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I don't remember if any of the brawl decks had adamant, and if they did, I don't remember how auto-tapper handled it. There will definitely be situations where there is simply no way for the auto-tapper to guess (e.g., you have 3 swamps and 1 mountain, a black 1 drop in hands and you cast [[Foreboding Fruit]], should auto-tapper keep 1 black open for your 1 drop, or should it turn on adamant?), but even in situations that seem obvious, auto tapper may or may not tap properly. Auto tapper has a tendency to want to keep as many colors opened as possible, so if, for instance, you have 3 swamps and 2 mountains, and cast [[Clockwork Servant]] with no other cards in hands, I would not be surprised if tapped 2 swamps and 1 mountain to keep 1 red and 1 black open.

So although it's good practice to always double check what the auto-tapper does, but for adamant in particular, be extra careful!

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about 5 years ago - /u/WotC_BenFinkel - Direct link

Mana payment conditions like Adamant certainly were a new challenge for Autotap. I think we did a pretty good job with our solution to the interface though.

If the mana you have available makes it possible for you to choose between paying the adamant cost and not doing so, you will be offered that choice at payment time. There will be two buttons, one which pays the adamant mana, and one which avoids paying it. You can also at that time manually produce the mana you want. #wotc_staff

about 5 years ago - /u/WotC_BenFinkel - Direct link

Originally posted by Diet_Goomy

so it basically works as a sudo kicker mechanic when it comes to the program?

There's a lot of differences (timing, UI, rules interactions), but I suppose there are similarities too. They both happen between you dragging the card out from your hand and your opponent seeing the action you've performed. #wotc_staff

about 5 years ago - /u/WotC_BenFinkel - Direct link

Originally posted by Filobel

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of the way MtGO implemented it, but it seems you're approaching it in a similar way.

On a side note, how much communication is there between the MtGO and MtGA team? Did the two teams discuss this mechanic, or did you both arrive to a similar solution independently?

I'd argue our solutions are pretty different. They have you make a choice at priority-time, which constrains which mana is qualified to pay for the cost. We have an autotap-only choice at payment time, which determines which of two autotap solutions to execute.

We have meetings with MtGO and paper R&D about upcoming sets to communicate which cards or mechanics that have digital playability or implementation problems. But in terms of "fingers to keyboard" solutions, our code bases are divergent enough that we don't have too much to discuss about EXACTLY how we're going to solve the problems a new set presents us. #wotc_staff

about 5 years ago - /u/WotC_BenFinkel - Direct link

Originally posted by Dimentive

So, it’s just like how Spectacle works. Makes sense.

I hesitate to be pedantic (even though it sort of is my job), but it's not exactly like Spectacle. Spectacle is a choice about which alternative cost to pay for an action, which takes place in the step of performing an action outlined by my "favorite" rule, 601.2b. The choice you make for Adamant in Arena takes place later, when determining the total cost, activating mana abilities, and applying your payment (601.2f through 2h, which is sort of one blob in the GRE).

So, there is a rules difference, yes. But there's also a UI difference - when you drag out a spectacle card, the screen dims and what we call a browser opens up of all the alternative costs you could pay (or the normal one). Whereas with Adamant, you'll see the normal battlefield and two buttons in the bottom right of the two autotap strategies. #wotc_staff

about 5 years ago - /u/WotC_BenFinkel - Direct link

Originally posted by Gazz1016

Is it more comparable to the way autotapping when sacrificing treasures works then, at least in terms of timing?

Yup. #wotc_staff

about 5 years ago - /u/WotC_BenFinkel - Direct link

Originally posted by AaronElsewhere

Repeating comment here in case staff can answer.

Once mana is in the mana pool, is there a way to control which is used for a spell? I saw someone say use full control in the past, but it does not work anymore.

I use lotus field alot, and sometimes I need to ration the three of a particular color in the mana pool, but the first spell eats up that color.

I believe you have to turn autotap off in your options to enable manual mana spending. We've changed it a lot in the past though, so I don't remember if you also need to be in full control... #wotc_staff