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| 6s | Coming to you from the Amazon Games Community Team, it's the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club! |
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| 12s | With your host, straight out of the rocks box, it's Roxx! |
| 15s | Hello! *backwards incantation* Hello! |
| 26s | Welcome to the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club, where our players debate to prove they have what it takes not to be a Mokoko. |
| 33s | I'm Roxx and I'm here to make sure that all of the contestants are as noble as King Thirain. |
| 38s | I don't like Thirain. |
| 40s | I was rooting for his uncle. |
| 42s | We are going to have some words later. |
| 46s | But in the meantime, let's get our show started and bring out those contestants. |
| 50s | All right. |
| 50s | First up is Bobajenny. |
| 55s | Hi, guys. |
| 57s | Next up, we've got Grenton. |
| 62s | Okay. |
| 64s | Next up, we have Stoopzz. |
| 68s | Okay. There ain't no way, man! |
| 71s | That was definitely Stoopzz. |
| 73s | So I guess finally we have DatModz? |
| 77s | What's going on, boys? |
| 79s | Thanks for the five gifted. |
| 84s | This thing is huge. |
| 85s | It's absolutely massive. |
| 87s | Let's get started with our 2v2 warm-up debate. |
| 90s | Remember, this is the debate where you can say whatever you want, do whatever you want. |
| 94s | Switch characters, I guess. |
| 96s | Today's warm-up topic: What is the worst place in Arkasia to live? |
| 101s | Worst. |
| 102s | So I'll give you all a minute to think about that and we'll get things going. |
| 106s | Okay. |
| 107s | Shushire? What we got? |
| 109s | One possible place is Feiton. |
| 113s | So I bet everyone back at home watching is wondering what - damn it Chuck! |
| 117s | Sorry. |
| 117s | What the f@$%! |
| 118s | Okay, listen, you can't yell at Chuck like that. |
| 120s | You can't use profanity towards Chuck. |
| 122s | That's not appropriate. |
| 123s | I'm sorry. |
| 123s | I just - that light - it was really... |
| 126s | Chuck, what the f#$@? |
| 126s | Sorry about that! |
| 127s | You were just telling me not to yell at Chuck. |
| 129s | Why can you yell at Chuck? |
| 130s | Because I'm the Head of Community Video. |
| 132s | Okay. |
| 132s | And what does the Head of Community Video do? |
| 134s | Okay, well, first of all, hi, I'm Michael Lovan. |
| 137s | I'm the Head of Community Video for Amazon Games. |
| 140s | What Community Video is - and I'd really like to unpack this for our you know, our audience at home - is... |
| 146s | it's videos that are meant to have fun and meant to be honest and transparent wherever we can. |
| 152s | I like to use the tenets of humility and humor and honesty to create like a vibe for the community that we can have fun, we can try new things, we can experiment, and we can talk to the players like the players we are ourselves. |
| 168s | Yeah, I know, I know. |
| 170s | I'm sorry. |
| 170s | I'm sorry I got mad at Chuck. |
| 171s | Yeah, you're right. |
| 172s | That's really what we're here for, isn't it? |
| 174s | I'm not really. |
| 175s | So what we are here for, though, is to use this show as a platform to do the one thing I created the show for, which is to say:. |
| 183s | F$#$ Thirain, he's a horrible king! |
| 186s | And that's it. |
| 189s | What? |
| 189s | Yeah. |
| 190s | So King Thirain is, of course, as you know, emotionally manipulative, horrible, very narcissistic, very rude, arrogant, slimy, sleazy. |
| 202s | Emotionally insincere. |
| 202s | Michael what the f@%#. |
| 204s | Let's relax. |
| 207s | I'm pretty calm, but... |
| 208s | No, no, no. |
| 209s | No, no, no. |
| 212s | King Thirain is like the greatest king of Luterra. |
| 214s | Like he's the direct descendant of a Sidereal - Because I put him in his place. |
| 218s | You put him in, you put him in his place? |
| 220s | You know what I did? |
| 221s | You know what I did? |
| 221s | Having lifted him up when he was depressed, having spilt blood, a lot of blood to restore him to his throne, having gotten him back his castle reclaiming has throne for him, having done all that - I walk to him, I approach him in the halls of the very castle that he has back. |
| 241s | And you know what he tells me? |
| 242s | He says our rapport is neutral. Michael, he doesn't owe you anything just because you wanted to help him out. |
| 248s | 1 of 600, "Piece of s##% Thirain, that's me!" And you know what I do? |
| 253s | You know what I do? |
| 253s | I go around, I tell everyone, "He's a great king.". |
| 256s | Why do you know that? |
| 257s | Why do you don't If you don't believe in him? |
| 259s | Sounds like you're wasting your time. |
| 261s | I sing the Song of f$#@ing Valor to his face to make him feel better. |
| 263s | "Oh, yeah, I'm emotionally stable. |
| 266s | I am fit to be a king." We can't all be emotionally stable, Michael. |
| 269s | You know what? |
| 270s | I'm sorry. |
| 271s | He doesn't owe you anything because you were there for him. |
| 274s | But you know what he does anyway? |
| 275s | He gives you a stronghold. |
| 276s | He gives you a house. |
| 277s | You know, Michael, none of this is the point because Thirain is f$#@ing hot. |
| 284s | Thirain is hot, and you can't argue with that. |
| 287s | Thirain is a great king and he's hot. |
| 292s | Thank you, Chuck. |
| 293s | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 294s | Thank you I'm sorry. |
| 299s | I think that was our warm-up time. |
| 301s | Let's have that debate. |
| 303s | All depends. |
| 305s | Hurry up. |
| 306s | Second team is ready. |
| 308s | Ready? |
| 308s | Okay, perfect, perfect, perfect. |
| 310s | Everyone's ready. |
| 311s | I've already decided. |
| 312s | Let's kick things off. |
| 317s | Rowen. - Rowen?? |
| 317s | - Everyone's killing each other, and they're ready to stab you in the back. |
| 320s | Shout out to my homey Osphere. |
| 321s | Can't sleep at night. |
| 324s | Rowen's kind of nice, though. |
| 325s | Is it? |
| 327s | War torn area? |
| 329s | We haven't told them what we have yet. |
| 330s | Yeah. |
| 330s | You don't even know what we think about the worst place in the game. |
| 333s | You're going to pick Shushire. What? |
| 335s | You're gonna pick Shushire. |
| 336s | Yeah. |
| 338s | Punika. |
| 339s | - Punika?? |
| 339s | Yeah, because beaches are terrible. |
| 341s | No, the music's on loop. |
| 345s | *indecipherable yelling* You don't have to live in Nia's Village! |
| 348s | This is ridiculous, can I... |
| 350s | You don't have to live in Nia's Village. |
| 352s | This isn't the structured debate! |
| 356s | The music is on loop over and over again. |
| 358s | And they say one liners over and over. |
| 360s | "Mom, can I play in the water?" "Enjoy the festival!" "Lailai!" This is the most first world problem ever. |
| 369s | Too much music, too much beaches. |
| 369s | Every single player that plays Lost Ark today knows that they want to get out of Punika and they want to go to Elgacia. |
| 374s | Like, if you had to live... |
| 376s | That's why I don't want to be there, it'd be terrible! |
| 377s | You don't have to live in Nia's Village, you can live elsewhere in Punika. |
| 382s | If there is a little war going on in the village, you can get away from it. |
| 385s | You can't move away from the Punika music. |
| 386s | You can in Rowen! What do you mean?? |
| 392s | When I log into the game, Punika is the place that everyone hangs out. |
| 395s | I live in Punika! |
| 398s | That just proves my point! |
| 399s | I love being in Punika! |
| 400s | No one likes being there. |
| 401s | You're forced to be there! |
| 401s | Why are all the players there? |
| 402s | Because you're forced to be there! |
| 409s | That's where the Powerpass takes you! |
| 410s | By default, you're just put there. |
| 412s | I just used my new Powerpass, I'm forced to be there. |
| 414s | You would rather maybe die every night? |
| 415s | The lines are terrible. |
| 416s | I don't want to be there. |
| 417s | It's awful. |
| 417s | It's the worst. |
| 418s | All the lines are one liners that spam you when you walk. |
| 422s | I'm sure if you like, lived there in a real setting, people would not be... |
| 427s | You're telling me you would rather live in a place that's war-torn, like a civil war? |
| 431s | You're a PVPer man, we were just talking about... |
| 433s | Yeah, but I'd rather chill on the beach. |
| 437s | I'm from Canada, man. |
| 438s | We don't got good beaches. |
| 439s | I'd rather chill on the beach. |
| 440s | Same, exactly. |
| 442s | Yeah, but you have to remember - they don't have suntan lotion. |
| 446s | I'm Greek. |
| 447s | I don't burn. |
| 447s | Yeah, so you could just turn a lobster in Punika all the time. |
| 450s | She might, but I won't. |
| 451s | I'll just under an umbrella or something. |
| 454s | There you go. Yeah, she has her little umbrella. |
| 456s | You can't stand under an umbrella forever. |
| 458s | You can. |
| 458s | If I have to, I will. |
| 461s | How do you think Aeromancer survives? |
| 463s | Maybe Shushire. |
| 464s | Maybe Shushire is worse. |
| 465s | Or Feiton. |
| 467s | They don't even know the're choosing! |
| 469s | Shushire is kind of cold and you just, like, end up in prison and yet, like, do stuff you don't want to you. |
| 473s | You literally said the most relaxing place is the worst. |
| 477s | Doesn't make sense. |
| 478s | It has terrible voice lines though. |
| 479s | Stoopz baited me into Punika! I said Shushire! |
| 482s | All right. |
| 483s | There you have it. |
| 483s | That was our warm-up devate. |
| 486s | We're going to cut to a quick commercial and then we'll get back to it for a 1v1. |
| 496s | Bye guys! |
| 496s | Roxx, I'll text you - next boba spot. |
| 499s | Yeah. Thank you so much for letting me in this rocks box, by the way. |
| 502s | Yeah. |
| 503s | Oh, yeah. |
| 504s | I am having a f%#@ing great time. |
| 507s | I mean, like, they upgraded my hotel room. |
| 510s | I'm making new friends. |
| 512s | The dinner last night was amazing. |
| 514s | And also, like, I don't know what it is, like... |
| 517s | I keep winning - this s$@%'s easy as f@$@. |
| 520s | So, yeah, you know what would be even better, though? |
| 523s | If you voted for me in the live finale of the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club. |
| 527s | Yeah. |
| 531s | Let's get started! Incredible! |
| 562s | Ever find yourself unable to complete Legion Raids? |
| 565s | You're always in jail. |
| 567s | Grenton's on the floor. |
| 568s | You look at Party Finder hopelessly looking for support. |
| 571s | Look no further - Professor Modz's Lost Ark Academy Night Class is now open where you can learn and prosper in peace. |
| 578s | And finally clear out any Legion Raid you want to. |
| 580s | Contact me today to be involved. |
| 584s | Welcome back to the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club. |
| 586s | It's time for our one versus one debate. |
| 589s | As always, one minute, one minute, one minute, one minute. |
| 592s | I think you get it by now. |
| 593s | If you don't, go watch an earlier episode, because I'm not repeating all of that s#%@. |
| 597s | All right. |
| 598s | So for today, it is the first rematch between two contestants, Datmodz and Stoopzz. |
| 603s | Your topic is: What is the best strategy for playing alts? |
| 607s | So you can take this in any direction you want it, but I will give you both a minute to strategize. |
| 614s | How many alts do both of you play? |
| 617s | Just out of curiosity. |
| 619s | I mean, actively play, aside from my main, I probably have 5 to 6 alts. |
| 625s | 5 to 6? |
| 627s | I have 6 alts. Are they all Reapers? |
| 628s | No, I have six alts and I have 12 Lo-Pangers. |
| 630s | Oh. |
| 631s | It was a genuine question. |
| 632s | Just curious. |
| 633s | Lo-Pang counts as alts, right? |
| 634s | I think so. |
| 635s | I don't play them. |
| 635s | I just run around and Lo-Pang. |
| 637s | That's a Lo-Pang alt. |
| 638s | That's a derivative of alt, I suppose. |
| 642s | Fair enough. |
| 643s | Y'all look pretty ready back there. |
| 644s | Are you feeling ready? |
| 645s | Maybe not. |
| 646s | I need to get more Reapers. |
| 648s | One minute's not enough time. |
| 649s | Too bad. |
| 651s | I asked if you were ready - not if one minute was enough. |
| 655s | One minute is not enough time. |
| 655s | All right, so DatModz will be going first. |
| 657s | Okay. |
| 659s | DatModz, your 1 minutes for your argument starts now. |
| 663s | Okay, so I've unique philosophy on alts, but I think it's a widely accepted philosophy. |
| 667s | I enjoy playing alts because I like the unique playstyle of each individual class. |
| 672s | I think the more is merrier. |
| 674s | But you also feel pressured to play alts sometimes because those resources benefit your mains. |
| 680s | So what I like to do is I like to use end game systems. |
| 682s | Usually I play my six gold earning alts or whatever to get the minimum gold for the week, and then I'll rotate my different alts using rested bonus for the Una's, the Chaos Dungeons, and the Guardian Raids outside of my main. |
| 694s | So doing that I keep my sanity. |
| 696s | I get to play a variety of classes and then I also -whenever like the week resets because I have multiple characters that are over like 1520 item level - I'll rotate different characters into my main six. |
| 708s | So sometimes I might like pull out my Soulfist and throw in an Artist if I want to play a support, or I take out my Deathblade and I put in my Reaper, and then I pull it back and I put on my Deathblade the next week. |
| 721s | But overall, yeah, I just like playing every unique class and then just doing the raids on them. |
| 725s | Cool. |
| 726s | Perfect. |
| 726s | That was exactly one minute. |
| 727s | Stoopzz, You are up starting now. |
| 730s | DatModz doesn't have alts. |
| 732s | DatModz has six mains. |
| 735s | In Lost Ark, there's a lot of pressure to make classes, but I think a lot of that is pressure that's been... |
| 739s | information that's been passed on from players that played the game in the past to current day players in our version. |
| 746s | You should play classes when you want to make them, when the game gives you an opportunity to make them through the Hyper Express. |
| 751s | We have two this summer - make a class today! |
| 754s | But you should make one when you want to make one. |
| 756s | The investment cost of pushing up an alt character is not going to ever pay itself back because you need so many engravings, gems and you're never going to form those naturally, even if you use bad materials, because the gold per tap is extremely high. |
| 771s | At the start of the game, it was beneficial to have a lot of characters, but as the game goes on and it vertically progresses, the costs get so high that you won't be able to maintain all these characters and there's going to be pressure to then do multiple raids on all those classes. |
| 784s | And the raids only get harder and harder, with Hard Brel, then we're going to have Kayangle, Akkan, etc. |
| 789s | and that cost and that time investment is extremely high. |
| 791s | So I think it should be a fun approach. |
| 796s | That's your one minute! You should play what you want to! |
| 798s | DatModz, you get one minute. |
| 799s | He had way more time. |
| 800s | That was not a minute - that clock is broken. |
| 802s | You went over. I mean, I just, you know. |
| 804s | You're already cheating already. |
| 806s | DatModz, you have 1 minute and 30 seconds to make your response. |
| 809s | He's not going to need that time. |
| 811s | All right. |
| 811s | DatMinutes - DatMinutes! |
| 813s | She says minutes all day, one minute, one minute, DatMinutes. |
| 819s | All right, DatModz, you actually have one minute and 30 seconds to make a response if you want it. |
| 824s | Okay. |
| 825s | No, you make some good, valid points right now. |
| 827s | I think the point of the game that we're in right now, where we have Brelshaza, it's the most stressful on players. |
| 831s | It's a long Raid. |
| 832s | It's very unforgiving and you end up spending a lot of time in jail. |
| 837s | But luckily they're expediting and speeding up the release of the new raids. |
| 840s | We got Kayangel, we got Akkan coming out - and those are a lot more time-friendly for sensitive players. |
| 846s | So once we're doing those raids instead of Brelshaza, it won't feel as bad doing them on your alts. |
| 851s | Also, a lot of times alts are, you know, feel like a means to an end and well, you want to play alts and as many as you can, unless you want to fall behind or you might be forced to swipe right if you just play ultra casually and you're not doing your stuff. |
| 864s | So yeah, for me, like where I'm free to play plus plus plus, alts make it so I could play the game, enjoy it. |
| 872s | And not to spend all my money to hone up my characters. |
| 877s | All right, if you want anything extra - This guy spent a lot of money too! |
| 879s | Why is he talking to me, man? |
| 881s | Why are you like this? |
| 883s | He's talking to me - I'm just standing here. |
| 884s | I didn't say anything. |
| 886s | He's framing me. |
| 888s | It's on the mic - they have a mic. |
| 889s | Are we done here? |
| 890s | Yeah, I'm ready. |
| 891s | Are you sure? |
| 891s | Can I go? |
| 892s | Oh, I totally forgot the one point about the... |
| 897s | What's going on? You talked through like half of his argument. |
| 900s | I'm for getting my point now. |
| 901s | DatModz, what was your last point? |
| 903s | I want to hear it. |
| 904s | And the final last point: every character has an investment point and you have a return on that investment. |
| 908s | Currently, with all the free passes and stuff and getting your character up to the additional item level... |
| 913s | What? |
| 914s | This is a ridiculous show! |
| 917s | Is anyone watching this? How is he still going? |
| 918s | It's been two minutes now! |
| 919s | Because you keep interrupting! |
| 923s | I didn't say anything! It was my turn! |
| 924s | - Is this not interrupting? |
| 926s | You're trying to distract me over here! |
| 929s | You said one minute, one minute. |
| 930s | How about you sit down? |
| 931s | His name really is DatMinutes. |
| 933s | Let me get through my thing. |
| 934s | Okay. |
| 935s | Anyway, one of your main points with your alts is - right, you'll never get a return on investment and you will, right? |
| 940s | So you don't want to treat every one of your alts as your main. |
| 942s | If you gradually hone up your alts, use bound materials and get up in in item levels, you'll eventually have a return on your investment and you'll start profiting. |
| 950s | Right? |
| 951s | You will. |
| 952s | Currently it's like nine weeks if you do like a 1490 character based off like bound materials, tradeable materials, boss rushes, getting your gems and everything else like that. |
| 962s | So you do start making money, but everything has your initial investment. |
| 964s | Are you going to break this up? |
| 965s | What is he... |
| 966s | Can we get somebody else's... |
| 970s | Can I have the clock?? |
| 971s | Did I say you could start. Alright, your 60 seconds starts now. |
| 979s | Yes, I agree. |
| 980s | Making alts is fun. |
| 981s | But I think it all boils down back to what I said - you should make alts for fun and you should do it... |
| 985s | if you want to push them, that's great. |
| 987s | But they are expediting the pacing of content. |
| 989s | Right? |
| 989s | And right now, like I said, you have six mains, you don't have six alts. |
| 993s | Back when the game released, Valtan came out, there were alt-Valtan runs. |
| 996s | There are no such thing as alt-runs anymore. |
| 998s | You're expected to have characters that are juiced up and it's hard to get into raids. |
| 1001s | Right? |
| 1002s | So with Akkan coming out, you need to focus on pushing your main character and using alts. |
| 1006s | The question was, what's the best strategy for playing alts? |
| 1009s | The best strategy is to actually funnel your main character. |
| 1013s | Use those alts if you're going to play them to funnel your main. |
| 1016s | Don't have six mains because you will never make back that gold. |
| 1019s | It scales exponentially as the game progresses. |
| 1022s | It's going to cost so much. |
| 1024s | Just look at yourself. |
| 1025s | You can look online, look at the cost to get to Akkan. |
| 1028s | It's really hefty... |
| 1028s | hefty... |
| 1029s | heavy? |
| 1030s | AAHHH. |
| 1034s | In any case, I highly recommend you spend your time funneling your main and playing alts for fun and try not to maintain this roster that's six mains because it's a lot of work and a lot of investment. |
| 1045s | And it will not pay you back. |
| 1048s | I even let you finish. |
| 1049s | All right. |
| 1050s | I'm going to bring the spectators over so we can talk about all of that. |
| 1054s | There was a lot to unpack. |
| 1057s | Hefty! |
| 1058s | All right. |
| 1058s | So I know that was kind of a lot, but I really value your input here because... |
| 1063s | yeah, so what are you guys kind of feeling after that? |
| 1066s | Well, I mean, I can really get behind what Stoopzz was saying, you know, trying to funnel everything to the mains that you do want to play. |
| 1073s | But at the same time, I think Modz made some really, really fair points, like if you want to play the game to its fullest, you might want to play more alts and try out different play styles. |
| 1082s | But nowadays people just want to hop in, get into a raid, get out. |
| 1085s | So it really depends on the player in my opinion. |
| 1088s | Okay. |
| 1089s | Grenton, what are you thinking? |
| 1090s | Yeah, I'm kind of torn as well because I agree with both of their points. |
| 1093s | Stoopzz hit the nail on the head with using your alts to funnel your main. |
| 1097s | As most people know, I mean, Reaper wasn't out for eight months, so I took that eight months to play six characters and just sort of all funnel it into Reaper. |
| 1104s | Yeah. And I know you leveled so fast, a lot of people thought you RMT'd. |
| 1108s | Yeah, it's just called playing the game. |
| 1112s | - Bulls#$@. And then DatModz actually had a really good point as well because there's so much repetition in Lost Ark, right? |
| 1117s | You're running the same raid on all your characters, you're doing Chaos Dungeons, Guardian Raids, that the only like breath of fresh air or variance you can experience is playing different classes and experiencing that. |
| 1126s | So I actually consider classes content in Lost Ark, which is, which is super good. |
| 1131s | So they're both really good points. |
| 1134s | If you put them together, I think it would be a pretty cohesive argument. |
| 1136s | I think I have enough information to make a decision. |
| 1138s | Anything else you want to call out? |
| 1140s | Feeling pretty good? |
| 1141s | Pretty good. |
| 1142s | Anyway, I'll send you guys back over and we will declare our winner. |
| 1146s | All right. |
| 1147s | It's time to announce our winner. |
| 1149s | Remember, the question was, what is the best strategy for playing alts? |
| 1153s | So DatModz, it was a very hard choice. |
| 1158s | Oh, those eyebrows. |
| 1159s | Those eyebrows are saying what you're not that. |
| 1179s | DatModz, you are the Mokoko of the first rematch. |
| 1186s | You won last time too. |
| 1187s | Roxx, how are you doing today? |
| 1191s | Listen, DatModz, I love Mr. |
| 1193s | Modz, okay? |
| 1194s | I was right on this one. |
| 1195s | I love you, Mr. |
| 1196s | Modz. |
| 1197s | You should just play the class you want. |
| 1198s | I agree. |
| 1199s | But within reason. |
| 1200s | Otherwise, you're going to have all these dailies for yourself and a lot of homework and be very frustrated and be jailed at Brelshaza Gate like this guy. |
| 1208s | I never get jailed at Gate Six. |
| 1210s | What do you mean, every time we play .... |
| 1211s | Huh? |
| 1217s | All right. |
| 1218s | That will do it for us today. |
| 1220s | Remember, none of these debates actually really matter, because what does matter is the live series finale where the community will be voting on who is and who is not a Mokoko. |
| 1229s | We'll see you next week for the next episode of Lost Art Academy Debate Club. |
| 1233s | Jazz Hands. |