[2023] What happened with Riot's statement from 2 years ago?: "Attack Speed = satisfaction for ADCs, so we're putting it everywhere in their builds"

Originally posted by space_acee

Phreak I’m a high gold / low plat player who plays crit adcs.

Right now the consensus seems to be building stormrazer first in pretty much all scenarios due to the high AD it gives while still providing some AS.

Maybe I’m just bad at the game but I feel more limited and pretty unsatisfied with my early build paths. It feels like there isn’t a great choice for first item aside from SR but it also doesn’t feel like it synergizes with the rest of the crit build without other energized items.

Basically I just feel like itemizing right now is less intuitive and more restrictive then before. I know you’ve said you wanted to nerf adcs but was this the intent?

Once again I know I’m low elo. If you could shed some light on how crit adcs should be looking to itemize early now I’d appreciate it :)

Originally posted by Apollosyk

can i ask what is ur diretion for kalista? giving her the ap ratios for rageblade but then these changes on pbe suggest u want her as a crit marksman. just feels weird

Originally posted by Apollosyk

thnx for the insight! idk if its going to be broken or not but as a kalista player a nice quality of life change i would like to see was an indicator for when E kills. losing the fight cuz i miscalculated my damage so it then goes on cooldown feels quite bad. i dont think its going to be too big of a buff but im interested in ur opinion reggarding this change

Originally posted by Vertrixz

The only thing I can really add is that energise might be strong, but it doesn't feel good (for me at least). ADC is fun when I'm autoing a lot, and having just one auto with a big effect and then having to build it up again doesn't feel satisfying.

Could be different for others, but that's how it's felt for me. As a Kaisa player, the new on hit items are super fun and I like noonquiver pickaxe pickaxe for q evolve into kraken then either guinsoos or bork. I know loads of people go SR first but I don't like the style of the item so I don't build it. I do better with full on hit anyway.

Idk I think my point got muddled in the midst of that but I basically like the item changes but they could maybe use some satisfaction tuning or something like that. This is absolutely a huge step in the right direction though, making on hit its own viable thing with items supporting that identity directly. I have no idea how you'd find a way to make energise satisfying though.

Originally posted by Tzeenht

Are crit adcs supposed to get their mythic as third item? Since if u go IE first or second u attack once every 2 sec? I dont find it very fun personally

Originally posted by Apollosyk

Yone E does show when it kills but i see ur point

Originally posted by Apollosyk

It just feels really punishing for the kalista player if the E damage is miscalculated by lets say even a single auto due to its long cooldown

Originally posted by hakuryou

Have you considered a solution where buying a crit mythic converts a portion of AS to crit chance? Or a mythic passive that grants crit? Or maybe make the crit part an adaptive stat? I'm a fan of buying some of these items on non crit champions but the only way you can make the crit part not a waste of gold is through guinsoo which limits the amount of build choices (e.g. shiv on riftmaker Kayle, etc).

Originally posted by seasonedturkey

I do think an execute indicator on Rend would help in lowering Kalista's absurd skill floor.

Anecdotally speaking she feels like the bot later with the greatest gap between skill ceiling and floor. Maybe an execute indicator could make her more balanceable in the long run.

Originally posted by wildfox9t

also a lot of ADCs weren't going to kite at full attack speed,it's mechanically very hard to do at high numbers so they would "lose" atk speed

i think it's partially a matter of habit,changing the timing on kiting can make it feel clunky at first before you get used to it,but it also makes the role more accessible to players new to it i guess