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[2019] Patch 9.24b Preview - Riot Scruffy


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https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1206679624719257602

Patch 9.24b is a serverside-only patch that's projected to drop roughly mid-week.

Should be coming roughly mid week.

https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1206679692062994432

Contents of 9.24b:

Buffs:

  • Serrated Dirk (+5 AD)
  • Edge of Night (+5 AD)
  • Cloud Soul (30% MS for 3 seconds -> 50% MS for 6 seconds after ult cast)
  • Alistar (AD/level 3.62->3.75, Passive heal 20-139->25-161)
  • Ezreal (Q total AD ratio 110%->120%)
  • Garen (E damage/level 0-6.6->0-8.2 (partial revert of 6.24's nerf))
  • Gnar (Mega Q total AD ratio 120%->140%, Mega W base damage 25-105->25-145)
  • Graves (E CD 18-14->16-12)

Nerfs:

  • Elder Dragon buff (-30 s buff duration, 90-270->75-225)
  • Ocean Drake buff (3%->2.5% per stack)
  • Ocean Soul (180+40% bAD+25% AP+10% bHP->160+36% bAD+22.5% AP+9% bHP and 90+4% max mana->80+3.5% max mana)
  • Infernal Drake buff (5%->4% per stack)
  • Infernal Soul (damage 90+25% bAD+15% AP+3% bHP->80+22.5% bAD+13.5% AP+2.75% bHP)
  • Mountain Drake buff (8%->6% per stack)
  • Mountain Soul (Shield 225+20% bAD+15% AP+15% bHP->200+18% bAD+13.5% AP+13.5% bHP)
  • Shaco (E damage ratio 80% bAD+60% AP->70% bAD+55% AP, E mana cost 50-70->65 flat)
  • Heimerdinger (W damage 60-180->50-170 per rocket, R+E damage 150-350+75% AP->100-300+60% AP)
  • Aphelios (Calibrum mark damage 40% bAD->30% bAD, Infernum R additional target damage 40% bAD->25% bAD, Infernum R explosion radius 500->400)

EDIT: Details on the respective changes were added following initial posting.

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almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by MaliciousMetal

Can we get a direct or indirect Morde nerf already?

Our Morde mains discord is living in constant paranoia.

maybe

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by Narutar

shaco nerfs seen kinds kinda random. if its aimed at support shaco then I supposed riot is reneging on their "champs should be able to flex in multiple roles" ideology

it's aimed at AD/AP jungle and AP support. they are all like, 53-54% winrate for various player groups

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Clarifying ocean nerf. The regen period was also extended from X over 3s >>> X over 4s

Ocean soul's impact on a team's winrate in an even game was actually around twice as much as baron or cloud soul, so we are nerfing it harder than the other souls

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by ttrixy

Shaco main here. Thank you for lowering his banrate, you have my gratitude; Shaco WR went up by 1% with the preseason patch (ugg source).

I'll be glad to be able to play him at last. (Although AP Shaco is much better than AD Shaco, AD is taking a bigger hit, that's my only issue unless the numbers actually show otherwise).

Agree AP is better right now, but Lethality is getting a small buff which should help AD build (and if we only nerfed by 5% AD ratio, that would be quite a meme nerf).

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Hey Captain, can you share the team's thinking on Conqueror post nerfs

MAYBE

edit: looks good to me. it's no longer stand out best keystone on Azir/Ryze/Cass/Aurelion Sol, and it's winrate isn't particularly high on core users (avg winrate across all champs is actually 50.0% exactly over all games so far on 9.24 (literally millions of games))

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by 647boom

Could you elaborate on why you guys are backpedaling on the Elder buff duration? It made more sense to me being the same duration as Baron buff.

We wanted to simplify it if we could, which is why we equalized durations.

But:

  • Baron is a siege buff while elder is a fighting buff.
  • As a fighting buff, it simply takes less time for teams with Elder to force a fight since they have a large advantage vs waiting for minions to siege a lane
  • Even more so, because of this these two buffs play out differently - Baron asks the defending team to take a proactive action and engage a fight (or the cannon minion will take their base), while Elder asks the defending team to avoid a fight and stall out the buff (or they will get rekt by elder advantage). Unsurprisingly then, it also makes sense that Baron buff is harder to wait out (lasts longer) than Elder.
  • Therefore, when Elder ended up significantly overpowered, we will sacrifice simplicity (same buff duration) for better gameplay
almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Thanks Captain, can you also uwu

nowu

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by war5188

How does shaco get a nerf over olaf karthus lee sin? I really just dont get it

Guess which ones are shaco and which ones are Olaf Karthus and Lee

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by tundranocaps

Any plans to do something about poor Urgot, the one ranged character who relied on it before the pre-season changes?

not at the moment but we've been talking about it. right now hes actually in a pretty good spot: 52% wr for AVG elos (90% of our players)

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by HardstuckPlasticV

Hey bro, do you know anything about the Azir/Corki stuff? IIRC the balance team is waiting to see how conqueror would affect their winrates before changing anything, so I was curious if a verdict has been reached for either of them.

we are considering buffs for both of them

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by bazopboomgumbochops

avg winrate across all champs is actually 50.0% exactly

Wait...how could it be anything else?

this is conqueror's winrate... not all winrates in league

almost 5 years ago - /u/Rovient - Direct link

Originally posted by bazopboomgumbochops

This is a basic statistical misunderstanding because a huge part of that winrate is correlation.

Same reason Rabadon's deathcap has a high winrate. Not because it's broken, but because you buy it when you're already snowballing. In other words, it gets correlated with winning teams.

So it is with drakes. The team that was better/played better/was winning anyway would pick up the drakes along the way, so of course drakes would have a high winrate.

Here's an example. It's probable that firstblood has a surprisingly high correlation with winrate. But that doesn't imply first blood's reward is too strong. It implies that the better player, who is going to win lane, is likely to be the one to have gotten first blood anyway.

Who are you and why are you bringing LOGIC here?! I feel uncomfortable...

(I kid! I kid! I love coming to this subreddit. You're all an amazing, passionate community and I wouldn't swap you for anything. This post is excellent, though. They're totally right.)

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by Ryuumoku

Seeing Wukong is in an eternal work in progress (on the rework), cant the balance team do something about it ??

we can nerf him pretty hard, thats about it. since hes got wip work, we don't want to do major mechanics changes on top of that, and hes 54-55% winrate in midlane (with an equivalent playrate there to top lane) which prevents us from buffing him anywhere else

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by Raffyk99

U.gg has him at 50. He had a normal win-rate before the conqueror change. Why does he and only him of the juggernauts deserve to eat a conqueror nerf, while Mordekaiser has a 55+% win rate, for example? Makes no sense to me.

morde is 53% winrate (scaling down to 50% winrate at high elo)

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by pureply101

Just wanted to say hi and hope your day went well.

hi thanks. it's been busy because upcoming holidays. speaking of which, happy holidays if you celebrate them!

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by Emotional_platypus

Hi thanks for being so interactive with community. I was wondering what thoughts are on irelia right now. Most of ireliamains seems to think she’s still much stronger in the mid lane than top lane. Is moving her to top primarily still a goal?

believe we still generally want her to be a top laner (even though she has pretty much always been better mid). don't think we'll push hard on it since any work on her is heavily restricted by her traditionally high presence in pro and high elo

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by HYBRIDHAWK6

I know I'm spinning into another topic but does Riot have any good metrics on Jayce?

Lolaytics shows he is sat on a 46% winrate with a whopping 50% winrate as a otp.

I honestly thought preseason would buff him but it seems to have done the opposite?

Is any work planned for him?

Also if you want a laugh look at the Jayce mains sub reddit!

yeah we are looking at buffing him

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by xGreedy95

Why is aphelios getting hotfix nerfed already? From winrates he doesnt look overpowered yet

hes at the max predicted reasonable winrate on this day based on our release estimates, and his ban rate is extremely high. We expect him to continue to climb in winrate and banrate, so he'd be literally unplayable (banned) soon unless we act.

almost 5 years ago - /u/Rovient - Direct link

Originally posted by Ehac

is it not possible to still get good data, if you look at games that were even after the drake was taken and thus have an estimate of gameimpact? With the amount of games that happen you should still get enough data

Kiiind of! We are lucky that we have loads of data coming in (worked on some video games where you have to form plans from 100's of games, not 100,000's), but separating causality from correlation is really tricky.

If a team has a 70% WR after taking 3 dragons, is that the power of dragons, or were they able to freely take 3 dragons because they were really strong and in a position to just take them?

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by Lewanor

Any way you can share how some of the ad assassins were doing that lead up to the dirk buff Cap?

laning ad assassins are down across the board -.5 to -1%.

almost 5 years ago - /u/GreaterBelugaWhale - Direct link

Originally posted by IcePokeTwoSoon

Sorry to be in the train of bothersome individuals, but any idea if and when the ekko nerfs will occur? As a main his current high pick and ban rate is frustrating to work around, but i know he feels a little overpowered currently; is reverting the pre-worlds cd reductions on the table?

hes within reasonable bounds atm, so unlikely. we try not to nerf champs just because they are popular if we think they are popular because they are fun (vs popular because they are just OP).

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