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| 4s | hello everyone and welcome to today's |
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| 6s | live stream I'm your host miza and I've |
| 8s | got the lovely mod Kieran with me hey |
| 10s | mod Kieran how are you hello I fantastic |
| 13s | how are you |
| 15s | aa oh so nice of you to ask the host I'm |
| 17s | good thank you yeah it's it's like we're |
| 19s | back at the summit again only we're in |
| 21s | the comfort of our own rooms rather than |
| 23s | the the lovely set with the |
| 25s | grapes but I'm doing good thank you what |
| 27s | have you been up |
| 28s | to um you know what for once in a long |
| 32s | time I was actually doing some runes |
| 34s | script this week um wow the for anybody |
| 38s | familiar with the Ember |
| 40s | light if if you're trying to upgrade the |
| 43s | ark light you need 10,000 charges you |
| 45s | get infusion as you go but if your Ark |
| 47s | light runs out of charges it will |
| 49s | degrade into a dark light and lose all |
| 51s | infusion progress so I'm try I'm looking |
| 54s | to address that and so instead the ark |
| 57s | light will uh go into like an ark light |
| 59s | inactive state something anyway enough |
| 61s | enough Babel but I've been trying to get |
| 63s | that |
| 64s | sorted nice one I love it when you |
| 67s | trying out content you can always tell |
| 69s | what what you've been playing because in |
| 70s | the next few weeks there'll be a round |
| 71s | of changes just added to the backlog of |
| 73s | like oh we can fix this you just coded |
| 75s | them in an evening oh dear literally I |
| 78s | mean I had I suffered that for everyone |
| 81s | that's that's why I was like oh my God |
| 83s | this is how it works I need to sort that |
| 85s | that's very much how what happened |
| 87s | brilliant I love that all right well |
| 89s | let's get into it why are we here today |
| 91s | well as hopefully most of you know um |
| 94s | what is it like a week ago two weeks ago |
| 96s | now we had the summer Summit on the 7th |
| 98s | of September where we shared our road |
| 100s | map with you that lasts up until pretty |
| 102s | much the next Rune Fest which is in |
| 104s | March as part of that we did a gigap |
| 107s | which is now closed and you obviously |
| 109s | got chance to vote on a wholeo of |
| 111s | content Valore the Final Dawn game Jam |
| 114s | quality of life updates and loads more |
| 116s | in there uh including grath Moore which |
| 119s | didn't quite hit the mark I'd say |
| 120s | actually that's a little bit of an |
| 121s | understatement it it failed pretty |
| 123s | catastrophically in the poll system one |
| 125s | of our worst result resulting polls in |
| 128s | in all of history actually I think it's |
| 130s | ranked in the top 10 of of most failed |
| 132s | so that's quite an achievement I guess |
| 135s | um but what we what we wanted to do was |
| 137s | essentially have the stream to talk |
| 138s | about rfhm more generally talk about the |
| 140s | feedback that we've seen the things that |
| 143s | uh we want to do moving forward so we |
| 146s | are intending to uh revisit rfhm more as |
| 149s | a concept |
| 151s | um so today we're going to talk about |
| 152s | what we're planning to do with that and |
| 153s | how we're going to move forward with it |
| 155s | as well as answering as many questions |
| 156s | as we can um one of the things that we |
| 158s | got to make absolutely clear obviously |
| 160s | is that moving forward doesn't mean that |
| 161s | it's just going to get added into the |
| 163s | game what we've essentially done is |
| 165s | we've noticed that there was quite a |
| 166s | large amount of demand for a world boss |
| 168s | generally but there were a lot of issues |
| 170s | with rmore and the way that it was |
| 171s | presented that we think we can actually |
| 173s | fix quite easily to be able to bring it |
| 176s | more in line with what you expecting |
| 177s | give a little bit of everything for |
| 179s | everyone and and then see how it fares |
| 181s | again in the poll system so it's not |
| 183s | entirely unheard of us for us to do this |
| 184s | with content that's failed um we've got |
| 187s | a Blog that's going to be coming out |
| 188s | next week which is going to go into a |
| 189s | bit more detail about our reasoning |
| 190s | behind like looking forward more so than |
| 192s | we can in this live stream but |
| 194s | essentially if we feel like there is a |
| 196s | lot of feedback that we can action that |
| 198s | would warrant enough of a design change |
| 200s | to actually look at reping something |
| 202s | then we will do so and we have done in |
| 204s | the past we're going to continue to do |
| 205s | that and that's what this is about so |
| 208s | before we get into it I'm going to go |
| 209s | through few announcements I'm going to |
| 211s | let chat calm down a little bit I see |
| 213s | all of your NOS but you know maybe those |
| 215s | NOS can turns into yeses if you just |
| 216s | keep a opene mind and hear what we've |
| 218s | got to say read the blog and then make |
| 220s | your own mind up after you've seen the |
| 221s | redesigned version rather than what you |
| 223s | saw before which we know wasn't great um |
| 226s | but yeah in that time whilst everyone's |
| 228s | calming down exclamation mark beta the |
| 231s | open beta for Paul 82's winter to |
| 232s | changes is live now mod Goin also just |
| 234s | put out a new blog earlier this |
| 236s | afternoon that talks about some of the |
| 238s | things that we've taken in on board from |
| 239s | your feed back from the live from the |
| 241s | live stream we're on the live stream |
| 243s | from the beta that we're going to |
| 244s | hopefully look to implement before that |
| 246s | new revised winter Todd version goes out |
| 249s | so if you want to check out of that Blog |
| 250s | full rundown of the changes and a crash |
| 253s | course on beta testing in old school |
| 254s | then exclamation mark beta is the |
| 256s | command that you want to use next we |
| 258s | have exclamation mark vmore because it |
| 260s | is time for vmore the rising darkness is |
| 263s | actually out next week so on Wednesday |
| 265s | September 25th mark your calendars |
| 267s | because the second expansion for volore |
| 270s | is coming out then and there is a whole |
| 272s | load of content not going to go through |
| 273s | it all check out exclamation mark volore |
| 275s | if you want to know what's going with |
| 276s | there then we have exclamation about |
| 278s | modcast so if you missed it on our |
| 281s | official Discord server mods son and TJ |
| 283s | talked all about project zanaris and |
| 285s | answered some pretty good questions |
| 287s | actually a lot of questions that I'd |
| 289s | expect most people weren't anticipating |
| 291s | that we would actually ask and answer if |
| 293s | you want to check that out exclamation |
| 294s | modcast the whole recording of that |
| 296s | stage call is now live all transcripted |
| 298s | so on so forth I think we're also going |
| 299s | to post a transcript of the actual blog |
| 302s | uh sorry of the stage call in a blog as |
| 304s | well so if you don't want to watch the |
| 305s | video and you read instead then that's |
| 307s | all going to be there for you and then |
| 309s | lastly on the topic of stages if you |
| 312s | want to get involved in future modcs |
| 313s | make sure that you're in our Discord |
| 315s | server exclamation mark Discord for that |
| 317s | we do post on socials when they're going |
| 318s | to happen but there's also announcements |
| 320s | and all that kind of stuff and there's a |
| 321s | whole huge growing community on the |
| 323s | Discord server so go check it out okay |
| 326s | there's the announcements out of the way |
| 328s | let's talk a little bit about overall |
| 331s | and let's keep it very top level kin uh |
| 334s | about the design and what is essentially |
| 337s | going to be different and there's a load |
| 339s | of questions that will make a lot of |
| 340s | this probably make more sense for those |
| 342s | of you that are watching at home but |
| 343s | just you know off the top of your head |
| 344s | what do you think are the biggest |
| 345s | changes that we've made to the design |
| 348s | ready for when we want to share it with |
| 349s | the |
| 352s | players um the time gating is a |
| 356s | humongous point of feedback um we |
| 358s | absolutely seen that we we've seen that |
| 360s | being spammed in the chat today we've |
| 362s | seen that all over social |
| 364s | media absolutely a no in Old School in |
| 368s | general now for what it's worth this is |
| 371s | something we we recognized and we knew |
| 373s | this was a risk going into it in fact |
| 376s | it's something we actively do avoid in |
| 378s | pretty much everything we do in my mind |
| 381s | there is enough chores in all school |
| 384s | with respect to just like we've have a |
| 385s | whole skill farming is essentially a |
| 388s | kind of time Gatey like feure bird |
| 391s | houses even doing your herb runs there's |
| 393s | enough stuff like that that kind of |
| 395s | gives you it feels like a chore to go |
| 397s | and do every hour or two or whatever |
| 399s | anyway that as side we understand |
| 401s | it with the boss we were trying to go |
| 405s | for something along the lines of sort of |
| 407s | you intentionally want to bring pvpers |
| 408s | together so you have the pvpers will |
| 411s | fight one another and so on Spike the |
| 413s | traffic for PVP that said we've heard it |
| 416s | all so that's a that's a big change |
| 418s | immediately we know we know we need to |
| 420s | increase the frequency of spawns etc etc |
| 423s | and assess the spawning mechanics so |
| 425s | that you get something that it doesn't |
| 428s | feel like that whatsoever it's it's it |
| 431s | could be more unequivocally clear that |
| 433s | nobody wants um like a fear of missing |
| 436s | out like like strategy with with the |
| 438s | spawning mechanics so that's one major |
| 441s | thing um the Wilderness feeling forc to |
| 444s | go into the Wilderness is another big |
| 446s | deal we're trying to look at and look at |
| 448s | how to solve that um um one thing we've |
| 451s | been considering is a lot of the time |
| 454s | you get new PVP content it gives pvps |
| 457s | more stuff to be able to kill you with |
| 458s | easily if you're less of a pvper we very |
| 462s | rarely explored more defensive options |
| 464s | and and that sort of thing so we're |
| 467s | looking at that and we're also |
| 468s | considering whether we can explore a |
| 471s | non-wilderness version of the boss |
| 474s | essentially so a lot of people have |
| 476s | talked about sand literally using the |
| 479s | word sand that's the sort of word we've |
| 481s | been using internally and whether we can |
| 483s | have a massive desert sandworm boss now |
| 488s | that might be something we do |
| 489s | alongside rathmore in the wilderness and |
| 492s | they could work together in some |
| 494s | capacity like your rewards from the sand |
| 496s | boss might help you in the wilderness |
| 498s | one defensively like these are the sort |
| 500s | of things we're exploring it's not fully |
| 502s | necessarily like refined yet but |
| 505s | ultimately I hope what's clear is we've |
| 508s | heard your criticism this isn't us just |
| 511s | coming back with the same pitch again |
| 512s | with a few small tweaks we are trying to |
| 515s | make pretty drastic changes to what |
| 518s | rathmore is as a as a full package with |
| 521s | potentially sandmore as well to give you |
| 524s | something that does give you hopefully |
| 525s | something you want with the spawning |
| 527s | mechanics that don't make you feel |
| 529s | you're forced to log in at a certain |
| 530s | time every day Etc so I don't know maybe |
| 534s | I've missed some elements I use it but I |
| 536s | think that's the |
| 538s | gist I think I think you did a pretty |
| 540s | good job yeah I did ask specifically for |
| 542s | a very top level because I realize the |
| 544s | more you speak the more that the |
| 545s | questions we have prepared are going to |
| 547s | start getting ansed yeah yeah so yeah |
| 549s | the the blog will come out next week so |
| 551s | everyone gets a chance to read through |
| 552s | it there and uh I will just say one more |
| 554s | time for everyone in chat like I get it |
| 556s | I understand where you're coming from |
| 558s | there's a lot of like you know we said |
| 559s | no no means no and you're right no means |
| 561s | no we know that that is the case too and |
| 564s | as Kieran said we're not looking to just |
| 566s | put out the same design there's a whole |
| 567s | load of changes and this is the first |
| 570s | step in looking at like a pre-approval |
| 573s | process in essence we're going to put |
| 575s | forward a new design with a survey we're |
| 577s | going to figure out whether or not it's |
| 578s | something that you even like enough for |
| 580s | us to Warrant reping it in the first |
| 582s | place so there's no guarantee that |
| 584s | whatever it is that we're going over |
| 585s | that we're going to share with you that |
| 586s | we're going to talk about today is even |
| 588s | going to get reped it will entirely |
| 590s | depend on how you all as a community |
| 592s | receive that updated design so I'll just |
| 595s | ask one nice one more time very nicely |
| 597s | let's hold off on the spam around no |
| 599s | means no we get it let's maybe talk |
| 601s | about things that we can actually give |
| 602s | more feedback on and uh and help answer |
| 605s | more questions but if you want to spam |
| 607s | like feel free I can't stop you from |
| 608s | doing that if that's how you enjoy your |
| 609s | evening then you know what all the B to |
| 612s | you I'll let you guys cook but first |
| 614s | question what were the aims of the |
| 616s | initial rafall design and how do you |
| 619s | think the initial proposal was trying to |
| 620s | achieve those aims let's try and get a |
| 622s | little bit of fundamental understanding |
| 624s | where we were coming |
| 625s | from so I started to allude to it a |
| 627s | little bit but one of the problems we've |
| 630s | had with a lot of these PVP pieces of |
| 632s | content and people will obviously site |
| 635s | the Zombie Chaos pirate stuff as a big |
| 639s | contentious a big pool of contention |
| 642s | around Bots Al the amount of alchemy it |
| 646s | worries about the economy how easy it |
| 648s | was to obtain really fast gold |
| 650s | generation it was difficult to even kill |
| 652s | the Bots like there's all those sort of |
| 653s | concerns is one |
| 655s | thing another concern is this aspect of |
| 660s | feeling forced to go into the Wilderness |
| 661s | mixing pvm not wanting to feel like |
| 664s | you're a luk |
| 666s | pinata and we try to come up with a |
| 668s | design that we feel |
| 670s | like try to not do those that might |
| 673s | sound weird at first but let me let me |
| 675s | expand |
| 677s | so we intentionally limited the amount |
| 680s | of Worlds and spawns because we wanted |
| 684s | to be unequivocally clear that you |
| 687s | cannot avoid PVP |
| 690s | like if there's imagine imagine if it |
| 692s | was more extreme one world one spawn a |
| 695s | day like we're going for to try and be |
| 697s | inspired by breaches and dead man but it |
| 700s | would bring everybody to the same place |
| 702s | the idea being pvps would come together |
| 705s | it would naturally spawn maybe a bit |
| 706s | more organically Clan V Clan fights that |
| 709s | sort of thing especially when it spawns |
| 711s | in |
| 713s | multi we weren't aiming it at pvmers so |
| 716s | we've heard obviously a lot of people |
| 718s | say as a pvm I don't want to go into the |
| 720s | Wilderness but like ultimately we |
| 721s | weren't actually aiming at pvmers we |
| 723s | were aiming to give content that pvpers |
| 727s | themselves would go and engage in in |
| 729s | order to get in PvP fights and stuff as |
| 731s | well so that that was part of it that's |
| 734s | also why the rewards are trying to lean |
| 736s | towards stuff that pvmers wouldn't be |
| 738s | interested in now I think it's fair to |
| 740s | say we've misunderstood that and have a |
| 743s | and have a gauge with something that's |
| 745s | wrong there there's enough pvmers want |
| 748s | to be able to kill the new boss it's |
| 749s | exciting oh my God a cool worm boss I |
| 751s | want to go fight it there's an innate |
| 753s | desire to take take part even if it |
| 756s | isn't aimed at pvm as necessarily |
| 758s | directly there's enough other reasons as |
| 760s | well combat achievements collection logs |
| 762s | like whatever else that they always |
| 764s | going to be pvms with an interest and |
| 766s | taking part of it and it and it also |
| 769s | always feels bad to feel like you're |
| 771s | potentially excluded from a piece of |
| 772s | content too so that's one big part of it |
| 776s | the other thing with Bots and Alchemy |
| 779s | economy |
| 780s | is limiting the spawns also makes that |
| 782s | basically impossible you know if Bots |
| 785s | turn up well damn right they're not |
| 786s | going to get away with it there's going |
| 788s | to be other people there other people |
| 790s | will able to kill them other people will |
| 791s | be able to get a better you know do more |
| 793s | damage to the boss and the bot will not |
| 795s | do very well so by very nature of its |
| 797s | design it's less dependent on bot |
| 800s | detection and just sort of excludes bots |
| 803s | in the first place |
| 805s | so that was also something we were |
| 807s | trying to compete with um this led us |
| 810s | down this path um cuz ultimately we |
| 813s | don't really see it as viable to say hey |
| 816s | the boss is around on every single game |
| 818s | world every five minutes like every |
| 820s | other boss we we want it to feel |
| 822s | different we want it to be this world |
| 824s | boss feeling thing where lots of people |
| 826s | come together um and as I say because |
| 828s | lots of people are coming together you |
| 830s | have to go prepared for PVP it's not |
| 833s | something you can go into like like like |
| 836s | veon or venon turn up ready for pvm just |
| 839s | run away from the pvper you're almost |
| 841s | certainly going to have to take part in |
| 843s | PvP that was the intention um obviously |
| 846s | I'm not going to sit here and we're not |
| 847s | trying to defend it we're trying to just |
| 849s | give you an idea of where it came from |
| 851s | why we decided to pitch in that way and |
| 854s | it genuinely wasn't an intention to |
| 857s | create like a fear of missing out style |
| 861s | update that goes into the reward system |
| 864s | and ultimately what you don't |
| 866s | necessarily see at this early in the |
| 868s | process is |
| 870s | the balancing of the rewards the and how |
| 872s | many teeth you would need combat |
| 874s | achievements would have been really |
| 875s | simple collection log would have been |
| 877s | literally one kill to get the teeth and |
| 879s | that would have been it so there's a lot |
| 881s | of execution stuff to do right so it |
| 883s | doesn't feel like a sort of Fe missing |
| 886s | out I have to log in every day sort of |
| 888s | thing um anyway yeah I've I've made a |
| 891s | lot of points it's maybe a bit jumbled |
| 894s | um we're trying to create a picture of |
| 896s | why we thought this was the right |
| 898s | approach |
| 901s | cool thank you Karen I think you did a |
| 903s | really good job of covering just the |
| 905s | yeah the fundamentals of of what it was |
| 907s | that we were doing and why obviously |
| 909s | that's not in relation to what we're |
| 910s | going to be proposing as the new design |
| 913s | a lot of that and those uh issues that |
| 915s | Kieran has highlighted that we realize |
| 917s | now are going to have been resolved so |
| 920s | um make sure that we don't confuse that |
| 922s | with what the new proposal is trying to |
| 924s | achieve yeah but going back to the old |
| 927s | proposal now uh you know I mentioned at |
| 929s | start of the call it's one of the worst |
| 931s | um fairing Poes that we've had in a very |
| 934s | long time in in all of old school's |
| 936s | history in fact uh so it failed pretty |
| 939s | catastrophically and after now seeing |
| 941s | the results and the feedback from |
| 943s | players why do you think graph more |
| 945s | failed the poll and I'll I'll happily |
| 946s | jump in as well in a few points so you |
| 948s | don't have to just chat all the way on |
| 950s | your |
| 951s | own I you mentioned the the vast |
| 954s | majority of it but |
| 956s | um firstly we know there's problems the |
| 959s | design because PVP content does pass |
| 962s | polls I don't want to say unilaterally |
| 963s | that the community constantly vote no to |
| 966s | PVP because it that's not the case we |
| 969s | have seen things go through polls so |
| 971s | that is legit issues here um time |
| 975s | getting in for you're missing out you |
| 976s | know I've mentioned it plenty already I |
| 978s | think that's the number one major |
| 981s | problem there's concerns around Clans |
| 984s | and potentially locking these spawns |
| 985s | down and being able to take advantage |
| 987s | out of it that is more so a concern |
| 989s | conern because of how many how few |
| 991s | spawns there |
| 993s | are there's worry about how long it'll |
| 995s | take to get the rewards obviously that |
| 997s | is exacerbated by the time gating you |
| 999s | know if if it if it's say a thousand |
| 1001s | teeth and you get 10 teeth a day it's a |
| 1003s | 100 days of doing it I'm just making |
| 1005s | numbers up but that would be the worry |
| 1006s | it's a long-term commitment you have to |
| 1008s | keep |
| 1009s | doing um and then we're going into sort |
| 1012s | of the forced into the Wilderness sort |
| 1014s | of thing if you're a pvm you don't want |
| 1016s | to engage in PvP but you feel like you |
| 1018s | want to get these new Rewards you want |
| 1019s | to engage in rathmore you feel compelled |
| 1022s | that you almost have to go and do it and |
| 1025s | to some extent it's true if you want to |
| 1027s | get your collection log you're GNA have |
| 1028s | to go and kill at least one you had to |
| 1030s | get your combat achievements which |
| 1032s | probably would have been it' probably be |
| 1033s | pretty simple but you'd have to go and |
| 1035s | engage with it to some extent |
| 1038s | um there's concerns that the proposed |
| 1040s | rewards would just make it easier for p |
| 1043s | peakers to to kill you that you |
| 1046s | essentially you're becoming a loot pin |
| 1048s | and all this system are just driving it |
| 1050s | in a way that pvpers will find it easier |
| 1052s | and easier to just turn you into |
| 1055s | Loot and and some players feel like |
| 1059s | ultimately PVP and pvm just doesn't |
| 1062s | really mix like it's it's Troublesome |
| 1064s | and it's not just a rathmore point that |
| 1067s | it has issues across other pvm content |
| 1069s | in the wilderness already um it's not |
| 1072s | the first time we've heard the the loop |
| 1073s | Pata forced to go to the worldy kind of |
| 1076s | kind of arguments this has been present |
| 1077s | for many of the other pieces we've put |
| 1079s | there as |
| 1082s | well yeah definitely I think that one is |
| 1085s | very was very prevalent with wrath more |
| 1087s | in the feedback that we saw obviously |
| 1089s | all of the points you raised we saw a |
| 1091s | lot of conversation around but there |
| 1093s | were so many posts that I saw and people |
| 1095s | commenting around not wanting to be the |
| 1097s | the loop pinatas and that's where I'd |
| 1099s | really want to understand which is what |
| 1100s | we're aiming to do with this new |
| 1102s | proposal we have a survey that's going |
| 1103s | to ask around General Wilderness |
| 1105s | questions and PVP as opposed to |
| 1107s | specifically to rathmore but it yeah |
| 1110s | it's trying to understand like where |
| 1111s | that feeling comes from and I think we |
| 1113s | we have a good enough idea already right |
| 1115s | it's like you've mentioned collection |
| 1116s | log combat achievements and if the |
| 1118s | rewards are useful outside of the |
| 1120s | Wilderness then people are going to feel |
| 1121s | a need to to to have them but if we were |
| 1124s | able to combat those really easily would |
| 1126s | people still feel like that that they |
| 1128s | have to go and experience this content I |
| 1131s | would love to know if there is a point |
| 1133s | that we could get to where Wilderness |
| 1134s | content that is very specifically for |
| 1136s | people who like being in the wilderness |
| 1139s | is accepted by those who don't care |
| 1141s | about the Wilderness because they don't |
| 1142s | need to go there um there there's so |
| 1146s | much Nuance with those like you know how |
| 1148s | do you feel Kieran if we were to |
| 1149s | introduce new content in the wilderness |
| 1150s | moving forward that didn't have any |
| 1152s | combat achievements or that the rewards |
| 1154s | weren't in the collection log because I |
| 1156s | think generally speaking that sounds |
| 1158s | weird it doesn't sound right given that |
| 1161s | every item pretty much is in the |
| 1162s | collection log and these would have |
| 1164s | rewards so even if it was a PVP only |
| 1167s | item we still have to add it to the club |
| 1169s | collection log right do you see a world |
| 1170s | where we could get around that and and |
| 1172s | make even more exceptions to to not |
| 1174s | allow it or is this just something that |
| 1176s | we have to make sure that you know |
| 1178s | collection loggers if you are a |
| 1180s | collection logger if you are looking to |
| 1181s | quote unquote complete the game then you |
| 1184s | have to engage in all aspects of content |
| 1185s | that's |
| 1186s | available yeah I mean I think as you |
| 1191s | said it sounds weird but I think almost |
| 1192s | the first step is we want to get a |
| 1195s | better understanding from from you guys |
| 1197s | the community on why you feel compelled |
| 1201s | or forced to go and partake in this |
| 1204s | content that's that's one thing and |
| 1206s | there's probably lots of |
| 1208s | reasons presumably to some extent combat |
| 1210s | achievements in collection log do play a |
| 1213s | role but I'm sure it's more than just |
| 1214s | that as well and and maybe some of it's |
| 1216s | almost just emotional like you want to |
| 1218s | play the content um because you like the |
| 1221s | idea of fighting a giant wor boss and |
| 1224s | that itself makes you feel bad about it |
| 1226s | but we need to understand that I'd be |
| 1229s | willing to consider it but you you're |
| 1231s | right it does sound weird why isn't this |
| 1233s | thing I can collect on my collection log |
| 1235s | it should be inclusive of everything um |
| 1238s | think com achiev not being included |
| 1240s | probably is |
| 1241s | fine it feels easier to do that you can |
| 1244s | there's plenty of things in game that |
| 1246s | you can kill that don't have achievement |
| 1248s | associated with it in fact yeah you know |
| 1250s | part of the design is the B isn't |
| 1252s | exactly meant to be much of a challenge |
| 1253s | right in of itself because the challenge |
| 1255s | comes from the PVP activity that's |
| 1258s | likely happening while the mechanics of |
| 1259s | the boss are largely straightforward |
| 1262s | these are I think it's it is more |
| 1264s | justifiable to avoid combat achievements |
| 1267s | um but yeah I I do think we need to |
| 1270s | understand if you're a pvm who has |
| 1272s | little interest in ever participating in |
| 1274s | PvP what is your feeling towards |
| 1277s | rathmore do you feel forced do you do |
| 1280s | you can you do you feel like you can |
| 1281s | just happily ignore it and go about your |
| 1283s | life and not care about it like that's |
| 1286s | what we want to understand and get a |
| 1288s | more nuanced understanding of of why cuz |
| 1291s | ultimately we want to provide something |
| 1293s | that is aimed at |
| 1295s | pvpers that they can take part in and |
| 1297s | other people can happily not take part |
| 1299s | in if they don't want to so we need to |
| 1301s | understand that because to me that's |
| 1304s | that's the route there's people who want |
| 1305s | to go in the wilderness and maybe enjoy |
| 1306s | it and there's plenty who don't and we |
| 1309s | don't really want to encourage the |
| 1311s | people who don't to go |
| 1314s | there oh that is very true I know that |
| 1316s | there's |
| 1317s | a I'm trying to figure out a way that I |
| 1319s | word this without sounding extremely uh |
| 1322s | extremely bad but there is a there's a |
| 1325s | lot of commentary a lot of speculation |
| 1328s | and understandably so from the player |
| 1330s | base that you |
| 1333s | know I think I'm just going to stop just |
| 1336s | in case because um yeah I I I don't know |
| 1341s | it's the you know like we they believe |
| 1345s | that we we are trying to force them in |
| 1347s | right and that we want people to be |
| 1348s | looping yter to bring in more pvpers but |
| 1352s | it's just not true there are obviously |
| 1355s | examples of where you could be |
| 1357s | incentivized to go to a piece of content |
| 1359s | because it's more rewarding but the way |
| 1362s | that we're we're doing it is that we're |
| 1364s | presenting you a choice and you can |
| 1366s | choose to take more risk to get more |
| 1368s | reward versus other content that might |
| 1370s | have higher requirements but lower risk |
| 1373s | for similar reward or lower requirements |
| 1375s | or similar requirements and no risk for |
| 1378s | for lower level of reward so we we don't |
| 1381s | sit together in a room and say we're |
| 1383s | going to make this content because we |
| 1385s | know it's going to attract 40% of the |
| 1387s | player base into it and that's going to |
| 1389s | make us get this many more pkers into it |
| 1391s | afterwards which is going to give us |
| 1392s | this much membership we're just looking |
| 1394s | to design cool content that is relevant |
| 1396s | to the people who will like it and |
| 1398s | sometimes we miss the mark whether it's |
| 1400s | PVP pvm Skilling like we don't always |
| 1402s | get it right every single time but there |
| 1404s | is No Malice there I think is what I'm |
| 1406s | trying to say it may come across that |
| 1409s | that that you know we are looking to |
| 1410s | bring in people as loot patas but |
| 1412s | genuinely the intention pretty much all |
| 1415s | the time is to just create cool content |
| 1417s | that people will enjoy that gives you a |
| 1419s | choice |
| 1420s | and Wilderness content with the fact |
| 1423s | that has PVP inherently is more risky so |
| 1425s | you can have more reward so I I guess by |
| 1427s | a roundabout way we are essentially |
| 1430s | making people loot pinatas but we're not |
| 1432s | doing it with intent it's just byproduct |
| 1435s | of design yeah that being said there are |
| 1437s | ways that we can potentially avoid it |
| 1439s | there right Karan you've you've |
| 1440s | highlighted that we are looking to get |
| 1442s | around that I think one of the things |
| 1444s | that we learned from Undead Pirates was |
| 1446s | around reward space and that heavily |
| 1449s | alal items just don't they they don't |
| 1452s | feel great being in the wilderness |
| 1454s | because Bad actors are more incentivized |
| 1456s | to then partake so rthm More's IDE |
| 1458s | ideology was to have unique rewards that |
| 1461s | would be usable in PvP I think one of |
| 1463s | the things that we maybe got wrong there |
| 1464s | was that they could have seen some use |
| 1467s | outside of PVP even though other items |
| 1469s | would categorically be better that |
| 1471s | already exist in the game but given the |
| 1474s | fact that some people might want to use |
| 1475s | it as a you know like a a a stop Gap |
| 1478s | like a bridging item um meant that yeah |
| 1481s | okay fair enough but we didn't want to |
| 1483s | have loads of alol so we need to have |
| 1485s | unique items as rewards if we don't have |
| 1487s | uniques as rewards then the only |
| 1489s | alternative that we have is GP per hour |
| 1491s | and GP per hour then incentivize people |
| 1493s | that aren't typically there to enjoy the |
| 1494s | content they're looking to make money to |
| 1496s | then do other things with it instead |
| 1498s | right whether that's selling it off or |
| 1500s | or using it for for their own accounts |
| 1502s | so it's a it's a really fine line for us |
| 1505s | to balance but I think that the updated |
| 1507s | design does a really good job of |
| 1508s | covering the key points um I've yapped a |
| 1511s | load so unless you want to add anything |
| 1513s | more to this I'm going to go to the next |
| 1515s | question yeah I mean the only thing I'd |
| 1517s | say is like you I think you're spot on |
| 1519s | right Our intention is not to cause you |
| 1522s | to be luk Pata but we realized that |
| 1525s | might be the consequence of the design |
| 1527s | anyhow um so you know we don't we don't |
| 1532s | want to we don't want the players to |
| 1533s | think it's Our intention cuz it's not we |
| 1536s | want you to help us avoid that and give |
| 1538s | us feedback that moves us in a direction |
| 1540s | that avoids that with the design and I |
| 1543s | can expand a little bit in a completely |
| 1545s | separate example the Wilderness Altar |
| 1547s | for prayer in my eyes it's overtuned I'm |
| 1551s | not saying we're going to Nerf it but to |
| 1554s | me it's balanced so strongly that even |
| 1558s | if you don't like the whole risk reward |
| 1559s | balance of going into the |
| 1561s | Wilderness it feels like it's a complete |
| 1565s | waste of your time to go and use a house |
| 1567s | alter or the EPO fundus or whatever else |
| 1571s | like it's just too strong and so to me |
| 1573s | it's like if that Alo is a little bit |
| 1575s | less it actually becomes a little bit |
| 1577s | more of a tradeoff right like if it's |
| 1580s | let's say it's 1.5 times better XP than |
| 1584s | will than using your house I might |
| 1585s | actually just say I'll pay the extra |
| 1586s | bones and do it chill in the house but |
| 1589s | because it's so much stronger it's like |
| 1590s | people who don't want to take part in |
| 1592s | Wilderness content are still coming to |
| 1594s | the Altar and so I think it's a lot of a |
| 1597s | simpler example because there isn't a |
| 1599s | collection log there's no combat |
| 1601s | achievements there's no other there's no |
| 1602s | gold generation it's purely XP oriented |
| 1605s | so there's less variables to consider |
| 1609s | but it is something we need to be keep |
| 1611s | an eye on when we when we balance these |
| 1613s | pieces of content and get them right but |
| 1616s | it just why would anyone go to a world |
| 1618s | this piece of content if it's not |
| 1620s | offering GP per hour that sort |
| 1623s | of exceeds what you can get elsewhere in |
| 1627s | the regular game risk- free so we need |
| 1629s | to work that out anyway we can move on |
| 1632s | to the next question |
| 1633s | is cool thank you Karen I appreciate it |
| 1636s | I'm just going crazy with chat here so |
| 1638s | I'm glad that you are chatting uh okay |
| 1640s | so let's talk a little bit around fomo |
| 1643s | fear of missing out time gated content |
| 1646s | historically you know we've not want to |
| 1648s | add things like evil trees the original |
| 1651s | version of shooting stars we made a lot |
| 1653s | of changes to shooting stars and we |
| 1654s | added it um penguin H hunting and you |
| 1657s | know other distractions and diversion |
| 1659s | content for years now to avoid fomo so |
| 1662s | why did we feel rfh Moore was different |
| 1664s | from |
| 1667s | these it's because we were looking at |
| 1669s | what worked for the breaches in dead man |
| 1671s | as firstly and the thing we liked about |
| 1674s | that was it gave a moment to log on with |
| 1677s | your other PVP friends and go to the |
| 1679s | content you created a big spiky moment |
| 1682s | where like all the pvpers almost came |
| 1684s | together and you had some mad scenario |
| 1687s | with various you know who knows what |
| 1688s | could happen that's kind of the point |
| 1690s | like the strongest parts of the |
| 1692s | Wilderness is like who knows what could |
| 1693s | happen PVP is the sort of only part of |
| 1696s | the game where that can really be the |
| 1698s | case we wanted to create that right you |
| 1700s | bring everybody together crazy things |
| 1702s | can happen |
| 1704s | um it it wasn't with the intention of of |
| 1708s | fomo in the same way that like uh evil |
| 1710s | trees shooting stars penguin hunting and |
| 1713s | so on like D and D content would be in |
| 1715s | their original forms but it is the |
| 1719s | result anyway in terms of obviously |
| 1720s | clearly how it's been received um but it |
| 1724s | yeah as I say difference between |
| 1725s | intention and consequences of what's |
| 1728s | happened um we didn't intend to create |
| 1730s | this thing that would make you feel |
| 1731s | compelled to log on every day but it is |
| 1734s | the result of how the Design's being |
| 1736s | interpreted and so we need to deal with |
| 1738s | that and adjust |
| 1741s | it fair thank you Kieran all right one |
| 1744s | that I'll kick off with and then ask you |
| 1745s | to add in afterwards so despite the |
| 1747s | initial poll results uh do we believe |
| 1750s | there are aspects of the proposal for |
| 1751s | rfh Moore that players liked um and I'll |
| 1754s | you know add in that to start with from |
| 1757s | the survey that we put out regarding rfh |
| 1759s | Moore it was very clear to us that |
| 1762s | players generally seem on board with the |
| 1764s | idea of a sporadic World boss at least |
| 1767s | um you know that means a which is |
| 1769s | scarcely encountered to condense players |
| 1771s | there who then take it on together um we |
| 1774s | obviously understand though that on the |
| 1775s | flip side players are much less |
| 1778s | enthusiastic about this Prospect when |
| 1780s | P's are thrown into the mix um but saw a |
| 1784s | different amount of potential there you |
| 1785s | know there's clearly a demand for a |
| 1787s | world boss we knew that before we even |
| 1789s | went into designing rmore in the first |
| 1791s | place so that wasn't um completely un uh |
| 1795s | you know a surprise to us one of the |
| 1798s | other things as as well that I saw and |
| 1799s | I'm not saying this just because I'm a |
| 1801s | sh for the content and it just so |
| 1802s | happens to be the stream that we're on |
| 1803s | talking about it but you can see the |
| 1805s | same comments too if you to go check on |
| 1807s | socials but I was um surprised actually |
| 1811s | given how badly the poll was fairing |
| 1813s | because you know we saw as soon as the |
| 1814s | summit was over and the poll went live |
| 1816s | that it was very likely that it would it |
| 1818s | would fail by the end of the poll anyway |
| 1821s | but um I saw quite a lot of people |
| 1824s | saying |
| 1825s | that they didn't actually hate wrath |
| 1828s | more they just hated a lot of what rfal |
| 1830s | was trying to do so it it wasn't that |
| 1832s | they were against the idea of new |
| 1834s | content being added to the Wilderness it |
| 1836s | was just what rathmore was proposing in |
| 1838s | that design was not good for the game |
| 1840s | and that's because of the issues that |
| 1841s | we've already talked about the main |
| 1843s | points that people brought up you know |
| 1844s | time gating fomo locking down uh too |
| 1847s | long to get the rewards that the whole |
| 1850s | feeling they have forced um I think the |
| 1853s | the general comment was that I'm not |
| 1855s | voting no to um |
| 1859s | like rathmore as a concept I'm voting no |
| 1861s | to rathmore in its current design so |
| 1863s | that pilled me with a lot of confidence |
| 1865s | that we could come back with something |
| 1867s | new and different that would uh address |
| 1869s | those |
| 1871s | concerns and Karen did you have did you |
| 1873s | see anything else that you thought that |
| 1874s | players really liked about |
| 1878s | rmore the actual boss in terms of what |
| 1882s | it is as a worm and its design and |
| 1884s | everything it's really cool it's |
| 1887s | naturally inspired everyone think about |
| 1888s | having a desert worm and stuff and you |
| 1891s | know hey that's topical given the the |
| 1893s | the the big Dune movies we've had in the |
| 1895s | the recent years but um yeah I I think |
| 1898s | it's just a cool idea um I think there's |
| 1901s | a lot of questions you can also ask |
| 1902s | about how do you define what a world |
| 1904s | boss |
| 1905s | is is is gr a world boss you know it's |
| 1908s | on the it's on the surface world as much |
| 1910s | as the res instancing is that a world |
| 1912s | for I don't think so I think the kind of |
| 1914s | wording we're maybe getting at is it's |
| 1917s | for generous |
| 1919s | somewhat |
| 1920s | sporadically in that he's probably got |
| 1922s | slightly different spawn mechanics to |
| 1923s | how other bosses work and generally it |
| 1927s | should be fought in massive groups like |
| 1929s | compared to you know a small team of |
| 1931s | five or whatever so that's all it says |
| 1934s | and you know that can come in so many |
| 1935s | different forms there's a lot of variety |
| 1937s | of how we could set up spawn mechanics a |
| 1939s | lot of variety and you know how its |
| 1941s | mechanics might work the big questions |
| 1943s | for me when I've thought about world |
| 1944s | bosses generally is how does spawn |
| 1946s | Mechanics Work and how does the loot |
| 1948s | system work and we have to be |
| 1949s | experimental with those to find |
| 1951s | something that that works cuz those have |
| 1953s | been the points of |
| 1957s | contention yeah they have for |
| 1959s | sure okay we are blasting through these |
| 1962s | questions thankfully a lovely uh |
| 1964s | moderator team are getting some from the |
| 1966s | chat so if you have any questions for |
| 1967s | chat by the way at Old School RS post |
| 1969s | them in we'll try and get through as |
| 1971s | many as we can maybe we'll do a quick |
| 1972s | fire answer at the end of the the |
| 1975s | prepared ones that we have Karen um yeah |
| 1978s | another one that I'm just going to I'm |
| 1979s | going to take headon to begin with and |
| 1980s | feel free to just add in afterwards just |
| 1982s | because it's around polling but I |
| 1985s | there's been a lot in chat we already |
| 1986s | prepared this question because we knew |
| 1987s | it was going to be coming up so I think |
| 1988s | it's right that I just get to it now and |
| 1990s | that is that you know why are we as a |
| 1992s | team looking to move ahead of a reworked |
| 1995s | proposal and repo rather than scrapping |
| 1997s | ra more entirely I think it's a |
| 1999s | completely Justified question I think |
| 2001s | it's absolutely acceptable for players |
| 2003s | to be saying that and to be wondering |
| 2005s | why so hopefully I can do a good enough |
| 2007s | job of explaining this at the end of the |
| 2009s | day for us polling in Old School it lets |
| 2012s | us know what content you do and you |
| 2013s | don't want but it's also a great time |
| 2015s | for us to gather feedback and this goes |
| 2018s | both ways you know if content passes we |
| 2020s | can use that feedback to improve by |
| 2022s | understanding what changes you want to |
| 2023s | see and then when content fails it won't |
| 2027s | be added to the game right unless it's |
| 2028s | reped so we can use that same |
| 2031s | opportunity that we would gather |
| 2033s | feedback for improving updates that do |
| 2034s | pass to actually look at improving |
| 2036s | designs that we put forward and seeing |
| 2038s | if there's any reason why we'd want to |
| 2041s | consider reping filed content it's not |
| 2044s | completely unheard of but it's also not |
| 2046s | very common that we do it there are |
| 2048s | different reasons though as to why we |
| 2050s | would look at reping something and one |
| 2052s | of those is are there enough significant |
| 2055s | changes that we can make based off |
| 2057s | player feedback that would then warrant |
| 2059s | a r a repo based on it essentially being |
| 2061s | an entirely new design with a similar |
| 2064s | shared concept so ultimately what we |
| 2067s | want to do is is we are not looking to |
| 2070s | force rth Moore into the game we're not |
| 2072s | even looking to repol it right away what |
| 2074s | we want to do first is share a new |
| 2076s | design with you share a feedback survey |
| 2079s | start to understand how you feel about |
| 2082s | the idea of rth Moore in its new form |
| 2085s | where all of your hopefully at least all |
| 2087s | of your concerns are |
| 2089s | addressed rather than what you saw at |
| 2091s | the summit um and if you are happy with |
| 2095s | that if you feel like we've addressed |
| 2096s | all of your concerns then it's quite |
| 2097s | clear that there's a lot of support for |
| 2099s | the new design then we'll look to do a |
| 2101s | repol in the future otherwise you know |
| 2104s | if the redesign doesn't achieve that |
| 2105s | then we just leave it it's you know |
| 2107s | there's no point us reping something |
| 2108s | that we know that you don't like but we |
| 2110s | do genuinely believe that there were |
| 2113s | enough points that we could actually |
| 2114s | solve change and improve upon that would |
| 2117s | warrant us looking at it again you know |
| 2120s | that's the simple answer to it genuinely |
| 2122s | mod Goblin did a huge amount of work |
| 2124s | going through everyone's feedback to try |
| 2126s | and understand you know all the main |
| 2127s | points |
| 2129s | then the development team the design |
| 2130s | team have worked with Community to |
| 2133s | incorporate those into a new design as |
| 2135s | well um so a hugely collaborative effort |
| 2138s | and um one that didn't take a huge |
| 2141s | amount of time you know this is a few |
| 2143s | days after the summit we always spend |
| 2145s | the first week after the summit going |
| 2146s | through everyone's feedback in the |
| 2148s | community team and then sharing that |
| 2149s | with the design team that goes for for |
| 2151s | everything regardless whether it passes |
| 2152s | or fails because we want to know you |
| 2154s | know even if something failed even if we |
| 2155s | didn't relook at rth Moore we would have |
| 2157s | still done this exercise that we've done |
| 2159s | now so that if we ever looked at PVP |
| 2161s | content in the future we can use that as |
| 2163s | a basis to help with further design so |
| 2165s | we've not spent any extra work other |
| 2167s | than okay mod Goblin I'm really sorry I |
| 2169s | made you write another |
| 2170s | blog uh and the designers have had to |
| 2173s | talk a little bit you know in a few |
| 2174s | hours around New Designs but otherwise |
| 2176s | it's like a really quick and easy way |
| 2178s | for us to potentially actually have |
| 2179s | something really cool that has been |
| 2180s | worked on with you the player base as |
| 2183s | well um one last thing as well is that I |
| 2186s | just want to touch on um um actually |
| 2189s | never mind I |
| 2191s | will answer it in no I won't I'll answer |
| 2194s | it now the next question I probably |
| 2195s | could have answered this in but I'm |
| 2196s | going to do it anyway um I don't think |
| 2199s | the summit was a good place for rathmore |
| 2201s | in hindsight looking back there were it |
| 2205s | was way too ambitious to do it in terms |
| 2208s | of like a typical green light approach |
| 2210s | given how new it was and how many new |
| 2212s | mechanics it was adding potentially |
| 2214s | adding into the game like I'm not |
| 2215s | surprised that everyone kind of got a |
| 2218s | little bit spooked by it and were really |
| 2220s | overly cautious about what what was |
| 2222s | potentially coming with |
| 2223s | rmore ideally I think now looking back |
| 2226s | it would have been way better if we' had |
| 2228s | just put forward a design proposal |
| 2230s | without a poll question gathered |
| 2232s | everyone's thoughts and feedback then |
| 2234s | updated the design and then look to |
| 2236s | Greenlight it afterwards because you |
| 2238s | know obviously at the summit all you get |
| 2240s | is a small amount of time which for |
| 2242s | Content that you know is tried and |
| 2244s | tested is absolutely fine you know like |
| 2246s | a new raid we've got some pretty damn |
| 2248s | good new raids new bosses amazing new |
| 2251s | bosses there's a lot of confidence built |
| 2253s | up there in the delivery PVP we already |
| 2255s | know is a little bit contentious in the |
| 2256s | first place but then PvP with new |
| 2258s | mechanics on as well yeah I'd be pretty |
| 2260s | scared too so um yeah that's why we're |
| 2263s | looking to repol it we think that we |
| 2265s | could do a much better job of actually |
| 2266s | proposing something like it a load of |
| 2268s | changes to incorporate your feedback and |
| 2270s | then we'll see whether you like it and |
| 2272s | then potentially repol |
| 2275s | it yeah I we should have for blog and |
| 2278s | not poll and and give the community a |
| 2281s | chance to respond to that initial design |
| 2284s | with feedback before we even |
| 2286s | contemplated a Poland you know |
| 2287s | hindsights 2020 but it's something we |
| 2289s | can learn from and make sure the |
| 2291s | community has more chance to shape that |
| 2293s | original design than they did with |
| 2295s | rathmore because ultimately you found |
| 2297s | out about it you know an hour before the |
| 2300s | poll went out I didn't have a chance to |
| 2301s | tell us what was wrong with |
| 2303s | it yeah and by then it's too late we |
| 2306s | can't do anything anyway |
| 2309s | yeah cool all right so next question |
| 2312s | then with all of that in mind and I know |
| 2314s | you kind of gave a very top level |
| 2316s | overview first Ken maybe we can go into |
| 2318s | a few more specifics now but are you |
| 2320s | able to share any insights into how |
| 2322s | we're looking to approach changes to the |
| 2324s | proposal um if you want I can quickly |
| 2329s | blast through or or you can one of us |
| 2332s | can all of like the the main changes |
| 2334s | remember that feedback table that we had |
| 2336s | of like what rathmore had what s or |
| 2339s | something else |
| 2340s | has I've got the very early bullet |
| 2343s | points that mod Goblin shared um that I |
| 2347s | can start with because this is some of |
| 2348s | the earlier early thinking on on this |
| 2352s | but um so firstly we add a desert |
| 2356s | version of |
| 2357s | rathmore socalled sandmore so far I what |
| 2361s | it's called that in the end probably not |
| 2364s | I don't know but either way sand more |
| 2365s | for now you can all Spam sand more and |
| 2368s | that's the name that we're using in in |
| 2371s | design at the |
| 2373s | minute if we did sand more it would have |
| 2376s | a far higher spawn frequency but it |
| 2378s | might be essentially always there always |
| 2380s | on like a normal boss um and it would |
| 2383s | reward reward its own |
| 2386s | teeth those teeth could then in theory |
| 2389s | be used to create defensive |
| 2392s | items those defensive items could reduce |
| 2394s | the the damage you take from sandore |
| 2397s | even wrath Moore and help out in the |
| 2400s | wilderness too if you were then to go |
| 2402s | and kill the Wilderness version it could |
| 2405s | have a defensive PVP Focus as well these |
| 2407s | are the sort of things we're we're |
| 2409s | thinking about um on the rathmore side |
| 2412s | obviously rathmore itself would still |
| 2414s | exist too its spawn frequency would also |
| 2418s | go up from from what obviously we |
| 2420s | originally pitched um we would up the |
| 2424s | rate of teeth gain essentially make sure |
| 2426s | we're very considerate of how long it |
| 2427s | takes to get the rewards from |
| 2430s | rmore um we could also look to make |
| 2433s | rathmore only spawn in singles and not |
| 2435s | multi you know these are options we can |
| 2438s | consider um and we could also make |
| 2441s | rathmore deal more aggressive damage to |
| 2445s | scold players potentially so like it is |
| 2448s | a more harsh environment for somebody |
| 2450s | who's there to to attack the people |
| 2453s | killing rathmore so that's that's the |
| 2456s | list I have in front of me I don't know |
| 2457s | there's more I've missed on the other |
| 2459s | document |
| 2461s | is there's there's a fair amount in |
| 2463s | there I wonder if I just quick fire |
| 2465s | through each one individually and then |
| 2467s | we can chat about specifics afterwards |
| 2469s | chat are you ready I'm going to speedrun |
| 2471s | this okay I'm going to start with |
| 2473s | rathmore and then I'm going to go to |
| 2475s | sandmore and this is written this is |
| 2477s | taken directly from the blog that you're |
| 2478s | going to get next week so I'm sorry |
| 2480s | Goblin for stealing your thunder but it |
| 2482s | you know it's important information |
| 2484s | we're sharing out here okay so rathmore |
| 2486s | located in the wilderness s located in |
| 2488s | the desert WTH Moore would resurface 3 |
| 2490s | to 11 minutes after it's been defeated a |
| 2493s | number of Worlds that delay is to allow |
| 2495s | players to finish up any fights that |
| 2497s | might have broken out or restock before |
| 2499s | going to the next uh the next kill but |
| 2502s | again a massive difference right three |
| 2503s | to 11 minutes for rmore to resurface |
| 2505s | versus the three spawns a day means that |
| 2507s | it's essentially always on on the flip |
| 2509s | side sanmore would resurface every 1 to |
| 2512s | three minutes after it's been defeated |
| 2513s | on a number of dedicated worlds as well |
| 2515s | so it would be respawning way faster |
| 2517s | than it was before for uh for rathmore |
| 2519s | spawns in a variety of locations uh one |
| 2521s | of those would be dedicated to so one |
| 2525s | world sorry would be dedicated to |
| 2527s | multicombat spawns while all of the |
| 2529s | other worlds would then be dedicated to |
| 2530s | single combat spawns only so if you're |
| 2533s | looking for multic combat as a pvper you |
| 2535s | go to the multi combat world and if |
| 2537s | you're looking for a more single |
| 2538s | orientated fight against rmore you can |
| 2540s | go to the singles only world so you can |
| 2542s | choose basically how you want to fight |
| 2545s | and who you want to be fighting for |
| 2546s | sanmore it would just spawn in a variety |
| 2548s | of random locations throughout the |
| 2550s | desert um both bosses would have a |
| 2552s | really big Health pool but rmore would |
| 2554s | have a much higher hit pool than sandore |
| 2557s | would just because it's inherently meant |
| 2559s | to be riskier it's in the wilderness um |
| 2561s | and then for rewards nowhere near |
| 2563s | finished and to make sure it's |
| 2565s | absolutely clear these are just ideas |
| 2567s | ideas need be to be validated and it's |
| 2569s | your job to validate them with us but |
| 2571s | for wrath we'd be looking at rewards |
| 2573s | that would provide an offensive Focus |
| 2574s | that only work in PvP worlds or |
| 2576s | Wilderness scenarios basically like how |
| 2578s | blighted items do currently so the |
| 2580s | example would be an amulet of Wrath |
| 2582s | which has the same status as an amulet |
| 2584s | of Glory but it has an extra 15% damage |
| 2586s | bonus against rathmore um so there's |
| 2590s | that not against other people just |
| 2591s | rathmore and then for sand more we would |
| 2594s | provide rods s of a defensive Focus so |
| 2596s | the example that we've got here is the |
| 2598s | Amulet of sand which has defensive stats |
| 2601s | equivalent to an amulet of Fury but with |
| 2603s | no offensive stats and then it provides |
| 2605s | a reduction to damage taken from rmore |
| 2608s | and sandmore and other players if you're |
| 2611s | in the vicinity of ivory of the worms so |
| 2613s | you get this amulet from sandmore you |
| 2615s | want to go to wrath Moore you're now |
| 2616s | taking less damage from wrath Moore and |
| 2618s | less damage from players whilst you're |
| 2619s | next to WTH Moore as well kind of like |
| 2622s | we're really trying to figure out like |
| 2624s | you know what could work for different |
| 2625s | people here and reasons why if you did |
| 2627s | want to then venture out into the |
| 2628s | Wilderness version you'd have something |
| 2629s | that would potentially uh help you out |
| 2632s | um again just ideas so in terms of of |
| 2635s | rewards um the reward space was changed |
| 2638s | slightly as well because the bosses are |
| 2640s | now going to spawn more frequently we |
| 2641s | need to give a little bit less in terms |
| 2643s | of rewards so the top 30 players who |
| 2645s | dealt the most damage would get rewarded |
| 2648s | um that's for both rathmore and sanmore |
| 2651s | rathmore would drop rth Moore's teeth |
| 2652s | sanmore drops sandor's teeth rathmore is |
| 2655s | like the rthm Mor's teeth would be the |
| 2657s | only item on the collection log that is |
| 2658s | one of the changes that we are looking |
| 2660s | to do so we spoke about it a little bit |
| 2662s | earlier is it weird to have items off |
| 2664s | the collection log you tell us we would |
| 2666s | put rmos on there but the other unique |
| 2668s | rewards maybe wouldn't be on the |
| 2670s | collection log um for rathmore only the |
| 2672s | sandore ones we we really want to try |
| 2674s | and understand you know what actually |
| 2676s | helps make you feel less forced into |
| 2679s | Into the Wilderness with this one so |
| 2680s | we're just going out there of all the |
| 2681s | ideas and you can let us know basically |
| 2684s | um yeah and then otherwise the only of |
| 2687s | the things really is that like some of |
| 2689s | the rewards that would drop um from |
| 2691s | rathmore would require Revenant ether to |
| 2693s | activate but it wouldn't consume them |
| 2696s | like a traditional charge base Sy system |
| 2697s | would it's just to literally activate |
| 2699s | them and that's to help give us a little |
| 2700s | bit of monetary value when players die |
| 2702s | with these items on so if pkers are |
| 2704s | fighting using two rathmore items |
| 2706s | someone's going to make sure they're |
| 2707s | guaranteed to get some money and that is |
| 2710s | 75% of that effort that was put in there |
| 2712s | given back to them but to use the items |
| 2714s | no upkeep so reduce the need for you to |
| 2716s | consistently going back to get ether or |
| 2718s | teeth or whatever else um for sandore |
| 2722s | items there would be um there would be |
| 2726s | no kind of like ation charge but you |
| 2729s | would uh you would lose the item on |
| 2732s | death in PvP so you would essentially |
| 2735s | the item would just disappear um again |
| 2737s | that's just a general idea right now a |
| 2739s | concept we can change that just let us |
| 2740s | know how you think about it uh and then |
| 2743s | I think lastly it's just like uh |
| 2744s | rathmore would look to drop some blotted |
| 2746s | supplies to help with supply cost and |
| 2748s | sanmore would look at a small amount of |
| 2750s | supplies but nowhere near as rthm more |
| 2752s | because it's going to be a lot easier so |
| 2754s | I think that is pretty much the majority |
| 2756s | of the changes uh much faster respawns |
| 2759s | revised rewards entirely two different |
| 2762s | versions of the boss one PVP one pvm um |
| 2769s | yeah I think that addresses most of the |
| 2772s | the major concerns people have had and |
| 2775s | obviously the community you will be the |
| 2777s | judge of whether it does and I'm sure |
| 2780s | you'll go through the blog with a fine |
| 2782s | tooth com give us your feedback give us |
| 2783s | your |
| 2784s | thoughts if we like if you like it |
| 2786s | amazing |
| 2788s | if you don't sure we we'll we'll |
| 2790s | obviously listen and and pay attention |
| 2792s | to how that |
| 2796s | goes nice one thank you Kieran I lost |
| 2799s | where I was in terms of |
| 2801s | questions uh oh okay here we go |
| 2804s | um before we go into the next question I |
| 2807s | do want to ask actually have you taken |
| 2810s | any learnings from The wathore Proposal |
| 2812s | that extend beyond the pitch itself |
| 2818s | um I mentioned the thing about blogging |
| 2820s | it and pulling it and letting the |
| 2821s | community help shape a design before we |
| 2823s | just go straight into a major gigle with |
| 2825s | it that's one thing um that's less about |
| 2828s | the design of it that's more about the |
| 2831s | more about how we frame it and how we |
| 2833s | talk to players which which is a big |
| 2835s | part of it because ultimately to me the |
| 2837s | way we work with players essentially |
| 2840s | means we should always be quite safe in |
| 2843s | terms of if we put out a bad design |
| 2845s | obviously players tell us it's bad and |
| 2847s | we can correct it that's that's useful |
| 2849s | it's very useful for us um to design |
| 2852s | itself I mean it's the weight the weight |
| 2856s | of feeling |
| 2859s | around chore Escape daily Escape fear |
| 2863s | missing out that makes it unequivocally |
| 2866s | clear that that is something we will |
| 2868s | avoid in basically all future content |
| 2871s | now for what it's worth we put in some |
| 2875s | game design pillars at the start of this |
| 2877s | year that features in it it already did |
| 2880s | and has done for for a while this is |
| 2883s | something that I would actually be Keen |
| 2885s | to talk to players at some point about |
| 2887s | about what those pillars are but it is |
| 2889s | something we know now that it's |
| 2890s | absolutely right to be there and will |
| 2894s | keep that tightly in mind and know you |
| 2895s | mentioned Penguins earlier e there's a |
| 2898s | lot of nostalgia for like the penguin |
| 2900s | hide and seek thing |
| 2902s | that part of me is like how could we |
| 2905s | actually do something based on the |
| 2906s | penguin hideand-seek thing but |
| 2909s | completely avoid the weekly aspect of it |
| 2912s | and I I don't really know an answer to |
| 2914s | that question at all um I don't want a |
| 2917s | big weekly activity you can do just get |
| 2918s | a free chunk of XP I don't think that's |
| 2921s | right but I like the idea of how the |
| 2923s | community came together to find the |
| 2924s | Penguins so it's like how do you combine |
| 2927s | the two I think that's the major thing |
| 2929s | I'm taking away from |
| 2931s | that the other takeaways I think are |
| 2933s | still to be determined to some extent we |
| 2936s | need to think deeply around how |
| 2938s | Wilderness content works and those are |
| 2941s | the learnings we need to take and think |
| 2943s | about how we offer content to pvpers in |
| 2946s | the |
| 2946s | wilderness and how we balance those how |
| 2950s | we make sure it's not luring the wrong |
| 2951s | people there and so on there's a lot to |
| 2953s | think about and it to be perfectly |
| 2955s | honest and transparent I don't think we |
| 2958s | necessarily know those answers yet um we |
| 2962s | understand the criticism rthm Mo's got |
| 2963s | and we're trying to listen to that with |
| 2964s | our new pitch but and a more broad level |
| 2969s | like what do we do to the Wilderness |
| 2970s | next year or in two years time there's |
| 2973s | plenty of Concepts and ideas but how we |
| 2978s | understand how we structure them and so |
| 2980s | on I think we need to give a lot of |
| 2982s | thought to that topic and obviously it's |
| 2986s | clear that this kind of approach of |
| 2988s | trying to sort of aim it squarely at PVP |
| 2991s | is spiked PVP traffic isn't the one um |
| 2995s | which we were we were thinking that |
| 2996s | might be a good way to go so lots of |
| 2999s | different ideas I think it's not an easy |
| 3001s | design space to aim for we've certainly |
| 3003s | struggled with it um and I think we need |
| 3006s | to research more and understand how |
| 3008s | players think about these topics so yeah |
| 3012s | maybe not an exact learning just yet but |
| 3015s | there's there's obviously learnings to |
| 3016s | still pull out of this that we it's |
| 3018s | still early at the end of the day it's |
| 3019s | just |
| 3020s | happened but but yeah lots lots to |
| 3024s | digest lots to take away don't know if |
| 3026s | you've got any from a CM |
| 3028s | perspective I think you covered most of |
| 3030s | it Kieran I mean to be completely fair I |
| 3033s | think most of the |
| 3036s | um points that I seen players raise were |
| 3038s | things that we had expected to see in |
| 3040s | the CM team anyway with rafal's proposal |
| 3043s | like we knew that it was kind of out |
| 3044s | there we knew that there was a lot going |
| 3045s | on to it um you know I said earlier I |
| 3048s | wasn't surprised to see so many people |
| 3050s | kind of like dislike it but that's why |
| 3053s | we have the polling systems that we kind |
| 3054s | of look at just putting things out there |
| 3056s | seeing people's reaction and then |
| 3057s | figuring out what we want to do next I |
| 3059s | think one of the biggest learnings for |
| 3061s | me is that they still quite clear it's |
| 3063s | not a new learning it's just reinforcing |
| 3066s | what was already known but it's still |
| 3068s | it's very clear there's still a large |
| 3069s | portion of the community that have this |
| 3071s | feeling Force going into the Wilderness |
| 3072s | kind of thing despite us trying to |
| 3075s | design content that isn't intending to |
| 3077s | do that by by Nature it might be by you |
| 3080s | know product of it just being in the |
| 3082s | game it does that in any way and that's |
| 3084s | something that I want to try and um |
| 3087s | focus on moving forward how do we avoid |
| 3089s | that how do we make sure that everyone |
| 3091s | feels okay with content being added |
| 3093s | because you know at the end of the day |
| 3094s | we are going to be looking at designing |
| 3097s | PVP content consistently moving forward |
| 3099s | it's one of the things that we committed |
| 3101s | to a few years ago when PVP had no love |
| 3103s | for like four or five years it would |
| 3105s | just be the same as if suddenly you know |
| 3106s | there was a lot of um dissatisfaction |
| 3109s | towards Iron Man updates where we're not |
| 3111s | going to stop doing Iron Man updates |
| 3112s | because Iron Man updates are important |
| 3114s | to the game there's a lot of people that |
| 3115s | play Iron just like we're not going to |
| 3117s | stop doing pvm we're not going to stop |
| 3119s | Skilling we're not going to stop quests |
| 3120s | we want to develop content for everyone |
| 3123s | so the priority is how can we make sure |
| 3125s | we do that where everyone feels okay |
| 3126s | with it because clearly at the moment |
| 3128s | that's not the case I know that we're |
| 3130s | never going to please everyone we're |
| 3131s | never going to keep everyone happy but |
| 3134s | I'm want I'm wanting to take away as |
| 3135s | many learnings from this as possible to |
| 3137s | try and get closer to that point than |
| 3140s | where we are right now that leads us |
| 3142s | quite nicely into the next question um |
| 3144s | and that is that you know we don't |
| 3146s | believe believe that wrath Moore being |
| 3149s | in the wilderness was the only reason |
| 3150s | that it failed there's been a lot of |
| 3152s | other reasons as well but it quite |
| 3155s | clearly was still a factor for some of |
| 3157s | the player base so Kieran you want to |
| 3160s | touch on this maybe to start I can jump |
| 3162s | in afterwards because I was kind of |
| 3163s | talking about anyway but you know are we |
| 3165s | as a team having any conversations about |
| 3166s | the Wilderness or PVP in a more broad |
| 3169s | sense yeah it's pretty much kind of what |
| 3171s | I was just alluding to on the on the |
| 3173s | previous question about learnings is |
| 3174s | that ultimately we do absolutely need to |
| 3178s | have deeper conversations around this I |
| 3180s | think there's research to do and try and |
| 3182s | understand what players want what they |
| 3183s | definitely don't want and so on that |
| 3185s | will ultimately help us to try and |
| 3187s | create to meet some sense of like |
| 3190s | guidelines and ideas of what will the |
| 3192s | content should try and aim for I think |
| 3195s | we've done stuff that s has been more |
| 3197s | successful we've done stuff that's |
| 3199s | struggled I mean I'd be interested to |
| 3201s | hear what the chat thinks but from my |
| 3203s | perspective I feel like the changes to |
| 3205s | the Wilderness agility Arena went pretty |
| 3207s | darn well feel that that seemed to |
| 3210s | strike a pretty good spot it's not a |
| 3211s | major piece of content in the same way |
| 3213s | like rtho would have been but it seemed |
| 3215s | that that hit the mark |
| 3217s | um and so it's what can we pull out and |
| 3220s | learn from the things that have gone |
| 3222s | well combine that with research from |
| 3224s | players in order to have make these |
| 3226s | conversations sensible and come to good |
| 3229s | conclusions around what future PVP |
| 3231s | content should look like there's very |
| 3233s | there's I think there's a lot of options |
| 3235s | for how we go forward really um we're |
| 3238s | also Keen to obviously strengthen things |
| 3241s | like Bounty Hunter and so on which is |
| 3243s | obviously less Wilderness related but |
| 3245s | there's other parts of PVP that we can't |
| 3248s | lose love from either |
| 3250s | LMS is it plays a big role and actually |
| 3253s | in LMS you get a lot of the less PVP |
| 3255s | oriented players trying out PVP which is |
| 3258s | very much player versus player right |
| 3260s | you're not you're not targeting a Luke |
| 3261s | pinata an LMS nor do you really do that |
| 3264s | in Bounty Hunter so like these have a |
| 3266s | purpose to serve |
| 3267s | um there are lots of bots in LMS that is |
| 3269s | a major problem as well um but it's like |
| 3274s | you got all these different structures |
| 3275s | that serve PVP LMS Bounty Huna so on how |
| 3279s | do they all play their roles um |
| 3282s | competitions also a potential thing that |
| 3284s | can play a role we've obviously got dead |
| 3286s | man as a game mode you can have oneoff |
| 3288s | competitions little knockout tournaments |
| 3290s | there's we've did the jix cup in the |
| 3292s | past where you have like 5v5 tournaments |
| 3294s | like there there's a lot of options that |
| 3295s | are not just content as well and to me I |
| 3298s | want to look across all of that spectrum |
| 3301s | of all that spectrum of different PVP |
| 3304s | stuff what do they do who do they serve |
| 3307s | what's it for what does good look like |
| 3309s | for these different |
| 3311s | things but these conversations need to |
| 3313s | go further it's not that we haven't had |
| 3314s | any these obviously have we've been |
| 3317s | discussing discussing PVP to no end for |
| 3319s | years we haven't got to a point where we |
| 3322s | fully get it |
| 3325s | yet they definitely is still a lot of |
| 3328s | work to do that's for sure but it's |
| 3331s | exciting you know I like challenges like |
| 3333s | this cuz it it always feels good when |
| 3335s | you get a good outcome at the end of the |
| 3336s | day that's what we want to make sure |
| 3337s | right that the players are happy that |
| 3339s | there's content for people to enjoy and |
| 3341s | there's good value for your membership |
| 3342s | as a result of that as long as all those |
| 3344s | things happen and you know we carry on |
| 3346s | doing the the work that we do and we get |
| 3348s | to be happy with it so um right I'm |
| 3351s | going to jump into a few questions that |
| 3353s | we got from chat we got a couple of |
| 3354s | minutes so try and quick fire a few of |
| 3356s | these out um some of them have already |
| 3358s | answered so I won't go over them but um |
| 3361s | the ones that we haven't or potentially |
| 3363s | would add some extra context I'll ask so |
| 3365s | how will you get pvp's feedback most PVP |
| 3368s | feedback is being downvoted online I |
| 3370s | mean I will attest to this Reddit |
| 3372s | absolutely hates engaging in |
| 3374s | constructive PVP conversation I would |
| 3377s | love it if the downvote system could |
| 3379s | just be paused if anyone mentions |
| 3381s | something where they're in favor of a |
| 3383s | PVP |
| 3385s | update cuz for most part Reddit can |
| 3388s | actually be really good for General |
| 3390s | conversation around feedback on updates |
| 3392s | there's a lot of really healthy |
| 3393s | conversation that goes on more now than |
| 3395s | there was before but my God if it ever |
| 3398s | comes to PVP you you just can't be a PVP |
| 3401s | enjoyer and go onto the subreddit |
| 3403s | because you're are G to get slaughtered |
| 3407s | um we did have the PVP Discord but that |
| 3410s | had its own problems so for this |
| 3413s | particular instance I'm not going to |
| 3414s | over promise saying that we'll have a |
| 3416s | new server set up for PVP enjoyers to |
| 3418s | engage in feedback there'll be a survey |
| 3421s | We'll be asking information about your |
| 3423s | your username your you know your in-game |
| 3425s | character just the display name so that |
| 3427s | we can then use that to figure out you |
| 3429s | know what type of player you are um and |
| 3431s | then hopefully be able to you know I |
| 3433s | guess um segment people into they're a |
| 3435s | pvper they're a pvm they're a mix of |
| 3438s | both uh and then use it that way but |
| 3440s | moving forward we do want to have |
| 3442s | another server set up that's part of the |
| 3444s | official old school server where people |
| 3445s | can enjoy talking about PVP in a much |
| 3448s | healthier manner that's moderated and um |
| 3452s | yeah that's that's |
| 3454s | that um right Kieran you want to take |
| 3457s | this one can you design the boss rewards |
| 3459s | to remove the use outside of PVP and no |
| 3462s | collection log |
| 3464s | slots so first point about not using the |
| 3466s | weapons outside of PVP that is |
| 3469s | absolutely an option that we can we can |
| 3471s | do we could do that in future we could |
| 3473s | do that with the Wrath rewards in theory |
| 3476s | so that's that's one thing and that |
| 3477s | would remove any incentive for pvmers to |
| 3480s | feel like they need to get it cuz it's |
| 3481s | not going to have much value to them the |
| 3484s | one issue with with that the challenge |
| 3486s | for us is the economy side right you |
| 3488s | lower the demand for the weapon and thus |
| 3490s | its price might not be as attractive |
| 3492s | that's something we have to wear up |
| 3494s | collection log I think it's perfectly |
| 3496s | reasonable to to exclude them um at the |
| 3500s | end of the day these bosses would drop |
| 3502s | teeth the teeth would be on the |
| 3504s | collection log you then go to a shop and |
| 3507s | buy these items so not everything you |
| 3509s | buy in a shop is collection logged so I |
| 3511s | think it's it's it's reasonable to go |
| 3513s | that way and it's a reasonable way to |
| 3515s | draw a line in excluding it um I could |
| 3519s | still see many arguments for including |
| 3522s | it there are obviously mini games plenty |
| 3523s | of things that do have collection logs |
| 3525s | in shops but I think we're trying to |
| 3527s | find a reasonable compromise |
| 3531s | there nice thank you Karen great answer |
| 3534s | way more uh to the point that |
| 3537s | me it's fine all right last question |
| 3540s | from chat I'll uh I'll send this one as |
| 3542s | well I'm going to sound like a broken |
| 3543s | record and I'm sure people are annoyed |
| 3545s | of hearing it now but it's just because |
| 3546s | I see it coming up so much that I had to |
| 3548s | take it from chat recently but it's also |
| 3550s | the last question on our list that the |
| 3552s | mods have put in I understand reping if |
| 3554s | it was a close poll but this one was far |
| 3555s | off why do you feel this one is worth |
| 3557s | reping um and I'm just going to say once |
| 3559s | more for absolute Clarity sake yeah |
| 3562s | completely understand where people are |
| 3564s | coming from with this one it is very |
| 3565s | much an edge case for us to even be |
| 3567s | considering reping it given how badly it |
| 3569s | failed but the only reason that we are |
| 3572s | looking at potentially reping it if |
| 3574s | that's something that you would like us |
| 3575s | to do uh based on a new design is |
| 3578s | because we saw so much feedback around |
| 3580s | points that we felt that we could |
| 3582s | genuinely address relatively easily that |
| 3585s | it would have been |
| 3587s | um I think it would I don't want to say |
| 3589s | wrong but maybe it would have just been |
| 3591s | wrong for us to not at least consider |
| 3592s | redesigning it so yeah huge amount of |
| 3595s | changes that we believe that those |
| 3597s | Warren enough change to to look at |
| 3600s | reping it but the approach that we're |
| 3602s | going to do is this we're going to share |
| 3604s | the reposed the redesigned proposal if I |
| 3607s | can speak properly next week you have |
| 3610s | time round about a week or so maybe a |
| 3612s | bit longer to go through that we do some |
| 3614s | rounds of feedback make some changes |
| 3616s | there's a survey in there that asks |
| 3618s | about wrath Moore sand Moore and the |
| 3620s | Wilderness generally we're going to use |
| 3622s | all of that feedback over the course of |
| 3624s | the the week or two to then essentially |
| 3627s | make a judgment call on whether or not |
| 3628s | we feel like we should even bother |
| 3630s | reping it or not because at the end of |
| 3632s | the day if it's still clear that with |
| 3633s | the new design people really don't like |
| 3635s | it and that they'd rather just not |
| 3637s | explore rfhm at all then cool that's |
| 3639s | fine we're okay with that we're not |
| 3641s | going to bother spending any more time |
| 3642s | on it but if there is a chance if there |
| 3644s | is a way that we can bring content that |
| 3645s | people want and we saw a demand for it |
| 3648s | with change then we want to try and at |
| 3650s | least explore that and give it the the |
| 3652s | treatment that that we feel like it |
| 3653s | deserves um just want to clarify one |
| 3656s | last part for the second time as well |
| 3659s | now just because I don't want people |
| 3661s | getting the wrong idea this process |
| 3663s | happens regardless the only difference |
| 3665s | is that me and Kieran are on the live |
| 3666s | stream now if we were taken out of the |
| 3668s | live stream that would be you know this |
| 3670s | is the only extra work so to speak that |
| 3672s | we're doing as part of this we spend the |
| 3675s | first two weeks after every Summit first |
| 3677s | week or two weeks going through all of |
| 3679s | your feedback for every single project |
| 3681s | regardless of whether it's failed |
| 3682s | regardless whether it's passed we as the |
| 3684s | CM team then work with the design team |
| 3687s | to implement as much of that feedback |
| 3688s | into the designs as possible some of |
| 3690s | those you'll see in updated blogs you |
| 3692s | maybe even get ped on them in the future |
| 3695s | and even for the content that failed we |
| 3696s | document it all so that we can come back |
| 3698s | to it uh if we were looking to do a |
| 3700s | similar update in a few years time from |
| 3702s | now and take learnings from there so the |
| 3705s | process itself really the extra time |
| 3707s | that is being spent now is that M Goblin |
| 3709s | has put together a really good design |
| 3710s | based on your feedback that was shared |
| 3712s | with the designers that they vetted made |
| 3714s | sure we're going to be okay doing that |
| 3716s | and then we've got to put out a Blog so |
| 3718s | um I just want to basically offer some |
| 3720s | reassurance and Kieran feel free to |
| 3722s | correct me from wrong here but this |
| 3723s | hasn't taken away any development time |
| 3725s | it's the community management team that |
| 3726s | have been spending a lot of the the |
| 3728s | majority of their time and resource |
| 3730s | going through the feedback putting |
| 3731s | together design proposals that could |
| 3733s | then help shape a new blog so you |
| 3735s | haven't lost any content we we're not |
| 3737s | wasting Dev time so to speak this is |
| 3739s | just something that happens anyway we're |
| 3740s | just not very transparent about it um |
| 3743s | and yeah there's that |
| 3746s | did you want to add anything to it |
| 3748s | Karen I think it's pretty simple really |
| 3750s | this is fundamentally a pretty different |
| 3753s | pitch to the first one it's changed in a |
| 3756s | vast number of ways that have a dramatic |
| 3758s | impact on how this content will feel to |
| 3761s | me that's worth exploring that's worth |
| 3765s | seeing what the players think if you |
| 3766s | still don't want it you have the ability |
| 3768s | to vote that way um and at that point |
| 3771s | obviously we we certainly wouldn't be |
| 3774s | exploring it any further |
| 3778s | well said all right let's wrap up with |
| 3781s | the last round of announcements just to |
| 3782s | recover the things that were mentioned |
| 3784s | at the start of the stream we have |
| 3785s | exclamation mark beta uh if you want to |
| 3788s | get involved in the changes to Winter |
| 3790s | Todd then go check out that there's also |
| 3792s | a new blog that Goblin has put together |
| 3794s | and shared to show you what changes |
| 3795s | we're going to be making based on the |
| 3797s | feedback we received from the beta so |
| 3799s | far ready for the release we also have |
| 3801s | exclamation mark vmore next week |
| 3804s | Wednesday September 25th vmore the |
| 3806s | rising darkness is out so make sure that |
| 3809s | you mark it in your calendar log in play |
| 3811s | go check out all the new content there |
| 3813s | is so much a little bit for for pretty |
| 3815s | much everyone um then exclamation about |
| 3819s | modcast completely separate but |
| 3821s | something else that we talked about in |
| 3822s | The Summit project xanis on our official |
| 3825s | Discord server modani and TJ talked all |
| 3827s | about project xanis and they answered a |
| 3829s | whole bunch of different questions some |
| 3830s | of them you probably would never expect |
| 3832s | them to answer because they were they |
| 3833s | were very specific um and and and really |
| 3836s | like high level topical uh things that |
| 3839s | have been brought up so go do check that |
| 3842s | out it's loaded up on YouTube I Believe |
| 3843s | next week there's going to be a |
| 3844s | transcript of that as well if you'd |
| 3846s | rather read it and then if you want to |
| 3848s | tune in to Future modcs stage calls make |
| 3851s | sure you join the Discord server with |
| 3852s | exclamation Mar Discord Community is |
| 3854s | constantly growing there's a whole load |
| 3856s | of different spaces in there we're going |
| 3857s | to be using it a whole lot more moving |
| 3859s | forward as well um just want to say |
| 3860s | massive thank you mod Kieran for joining |
| 3863s | and helping with all of the questions |
| 3864s | today anything that you want to wrap up |
| 3865s | with |
| 3868s | thanks for having me thanks for |
| 3869s | listening to us give give our thoughts |
| 3871s | on on this topic um I'm excited to see |
| 3874s | how people respond to the new |
| 3877s | proposal awesome and lastly thank you to |
| 3879s | the production team the moderation team |
| 3881s | for helping out and also to everyone who |
| 3883s | has tuned in and been wonderful in the |
| 3885s | chat I've seen so many nice comments |
| 3888s | positivity being thrown out thank you so |
| 3889s | much for all of the kind words you share |
| 3891s | have a great evening enjoy the rest of |
| 3893s | your week have a great weekend and |
| 3894s | hopefully we'll see you again in the |
| 3895s | next live stream soon bye |