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On main stage, blue side is 23-7 (76.7% WR) with 4 of those losses being LNG beating C9, GenG beating G2 2x, and DK beating BDS, 4 matches that arguably went the way they were expected to go irrespective of side selection.

To try to remove some matchups that are just unfair from the jump (like JDG beating BDS on blue side) I filtered for the matchups that are of similar skill level just by blanket separating by region with G2 as an exception (EU/NA vs EU/NA and G2/KR/CN vs G2/KR/CN). In these matches, blue side is 13-3 (81.3% WR).


Winners in bold:

C9 vs MAD

G2 vs DK

BLG vs KT

NRG vs TL

MAD vs BDS

GenG vs T1

G2 vs WBG

JDG vs BLG

DK vs KT

JDG vs LNG

LNG vs JDG

JDG vs LNG

G2 vs GenG

G2 vs GenG (arguably this series is unfair to count, but kept for accuracy)

NRG vs MAD

KT vs WBG


Do you guys think it's a systemic imbalance or is it not as big of an advantage as the numbers might make it seem?

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about 1 year ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by correalvinicius

There are way too many champions that need to be banned regardless:

Xayah Kalista Maokai Orianna Rell Rakan Rumble Alistar are all first pickable and should be banned accordingly, red side draft is considerably worse because of that, specially because these champions don't have many counters, which is what redside is for. Therefore blueside is way too strong.

This could obviously andnprobably will change next week though as teams try to come up with solutions to these draft issues.

..........and what happens when Blue Team can't first pick eight champions at once?

IDK how anyone can still think red team has three must bans. It's straight asinine.

about 1 year ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by correalvinicius

Then blue side has been getting most of these champions, teams haven't yet figured out the meta. Maybe its all due to very few champions, I'd say Xayah and Maokai for an example, but teams haven't yet gotten to that conclusion which is why Xayah is so often open.

The times teams have won on red side have been because the team is just flat out better:

BDS vs JDG

C9 vs LNG

D+ vs KT (also D+ blundered draft)

G2 vs GenG (2x, in this case G2 was willing to trade Maokai for Xayah and it didn't payoff either)

Liquid vs GAM

BDS vs D+

The counter-argument can be that there hasn't been many upsets in worlds at all, it would be true, and that better teams have picked blue side quite often and it is true. But it also has to be accounted for that teams cannot use counterpicks effectively so far and haven't figured out what to ban and what trades are decent, therefore there are many champions that can be blinded with no punishment which favors blueside a lot

Red teams can't tell even numbers from odd? Weird how one team gets "most" of them when each team gets an equal number of picks.

Like if you told me Maokai is earth-shatteringly broken and counters the 2nd best champion, then cool, that's a real reason to declare that red has a ban burden.

But that claim hasn't been made, which means the logic reads really fishy to me.