclusions have been that these are acceptable risks that won't manifest themselves too often to be unhealthy to champion/game as a whole. I can't say for sure about Sylas being prone to poach camps, I think it carries some risk but the main risk of Sylas jungle is turning him into one of the aforementioned power-farming hyperscalers. I think something else I forgot to mention before is that Sylas is a bit of a flex pick for both mid and top in pro play, making him a trio flex pick carries some massive risk for furthering how pro-bound he is as a champion, which is also something we generally prefer to avoid.