[2023] Lost Ark Academy Debate Club: Max Out to Impress

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6s	Coming to you from the Amazon Games Community team, it's the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club!
12s	With your host, straight out of the rocks box, it's Roxx!
14s	Welcome to the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club.
23s	This is where our creators turn into debaters and argue to prove they have what it takes not to be a Mokoko.
29s	I'm Roxx and I'm just here to make sure Bobajenny survives the episode.
33s	Right, Mokoko?
33s	She's a liver.
36s	That she is.
37s	All right, let's get things started by bringing out our first contestant.
40s	Here's DatModz. All right, let's get things started by bringing out our first contestant.
40s	Here's DatModz.
46s	Next up, we have Stoopzz.
50s	Vote for me.
53s	Next up, we have Grenton.
58s	And finally... And finally, Bobajenny.
66s	All right.
67s	Now that you're all here, let's get started with our two versus two warm up debate.
71s	You know all the rules.
72s	There are no rules. Grenton and Bobajenny versus Stoopzz and Datmodz.
76s	Today, your topic is: excluding gear, what is the most impressive thing you can max out in Lost Ark?
83s	I want you both to kind of pick your topic before I give you time to strategize.
87s	This one requires a bit of thinking.
91s	Alright, Stoopz and DatModz - I feel like you should have a topic by now with whatever it is you're doing.
97s	We're thinking hard.
98s	I think we're ready. We're ready.
99s	Do you know what topic?
100s	I'll let you say it, big man. How about we say it together?
105s	You gonna hold hands?
106s	Yeah, they are.
107s	Horizontal Ignea tokens.
111s	Messy but I'll allow it.
113s	Good job, Stoopzz.
113s	Minimal effort there.
114s	We love it.
115s	All right.
116s	Ignea tokens.
117s	Bobajenny and Grenton, do you have a topic?
118s	Yes, we got Kazeros Legion Commander card set.
121s	Okay.
121s	Interesting.
122s	All right.
123s	It looks like we've got our topics picked out.
124s	I'll give you all a minute to strategize a little further.
137s	So today we have a very special content creator here as a guest coming in all the way from up north.
143s	She is - AHH!
149s	You okay?
149s	You like lose an arwm there?
151s	No, I'm good.
152s	This is Bojojen. Why don't you tell everyone a little bit about yourself?
155s	Hello everybody.
155s	My name is Bojojen.
157s	I play Lost Ark.
158s	I'm a Shadow Hunter main, My character is at 1550.
162s	All right, All right.
163s	So what has your experience with playing and creating content for Lost Ark been like?
167s	It's been really positive, actually.
170s	I'm the floor POV princess, so a lot of my community just carries me through raids.
175s	Is that why you kind of came crashing down onto my floor?
178s	Pretty much.
179s	Yeah.
179s	So.
180s	So let me get this right.
181s	Let me let me backtrack for a minute.
182s	You made it all the way to 1550, floor POV being carried.
187s	Yes, that's correct.
188s	You have like, regulars who carry you?
191s	Yeah, actually, I have a static for my raid group.
194s	Okay. Yeah, actually, I have a static for my raid group.
194s	Okay.
195s	Do you consider them to be bus drivers at all?
197s	Ah, yeah, all of them.
199s	They're all your bus...
200s	You have seven?
201s	I don't think I've ever met anyone that uses seven bus drivers and they're just, like, committed to you?
206s	Yeah, pretty much.
207s	That's pretty impressive. Do you ever - do you pay your bus drivers?
209s	Do you tip them?
210s	I pay them in exposure.
212s	Okay.
213s	Yeah.
213s	That, that, that puts food on the table.
215s	I'm sure they, they love and appreciate that.
219s	Wow.
220s	I was going to ask you what your favorite raid was, but I'm not sure you would know.
226s	Clown gate two is probably my favorite raid.
228s	Because you're a clown.
230s	Yeah, pretty much.
231s	My character's name is Bozojen, so.
233s	Oh, very relevant.
235s	I'm getting a really good picture of you.
237s	It's all coming together.
238s	I think I understand you a lot better now.
242s	Well, thank you so much for coming in today.
244s	Unfortunately, we don't have anyone to carry you off the set, so you're going to need to figure out how to do that yourself.
249s	Do you think you can manage?
250s	Yes, I can.
251s	You sure?
253s	One, two, three.
256s	That only time she'll ever be on the MVP screen was with that drop off.
259s	Thank you for joining us.
260s	And let's get back to the debate.
265s	Sounds like everyone is just about ready.
271s	All right.
271s	I feel ready.
272s	So let's go ahead and get this warm-up started.
276s	Okay.
276s	Listen up here. Ig-naya tokens are...
278s	"Ig-naya?" Strong start.
282s	Is it not Ignea?
284s	He said "Ig-naya." Yeah, yeah.
286s	Listen up.
288s	Ignea tokens are a sign of hard work, dedication, okay?
292s	Don't make that face.
293s	Yours is just luck.
294s	... and a commitment to completionist content.
296s	No one finds something....
297s	You said...
298s	Hey bozo, I haven't even... indecipherable Shut up!
303s	Your partner went!
304s	What are you going to do? You run around a f$@%ing zone and just pick flowers and gather stuff?
310s	Ours require you to actually go do a raid.
313s	You can just take the bus, and all of this is RNG. Okay, Let me just...
317s	Can I say something? I didn't even say anything mean. You're yelling at me.
319s	Yeah, you're right.
320s	Okay.
321s	I apologize for pulling for you earlier. Okay?
323s	Apology accepted.
324s	All right, Yours is luck.
326s	The question was, what's the most impressive thing to max out in Lost Ark excluding gear?
332s	Yours is just luck. That's not impressive.
333s	One-tapping to 25 is not impressive.
335s	It's lucky.
336s	Hard work and dedication is what pays off.
338s	And that's if it's impressive.
340s	It's no luck.
340s	It either hits you or it doesn't.
341s	No.
341s	Well, people are gonna look at your Ignea tokens - Don't ask her.
348s	indecipherable I literally don't care.
350s	indecipherable What do they think?
354s	Wow, that guy's a no-life.
356s	lol completely indecipherable A full card set of, example, LOS 30 - It's, "Wow, okay.
373s	This guy's got LOS 30".
375s	"He spent a lot of money!" When you see someone with them out, it's like, "Okay, cool.
380s	This guy never leaves his house." Exactly.
383s	It's impressive!
384s	How is it impressive?
387s	Winning the lotto is lucky.
389s	It's not, "Wow, that's impressive, man.
390s	You won the lotto!".
391s	That is impressive.
394s	Come on, now.
395s	We won that one, right?
396s	Nobody wins the warm-up debates.
399s	We're just yelling at each other at this point.
399s	I can't get her to clarify the question, man.
403s	She doesn't like you.
405s	It was impressive.
406s	It was impressive.
408s	I'm not impressed by any of you so that's going to do it for our warm-up debate. All right. We're going to take a quick commercial break.
414s	And when we get back, we'll get into our 1v1.
423s	Thank you so much for that 9-7 rock, by the way.
426s	And the 100 quality of weapon.
427s	Yeah, it's no problem. It's super easy for me to give those out.
429s	I can't believe you put that in the roadmap so soon.
431s	Yeah, I was so happy to share that with you guys.
433s	I'm so glad the three of you are here.
434s	Honestly.
436s	Guys, I think this thing's f&*#ing rigged.
438s	Roxx hates me.
439s	They all went to dinner last night.
440s	I wasn't even invited.
442s	She never votes for me.
443s	I'm pretty sure it's cause we did that stupid podcast together, and I gave her all these hard questions.
447s	I need you guys.
449s	Please vote for me in the live finale, please.
456s	Beauty.
459s	Majesty.
461s	Demonic sorcery. One night at the Phantom Palace is a night you'll never forget.
471s	Astalgia Phantasm.
473s	Playing for three nights only.
477s	Or until more Lord Kazeros destroys the world.
484s	All right.
484s	Welcome back.
485s	It's time for our one versus one debate.
487s	Time to get serious with our rematch between Bobajenny and Grenton.
491s	All right.
492s	Today, your topic is a spicy one.
494s	Should content be changed for new or returning players?
500s	Grenton, I'm going to make you the bad guy here.
502s	You're going with no.
503s	Bobajenny, sweet angel, going with yes.
505s	I'll give you all a minute to strategize.
507s	"Sweet angel." Okay.
509s	She's cute.
512s	I was going to talk to you guys, but.
514s	Oh.
515s	Like.
516s	Okay, dogged out.
517s	Sorry about that.
518s	How do you, I mean, I feel like I gave Grenton a hard choice.
521s	This is probably one of the toughest topics that's going to be discussed on this entire Debate Club.
527s	I think it's going to be interesting how they approach it.
530s	I don't think it's that tough. I feel like it's like the same thing - you know the saying, I had to walk to school uphill twice.
536s	Okay boomer, calm down.
537s	I'm just saying.
540s	I feel like for a new player experience, you know, you should you should introduce them and start them out with having fun right, not out the gate having a punishing experience.
549s	Yeah, but Grenton has to say otherwise.
550s	So are you all looking ready?
553s	See what you have to say.
555s	All right.
556s	We'll go from there.
557s	All right.
557s	Well, Bobajenny, I'm going to give you the first round.
561s	Your one minute to make a debate starts now.
564s	All right.
565s	So I'm sure you guys have heard your parents say that they have to climb mountains, fight sharks to just get to school in time.
571s	Well, that's how I feel about this game.
573s	You know, new players are never going to get the same kind of excitement that we got waiting in queue listening to seagulls.
579s	So why not cut them some slack?
581s	You know, they just want to catch up.
583s	There's so many people popping up in my chat and they're like, Oh, I really want to get into Lost Ark, but I've heard that it's so hard to catch up with the very current content that we have.
592s	So in general, I feel like this game should be more evolutionary rather than stagnant.
598s	Just because we had a tougher time.
600s	We did have the adrenaline of a new game though.
603s	So, you know, I really welcome new players to Lost Ark, and I think they should have a fair chance of getting to where we are just a bit faster.
611s	Let's not be salty.
613s	Let's not be salty.
614s	All right, Grenton, you have one minute to make your starting debate now.
619s	Listen, the raids are only going to get harder from this point on, right?
624s	We have the Theamine that's supposed to be as hard as Brel.
628s	And if we just dumbed down the mechanics in the earlier raids to let these new players just come through and blow through the raids, guess what?
635s	We're going to have jail parties.
637s	We're going to have hours and hours of wiping because they're just going to hit a wall of difficulty.
641s	They're not going to get eased into difficulty.
643s	Do I think that Argos should be as difficult as it was when it came out?
647s	Absolutely not.
648s	But when it comes to Legion Raids, I like to keep that difficulty because I feel like Lost Ark kind of had a really good progression of Valtan is, you know, semi-challenging, Vykas got a little bit harder, Clown was introducing new mechanics, and when you got to Brel you felt a little bit more equipped.
662s	So if you kind of dumbed down those punishing mechanics, well then those players are going to hit a wall and they're going to get discouraged.
667s	They're gonna be like, I can't play with my friends because I'm not good enough. So if you kind of dumbed down those punishing mechanics, well then those players are going to hit a wall and they're going to get discouraged.
667s	They're gonna be like, I can't play with my friends because I'm not good enough.
670s	And like you said, your child wants to play with you. They've got to be good enough to play with you.
675s	All right.
676s	Bobajenny, you have one minute to argue against what Grenton just said.
680s	So I get what you mean, but I don't necessarily mean that we have to make the raid seem like absolutely nothing.
686s	Of course, they have to work their way up from Argos of Valtan, Vykas, etc.
689s	all the way to Brel.
692s	I mean, I feel like Lost Ark players aren't completely new gamers.
696s	They probably come from other games.
698s	Obviously, they are all gamers, so I don't think it would take them that long to catch up to where we are.
705s	And for example, some of my friends that just started, they want to raid with us too.
708s	They just they just need a guiding hand and that's what we can offer to them. And for example, some of my friends that just started, they want to raid with us too.
709s	They just they just need a guiding hand and that's what we can offer to them.
713s	Grenton, you have one minute to make your final argument.
716s	Listen.
718s	You said that, you know, the gamers that are coming here are not new gamers.
722s	Lost Ark is a very unique animal.
725s	Right.
725s	It's not the regular over-the-shoulder third person.
728s	Not first person.
729s	It's a top down MMO that has very unique raid mechanics.
734s	I've played a lot of MMOs.
736s	I'm a - as you called me - old, I'm a five-head, so I know a thing or two about difficult mechanics.
743s	Lost Ark's raid - I feel like are perfectly fine as they are because as I mentioned, it's a stepping stone.
748s	You're not going to be hit with meteors in Brel Gate Six right out the gate starting the game.
752s	You get to do Argos, you get to do Valtan.
755s	And with the changes that we saw with Smilegate, with the Legion raids, I think that you don't need to change anything else.
762s	Everything's good now.
763s	New players are going be able to breeze right through it, so making it any easier is just going to punish the loyal player base when they have to have these Mokokos in their group because they're not going to be ready for that difficulty.
773s	Time!
774s	All right.
775s	That is your time. I'm going to bring the spectators over so we can talk about your debate.
780s	Thank you for joining me.
781s	So we just watched a debate.
783s	How are you feeling after that?
785s	What do you think?
786s	Honestly, they both made very compelling arguments from Bobajenny.
789s	You want the new players to have a good experience.
791s	You don't want to discourage them from playing the game and you want them to get to the fun parts of the game.
795s	And some of the earlier stuff is over tuned.
797s	And just because you did it the hard way doesn't mean everyone else should.
802s	But then on the other side, in retrospect, you want to make sure new players are equipped to handle the new Legion Raids.
809s	And some of those earlier content, the mechanics that are taught in them, they're going to be applicable further on in the game.
814s	So you want to make sure they're introduced from them.
816s	They're not just going in blind and they just hit a wall and give up.
819s	Yeah, I agree with DatModz.
821s	I think Grenton has a lot of good points in that you don't want to take the challenge and the fun out of the raids, because it does prepare them for the later raids, But there are some frustrating mechanics in the earlier raids that I don't like in general personally.
832s	Right?
832s	So I think a lot of people would agree with that.
834s	And I understand Bobajenny and just wanting to get everyone kind of caught up because it's an MMORPG and it's definitely more fun when there's more players around, so yeah.
842s	Sounds like everybody made some good points.
844s	I think I have enough information to decide a winner, So thank you.
848s	Send you back to your rock and we'll declare our winner.
851s	Tell me the winner before they know.
854s	I can't do that.
856s	What are you doing?
857s	We haven't even announced the winner yet.
860s	We're just excited.
861s	You're just that excited?
862s	Pumped up. You're just that excited?
862s	Pumped up.
863s	All right, I guess it's time then.
865s	Freedom fingers.
866s	We're going...
868s	It looks like we're ready to announce the show's winner.
871s	It was a really solid debate.
873s	But Bobajenny.
876s	You are not a Mokoko.
878s	Let's go!
885s	The show is rigged.
890s	Has Bobajenny lost a single one?
892s	This is a really biased show.
893s	I'm telling you, the show is rigged.
898s	She got set up with some of the easier topics.
901s	I'd like to speak to my manager about this.
903s	You don't...
904s	Where's my legal team?
905s	All right, with that note, that is our episode of the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club.
910s	But remember, you don't need to speak to your manager because none of these debates actually matter.
915s	Sorry Bobajenny.
916s	None of this matters until our live series finale, where you, the community, will decide who is and who is not a Mokoko.
923s	Until then, we'll see you next week for our next episode.
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