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So I recently saw some comments by u/Reav3 that stated that female players trend very heavy towards almost exclusively playing female champions which I thought was really interesting.

Here are the comments, word for word that I am referencing;

"We aren't abandoning half our playerbase by making more female Champions. Our data shows that female players primarily play female champions, in fact its something like 97% of female players only play female champions. Male players are evenly spilt between male and female champions, so Male players play 50/50 between male and female champions, If anything whenever we make a male champion we are abandoning most of our female players, since most of our female players won't play male champions at all."

"Here is a word cloud from 2017 that illustrates this more. The survey asked players what their favorite champions were. Left is male players and right is female players

https://imgur.com/a/GNDKsDA"

This is pretty interesting to me and really makes me wonder why this is. Personally as a guy my 2 most played champs are 1 female champion and 1 male champion. It seems really weird to me that women prefer to play champions that reflect their real gender. Gender really doesn't feel like something I would consider when choosing a champion. For me what is important is mostly how fun the champ is to play and how much I can improve at the champion.

I would be interested in your opinions on this and why you think this is. Would also be very interesting to hear some women give their opinion and if this reflects them or if they are statistical outliers.

Edit to add links to the comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v2px0y/a_new_story_the_boys_and_bombolini_featuring/ibit5w8/?context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v2px0y/a_new_story_the_boys_and_bombolini_featuring/ibj1cou/?context=3

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over 2 years ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

I like girls. And dog and himbos (Spirit Blossom Thresh UwU)

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by OnlyNoNumberNameLeft

I remember when I first read a similar statistic and thought that it cant be true. Checked my most played champs and was surprised to find out that I have the tendency aswell.

But Id say most females play botlane and a huge amount of bot lane champs are female. That the newer addiotions are all female probably isnt a coincidence. Kaisa, Senna, Samira, Rell, Seraphine, Zeri...

Actually female players tend to play ADC, Support and Midlane roughly the same amount. Jungle and top are the roles that have very few female players queueing for. It correlates strongly with data we have that shows that female players heavily prefer to play ranged champions rather then melee champions

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Fictitious1267

This is so dumb. You don't need to cater to the female audience at all. What percentage of your total player base is female anyway? 10%? 5%? 1%?

Great! You've over hit your target anyway. Make some male champs for the rest of us. Give us some masculine male enchanters. You had a really cool concept for Renata, and a perfect opportunity to give us a different, masculine take on an enchanter, and defaulted to another female (we haven't had a male support since pyke in season 8).

I think all of this is an excuse for an entire lack of creativity.

To be clear I never said we were catering to anyone. The question I was answering was someone saying we were ignoring half the player base by making slightly more female champs. I had said the reason we are making slightly more female champs is because right now we have less female champs then male champs on the roster. We believe long term its better for the roster to have a more even split between male and female champs. I was just saying that we wouldn't be ignoring male players by making female champions anyway, since most male players don't care about the champion gender.

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by xvhayu

i think a huge part is the fact that top and jungle are composed of melee fighters and tanks. sure, you have the occasional irelia or gwen, but apart from that it's all sweaty old dudes and fat monster champs. that's one of the reasons i main adc lol (i'm a guy tho).

i think if there were beginner friendly melees like garen, jax, warwick, master yi, ... as female version (as in cute girls, not illaoi), those roles could be much more popular.

For sure and we are aware those roles are lacking more feminine champions. Both Gwen and Lillia were attempts to add some more diversity to the types of Champions in Top/Jungle

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by TxksDQZN

What is the data on female monster champs. Once again just confirmation that it's just neckbeards circlejerking about monster champs

We unfortunately don't have many female monster champs, Rek'Sai being one of the only ones and it's not clear Rek'Sai is female unless you read the lore. It will be interesting to see how Bel'Veth does

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by ubuprojex

Do you think that's because there are more of the champs that appeal to female players in those roles, or because of how the roles themselves play?

Not sure, and I don't think their is any one reason. I don't think broad generalizations of people are that helpful. I think their are probably many different reasons why people make decisions on things like this.

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by 10inchblackhawk

Have you considered doing the opposite? Adding a manly botlane ADC or enchanter support to diversify these classes?

yes, of course.

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by DescriptionElegant70

Hey mr. Reav3, but have you considered to add a darkin tank support male or female, who cares. Just a darkin tank support?

Darkin is a place we really want to explore more in the future. Support and mid are the 2 places that don't have a Darkin yet. A Darkin support of some sort does sound sweet though, not sure what class it would be though

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Shadow_Claw

I have nothing to add to the discussion but just wanna say I super love and appreciate what you guys have been doing in that direction with precisely those two additions!

E: also this is totally a pipe dream but have there been any ideas floating about with a more modern magical girl, precure, fisticuffs type of appeal?

We haven't discussed that, but it's certainly a interesting idea

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by AobaSona

I feel like we're missing a male enchanter. I remember the video teasing Renata where Riot showed all enchanters and said "What is missing?", and while the answer was a dark "evil" champion, what a lot of people thought was, well, men, especially cause Taric being an enchater is... Debatable.

Besides that, I also think more "pretty boy" champions are missing. Not just any attractive guy, but some more twink-ish Ezreal/Aphelios types. So basically, a pretty enchanter boy would definetely appeal to a certain demographic.

And to sort of go off-topic, I know we just got Graves/TF and I don't wanna sound greedy but there's still not that much MLM (gay/bi men) characters. Sorry at this point I'm basically requesting a champ, but really one that filled at least two of these qualities would be great lol.

I agree with all of the points above. Renata actually started out as a male enchanter. We pivoted to female because we wanted to distance the Champion from Silco more. A Male Enchanter is still very high on out to do list. Agree we also need more MLM champions then just Graves/TF as well

over 2 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by ejpon3453

Sounds like a big design challenge to me. In the sense that melee champs will always have to be heavily armored / bulky and not feminine. Even other games are struggling to overcome this visual problem. The only feminine close ranged champ I can think of is D.Va with her mecha suit providing the needed armor while her staying very feminine.

In another regard: Perhaps the whole design way of champs is male-gaze focused and female-gaze champs, in general, are not being made, no matter the gender of the champ itself.

Assassins and skirmishers don't need to be heavily/armored or bulky though

over 2 years ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by PikaTheWolf

f**k yeah Warwick gaming

The best boi

over 2 years ago - /u/NeoLexical - Direct link

Originally posted by Solash1

I wonder what the actual reason for women gravitating more to female characters is

I have my version... at least anecdotally, I see the champ I pick as an extension of myself (an avatar) rather than a tool for the game.

I have another personal theory that lots of male champs are designed to heighten power fantasy which I find myself dissociating from. I think there is room to create male champion aesthetics that female can identify with. Would be an interesting experiment.