[OFFICIAL] First Stand news

Originally posted by Giobru

The HUD feels like change for the sake of change. No new info over the current HUDs, but everything is jumbled around and it looks (subjectively) uglier. Maybe it makes more sense to group stuff up like that, but hopefully they refine it a lot and make it look better than that.

An emote and a couple of Capsules is a joke but I don't think anyone was expecting anything else. None of Riot's twelve global partners (including Red Bull, Oppo, Mercedes-Benz and sportswashing front EWC) could possibly afford to give viewers, say, one pull on the gacha. Or, you know, a H*xtech Chest

Originally posted by Sockmonkey2878

Man apparently I am minority but I really like the new HUD!

Originally posted by MuffinLoL

what in the ever living f**k is that UI

Originally posted by FelysFrost

That HUD is horrific, it's so 2018 mobile gaming

Originally posted by Vonspacker

New HUD has potential but it's hard to judge from those screenshots.

I'm not a fan of rotating details because it can be annoying to not have access to information when you want to see it when watching

Also really wish they had used a more realistic game example because it looks ugly when everyone has heal and 8000 health pots but might look better when it's a real game.

Based on that image it seems like the race to dragon soul is measured inwards to outwards which surely would be better outwards to inwards so both teams get 'closer' to the soul in the centre?

I dislike that they haven't included role Vs role gold difference - this feature in the LEC has been really good at visualising where the gold on a team is stacked and who to look out for in fights.

Would need to see it in action and get used to where new info is kept but it looks ok as a rough draft

Originally posted by Darki200

I'm on board with that new HUD. Timer consolidation, stacks tracking, active buff tracker and the vertical HUD during teamfight are all good additions.

I'm not sure what's the point of the Kill Feed if observers don't f**k up though, we're usually constantly aware of all kills going on during a game by watching them directly. Also the big HP bars in vertical mode seem pointless

Team kills, total gold and time passed feel too small and hidden for what is supposed to be an immediate indicator of a game's progress.

Overall most decisions make sense, but the graphic design of it all could have been more distinctive, I agree it gives generic mobile game vibes

Originally posted by Flying_Dutch_Man97

Would have to see it live to judge properly, but three things that I would like to see improved:

• Each champion's XP should be visible at all times. Especially in early game it can be important to see if they're about to level for example.
• In the bottom head-to-head, it's vital that champion gold delta is displayed in the head-to-head. Health bars and summoner icons can also be made smaller I think, and not necessary to show the KDA & CS during the fights, I think.
• In fights and skirmishes, the UI elements seem quite large. Not entirely sure whether item information is really needed in the heat of the fight, pretty sure they don't show that information in the UIs of at least some leagues.

Originally posted by pda898

First of all, is there a reason to change baseline UI from the all leagues? I would understand if new season would have it everywhere, but heavily changing base of UI... also while going against baseline game UI with vertical vs horizontal... I am not so sure it is a good thing.

Plus there is no really new info, but some very important is missing - xp/gold difference, False Life, petals...

Originally posted by mohrzy11

Hi Klause, I noticed you have been collecting some feedback in this thread and thought I could reply here just with some thoughts.

1. I'm not sure if I am missing it, but has the team decided to forgo showing keystone runes or is that part of rotating info? I think its really cool to be able to open the game and see if champs took grasp or conq or fleet for example

2. I find the health bars in the lower 3rd HUD can appear kinda large, I'm not sure if that is the most important data to have my eyes drawn to when check game state as a fan but I find it takes up the most important space on the bottom HUD (just offset from the centre)

3. I will say the longer I look at the HUD, the more I enjoy it beyond my initial kneejerk dislike and I think it has a lot of potential depending on how the observer and production team are able to use it during a game. Do casters have to wait for items to rotate back into focus midfight to confirm cooldowns?

Originally posted by Vonspacker

From my perspective if you're trying to emphasise the race you should have outward to inward so that both move closer to the soul instead of further away then jumping back to the centre. I'm curious what the rationale was for going inwards out here?

Glad to hear individual gold differences will be included, as its absence is truly one of my main frustrations when watching any league other than LEC

Originally posted by SpiderTechnitian

Pros:

• the stacks showing on portrait is GREAT
• I like the way you show dragons stacking outwards from inwards, I see you've commented about it already and this is the neater way so there's not an awkward about of dead space between all the dragons taken between the teams as one team has 3 and one has 1 and it's a weird dead area. This way is clearner!

Misses:

• need to show gold for sure, as you know
• champion experience is a GREAT addition that some leagues use, can tell at a glance the experience gap or when spikes are about to hit in lanes (can put as a short purple bar just under the portrait, doesn't need to be huge like other visuals)
• keystones are pretty crucial as well, and some leagues even show the keystone cooldown which can work really well just by greying out the box with the traditional league cooldown animation on it with the clock winding up for its cd
• I don't like that the ultimate box looks like the summoner spell boxes exactly. Ults are not summoners and play quite differently, making them feel the same at a glance almost seems more confusing to newer players
• this graphic doesn't show any bounties, need to consider how those fit if you haven't already

The best part about this change is that you're extremely receptive to feedback in these comments! Thanks for your hard work and community communication

Originally posted by itrTie

The killfeed and objective timers are a miss imo, I like the teams/kills/towers/gd bit on the top left.

I'd switch the killfeed to a flat version of the one in game and the objective timers to being square again. I'd like if health/mana was just green and blue/yellow irrespective of team colors and was smaller (maybe under the portraits or just removed all together). I also would rather see summ spells/ult and items the same size as opposed to items smaller.

Edit: Also, XP needs to be shown.

Edit edit: Names should also be aligned to the portrait. Right justified for blue side, left justified for red.

Originally posted by itrTie

Just visual design.

Also, one gripe I had with the Atakhan timer is that it was always on the left side of the hud even if it was spawning bot. Maybe a little dot on the top left or bottom right of the icon could show where it's spawning?

Originally posted by lolKhamul

Can i ask why you decided against doing gold difference per role? Its is honestly the best thing added to HUDs in past years and cant stand to watch games without it.

Having the info where the gold differences are adds A LOT of context to a match.

Originally posted by SpiderTechnitian

That's how some regions and international events have done it, it's just that often it gets missed when there's early action or a delay into game (tech issue potentially including a pause etc.)

It's missed often enough or shown for such a brief time that people don't take in new keystones, announcers even miss new tech sometimes because not even they can see it quickly enough. They'll catch Keria hail of blades ashe when he first pulled that out, but nobody sees that it's grasp azir or whatever after his on-hit changes for chovy's first games and stuff like that

Especially with a fearless meta where lots of things are shaken up and team comps will be wacky with lots of discussion, a 5-10 second full rune pop-up display will likely not be sufficient because there will be too much going on from draft and with spawn in cinematics with the weird comps. I don't want to say it's worthless but really it might as well not exist because you can tell already it just won't be discussed (though at least it's there for someone who wants to go back in the youtube VOD and check, or for posterity, assuming it's not missed entirely in the early game)

And again keystone cooldowns are neat too, but that may look too ugly or information-dense for this new style

Thanks again for soliciting feedback, hope this point of view helps !

Originally posted by gksxj

just a question, is this Esports only or it's meant to replace the current in-game spectator too?

Originally posted by Marcoscb

Gold difference isn't gone, it just isn't captured in these stills - still a feature, and will be visible in the lower 3rd!

Does "isn't captured in these stills" mean that it will be rotating info? If so, I'd strongly urge you to reconsider that. I'd say it's more important to analyze the state of the game than overall gold diff.

Originally posted by OGTypohh

They're running out of objectives to display. Quick, add more!!

Originally posted by [deleted]

LEC #4 with a casual 298k gold lead over LCK #2. Kinda weird they'd spoil worlds like that but whatever

Originally posted by ItsKipz

Just want to say I really like the HUD, hoping it eventually gets adopted outside of just first stand.

As an aside, is the image being used in the background a real screenshot from a pro match? I've been trying to figure out what game it could be for a few hours to no avail...

Originally posted by cadaada

I just want to thank you that dead champions are greyed out, we had some HUDs who would barely grey them out and i could not see for my life which champions were dead oof.

Is the visibility good on 480/720p too?

Originally posted by Chenz

Got real nervous there when lane gold diff wasn’t in the screenshots, that and objective timers are the most important things of the HUD to me. Looking forward to see it in action soon!

Edit: I hope it’s visible most of the time, if you have to continuously scan the interface to not miss when the important stats are visible I know I personally lose out on a lot of details of the gameplay

Originally posted by Chenz

Got real nervous there when lane gold diff wasn’t in the screenshots, that and objective timers are the most important things of the HUD to me. Looking forward to see it in action soon!

Edit: I hope it’s visible most of the time, if you have to continuously scan the interface to not miss when the important stats are visible I know I personally lose out on a lot of details of the gameplay

Originally posted by TheEternalCowboy

I haven't been able to figure out if there is anyway to tell which team won the feats of strength in the current HUD. Is there an indicator for the feats of strength winner in the new HUD?

Originally posted by LeapYearCake

Overall I like the new design. Not expecting anyone at all to agree with the following, but my own thoughts:

• Vertical scoreboard is nice

• I don't mind the rotating widgets as long as the rotation time makes sense. Certainly don't change every second, but don't leave it for 10 seconds, either. Guess it depends on how many rotations there are because if someone wants to see what's on rotation #1 but they just missed it, it would suck to have to wait around for rotation #2 and rotation #3 and rotation #4, by which time they might miss #1 again. And the animation should be more on the subtle side so it's not drawing my eyes away every single time it changes to something else

• Don't mind too much either way about inside-out or outside-in for dragon stacking, but if you want to emphasize the "race to soul" then it makes sense to have outside-in. If you want it to resemble in-game, then maybe it should be changed in-game, too

• Hard to tell if a team has objective bounties. In the first screenshot, there's a 600g icon below the Baron timer, but is it an objective bounty for a specific team? If blue team is getting bounties, why is there no bounty under the dragon timer? I like in the LCK overlay there is a glow around the turret icon in the scoreboard to indicate bounties, so maybe a glow around the bubble or something

• Head-to-head needs to have gold differences visible all the time. Would be nice to see gold on hand as well

• Personally don't like the hp/resource info, but I understand it being there. Maybe instead of bars that no one can count (for hp, especially for tanks), have their actual health displayed like "1952 / 2740" or "73%" or whatever. I feel like XP is more important to see than resources, so if XP can't be squeezed in somewhere, replace resource bar with XP instead

• I've always disliked having the ult/summoner cooldown timers be the filling clock style because it's hard to tell if a spell is actually available or is a few seconds away. Having a timer would be nice but would probably be bad for clarity, so maybe have a gold border or something around the icon to indicate that the spell is actually ready would be nice

• I like having death timers over the portrait, especially in the head-to-head display. Currently in some regions it can be hard to tell if a champion is dead by looking at it (LEC, LPL, LTA). LCK has a nice red background to highlight a champion is dead, but the red text timer is illegible

• Can't tell from the screenshots, but it would be nice to see available charges for an item (wards, etc) or smite from the scoreboard

• Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't have an opinion on player cam size/location. I don't care too much about them because they're not very helpful most of the time anyway, and during team fights you can't see them either. Plus, I think player cams are a few seconds behind gameplay

• I like the LCK's way of highlighting champion portraits in purple for Baron buffs, but that's the only time I see it. Not for Atakhan or anything else, and no other region. At first I didn't even see it in the screenshot provided, but now I see the white outline. I don't know if that indicates Elder or something else, and maybe I'll learn after seeing it live for the first time, but otherwise it should be color coded. Unsure of what to do if a team has multiple buffs, though (top half purple, bottom half white/whatever for elder?)

• Is there something that's supposed to be displayed next to health bars when in vertical mode? From the screenshot, there's a big gap because of item slots 5+6, so I wonder if something is supposed to be displayed there or if it can be better optimized. And again, don't care for lines in health bars, would rather see numbers, but in vertical mode I guess it doesn't matter too much since that would indicate there's a teamfight going on

• Definitely in the minority, but I don't care about runes. I'm fine with them being rotated or whatever else

• Someone else mentioned not needing to see KDA/cs in vertical mode for fights and I agree

• For an Atakhan tracker, knowing which side and/or which form would be nice, but maybe a little difficult? One suggestion is to have the timer flipped based on the side he spawns. For example, looking at the icon for dragon, there's the icon for ocean on the left side and the time to the right of the icon. If Atakhan is spawning bot side, have the timer on the left side of the icon (which would then call for having the dragon icon to be on the right side as well, since dragon spawns bottom), and a slightly different icon for Ruinous vs Voracious. This way the timers are all still in the top right corner of the screen. Probably a silly idea, but just spitballing