[2021] the Dragon Warhammer Requiring 1 attack will make the strongest PVP build in runescape history.

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within PVP (not players hunting pvmers who wont fight back) there are many finely crafted builds that maximize damage vs other players in the same combat bracket. obby maulers are one of them.

players stay 1 attack and maximize there strength to hit as much as possible with the tzhaar-ket-om. they have very little accuracy and are a slow build with no potential to stack because most cant use range as they would become range based.

this makes a slow paced; hard hitting build that can hit very high and it balances itself out.

obby maulers max hit is currently 46 (no firecape climbing boots /b ring )

with the proposed update, obby maulers (DRAGON WARHAMMER-ERS?) max hit will be 63. ( with max strength) at a faster rate of attacking.

with dragon warhammer becoming 1 attack requirement the slayer staff ( which has been the obby maul meta for 15 years) will also be pointless to go for.

the volitile staff has a 3 tick delay BEFORE attacking, the dragon waharmmer does not, it attacks instantly making it much more powerful!

thematically it makes no sense for 1 dragon tier weapon to require no attack to wield, it doesnt really have a high requirement to wield anyway so it wont effect the main game HOWEVER for the small community that is PVP it really will change it badly.

PLEASE understand for the finely crafted builds that are used SPECIFICALLY for pvp COMPLETELY wiping out all requirements to wield a weapon is very very bad. this doesnt effect the main game at all really, so i understand why most people wont care :(

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over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Just wanted to let you know that even though it's much less of a focus in the feedback we've been getting sent, we've still seen the concerns around this and are discussing it.

Will have more to share in the next blog!

Until then, I am curious to hear more from you and others that have 1 Attack builds. What don't you like about the change? Is the prospect of a new meta not enticing, or is it more simply the fact it's too strong? It's a pretty expensive weapon and I doubt most people with 1 Attack are going to be wearing max strength. If they are using high str gear, it'll likely be risked seeing how they'd want to protect their DWH. Does the potential for more reward not outweigh how powerful these builds would be?

over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Originally posted by Tallsocks420

I can see where you’d get the idea to replace the attack requirement with a strength one, given the horrid accuracy of DWH. Seems like an unnecessary albeit lazy change. Rather than lumping dwh into a new bracket, why not design new items?

I don't think it being a lazy change was anything we considered honestly, though I totally get why it seems that way - it's just really easy for us to implement and has a lot of potential benefits (shifting metas, new options for F2P PvP etc).

The focus was for Bronze - Rune Warhammers, we just bundled in the DWH for consistency and again, a potential welcome addition to the pure PvP meta.

over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Originally posted by Twistedi

There will be actually less risk, because lets be honest, no one is going to be risking the dwh. So instead of having berserker neck and obby maul (and you risk the maul) you get to go dwh + str amulet and only risk the str amulet anymore while gaining +17 max hit.

Let's assume some budget gear of DWH, Amulet of Strength, Climbing Boots, Fire Cape and Combat Bracelet - the max hit of the special attack with 99 Strength would be 55 compared to the current 44 normal swing of the Obby maul (with Berserker necklace, it's 37 without)

over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Originally posted by Twistedi

Yeah I didnt do any of the math, just read the max hits based OPs post. But my point was that most of the times people will now actually risk less, yeah theres always chanse of smite but id say its relatively low on that cb fights since peiple dont often tend to have 52 prayer

And dont get me wrong, im not against the dwh change, was just pointing on how i see its going to change that bracket pvp

Yeah that's fair enough and a valid point (about the increased max hit). Thanks for replying!

over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Originally posted by RoT_Attorney

So calc'd out dwh w/ no risk vs max obby gear risk (potted and ultimate str pray) and got these numbers. This is assuming 13 atk which is why I have the black defender, but it appears to be the same if using unholy/war book as well. Also I pick ammo crab as target b/c it's 1 def.

7 tick speed maul w/ neck max hit is 46 and 6 tick speed dwh w/ max/barely any obby gear is 42/38 so I'm not actually sure if it is that much more powerful as OP claims.

Thanks for the reply and calcs, very useful!

over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Originally posted by RoT_Attorney

I'd remove climbing boots from your calculation because the quest required gives 16 attack. Some obby's go that route, but with manacles now most don't.

Yeah I honestly just whacked them in there without much thought to get a quick idea of numbers vs OP suggested max hit.

over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Originally posted by Neckfaced

can we get some actual damn attention to pking to bring back the players who have moved on due to the lack of f**king care from jagex? Why are item nerfs and old shitty mini games being prioritized over promises that have been left empty for actual years mate.

dwh at 1 att is the only change incoming that doesnt really affect anything besides the pride obby maulers had who grinded the slay staff

We have some Wilderness changes planned for later this year (shown in a gazette as part of our content plan) where I'm hoping we'll be able to look at more general PvP things. Until then we're trying to do little bits alongside other updates.

over 3 years ago - /u/JagexAyiza - Direct link

Originally posted by Neckfaced

appreciate the response but jagex as a whole have said this same thing for 2+ years so it means very little to anybody who actually cares about the pk scene

Yeah I know, and it's a fair comment. Can only hope that opinion changes in time as we keep our word!

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