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| 6s | Coming to you from the Amazon Games Community team, it's the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club! |
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| 12s | With your host, straight out of the rocks box, it's Roxx! |
| 16s | Welcome to the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club, where our Lost Ark players debate to prove they have what it takes not to be a Mokoko. |
| 31s | I'm Roxx and I'm here to make sure everyone follows the rules, both in game and here in Mokoko Village. |
| 36s | You know, pretty basic stuff, like don't RMT. |
| 40s | Right, Mokoko? |
| 42s | My ban ends tomorrow! |
| 43s | Watch out Arkesia! |
| 46s | This show is brought to you by the Amazon Games Community Team. |
| 49s | We're here to have a good time because that's really what community is all about. |
| 53s | All right. |
| 54s | It's time to kick off our very first episode of the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club. |
| 58s | For the first time, let's bring out our debaters. |
| 61s | Straight from the Creator Program, here's Grenton. |
| 68s | There you go. |
| 69s | Look at that. |
| 69s | So gallant. |
| 70s | All right, Grenton. |
| 71s | Come over here. |
| 72s | Take your place. |
| 73s | And why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself, who you are, what you do, how you are as a creator. |
| 78s | Sure. |
| 79s | I mean, most people in the Lost Ark Discord will know me for my spicy takes. |
| 82s | The rest of you might know me for tweeting about 166 days in a row for the Reaper class to come out. |
| 87s | And if you watch my stream, you probably are very well aware of my receding hairline. |
| 93s | All right. |
| 93s | I guess they can see that here, too. |
| 96s | But, you know, is it... |
| 97s | it's extra special on your stream or something? |
| 99s | Yes. |
| 100s | Okay, we'll take it. |
| 101s | Next up, we have Bobajenny. |
| 105s | Oh, welcome. |
| 107s | Welcome. |
| 107s | All right, well, Bobajenny, why don't you introduce yourself? |
| 110s | Hi, I'm Bobajenny, and you guys might call me a warden. |
| 114s | Literally, like, all the time. |
| 115s | But I actually just want to have fun and welcome all the new players to Lost Ark, and lead them out of Azkaban, of course. |
| 122s | Perfect. |
| 123s | Yes. |
| 123s | You are the guide to get folks out of jail. |
| 125s | It sounds like a lovely thing to be. |
| 127s | All right. |
| 128s | Next up, we have Stoopzz. |
| 133s | Well, everyone, my name is Stoopzz, also known as Mr. |
| 136s | Igubaba, El Shishe, El Guapimo. |
| 137s | And I'm here because I love fish, Mokokos, and Roxx because she shut down the forums and I need my skins. |
| 144s | Thank you. |
| 145s | All right, next up, we have DatModz. |
| 147s | Yay! |
| 148s | DatModz!. |
| 152s | Welcome. |
| 153s | Why don't you let everyone know a little bit about yourself? |
| 156s | Hey, guys. |
| 157s | I'm Chris. |
| 159s | Most of you guys know me as Modz. |
| 159s | I enjoy playing off-meta builds that no one else plays because things are cheap. |
| 163s | Hosting learning parties to get new players in endgame raids, and jailing this guy. |
| 168s | And I heard this guy also knows you as dad. |
| 171s | I call him dad sometimes. |
| 173s | Over the next 12 episodes, these Lost Ark debaters will go head to head and show off their creativity, their knowledge, their experience, and whatever else they can come up with to prove that they do not belong here in Mokoko Village and prove that they are not a Mokoko, or new player. |
| 188s | But remember, none of these episodes actually matter. |
| 191s | It's all just practice for the live finale where you, the community, will vote on who is not in a Mokoko. |
| 197s | Anyway, let's get started and head into our warm-up debate. |
| 201s | This is going to be a two versus two debate with Grenton and Bobajenny versus Stoopzz and DatModz, only rule here is that there are no rules. |
| 209s | Get it all out of your system now before our serious 1v1 debate later. |
| 214s | For our warm-up debate topic, we are going to be debating which Brelshaza gate is easiest to get jailed in. |
| 221s | So Grenton and Bobajenny, you will be arguing for gate five, DatModz and Stoopzz, you will be arguing for gate six. |
| 227s | I'll give you all a minute to strategize. |
| 230s | We're going to go in there, huddle again. |
| 232s | That's one way to strategize. |
| 234s | The hard part is shapes. Shapes! |
| 239s | If you've made it this far into the episode, you're probably wondering, what is this? |
| 244s | What is the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club? |
| 247s | Well, let me tell you: we know players have a lot of opinions. |
| 250s | They like to argue, say lots and lots of things about Lost Ark and all of its different content and features. |
| 256s | There's almost an endless amount of online arguing and discourse, some of it more fun than others from, you know, raids, skins, RMT. |
| 267s | Just kidding. |
| 267s | That was just the Mokoko. |
| 268s | You can't really debate that. |
| 269s | Please stop our RMTing. |
| 270s | Please, please, please. |
| 271s | Our CS team is so tired. |
| 274s | But, you know, we thought what better place to debate against each other, share opinions about these things than a Debate Club itself. |
| 280s | It seems like kind of a layup. |
| 281s | We hope you enjoy it. |
| 282s | And we're definitely curious to see what you would say about some of these debate topics. |
| 286s | Let us know your opinions. |
| 287s | Let us know your arguments. |
| 289s | Let us know how you would argue for certain things and we'll be listening. |
| 292s | We're always listening. |
| 295s | All right. |
| 295s | Back to the show. |
| 297s | All right. |
| 298s | There was some strategizing happening, I think. |
| 300s | So we're going to move right into our warm-up debate. |
| 303s | Debaters, are you all ready? |
| 305s | Yep. |
| 306s | Perfect. |
| 306s | All right, here you go. |
| 308s | The hardest mech in gate five is placing shapes in a hole. |
| 312s | And I know what you're going to say, that you rely on both people. |
| 314s | If one person doesn't get it, you don't get the shape. |
| 318s | Six - everyone has to know where the meterors go. |
| 320s | And if they drop it in the wrong tile, it's pretty much over. |
| 323s | And there's multiple gold meters, multiple raid wipe mechanics, and you can get knocked off the map. |
| 328s | No, you're kidding me. |
| 329s | You can't even get knocked off gate five. |
| 330s | Yeah at gate five, there's more times for you to wipe, though. |
| 333s | Like, why - I know you think it's hard, Bobajenny. |
| 335s | I don't run with ... |
| 337s | *indecipherable* Oh, no, no, no, no, no. |
| 341s | Because gate six is more of like a DPS track. |
| 343s | You hold your DPS, you do the mech once, you've got spare tiles and you just go at it, that's about it. |
| 349s | Yeah, you have room for error. |
| 351s | Okay, so sell me on gate five, why it's hard. |
| 352s | Because you have to have two people to put in the same place. |
| 355s | And if we're talking about Hard Brel - Drop the shape in the hole. |
| 360s | *indecipherable*. |
| 360s | You already do that with the meteors. |
| 362s | You already have people go to the same spot and drop. |
| 364s | So you have one raid, you have one raid leader calling where to drop your meteors in gate six and in gate five, it changes if you're going times three or times three plus one. |
| 372s | Not only that, you can only mess up once, you can't mess up twice on both sides. |
| 376s | One gold meteor. |
| 376s | It's over. |
| 377s | Yeah. |
| 377s | One gold meteor it's over. |
| 379s | You can mess up white meteors. |
| 382s | You have safety squares. |
| 384s | DatModz just looks tired. |
| 384s | I want to hear what... |
| 386s | At gate five you don't have overlapping mechanics once you're doing your shapes. |
| 388s | Of course you do. |
| 389s | *indecipherable* You have the beams down the middle. |
| 393s | No, no, no. |
| 394s | You stop damage. |
| 395s | Everyone sitting around on the edge. |
| 398s | Okay, does everyone got two, four, six, eight. |
| 400s | Oh, counting is hard. |
| 402s | And then you go into mechanics. |
| 403s | That's why you think counting's hard, I guess. |
| 405s | Why am I dragged into this? |
| 412s | I can count, but you can't count all of the meters because you haven't cleared that yet - you haven't cleared any of them yet! |
| 419s | And it took her like two weeks to clear that. |
| 420s | I saw that little picture on Twitter. |
| 421s | It took a long ass time, I saw that. |
| 423s | I was gone. |
| 424s | I was AFK. |
| 425s | I'm getting bullied by people that never played the fight. |
| 427s | I don't know. |
| 427s | It's unfair. |
| 428s | I mean, like, I just feel like gate six is more forgiving, though, because you can have two or three people die and you can clear it. |
| 436s | You need a certain amount of people alive at the end to do the countermech. |
| 439s | Like three people. |
| 441s | Like three, four people. |
| 441s | I kniow why you guys think gate five is hard - it's because it's the one that takes to get to gate six and you can't clear gate five, you're not going to clear gate six. |
| 446s | The only thing that's difficult about gate six is the length of the fight and getting to the end. |
| 451s | That's it. |
| 452s | Gate five, throughout - Of course. |
| 454s | I made it to the - You have a picture of the horns and everything on hard mode? |
| 456s | No, but I made it to the -. |
| 457s | That's fine. |
| 459s | I mean, you can Photoshop it Wait, so you're able to clear gate five, but not gate six. |
| 462s | He didn't clear Gate five. |
| 463s | Yes, I did. |
| 464s | I saw him there doint.... |
| 466s | He already cleared gate five. |
| 468s | Maybe she can help you. |
| 469s | I mean, like he helps you, right? |
| 471s | Keep in mind, like we are normies so we don't have as much time. |
| 474s | We work corpa jobs. |
| 476s | You just sit at home, pet your cat and play Lost Ark all day. |
| 478s | That's the life! |
| 480s | That's why I'm here, baby, let's go! |
| 483s | Lost Ark respects your time, though. |
| 484s | So the thing is, it should be easy for you guys to do the raid. |
| 488s | Yeah, you're right. |
| 488s | You're right. |
| 489s | All right. |
| 490s | A lot of stuff was mentioned. |
| 491s | That was our warm-up debate, Grenton, shut up. |
| 495s | I like that one. |
| 497s | I was gonna run away. |
| 498s | You are all very warm, so we're going to go ahead and head into our commercial break. |
| 502s | When we get back, we will kick off our 1v1 debate. |
| 515s | Hi, everyone. |
| 516s | Let's talk about something that's already been on everyone's mind. |
| 520s | DatModz. |
| 520s | DatModz, he's getting there. |
| 523s | He's old. |
| 524s | How many more years can he see shapes, colors or lines? |
| 528s | How is he going to share his wealth on the streamer client when he's one-tapping, two-tapping, hitting 100 qualities. |
| 537s | He's free-to-play. |
| 538s | Plus, plus, plus, plus, plus. |
| 542s | It doesn't end there. |
| 543s | I know how you feel, so vote for me. |
| 546s | In the live finale of the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club. |
| 550s | You know that I am the only choice. |
| 585s | Welcome back to the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club. |
| 588s | It's time to get serious with our 1v1 debate. |
| 591s | In this debate, the first contestant will have one minute to make their argument. |
| 595s | Second contestant will have one minute to make theirs. |
| 597s | And then each will be given one additional minute for a response. |
| 601s | Today we have DatModz and Stoopzz arguing whether to bus or not to bus. |
| 607s | The spectators will join me on listening in closely and we will decide a winner. |
| 612s | So to bus or not to bus, Stoopzz, I think you are going to argue for not bussing today, and DatModz, you will argue for bussing. |
| 621s | Okay. |
| 622s | I'll give you all a minute to strategize. |
| 625s | All right, guys. |
| 628s | I don't know why they're both in the exact same.. |
| 630s | Their thinking pose. |
| 632s | Thinking pose? |
| 633s | Weird. |
| 633s | How do you guys feel about bussing? |
| 635s | Personally, I know it's very, very contentious. |
| 638s | I don't know, because, you know, I understand that sometimes new raids can be a little bit difficult to get used to. |
| 646s | But ultimately, I feel like you should, you know, just enjoy the game as it is. |
| 651s | I don't know. |
| 651s | I'm a goblin and I like gold. |
| 653s | So if I can triple my gold income from doing the raid, I might as well do it. |
| 656s | All right. |
| 656s | So it sounds like we're coming in with some bias, which is totally okay. |
| 659s | I love to hear it. |
| 661s | I never said I was going to be unbiased. |
| 663s | That was never in my contract. |
| 664s | It was not. |
| 665s | So I'm okay with that. |
| 666s | That's not fair, man. |
| 669s | None of this is. |
| 670s | That's the whole point of a debate, right? |
| 671s | Yeah, None of this. |
| 672s | To get someone to change their mind. |
| 672s | We didn't promise fairness. |
| 674s | It's not in our TOS. |
| 675s | Actually, it is. |
| 676s | Don't look that up. |
| 677s | All right? |
| 678s | We've given them enough time to strategize. |
| 680s | Do you all feel like you're ready? |
| 682s | Yeah. |
| 682s | Ready to rumble. |
| 683s | Stoopzz, go ahead and make your first argument. |
| 686s | Starting now. |
| 687s | Listen, bearded man, I know you don't like bussing. |
| 691s | Nobody likes bussing. |
| 692s | It incentivizes players to monetize gatekeeping, right? |
| 697s | It makes money off gatekeeping in Lost Ark, which is something that a lot of new players experience. |
| 701s | Right? |
| 701s | Essentially, you're just selling an entry ticket or a clear ticket to the raid and then a new player, they come into the game, they spend all of this time grinding up their gear, going through the hyper express to do what a lot of people want to do in Lost Ark, which is the main course. |
| 713s | It's the main dish, it's the endgame, the Legion Raids! |
| 716s | And they're just monetizing that. |
| 717s | And that's no different than selling a clear ticket in the cash shop. |
| 720s | But most importantly, it takes away from the learning parties. |
| 723s | It does require a lot of work to learn the raids, right? |
| 726s | It's not easy to learn Legion Raids. |
| 728s | They take some time, so people want to take the easy route and just pay a verse or somebody else to get a bus to the raid. |
| 735s | Right? |
| 736s | But you need people to form these learning groups and there are people that do want to do learning groups. |
| 741s | And by having bussing, you're taking away from that and you're marketing it inside of the game in the party finder. |
| 747s | And I think it's a terrible new player experience and that doesn't even go into inflation and everything else. |
| 751s | That is your one minute. |
| 753s | DatModz, one minute for your argument starts now. |
| 756s | Okay, you make some really good points. |
| 757s | People bus for multiple reasons. |
| 759s | One of the reasons is the challenge themselves, right? |
| 762s | And by challenging themself and charging for a bus, it also is an equalizer free-to-play players. |
| 766s | Not everyone swipes, not everyone has an 18-player roster. |
| 769s | They might only play six characters in order to keep up and keep their gear up-to-date. |
| 773s | And so they don't get gate-kepted by offering busses and lower tier content. |
| 777s | That actually does help out new players because unfortunately Lost Ark doesn't respect your time sometimes. |
| 783s | Right? |
| 783s | And just going in the party finder, sitting there for a long time waiting for Mokokos and stuff like that, again there, it's very time consuming. |
| 790s | So sometimes you just want to get in there real quick, get their gear so they don't fall further behind. |
| 795s | Also, there's raid anxiety. |
| 796s | Not everyone wants to go into a learning party and some people just enjoy honing their characters. |
| 800s | It's almost like collecting a car but not working on it. |
| 804s | So they want to get that relic gear. |
| 806s | They want to get those better pieces, but they don't actually want to do the raids themselves. |
| 809s | But the raids are fun and they are enjoyable, but it's not content everyone enjoys. |
| 813s | All right, Stoopzz, you have one minute to make a rebuttal. |
| 817s | What does respect your time was the experience I had with you doing Brelshaza for the first time? |
| 822s | Right. |
| 822s | You enjoyed that. |
| 823s | Those are the memories that matter, right? |
| 825s | And if you don't want to do the endgame, if you don't want to do the raid, you shouldn't get the best gear in the game, right? |
| 831s | You love grinding and video games. |
| 833s | Why should people just pay - why can't you just buy Legion Raid gear in the cash shop then? |
| 837s | Why don't they just sell everything, right? |
| 839s | You have to put in some work in the endgame. |
| 842s | And what happens is that people, they're not going to do these learning groups and they're just going to, Hey, take off all of your armor, stand in the corner and watch me kill this raid. |
| 850s | And then those same people will end up in your Legion Raids with a title that they didn't even earn. |
| 855s | And you get jailed, right? |
| 857s | You don't even know who you're actually grouping with. |
| 859s | You don't know if the title's real. |
| 861s | You don't know if they put in any effort at all, right? |
| 863s | So I think that we need more learning groups. |
| 866s | And what new players need is a way for experienced players to interact with new players. |
| 870s | And if you really cared about the challenge, why do you charge them? |
| 873s | You care about the goal. |
| 874s | They're trying to make way more gold - and the idea that free-to-play players need all of that gold. |
| 879s | Why is there verse and level 10 gems on every character. |
| 882s | Your one minute is up. |
| 883s | That's ridiculous. |
| 884s | DatModz, one minute for your final response starts now. |
| 887s | You made some really good points again there. |
| 890s | And one of the biggest downsides to bussing of people using titles and achievements and different accolades to infiltrate raids. |
| 896s | But this is a player-created problem. |
| 899s | Players, when they take the bus, for whatever reason, they should not use the things that they garner to get into raids that they're not qualified for. |
| 907s | What they should do is they should use the power that they gain from the raids to make their own learning parties. |
| 914s | So they'll actually learn the raid, but they'll have more power and they'll make it a bit easier for them. |
| 919s | In addition to that... |
| 923s | Bussing is... |
| 923s | Keep your feelings inside, Stoopzz. |
| 927s | It's too hard to argue that. I need to like brainstorm. |
| 931s | You got like 30 seconds to brainstorm. |
| 933s | I believe in you. |
| 935s | Bussing. |
| 936s | Good start. |
| 937s | Good start. |
| 943s | Bussing, it can be good in some situations. |
| 945s | All right. |
| 952s | That is literally your time. |
| 952s | A for effort, maybe. |
| 952s | I'm going to bring the spectators over to talk about that, and we will decide who is and who is not a Mokoko. |
| 958s | Bobajenny, I actually want to start with you, because I know you have very strong opinions about bussing. |
| 963s | I mean, I can definitely get behind what Stoopzz was saying. |
| 965s | But at the same time, you know, Modz saying that, you know, respecting time and everything, I do think that they both make pretty fair arguments. |
| 975s | Obviously, I feel like one probably resonates more with the community than the other. |
| 979s | But yeah. |
| 980s | Cool. |
| 981s | Grenton, how are you feeling after that? |
| 982s | Kind of the same as Jenny. |
| 984s | I'm a big busser. |
| 986s | That's what I usually do. |
| 987s | But Stoopzz got me thinking, which is a rare Grenton character development moment, I guess. |
| 992s | But DatMoz, he had a point that I never thought of, which is Mokokos coming in and getting that power spike to make their own learning parties more, more comfortable and a little bit easier and less punishing, and then I just feel like Stoopzz had a perfect segue into that with the, sure, but now they're going to be imposters in your raid because they'll have that title and they'll have everything. |
| 1011s | So it's a tough one, but it's got me thinking, that's for sure. |
| 1014s | Cool. |
| 1014s | Yeah, we definitely started with a very challenging topic, so I really appreciate everyone's insight, but I think we've come to a consensus. |
| 1022s | It was a heated debate, but DatModz. |
| 1025s | Yeah? |
| 1027s | Yeah? |
| 1028s | I'm ready. |
| 1029s | You sure? |
| 1029s | I think. |
| 1030s | DatModz. |
| 1046s | You are a Mokoko. |
| 1050s | I feel really mean. |
| 1052s | But Stoopzz, congratulations, you are not a Mokoko. |
| 1056s | Okay. |
| 1057s | I'm sorry. |
| 1059s | I don't think I made the right decision based on that interaction. |
| 1063s | All right. |
| 1064s | All right. |
| 1065s | Thank you, everyone, for joining us. |
| 1066s | And remember it doesn't really matter. |
| 1068s | Bussing is bad! |
| 1069s | Don't ride the bus! |
| 1070s | He shouldn't be excited at all because none of this matters. |
| 1072s | None of it matters until our live series finale, which will happen August 24th at 10 AM Pacific Time on Twitch.tv/ PlayLostArK and the community will all vote on who is and who is not a Mokoko. |
| 1086s | All right. |
| 1086s | Thank you for joining us and we'll see you next week on the next epi -. |
| 1090s | You're already clapping. |
| 1091s | Thank you. |
| 1092s | Please clap for me. |
| 1093s | We'll see you next week on the next episode of the Lost Ark Academy Debate Club. |
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