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| 0s | can I want to be a postman all right |
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| 2s | what do you think is the biggest problem |
| 4s | facing old school RuneScape today my CV |
| 7s | has a massive picture of to SC look on |
| 9s | it and like it had my Inferno casc and |
| 11s | like my chasing and it like it was so |
| 15s | cringe hello everyone and welcome to the |
| 17s | official old school RuneScape podcast |
| 19s | where we get to chat [ __ ] with jods and |
| 22s | creators so that you get to know the |
| 25s | person behind the crown unless they're a |
| 27s | Creator because they don't wear crowns |
| 29s | but that still works anyway most of them |
| 30s | are peod crowns true that is very true |
| 33s | well we're your hosts I'm mod Aiza this |
| 35s | is mod SW and today we are joined by the |
| 38s | wonderful mod Arcane who is a Senior |
| 41s | Systems designer here at Old School |
| 45s | Arcane how are you doing today I'm doing |
| 46s | really well thank you yeah Prett good |
| 48s | good are you excited to be on the first |
| 49s | podcast yeah [ __ ] |
| 51s | it you don't look nervous at all so |
| 55s | comfortable so relaxed yeah so so so so |
| 57s | relaxed okay let's uh let's break the I |
| 59s | a little bit what of you done this |
| 60s | morning um I walked with Mod husky I've |
| 63s | been looking after him this week he's |
| 64s | been staying over for game Jam so he's |
| 66s | been uh sleeping on my blow up bed and |
| 69s | so we walked to a training station got |
| 70s | some coffee got some breakfast and then |
| 71s | I've just been tidying up some odd game |
| 73s | Jam bits so getting ready for the game |
| 75s | Jam presentations tomorrow like sure we |
| 77s | get off to the team and stuff it's been |
| 79s | a very exciting game Jam there been so |
| 81s | much that people have been working on it |
| 83s | seems like so much more than before I |
| 85s | think maybe because they're smaller |
| 86s | projects rather than like larger ones |
| 88s | and they really are like the theme was a |
| 90s | general just qual which is obviously a |
| 92s | lot more like we know what the problems |
| 94s | are for qual usually like players are |
| 95s | very very vocal about that like this is |
| 97s | just really annoying to work with so we |
| 98s | can fix them right it's a bit different |
| 100s | than coming up with an entire continent |
| 102s | and trying to populate with a bunch of |
| 103s | different content bit more nebulous |
| 105s | right so it has been really good to see |
| 107s | like how much has really come out of it |
| 109s | more tangible it's has been uh a little |
| 111s | bit hectic on socials as well everything |
| 113s | been posted and pinions flying around |
| 115s | Left Right Center cuz there's obviously |
| 117s | quite a few different uh gamechanging |
| 118s | things but we'll save a lot of that for |
| 120s | actually talk about game jam cuz this is |
| 121s | more about getting to know you Arcane |
| 124s | and uh and you as a person as well as a |
| 125s | developer um but I think swen you you uh |
| 128s | you were talking just before we started |
| 129s | about what arcane's been working on you |
| 132s | maybe want to start off with that |
| 133s | something spicy something spicy okay I |
| 136s | mean it's not it doesn't seem right for |
| 138s | me to announce what you've been working |
| 139s | on do you want to announce what you've |
| 140s | been working on so I've been working on |
| 142s | aaur for a bit now RS3 boss yeah the RS3 |
| 146s | boss I think that most people see arur |
| 149s | very positively where like it was a |
| 150s | really cool boss at the time very |
| 152s | revolutionary at the time so um is very |
| 154s | much trying to adapt it to old school |
| 155s | and see what really fits but I think |
| 157s | it's a really cool thematic we already |
| 158s | have a r sites technically in game so it |
| 160s | doesn't feel like much of a stretch or |
| 161s | anything like that um it's also been a |
| 164s | while since we've done a Slayer boss so |
| 165s | I think that'd be kind of fitting like |
| 166s | alchemical Hydro I think was the last |
| 168s | one so quite a long time ago that was |
| 170s | like last one like 2018 or something |
| 172s | like that bit later 2020 AA had just |
| 175s | left jagex I did he was embarking in his |
| 177s | streaming |
| 178s | career shortlived it was shortlived and |
| 182s | toxic it's so well it was like the the |
| 185s | most fractured our friendship been he he |
| 187s | he turned into the most toxic little |
| 188s | streamer imagine I wasn't that X that I |
| 191s | called out two things maybe I just |
| 194s | sensitive cuz it was you yeah you were |
| 195s | very sensitive every negative com can |
| 197s | you blame me I I spent like three weeks |
| 200s | playing the game nonstop for like 20 |
| 202s | hours a day so that I could get night |
| 203s | and five Slayer to do alchemical Hydra I |
| 205s | can't blame you cuz you chose to do that |
| 206s | only to kill it three times and then |
| 208s | feel like I never wanted to go there |
| 209s | ever again I haven't been back since but |
| 211s | yes you can't blame me it was my choice |
| 213s | you're right well hopefully aaur doesn't |
| 215s | have that experience for you and you |
| 216s | already have the Slayer level |
| 217s | requirements so that is very I think |
| 220s | I'll need to get it on my iron because |
| 221s | that's the account I play the most now |
| 223s | but I say the most I don't really play a |
| 225s | huge amount right now but yeah which I |
| 228s | think actually is quite a good uh segue |
| 229s | into a question how does working on the |
| 233s | game impact your kind of like desire to |
| 236s | play the game or enjoyment for old |
| 237s | school in general I've thought about |
| 239s | this quite a lot and it comes quite a |
| 240s | lot in terms of just talking to friends |
| 242s | and family and like go the effect you or |
| 244s | like people that I used to play runes |
| 245s | skate with and everything and um when I |
| 248s | first started I was like Peak Iron Man |
| 250s | where like I was get just past like |
| 252s | 1,800 total or something like that so |
| 254s | unlocked all the content all the bossing |
| 255s | and just plowing through it and I played |
| 257s | for a year solidly after joining the |
| 259s | company and Max the AR man got a bunch |
| 261s | of jobs Etc um and then it wasn't until |
| 264s | I maxed it there is where I really |
| 265s | started to fall off and I was like I |
| 266s | really just don't want to grind like |
| 269s | 2,000 Cor to 3,000 Nightmare and stuff |
| 271s | like a lot of the endgame grinds at the |
| 273s | time were a bit cumbersome I'd Max my |
| 274s | account so you lose all that like easy |
| 276s | downtime um wasn't really much of a |
| 278s | clogger back then or anything like that |
| 280s | so I don't really have many goals so I |
| 282s | did just stop playing generally and I've |
| 284s | found other stuff since but um I don't |
| 287s | know if that's because I work at the |
| 288s | company or if I just got to a point of |
| 290s | the game mode where I just wasn't |
| 291s | enjoying it much I imagine it's partly |
| 294s | both I I think for me because since I've |
| 297s | joined I've kind of just become the pvm |
| 299s | guy for the most part and that's also |
| 302s | the bit of the game that I enjoyed the |
| 303s | most which means that by the time a new |
| 305s | pvm update comes out which is usually |
| 307s | the content I would really look forward |
| 309s | to I've already played it a lot oh of |
| 311s | course yeah you're designing you're |
| 312s | testing it you're doing it over and over |
| 314s | over again by the time TOA came out like |
| 316s | I've been working on it for like a year |
| 317s | and I'm just kind of sick of it by then |
| 320s | so like I think if I wasn't working on |
| 321s | Old pvm content maybe it'd be different |
| 323s | I'd be excited to play this content that |
| 325s | other developers have made and I still |
| 326s | seem the same here like when Ed releases |
| 328s | a new Quest I still get really excited |
| 330s | to do the new Quest um so maybe it's |
| 332s | more so that rather than just being |
| 333s | around the product all the time but I do |
| 336s | hear it quite often where you're |
| 337s | stirring at the game like eight hours a |
| 339s | day you go home you don't want to stare |
| 340s | at the game for another six hours right |
| 342s | and maybe that's part of it I'm not sure |
| 344s | for me it's not so much if I'm really |
| 347s | staring at the game too much it's more |
| 349s | to do with Community sentiment if the |
| 351s | players are happy I'm happy and I'm more |
| 352s | inclined to play but if there's some |
| 355s | kind of uproar or controversy just |
| 356s | reminds you about it right yeah like in |
| 358s | you log in and you know sometimes |
| 360s | occasionally my RSN is to do with me and |
| 362s | people will recognize me and they'll be |
| 363s | like oh this is this sucks or whatever |
| 364s | else and it makes me feel bad like I |
| 366s | don't want to play or even just hearing |
| 367s | your friends or your clan mates just |
| 369s | like talking negatively about the game |
| 370s | as they should do because they're |
| 371s | players and they should it's dragging |
| 372s | the drama home right and we do need to |
| 373s | care about that balance exactly yeah |
| 375s | that is a a really good point i' I've |
| 377s | gone Incognito now just because of that |
| 379s | reason again I'm not playing a huge |
| 380s | amount at the moment yeah changed my RSN |
| 383s | because before it was just a case of |
| 384s | like it was Aiza and there would there |
| 386s | would be so many nice moments but all it |
| 388s | takes is like one bad time where someone |
| 390s | asked you a question that I just can't |
| 391s | answer or don't want to give an answer |
| 393s | to because it's you know something |
| 394s | sensitive or topical and then I'm just |
| 396s | like well I don't want to play the game |
| 398s | anymore but yeah I I've gone through |
| 401s | phases weirdly I I when I first started |
| 403s | I played the game more than ever before |
| 405s | and I think it's because it was I was so |
| 407s | hungry to learn so much about the player |
| 409s | base more than I did before uh the |
| 412s | intricacies of what people do so that I |
| 413s | could understand helping them exactly it |
| 415s | helps your J job so much if you play the |
| 417s | game it really really really does but |
| 419s | then I burnt myself out cuz like I went |
| 421s | in too hard and then I took a big break |
| 423s | then it came back then obviously the |
| 425s | streaming stuff happened and I played |
| 426s | like for a year solid Non-Stop and that |
| 428s | was fantastic but again I burnt myself |
| 430s | out then uh and now I just kind of like |
| 432s | go through waves where if friends are |
| 435s | playing we'll raid together otherwise |
| 436s | I'm just kind of not really doing a huge |
| 439s | amount I think Iron Man was like the |
| 441s | best and worst thing for me to be honest |
| 443s | hardcore was a terrible decision then |
| 445s | moving moving that onto an Iron Man was |
| 447s | the best decision but kind of similar to |
| 449s | what you said before is like I've got so |
| 451s | many grinds to go for which should be |
| 453s | exciting but instead I'm just thought |
| 455s | thinking about well I need to get all my |
| 458s | stats up and I can't be bothered to |
| 460s | grind right now so I just want a pvm but |
| 462s | my supplies are like dwindling and then |
| 464s | I'm just like oh there's so much that I |
| 465s | need to actually do I should just go |
| 467s | back to my main really and just max that |
| 469s | out but that's a problem that I never |
| 470s | really had cuz I just love doing Farm |
| 472s | run so much so I think by the time IID |
| 474s | like finished most of the endgame |
| 475s | content let's say three or four years |
| 477s | ago uh I still had like 5K Brews like 8K |
| 480s | prayer Parts like 6K restor is like it |
| 482s | was just never an issue but that comes |
| 484s | from maybe 6 months of RS inducing |
| 487s | prayer flicking during all my SL tasks |
| 489s | like I just didn't use my supplies at |
| 491s | all yeah I I do not pray Flick I'll lazy |
| 493s | flick at most it's just so useful but uh |
| 496s | not worth it man that's very true well |
| 498s | we kind of talked a little bit about |
| 499s | Community but I guess uh soon as we have |
| 502s | you here and players are going to be |
| 505s | listening and watching hopefully |
| 507s | hopefully yeah crossed all 100 of you |
| 509s | yeah |
| 510s | what would you say you like the most |
| 513s | about the old school Community generally |
| 515s | just how engaged they are and how |
| 516s | willing they are to engage in |
| 517s | discussions right and most of the time |
| 519s | the discussions are really fruitful like |
| 520s | they come up with good ideas and like we |
| 522s | were trying to like actually solve |
| 523s | things together and that's really |
| 525s | rewarding and you don't really see that |
| 527s | much in communities a lot of it's just |
| 528s | like purely negativity and isn't really |
| 530s | trying to make anything good also like |
| 532s | the respect for like what's right in the |
| 535s | game like I think everyone just has this |
| 536s | like intrinsic feeling of like what's |
| 538s | good versus bad and no one is very good |
| 540s | at articulating like why those things |
| 542s | are the case but everyone knows it |
| 544s | everyone feels it it's just old schools |
| 547s | down to it's not old school it is old |
| 548s | school it really is and that's where a |
| 550s | lot of the debates come from right |
| 551s | because you have people different |
| 552s | perspectives but at the end of the day |
| 553s | if enough people are saying it's not old |
| 554s | school they're probably right like there |
| 556s | probably is something there that we've |
| 557s | missed that we really need to pull back |
| 559s | and fix so I really like that part um I |
| 562s | assume you're going to flip this around |
| 564s | all of a sudden well do you want to ask |
| 567s | that one SW well it wasn't so much the |
| 569s | whole what do you hate about the |
| 570s | community but there's just kind of one |
| 572s | thing that's always been on my mind |
| 573s | which is the the negative side of the |
| 575s | community I see bad stuff about me don't |
| 579s | care at all laugh it off sometimes |
| 581s | sometimes I find bits and it's so funny |
| 584s | I share my friends be like look how mean |
| 586s | they are isn't that funny that that's |
| 587s | what he says when he's on the cast but |
| 589s | really you know that Meme yeah you know |
| 590s | the meme where it's like uh it's like a |
| 592s | face with a happy mask and then behind |
| 594s | it it's just like crying that's SW when |
| 595s | he leaves me a voice note it's like he |
| 598s | won't believe what they said about four |
| 600s | minutes of I don't look like that me to |
| 604s | me |
| 606s | but when it comes to kind of colleagues |
| 609s | I hate being I hate I hate I hate |
| 611s | negativity being directed to them it's |
| 613s | like more protective with you I feel |
| 616s | like you get a really bad stick from a |
| 619s | small element of the community mainly |
| 620s | because you're so prolific you make |
| 623s | amazing content like people love leagues |
| 625s | you and you tri blades are reloaded |
| 627s | absolutely smashed it the kind of Boss |
| 629s | content you've done done absolutely |
| 630s | smashed it even the things we weren't |
| 632s | necessarily expecting to be big |
| 633s | successes like Musa with secrets of the |
| 635s | north awesome boss really fun engaging |
| 637s | fight but then there will be like |
| 641s | screenshots of you talking and answering |
| 643s | questions and being an awesome J mode |
| 644s | and talking and answering questions and |
| 646s | working with people in some Discord |
| 647s | servers and then people are like he's |
| 649s | giving inside information he's doing |
| 651s | this he's manipulating he's you know I |
| 654s | don't know I feel like you get tired |
| 655s | with a like a bad brush there I don't |
| 658s | know if that's the right analogy but we |
| 659s | go but you know what I'm trying to say |
| 660s | bad brush with a bad brush not a good |
| 663s | one why don't you get the good brushes |
| 665s | man it's not fair so I just want to know |
| 667s | how you feel about that I think it's |
| 668s | Testament to you that you haven't when |
| 670s | you engage it's constructive he never |
| 672s | really defensive when if it was me or |
| 675s | someone else perhaps we might be like no |
| 678s | you're wrong and this is why you're |
| 679s | wrong but you don't do that so I'd love |
| 681s | to just kind of hear your thoughts on |
| 682s | that I'll pref it with I feel like I've |
| 684s | messed up at times like I've maybe said |
| 685s | too much or like just been a bit too |
| 687s | privy but like the intent was was there |
| 690s | right and being like really like |
| 691s | productive and really helpful like I |
| 693s | don't really like posting on Twitter and |
| 694s | Reddit too much I don't really like that |
| 695s | Forum style communication I like but |
| 697s | more like insta messaging so that's kind |
| 698s | of why I gravit it towards Discord sure |
| 700s | but Discord is obviously not public as |
| 702s | every other source of media so I don't |
| 704s | blame people feeling like I'm being like |
| 705s | secretive or helping my friends like I |
| 707s | didn't know Oblivion before I joined but |
| 709s | it's just another Discord I'm in a lot |
| 710s | of discords on my jod account I engage |
| 712s | in a lot of different communities um and |
| 714s | I like talking to them right and I don't |
| 716s | want to like not really I don't want to |
| 717s | just not talk to these discords because |
| 720s | people are going to see that as me like |
| 721s | leaking Insider information but um yeah |
| 723s | I've definitely said stuff I'm like I'm |
| 724s | probably Towing the line of like yeah |
| 726s | okay that probably just wasn't really |
| 727s | wise like that probably shouldn't have |
| 728s | gone there um but again it was always |
| 730s | with good intent like I've never really |
| 731s | tried to do anything like that um but no |
| 734s | it does make me sad right like I feel |
| 736s | like I feel like I've become a bit of a |
| 738s | scapegoat in terms of just like if |
| 740s | there's like negative sentiment around |
| 742s | drop tables or something that |
| 743s | specifically which there always is right |
| 745s | like we've never released a drop table |
| 747s | in the past like probably ever that has |
| 749s | no drama on it whether that's the reward |
| 751s | blog stage and like figuring out the |
| 752s | design towards the actual implementation |
| 754s | of it um so I've become like oh it's |
| 756s | only long because Arcane wants it to be |
| 759s | long or something like that I'm like no |
| 760s | it's just me just trying to figure out |
| 761s | like compared to all the other rewards |
| 763s | in the game where should it be best put |
| 765s | where does it what where feels |
| 766s | appropriate taking complaints from the |
| 767s | previous drop table release trying to |
| 769s | fix them and then suddenly you're |
| 770s | uncovering another issue yeah like the |
| 772s | Vestige thing where we did the whole |
| 774s | like um you got to roll three times to |
| 775s | get Vestige that was the goal of going |
| 777s | like okay well I I think be beneficial |
| 780s | if people had a lower chance of going |
| 781s | dry long term that was the entire intent |
| 784s | complete oversight about like how that |
| 785s | would interact with like day one economy |
| 787s | where you got 100 thousand people |
| 788s | playing it but not very many people have |
| 790s | got over 100 KC which means there's |
| 792s | barely any in the economy right um that |
| 794s | was a complete oversight that was a |
| 795s | mistake I think I think In fairness as |
| 797s | well the way we kind of handled the |
| 799s | commun there isn't a bug I'm not going |
| 801s | to tell you why yeah was a little bit |
| 803s | ominous wasn't it it's like but but |
| 804s | equally like I think players have almost |
| 806s | come out and said like yeah you |
| 807s | shouldn't have told us that you |
| 808s | shouldn't have told us it works because |
| 810s | now people are obsessed about like oh |
| 811s | maybe I'm two out of three I don't know |
| 813s | and asking ways that they can trade in |
| 815s | items to figure out what their their Ro |
| 818s | maybe that's a good Band-Aid solution at |
| 819s | this stage it's a bit late to change |
| 821s | things like that completely but um yeah |
| 824s | it's like again good intense maybe I may |
| 826s | make mistakes every now and again I'm |
| 827s | hardly perfect but I'm just trying to |
| 829s | just do better every single time but |
| 831s | people do jump towards the negative like |
| 833s | malicious intent kind of deal quite |
| 835s | often which does upset me it's not nice |
| 837s | to read online right that people think |
| 838s | you're evil like I'm in this job taking |
| 840s | a massive pay cut compared to anything |
| 842s | else I could be doing because I love the |
| 844s | game and I want to do really well and I |
| 845s | want to make the players happy even |
| 846s | though I don't play the game as much |
| 847s | these days I still love it like entirely |
| 850s | um so letting people assume malice does |
| 854s | upset me I think it's lazy on the part |
| 856s | of players to assume it's m and I think |
| 858s | it's like that you kind you call it |
| 859s | slacktivism they kind of you know they |
| 860s | feel like I'm contributing to this |
| 861s | bandwagon I'm seeing the sentiment and |
| 863s | I'm going to join in because that's the |
| 864s | right thing to do cuz I think sometimes |
| 867s | all it takes on Reddit genuinely is |
| 870s | two paragraphs that are cohesively |
| 872s | written and then people won't even read |
| 875s | what it means but they're like get the |
| 876s | vi this person's use full stops and |
| 879s | there are two paragraphs maybe there's |
| 881s | an accompanying image this person must |
| 883s | be right it's a Well constructed opinion |
| 884s | even if it might I don't agree with it |
| 886s | or not but it's well constructed I don't |
| 887s | even know what the opinion is I don't |
| 888s | know what it means I haven't touched |
| 889s | that content but this person obviously |
| 891s | has done cuz there's four commas in that |
| 893s | sentence Oh my God he must know we're |
| 895s | all guilty of it right like you scroll |
| 896s | through YouTube short so Tik toks over |
| 898s | and over again you see someone just |
| 899s | talking about some random stuff you have |
| 900s | no idea about you're like that person |
| 902s | really knows that like I kind of think |
| 904s | that now like it's just so easy I don't |
| 907s | blame people it's just human psychology |
| 909s | really oh we should do the same we |
| 911s | should deconstruct negative opinions of |
| 913s | our own Easy clickbait shorts and Tik |
| 915s | toks probably would work yeah all right |
| 918s | there we go get Archy on the case oh |
| 920s | dear but no I think you're you're right |
| 922s | there like the maliciousness there I |
| 924s | think the one thing that gets me as well |
| 925s | is there's there's always a conspiracy |
| 927s | it's like oh DRX are doing this because |
| 929s | of this reason and it's sometimes just |
| 932s | probably over I say sometimes it's it's |
| 934s | never that I don't think there's ever |
| 935s | been a time where we've gone into |
| 936s | anything and there been like an ulterior |
| 938s | motive it's just we've just done |
| 940s | something and it probably wasn't the |
| 941s | right thing so then we just go back |
| 943s | we're just human we make mistakes spoken |
| 945s | to the right person bit of |
| 947s | miscommunication we reacted too quickly |
| 950s | yeah a good example was um in know post |
| 952s | Vore part one um there's a lot of drama |
| 955s | about the the clue step right about how |
| 957s | you needed to get the the highest |
| 959s | requirement and Coliseum which is our |
| 961s | latest piece of difficult content to |
| 962s | unlock a clue step and you can't do the |
| 964s | master Clues without them right and like |
| 966s | that was not the intent like the intent |
| 968s | was me just going like I don't want to |
| 970s | put anything like really important |
| 971s | behind the the biggest Glory un lock I |
| 972s | just want it to be a bit of a flex or |
| 973s | something so an OTE seems pretty |
| 975s | harmless right I had no idea it was a |
| 976s | clue step that project had like seven |
| 978s | developers on it like I had no idea so |
| 981s | we fixed it afterwards right but again |
| 983s | just it's not malice or J Mod's just |
| 985s | going like yeah let's screw over the |
| 986s | clue play Clue enjoyers like we just |
| 989s | didn't realize you can kind of |
| 990s | understand why they would feel that way |
| 991s | but it would be nice if if you know when |
| 993s | stuff like that did happen the first |
| 997s | thing that players thought was not a |
| 999s | conspiracy and it was just like oh this |
| 1001s | shouldn't be the way that it is we know |
| 1003s | JX by now we know the old school team by |
| 1005s | now they'll change it so let's ask them |
| 1007s | to change it because you talked earlier |
| 1009s | about how uh it's quite unique that |
| 1012s | you're able to have like conversations |
| 1013s | with players and that there is that back |
| 1015s | and forth it's very two-way whereas I |
| 1017s | feel like a lot of other Studios have |
| 1019s | very much oneway conversations and it's |
| 1020s | a case of this is what we're doing you |
| 1022s | can leave your feedback but you're never |
| 1024s | going to hear back on that feedback |
| 1025s | until there's another patch in maybe |
| 1027s | three months time and maybe one or two |
| 1028s | of those changes would have got in |
| 1030s | whereas we have very much a two-way |
| 1032s | communication Loop and that is brilliant |
| 1034s | but it has its flaws as well it means |
| 1036s | that we can afford the opportunity to go |
| 1038s | out with things that players might not |
| 1040s | like but we're kind of like unsure |
| 1042s | ourselves so we test the waters and we |
| 1044s | know that they'll give us feedback we |
| 1046s | know that we'll action that feedback and |
| 1047s | we'll communicate back why we've changed |
| 1049s | it because of players input but that |
| 1052s | also then brings in the opportunity for |
| 1053s | well why why are the old school team |
| 1055s | doing this why would they ever think |
| 1056s | that that was the right thing to do and |
| 1057s | it's like sometimes we just like to see |
| 1059s | what happens see how you feel about |
| 1061s | things may maybe other games and other |
| 1062s | studios are why our players are the way |
| 1065s | they are because obviously old school's |
| 1066s | growing if you go right yeah you go back |
| 1068s | to like the 2015 or 2017 period so we |
| 1071s | we're kind of post the old school launch |
| 1075s | numbers have fallen and then they're |
| 1076s | suddenly starting to grow again like new |
| 1078s | old school you unique old school |
| 1079s | contents coming to the game play base is |
| 1081s | growing but they've been with us sizable |
| 1084s | growth but they're still we're still not |
| 1086s | massive then obviously mobile comes in |
| 1088s | and then you have like raids and stuff |
| 1090s | coming in and we're being quite prolific |
| 1092s | with content advertising stepping up as |
| 1094s | well all the player base has grown and |
| 1096s | they've come from somewhere they're |
| 1097s | playing other games they're working with |
| 1099s | other Studios I say working they're |
| 1101s | trying to talk to other Studios probably |
| 1103s | hearing nothing maybe that's what it is |
| 1104s | especially over Co time too CU dur so |
| 1106s | used to having to scream to get any |
| 1108s | changes right during Co right every game |
| 1110s | was being delayed like expansions being |
| 1112s | delayed new games being delayed I think |
| 1113s | we were that was kind of around the time |
| 1115s | we started getting quite good at release |
| 1116s | stes cuz we were like we just kept our |
| 1117s | cards close to our chest interestingly |
| 1119s | bit of a segue I was interviewing like a |
| 1121s | candidate and we're talking about |
| 1123s | release dates for the marketing time |
| 1124s | timelines and stuff like like I said do |
| 1126s | you do you see a problem with announcing |
| 1128s | really really really early on a release |
| 1130s | date and then changing go no that's just |
| 1131s | the industry I'm like oh I didn't like |
| 1134s | that answer I was like surely there's a |
| 1135s | better way to do things you know I think |
| 1137s | that's why I I don't know why this is |
| 1138s | meant to be about you Arc but it's about |
| 1140s | me now but I think that's why I love |
| 1142s | working at jagex especially on old |
| 1144s | school so much is because we do always |
| 1147s | try to do things a better way and |
| 1149s | obviously you know as you've heard and |
| 1151s | saw us say s us say that's a weird |
| 1154s | saying never we going to say that one |
| 1155s | again that we make mistakes but the |
| 1158s | beauty of it is that we always try to |
| 1160s | make good of any mistake that we do make |
| 1162s | and I think that I can hand on my heart |
| 1165s | safely say that that is the case that is |
| 1168s | what we will always strive to do and I |
| 1169s | think that's why I love working here so |
| 1171s | much everyone's so willing to try and do |
| 1173s | the right thing right even if sometimes |
| 1174s | we make mistakes and sometimes it's |
| 1176s | really difficult and Things fall through |
| 1178s | the cracks like we're always doing it in |
| 1179s | the vein of trying to do it the right |
| 1181s | way yeah at least from our perspective |
| 1183s | yeah no completely and it might take |
| 1184s | time but there'll always be learnings |
| 1187s | from every project that will then take |
| 1189s | into the next project and that happens |
| 1191s | consistently and I I love the fact that |
| 1193s | we do that uh and I think you're right |
| 1195s | we have got so much better with things |
| 1197s | like in terms of like timelines like |
| 1198s | before we learned from announcing things |
| 1200s | way in advance and then having to delay |
| 1202s | and then delay again winter 2017 was a |
| 1204s | real thing uh but we've avoided that I |
| 1206s | can't remember the last major drama that |
| 1209s | we had over release dates it's usually |
| 1211s | just a month or something really at most |
| 1213s | if we have to push anything it is |
| 1214s | normally yeah just a case of a couple of |
| 1216s | weeks I think maybe we could get a |
| 1217s | little bit better at announcing the |
| 1218s | bigger things like you know a league so |
| 1220s | people can prepare time off but those |
| 1222s | things take a huge amount of commitment |
| 1223s | from us to to even know when exactly |
| 1226s | we've been able to deliver anyway we're |
| 1227s | always we're always working towards a |
| 1229s | date so we'll go through our calendars |
| 1230s | and all the content we've announced |
| 1232s | there's a date attached to it but it's |
| 1234s | tentative and we don't know until we get |
| 1235s | closer and closer to it so the most we |
| 1237s | could do is be like it might be within |
| 1239s | these four weeks yeah but then players |
| 1241s | are like well what one is it cuz I'm |
| 1243s | want to book time off I wonder how |
| 1244s | players actually feel about that and if |
| 1246s | anyone's uh watching and listening |
| 1249s | hopefully you are of you yeah leave us |
| 1252s | some comments how do you feel about |
| 1253s | release dates would you rather that we |
| 1255s | had a release date that was then like |
| 1258s | announced earlier but but pushed back |
| 1260s | multiple times because we weren't able |
| 1261s | to deliver or do you prefer the current |
| 1263s | approach that we have which is that we |
| 1264s | give as much notice as possible but when |
| 1266s | we do give a date it's pretty much |
| 1267s | locked in that it's going to be that um |
| 1269s | maybe a few weeks difference at most |
| 1271s | sure did ideal like a really long |
| 1273s | release date in advance that doesn't |
| 1274s | change right that's the ideal thing yeah |
| 1276s | but we're in real real world here yeah |
| 1277s | that just doesn't happen there's always |
| 1279s | just too many unknowns in a project so |
| 1281s | then like you get deep ins you're like |
| 1282s | yeah this is just way more work than we |
| 1283s | thought exactly maybe that's an |
| 1285s | interesting one we can talk about we |
| 1286s | have mod Kieran on I know that he's |
| 1287s | obviously going to a huge amount of |
| 1288s | people that's working alongside the |
| 1290s | development team as yourself but we can |
| 1291s | talk about um why delays could happen |
| 1294s | What could impact it but we weren't go |
| 1296s | into that just yet I know one comms |
| 1298s | issue that we have had repeatedly uh |
| 1300s | about like expectations about when |
| 1301s | content is coming that's generally like |
| 1303s | poll blogs where it's like we get the |
| 1305s | poll blog out and then some random |
| 1308s | question in it takes like months right |
| 1310s | and that's very rarely because of like |
| 1312s | pure Dev resource it's just about like |
| 1314s | we just can't do it all at the same time |
| 1316s | right and it's like yeah we'll do these |
| 1317s | first and it's like player expectations |
| 1318s | WR jobs get done first and like their |
| 1320s | priorities and misaligned expectations |
| 1323s | cuz someone might have a grest guardian |
| 1324s | Tas so they really care about the grest |
| 1325s | guardian question someone else is doing |
| 1327s | the gaunlet grind so they really care |
| 1328s | about the gaunlet question it's like |
| 1330s | someone's going to be upset right theirs |
| 1331s | is going to be the last question done |
| 1333s | that they care about and like I've I've |
| 1335s | always mused about like some indie |
| 1338s | companies have like their J boards |
| 1341s | almost visible right where it's like it |
| 1343s | literally shows you like yeah this is |
| 1344s | scheduled for like this release and then |
| 1345s | as soon as we update it they see that |
| 1347s | change and they can actually see it |
| 1348s | evolve I think there's a lot of troubles |
| 1350s | and like Community or a lot of issues |
| 1352s | trying to do that but like that idea is |
| 1355s | like quite interesting of just making |
| 1357s | that entire process like Mega |
| 1358s | transparent but we we communicate so |
| 1360s | much already right it's like we can't |
| 1362s | all of a sudden having extra blogs and |
| 1364s | extra sections of blogs with even more |
| 1365s | taex players are already getting |
| 1366s | exhausted by that I actually tried back |
| 1369s | in 2018 it was one of my projects for |
| 1370s | the year which was to uh essentially |
| 1373s | convert the jir tasks that we have and |
| 1375s | put them into a public trell board that |
| 1376s | players could then obviously check and |
| 1378s | see because we were getting a lot of |
| 1380s | that back then because we were doing |
| 1381s | like that was back when we did four qu |
| 1383s | polls per year with the different themes |
| 1384s | and there were you know like 30 40 |
| 1386s | questions each one um and we were |
| 1388s | constantly being hammered with like |
| 1389s | when's this coming when's this coming |
| 1390s | when this coming it's okay how can we |
| 1391s | show this public fa in but there is just |
| 1393s | so much nuan behind it that it would it |
| 1396s | essentially would be I wouldn't say |
| 1398s | impossible but very near impossible I |
| 1400s | think for us to actually achieve with |
| 1401s | how much we end up moving things around |
| 1404s | and as we speak to more developers maybe |
| 1406s | we can uncover more about how that works |
| 1409s | so players can understand but yeah |
| 1412s | you're right I don't want to have that |
| 1414s | task though doing it cuz we do we do |
| 1417s | talk a lot we have a lot of vogs and |
| 1418s | sometimes we're actually at like uh we |
| 1420s | hit a roadblock where we're at blog |
| 1421s | fatigue we can't release more coms |
| 1423s | because there's just been so many big |
| 1425s | pieces going out one after the other |
| 1427s | that our team needs a break and the |
| 1429s | players need a break I think that's |
| 1431s | something that's very transparent from |
| 1433s | the um project rebalance that we've been |
| 1434s | working with yourself on and uh you know |
| 1437s | poor mod Goblin had to go through 3 |
| 1440s | weeks of being hammered by comments and |
| 1444s | I think you know like the the blogs that |
| 1446s | went out the redit posts alone were like |
| 1448s | two 3,000 comments in the first day that |
| 1450s | is a huge amount for someone to have to |
| 1452s | go through and obviously you know we |
| 1454s | help out where we can but he need to |
| 1455s | break from that there's only so many |
| 1457s | times that you can be told that you've |
| 1458s | ruined magic that this is going to be |
| 1460s | the worst thing you've ever done all the |
| 1463s | other negativity that comes through |
| 1464s | before it is just too much and you need |
| 1466s | to take a step back uh and obviously |
| 1468s | that's when we get to process the |
| 1469s | feedback then we come back I think we're |
| 1470s | in a good place with that now but how do |
| 1472s | you feel about project rebalance might |
| 1473s | as well ask you see as you've worked on |
| 1474s | it generally really happy I think it had |
| 1477s | a lot of points that could have been a |
| 1478s | lot worse like a lot of the feedback |
| 1480s | points were easily fixable at the end of |
| 1482s | the day right the whole magic stuff is |
| 1483s | probably the most controversial part of |
| 1484s | the entire update and like and run |
| 1486s | energy and run energy and it's fair with |
| 1488s | the the Skilling stuff but we do want to |
| 1490s | do that that's a pure scope but it's not |
| 1491s | like there's any complicated problems |
| 1493s | that we need to try and fix or like it's |
| 1495s | like oh you fix this and you break this |
| 1496s | like there are fairly timid things that |
| 1498s | going like we can just reig the numbers |
| 1500s | a bit and then it should just make most |
| 1501s | people happy um so I think I'm pretty |
| 1504s | happy with it overall um I think the |
| 1506s | biggest learning is just like you do too |
| 1509s | little and it doesn't make an impact you |
| 1511s | do too much and it just gets messy and |
| 1512s | confusing and like the communications |
| 1514s | and everything and expectations like now |
| 1516s | everyone wants everything touched right |
| 1517s | because it's a big project so why can't |
| 1518s | it touch more um so expectations of that |
| 1521s | have been a bit all over the place so I |
| 1523s | think there's a probably a bounce there |
| 1525s | or something in the Middle where it's |
| 1526s | like it's just enough to make an impact |
| 1528s | on like a c aspect but we're not doing |
| 1530s | five skills and seven different parts of |
| 1531s | combat or whatever right I I thought it |
| 1533s | was very interesting how to begin with |
| 1535s | it seemed like you know there was a |
| 1537s | sentiment that there's a lot here |
| 1538s | there's so much being discussed these |
| 1540s | are too many changes and that's with us |
| 1542s | even splitting it out we were going to |
| 1543s | do more originally I remember we were |
| 1544s | going to just bump everything into one |
| 1546s | big blog and then we decided to split it |
| 1548s | into you know Skilling combat and then |
| 1551s | items uh and and now we get to the last |
| 1553s | part of it everyone's obviously |
| 1554s | processed all the info and it is just |
| 1556s | the case of oh well you're already doing |
| 1557s | this so add this on it as well add this |
| 1558s | on well this on it as well and and we |
| 1560s | just we just can't we're at resource |
| 1562s | block now right there isn't any more |
| 1564s | availability for us to add extra changes |
| 1566s | in there um even the Run energy with |
| 1568s | agility we initially removed that out I |
| 1570s | remember we were going to go with that |
| 1571s | to start with right we took that out |
| 1573s | because they meant that we could fit |
| 1574s | more in elsewhere didn't really feel |
| 1576s | like it would be that big of a deal then |
| 1578s | obviously players really wanted it felt |
| 1579s | like it would have been such a big deal |
| 1582s | um so we brought that back in I think |
| 1584s | the whole agility thing that fascinated |
| 1585s | me seeing uh the response to it which |
| 1588s | was meant to be just a nice quick |
| 1589s | touchup to revamp agility a little bit |
| 1592s | rebalance it want to complete reor and |
| 1594s | it was yeah let's rework the skill which |
| 1597s | by and large we want to do at some point |
| 1599s | but that's not the point of this project |
| 1600s | and I find that difficult to navigate |
| 1603s | when it's coming to Communications |
| 1604s | actually is like how do you communicate |
| 1606s | to a player that this isn't meant to be |
| 1609s | exactly what what you want but it's |
| 1611s | still worth us doing because they'll |
| 1612s | turn around and say like oh we just |
| 1614s | don't do the rebalance just just rework |
| 1616s | the skill instead but I think maybe |
| 1618s | there needs to be more of an |
| 1619s | understanding of like how much Dev |
| 1621s | resource a rebalance cost versus a |
| 1623s | complete rework players are never going |
| 1624s | to fully understand like how projects |
| 1627s | work right and ter are going from like |
| 1628s | Inception to design fitting it into the |
| 1630s | road map all of like the things you have |
| 1631s | to sacrifice to do at certain projects |
| 1633s | like we could do that but it's like |
| 1635s | would you be happy about agility rework |
| 1636s | if we had to drop as an exaggeratory |
| 1639s | example like a raid or something right |
| 1640s | that like if we had to drop a raid for |
| 1642s | that I'm sure people would be upset |
| 1643s | about that we made that choice it's |
| 1644s | never going to be that clear a cut but |
| 1646s | like that is how project management |
| 1648s | works right you got make sacrifices and |
| 1649s | fit things in I think uh like famous |
| 1652s | words of Kier is just like don't let |
| 1654s | perfect be the enemy of good right like |
| 1656s | as much as we all want this perfect |
| 1657s | solution where we completely rework all |
| 1659s | these things we can't let that stop us |
| 1661s | making really strong changes in the |
| 1663s | meantime we can't just put everything on |
| 1664s | a hold um so we do what we can right but |
| 1668s | it's good to know that there's a desire |
| 1669s | for more because we obviously want to |
| 1671s | know what we can work on in the future |
| 1672s | right and the fact that there's an |
| 1673s | appetite there for agility rework |
| 1675s | definitely gives us something to look at |
| 1676s | in the future definitely does speaking |
| 1678s | of the Future Let's segue back into you |
| 1682s | um talk about like aspirations and stuff |
| 1684s | but first of all how did you join jagex |
| 1686s | like was baby Arcane like dreaming of |
| 1688s | being a jod when he first started |
| 1690s | playing RuneScape like this is what I |
| 1692s | want to do yeah so I I've played |
| 1693s | RuneScape for a long time so I'm the old |
| 1695s | age old story right played it as a kid |
| 1697s | Etc like forever um and I got into a |
| 1701s | game called battle right for a long time |
| 1703s | and um I got like really really good at |
| 1706s | that game so before this I was kind of |
| 1707s | like doing web dev General like software |
| 1708s | development that kind of stuff did all |
| 1710s | uni and then uh I played a game called |
| 1713s | battle right a lot and got like really |
| 1714s | really good at it and then I end up |
| 1715s | getting like private discords and stuff |
| 1717s | so I could talk to like the developers |
| 1719s | directly make those relationships and |
| 1721s | then one of them was just like oh why |
| 1722s | don't you apply one day right um so then |
| 1724s | I got that job moved over to Sweden and |
| 1727s | then um then I'm kind of in the games |
| 1729s | industry right so then you you've made |
| 1731s | that first push so then eventually |
| 1733s | obviously I moved on and then uh applied |
| 1735s | to jagex three times got the got a call |
| 1738s | back the third time once I made my CV |
| 1740s | like really cringe my CV has a massive |
| 1742s | picture of tuscal zook on it and like |
| 1745s | had my Inferno KC and like my chasing in |
| 1747s | it like it was so cringe but it was like |
| 1750s | a massive picture of Z like you if you |
| 1752s | had that next to other CVS you would |
| 1754s | have to look at it there's no way you |
| 1755s | weren't looking at CV the cringe worked |
| 1757s | clearly I was just about to say when you |
| 1759s | mentioned like taking a first step in |
| 1760s | Industry I'm like yeah it's one of those |
| 1761s | Industries once you're in it's quite |
| 1763s | easy to move around apparently not |
| 1764s | apparently you need to do that yeah eyes |
| 1767s | of it I also think I was very lucky that |
| 1769s | there was like a um like recruitment |
| 1772s | Handover or something at some point and |
| 1774s | they like changed all the processes I |
| 1775s | think Kieran got a lot more involved at |
| 1776s | that point so that probably helped a lot |
| 1778s | as well that he was more directly |
| 1780s | looking at those things you know the |
| 1781s | creator of Inferno looking at CVS see K |
| 1786s | there he social engineered him that |
| 1789s | brilliant so yeah that's how I end up |
| 1791s | getting to J I love heavy metal and I |
| 1793s | love to com oh okay cool you're hired KN |
| 1796s | if you needed yeah that's bloody you |
| 1798s | brilliant yeah yeah okay well I've got |
| 1801s | if anyone's watching um I keep saying if |
| 1803s | anyone's watching for those of you |
| 1805s | watching cuz you're all definitely |
| 1806s | watching I'm not being super |
| 1808s | unprofessional I am I basically it's |
| 1810s | crazy man I see it C of my eye like Tik |
| 1812s | Tok and Subways over like yeah that's |
| 1813s | just I thought you were going to do |
| 1814s | something different and be like oh he's |
| 1815s | just on hinge she's |
| 1817s | swiping but no I asked Twitter for some |
| 1820s | questions to ask when we get guests on |
| 1822s | the show um so I'd like to just go |
| 1824s | through a few of them if that's okay and |
| 1826s | then we can maybe bounce back and forth |
| 1827s | on uh on asking question yeah let's BCE |
| 1829s | cool you kind of talked about uh was it |
| 1831s | battle right you just said then yeah so |
| 1833s | one of the questions which came in from |
| 1834s | pip actually was what are the games to |
| 1836s | the J mods play and uh do you draw |
| 1838s | inspiration from other games uh and if |
| 1841s | so are there any specific examples I |
| 1843s | think you're a great person to ask for |
| 1845s | this because I already know the answer |
| 1847s | um very much used to be a big PVP gamer |
| 1850s | so I played a lot of World of Warcraft |
| 1851s | got into Battlegrounds I didn't like |
| 1852s | League of Legends and jumped on every |
| 1853s | mever so I went through that like a lot |
| 1855s | of people probably did um and then I |
| 1858s | play right a lot and then got Mega burn |
| 1859s | out on PVP games and that's kind of when |
| 1861s | I got back into RuneScape cuz I was like |
| 1863s | I just want to turn my brain off I just |
| 1865s | chopped trees yeah um so I did that for |
| 1867s | like six months um and then I obviously |
| 1869s | got more into it started doing pvm got |
| 1871s | my infernal cape made an Iron Man and |
| 1873s | obviously the rest is history but uh in |
| 1874s | terms of other games that I play these |
| 1875s | days especially that I don't play |
| 1877s | RuneScape as much anymore um big into |
| 1880s | Path of Exile that's kind of My |
| 1881s | Kryptonite right now so every 3 or four |
| 1884s | months when a new league rolls around |
| 1885s | that's like 3 400 hours of my life just |
| 1888s | gone |
| 1889s | um so that's back kind of my rotations |
| 1891s | but then I'm also like messing around |
| 1892s | with a lot of other Steam games during |
| 1893s | the downtime so when the PE league isn't |
| 1895s | on then I'll play a bunch of other games |
| 1897s | like random things I'm playing game |
| 1898s | called rotwood right now which is like a |
| 1900s | 2.5d monster hunter Rog like it's like |
| 1904s | it feels really good I think the combat |
| 1906s | is phenomenal I think it feels really |
| 1907s | smooth I've been also watching all of |
| 1909s | their sentiment around it cuz they're |
| 1911s | getting a lot of commun uh Community |
| 1913s | feedback saying that it's too hard too |
| 1915s | difficult and everything like that so |
| 1916s | kind of fun to see it on the outside |
| 1917s | right players complaining about the game |
| 1919s | and like how devs respond to it I'm just |
| 1921s | seeing the other perspective which I |
| 1922s | think is quite fun but yeah I think |
| 1925s | there hasn't been an update that I've |
| 1926s | worked on where I haven't drawn |
| 1927s | inspiration from some other game I know |
| 1930s | aka's like uh C |
| 1933s | phase we can say that on here he's |
| 1936s | inspired off shaper in Poe he's got a |
| 1939s | move where he teleports around doing a |
| 1941s | bunch of stuff it had change quite a lot |
| 1942s | into what it is but then I did AIT a bit |
| 1944s | more of a faith Rec creation for the |
| 1946s | musers like teleport attack where that's |
| 1948s | functionally just shaped as cuz I just |
| 1950s | thought it was a really cool attack and |
| 1951s | every boss needs just something cool in |
| 1953s | reality even though it's not very |
| 1954s | difficult attack to avoid or anything |
| 1955s | it's just a bit cool bit flashy um but |
| 1958s | yeah it's always fun trying to find a |
| 1960s | mechanic or a boss that you really like |
| 1961s | and you're like what would this actually |
| 1963s | look like in RuneScape 90% of the time |
| 1965s | does not work tick based tile system |
| 1967s | doesn't translate into 99% of games out |
| 1970s | there um but sometimes you do come up |
| 1972s | with an idea from it aka's memory attack |
| 1974s | as well you memorize a quadrant again |
| 1976s | that's based off the maven and Poe she |
| 1978s | has a memory attack but yeah draw a lot |
| 1980s | of inspiration they've got a lot of |
| 1981s | really cool bosses nice I I I knew Pap |
| 1983s | of xile was com I was just waiting for |
| 1985s | the full question the question could |
| 1987s | have been so tell us about PA of Exile |
| 1989s | why you like so much a good talk forever |
| 1991s | man this one ask about quests but I'm |
| 1993s | going to ask about content instead uh |
| 1995s | but Dan has basically asked what does |
| 1997s | the process of Designing uh new content |
| 2000s | look like under the hood and how does |
| 2003s | the team collaborate to combine the tech |
| 2005s | elements um okay maybe it is more about |
| 2007s | Quest cuz they say about with the |
| 2009s | storytelling aspect of the game but I |
| 2011s | guess any cont content generally what is |
| 2013s | it what's it like developing content in |
| 2015s | the old school team and how do you make |
| 2017s | that content actually work process-wise |
| 2019s | I can probably speak a decent amount in |
| 2021s | terms of like going from like idea to |
| 2024s | making the content good probably a bit |
| 2026s | more nebulous and fluffy of just like |
| 2028s | yeah we just play it and iterate it |
| 2030s | until it feels good right and like what |
| 2031s | feels good is just what feels right at |
| 2033s | the end of the day what feels old school |
| 2034s | what feels correct and I mean we get |
| 2036s | players in as well right so they can we |
| 2038s | get a lot of players to player |
| 2039s | validation which is really nice um so |
| 2041s | that part is probably a bit more of a |
| 2042s | fluffy answer but in terms of like |
| 2044s | actual process everything starts as an |
| 2046s | idea right it starts with a random idea |
| 2048s | that someone has and then you you make |
| 2050s | it bigger and bigger you flesh out the |
| 2051s | design and then you're eventually |
| 2052s | proposing it to people I usually propose |
| 2054s | stuff to Kieran or whatever since he's |
| 2055s | my direct line manager um and then we'll |
| 2058s | like refine the idea come up with it and |
| 2059s | we're like yeah this is actually a |
| 2060s | pretty good idea is there a spot on the |
| 2062s | road map for it we've got a road map |
| 2063s | that's like three years ahead of time |
| 2065s | right now where we try and plan out like |
| 2066s | what we're actually working on some of |
| 2068s | the slots are a bit more fluffy where |
| 2069s | it's just like pvm content and there |
| 2071s | isn't an actual like flesh update for it |
| 2073s | but that means there's holes to fill |
| 2075s | right we know we need to design a pvm |
| 2076s | update so we got this slot and it's |
| 2078s | assigned like three or four months so |
| 2080s | it's like okay we we'll see what we can |
| 2081s | work with let's see what IDs we can come |
| 2083s | up with is there any thematics that have |
| 2085s | been Mis uh under represent |
| 2088s | underrepresented or like any thematics |
| 2090s | or areas of the the game or anything |
| 2092s | like that like we've not done a penguin |
| 2093s | quest in a while should we do a penguin |
| 2095s | Quest that kind of deal right yeah um so |
| 2097s | it is very much just come up with an |
| 2099s | idea find thematics that feel |
| 2100s | appropriate find areas that maybe feels |
| 2103s | like a bit more love like we did that |
| 2104s | for the desert right we're like okay the |
| 2106s | desert kind of sucks let's actually |
| 2108s | populate the desert a bit and we did |
| 2109s | like a year and a half of just purely |
| 2111s | desert content almost um but yeah I |
| 2114s | don't know I don't know how structured |
| 2116s | of a response to really give but yeah |
| 2117s | it's very much idea flush it out |
| 2120s | proposal try and convince ones put in |
| 2122s | the road map and then you get goes in |
| 2124s | goes into pre-production we flesh out |
| 2125s | the ideas more get refined designs m |
| 2128s | start prototyping um play test it's a |
| 2131s | right play test it's a right release |
| 2132s | really obviously the players are |
| 2134s | hopefully along that entire journey I |
| 2136s | think that's a pretty fair answer and I |
| 2137s | can expand on it a little bit I know |
| 2138s | that every two weeks there's a group of |
| 2140s | uh leadership within the old school team |
| 2142s | who meet and they discuss the road map |
| 2144s | and any changes that might need to |
| 2145s | happen to it that's probably where some |
| 2147s | of these ideas that you're talking about |
| 2149s | that you've spoke over and and went |
| 2150s | through uh come forward and it's like |
| 2152s | does this actually seem like a good fit |
| 2154s | and then we have representation from you |
| 2155s | know marketing Community Development |
| 2157s | Tech QA art uh and we will get to then |
| 2160s | just uh essentially yeah talk it out and |
| 2162s | just see if it's something that we want |
| 2163s | to be able to put in there if it works I |
| 2165s | guess a good example of that is the rur |
| 2167s | itself like that was very much born of |
| 2169s | like I was kind of looking at the road |
| 2170s | map with Kieran and we're like outside |
| 2173s | of like all of the the regular releases |
| 2175s | we don't have any like main game content |
| 2177s | in like uh quarter three quarter four of |
| 2180s | the year like first half the year |
| 2181s | looking pretty strong second half not |
| 2183s | not looking so great so like we should |
| 2184s | really try and fit something in like do |
| 2186s | we have capacity anywhere and we found |
| 2187s | out my team probably has a decent amount |
| 2189s | of capacity if we can get through the |
| 2190s | other stuff fairly quickly um what can |
| 2192s | we do in the slot what's a good um |
| 2195s | efficient use of resources because we |
| 2196s | didn't have a lot of art capacity |
| 2197s | because a lot of that on violent War |
| 2199s | that's a massive update right requires a |
| 2200s | lot going into it so we don't have a lot |
| 2202s | of art capacity for that like what is |
| 2203s | the best thing we could do with our |
| 2204s | limited amount of resource and aaur |
| 2207s | obviously it's got a concept that |
| 2208s | already technically exists right it's an |
| 2209s | RS3 we've got axite cave and morania or |
| 2213s | exist fairly new wall kit and everything |
| 2214s | so it's not like it's a really old area |
| 2215s | that needs refurbishing or anything like |
| 2217s | that um and we already have a lot of |
| 2219s | ideas to bounce off of so it's kind of |
| 2221s | like this might actually work where it's |
| 2223s | like okay it's fairly cheap SL boss |
| 2225s | concept Slayer bosses are usually a lot |
| 2226s | simpler than like a raid or something |
| 2228s | like that so scope's a lot smaller uh |
| 2230s | we've already got a lot of environment |
| 2231s | work done so like this might actually |
| 2233s | work and obviously we talked about it in |
| 2234s | that meeting that you mentioned and |
| 2236s | everyone kind of agreed like yeah that |
| 2238s | kind of fits the bill let's let's get it |
| 2239s | in right now we just need to talk about |
| 2241s | it although I imagine people will have |
| 2243s | already found out about Axor before they |
| 2245s | watched this yeah so there'll be uh |
| 2247s | obviously the standard blog posts and |
| 2249s | stuff that people have gone through but |
| 2250s | no that's uh thank you for explaining |
| 2252s | Axor is a really good example of that |
| 2254s | and uh did you find something juicy |
| 2256s | found a couple oh here we go a lot of |
| 2258s | crap to scroll through but I found a |
| 2260s | couple of good ones nice and one of them |
| 2262s | I'm going to make good by changing it a |
| 2263s | little bit first of all M Kane what do |
| 2265s | you think is the biggest problem facing |
| 2267s | old school RuneScape today probably very |
| 2269s | biased because of what I work on like |
| 2271s | day and day out but just reward space |
| 2273s | like I remember coming into the company |
| 2275s | and going like oh J always complain |
| 2277s | about Rewards space like they're so like |
| 2279s | stupid like I've got loads of ideas like |
| 2281s | it's so easy I can come with thousands |
| 2283s | of ideas of rewards and then I go |
| 2284s | through like the process of like |
| 2286s | designing a reward iterating on it |
| 2287s | getting through feedback figuring out |
| 2288s | like what cracks it can and cannot fill |
| 2291s | like all that stuff I'm like God damn |
| 2292s | reward space is so tight man like it's |
| 2294s | ridiculous and like matching rewards |
| 2296s | with like the difficulty of the content |
| 2297s | as well is even more difficult like I |
| 2299s | think NEX is a really good example of |
| 2301s | that where it's like we wanted this to |
| 2302s | be like the next big difficult group |
| 2304s | boss and next OB was back then so it |
| 2305s | feels like it has to match that so that |
| 2307s | means it needs reward that justify it |
| 2309s | but then rewards that justify like TVA |
| 2311s | like it would be weird if TVA was like a |
| 2313s | 10-hour grind right like if that feel |
| 2315s | bizar compared to like Bandos maybe like |
| 2317s | 30 or 40 hour grind I'm just rough |
| 2320s | numbers off the top of my head like it'd |
| 2321s | be weird if torvet was a shorter grind |
| 2323s | than Bandos so then we make that grind |
| 2325s | like what we think is deserving compared |
| 2327s | to like ancestral and Missori Ori wasn't |
| 2330s | out at the time but other related pieces |
| 2332s | of content right but then all of a |
| 2333s | sudden you realize that okay well it's a |
| 2335s | group boss it's not a raid it's not |
| 2337s | really that fun to do that many times |
| 2339s | like it gets a bit tedious eventually so |
| 2341s | then like trying to match like |
| 2343s | difficulty versus content versus like |
| 2344s | enjoyment of content run the grind like |
| 2346s | how fun that actual grind is and the |
| 2348s | actual power of the reward like matching |
| 2350s | that all up whilst finding niches to |
| 2351s | fill there just sometime a nightmare |
| 2353s | it's just absolutely impossible so |
| 2355s | that's why we come up with some random |
| 2356s | Niche [ __ ] sometimes right where |
| 2358s | it's just kind of like yeah we don't |
| 2359s | really know where it's going to be used |
| 2360s | but it's going to be really strong like |
| 2362s | these three cases like vener B right I |
| 2364s | mean yeah the ven bow though look at |
| 2365s | that now yeah it's really popular made |
| 2368s | at the time everyone was criticizing |
| 2370s | even the Fang at the time everyone like |
| 2372s | where you going to use the fang man |
| 2373s | that's like so [ __ ] like rap's better |
| 2375s | DPS on low defense there isn't anything |
| 2377s | with high defense we've made stuff with |
| 2378s | high defense so now it's really useful |
| 2380s | and coincidentally it's also just really |
| 2381s | good everywhere |
| 2382s | else might have fallen but at the time |
| 2385s | everyone's saying like that's the |
| 2386s | weakest reward in TOA one thing comes to |
| 2389s | mind too is like players telling us to |
| 2390s | kind of focus on niches stop giving us |
| 2392s | stuff that sting rolls we need to manage |
| 2394s | power creep and then with TOA hecka and |
| 2397s | then of a sudden like this is not strong |
| 2399s | enough yeah it's not strong enough and I |
| 2400s | was like fine here's a [ __ ] Shadow oh |
| 2402s | Shadow's too strong I'm not saying like |
| 2404s | we can't do these proper there |
| 2405s | definitely problems but like this is why |
| 2407s | it's always a problem it's always |
| 2409s | difficult there's just so many |
| 2410s | perspectives so many variables absolute |
| 2412s | Nightmare and I think it's just going to |
| 2413s | get harder and harder as time goes on |
| 2415s | like I'm thinking about rewards for |
| 2416s | rocks already and I'm just like |
| 2417s | scratching my head like it's so hard but |
| 2420s | how do we fix that I mean stuff like |
| 2421s | project rebounds helps a lot right we |
| 2423s | create range Space by introducing the |
| 2425s | new like light standard and heavy sty |
| 2426s | that gives us reward space um the |
| 2429s | elemental rebounds that let us push like |
| 2430s | Elemental spells a bit more maybe we can |
| 2432s | interact with that and element Elemental |
| 2434s | weaknesses a bit more um that gives us a |
| 2437s | reward space to push on but we can't |
| 2439s | just rework the entire game constantly |
| 2440s | to give us reward space we has to be |
| 2442s | this like give and take a bit soft and |
| 2444s | sometimes we can find existing stuff |
| 2445s | again like the ven Bell but um it's |
| 2448s | things like that but uh we're never |
| 2450s | going to get away from the problem of |
| 2452s | this feels too Niche make it stronger |
| 2454s | and now it's too much power creep it's |
| 2455s | just Towing that line constantly and not |
| 2457s | everyone agrees on what where that line |
| 2459s | is and it moves as well we we'll Aquas |
| 2462s | and introduce something really strong |
| 2463s | and then that will undermine existing |
| 2465s | content you talk about like God Wars |
| 2467s | armors or even things like barrows |
| 2468s | people have like especially people who |
| 2470s | newly come back to old school and |
| 2472s | they're looking at like what's their |
| 2473s | that's really important to as well |
| 2474s | preserving all all content we really |
| 2475s | don't want to do that I think that's |
| 2477s | something we do really well as well |
| 2478s | though if you consider how many items |
| 2479s | are still relevant that were around 10 |
| 2482s | 15 years ago or even like the original |
| 2484s | there's only so many times we can be |
| 2486s | like okay you can make an Ingot with |
| 2489s | existing armor and you can add it and |
| 2490s | fortify it to this thing so do you like |
| 2492s | then break t down like make the new Tor |
| 2495s | break that down it's like just this |
| 2497s | massive chain like theoretically |
| 2500s | maybe maybe that is the best solution |
| 2503s | but it starts to feel really artificial |
| 2505s | and weird right and then you get away |
| 2506s | from like you don't drop like actual |
| 2508s | items then you're dropping like |
| 2509s | components which feels a bit bizarre and |
| 2511s | that's when you get into the Realms of I |
| 2512s | think games like Poe where I I might be |
| 2514s | wrong cuz uh mod Goblin every time he |
| 2517s | plays and like a new league and stuff he |
| 2519s | screen shares and I'm like all right |
| 2520s | walk me through what are you trying to |
| 2521s | achieve and I don't get it cuz there's |
| 2523s | so many when you're creating gear and |
| 2525s | crafting and stuff like that it seems to |
| 2526s | be so much to it whereas old school has |
| 2528s | that kind of simplistic here's some |
| 2530s | ingredients you mash it all together and |
| 2532s | here's something in reality right right |
| 2535s | yeah in RuneScape that is but yeah PE |
| 2537s | and Beast and sound it's why I can't get |
| 2539s | back into it I'm to I'm too I'm too dumb |
| 2542s | so hard you start small you just do what |
| 2544s | your content creat tell you right just |
| 2545s | like our community does it's just like |
| 2547s | yeah use a setup use a strategy just |
| 2550s | follow that and then once you get |
| 2551s | comfortable you start to learn and |
| 2552s | experiment and stuff right you say that |
| 2554s | but I did that and then I watched |
| 2555s | someone else on Twitch playing it and |
| 2557s | I'm like they've just done 15 different |
| 2559s | crafts in 10 seconds with systems I |
| 2560s | didn't even know existed to make the |
| 2562s | items that I spent 10 hours trying to |
| 2563s | find one of which never got and I was |
| 2565s | just like what whoa but you know that's |
| 2567s | a kind of game where a thousand hours |
| 2569s | play time is like considered you're |
| 2570s | still new their version of Iron Man is |
| 2572s | very unforgiving like you kind of need |
| 2574s | to understand the G how the game works |
| 2575s | to get away with it it's it's crazy |
| 2577s | extremely fun though I can see why uh |
| 2579s | you're so into it but yeah uh the next |
| 2581s | question I found was about if you had to |
| 2583s | choose another profession which would |
| 2585s | you choose now you might surprise me CH |
| 2587s | something completely out left field but |
| 2589s | on the off chance you're like no I like |
| 2591s | this what what kind of long-term |
| 2593s | aspirations of in the game industry are |
| 2595s | there any Studios I mean you love Poe |
| 2597s | right so grinding gear would you like |
| 2598s | would you like jump at a chance to go |
| 2599s | and work for work on Poe or that type of |
| 2602s | thing there's a big part of me where if |
| 2604s | I did get the offer to work at grinding |
| 2605s | gear games I'd like really want to again |
| 2607s | it's a game that I love but like I also |
| 2609s | love RuneScape and I also know the state |
| 2611s | of the games industry and as much as I |
| 2612s | love the game that doesn't mean working |
| 2614s | there is very good yeah um ignoring the |
| 2616s | fact that I have to go to New Zealand um |
| 2619s | not really a big fan of that but um okay |
| 2622s | yeah I mean it's a far away right all |
| 2623s | right cool I like I think it' be a |
| 2625s | beautiful place but yeah a bit far away |
| 2627s | from family really but um yeah so bit |
| 2631s | conflicted on that really um I really |
| 2633s | like my place here at jagex I think I |
| 2636s | can talk a lot and like get respected |
| 2638s | and stuff like my ideas come across |
| 2639s | people like will listen to you generally |
| 2641s | which I think is quite rare in the games |
| 2643s | industry most of the time you'll just |
| 2644s | get told what to do and you'll go do it |
| 2646s | oh it's tough so I made the move right |
| 2647s | from JX elsewhere and I found I've gone |
| 2650s | from having a pretty strong voice in |
| 2653s | terms of I think we do this with the |
| 2654s | players yeah and In fairness you know I |
| 2657s | moved to CCP games and working on new |
| 2659s | project I was listened to very well but |
| 2661s | sometimes you struggling with balancing |
| 2663s | project needs and then I was like oh it |
| 2664s | wasn't this hard when I was working on |
| 2666s | Old School yeah and then moving into |
| 2667s | consultancy with three or four different |
| 2669s | Studios I was working with especially as |
| 2671s | a consultant you're you're more on the |
| 2673s | outside yeah you're absolutely spot on |
| 2675s | it's um it's tough to them to get used |
| 2677s | to a but listen to what I have to say |
| 2680s | you see that time and time again though |
| 2682s | people leaving jagex and then just com |
| 2683s | back cuz the grass isn't Greener like I |
| 2685s | think Jag actually is a bit of a golden |
| 2687s | egg in reality as much as it gets memed |
| 2689s | on but it is a really good place to work |
| 2692s | for um but what other the professions I |
| 2695s | would do uh serus answer or or they're |
| 2697s | both serious answers realistic answer |
| 2700s | sure um probably web development again |
| 2703s | that's kind of what I did before I did a |
| 2704s | bunch of web development before I came |
| 2705s | into the games industry yeah non- |
| 2707s | serious answer can I want to be a |
| 2708s | postman all right I think it's like a |
| 2710s | really relaxing idea just walking around |
| 2712s | delivering man chill that's second on my |
| 2714s | list too yeah so chill man like they |
| 2717s | always look so happy at Le the one that |
| 2719s | I interact with maybe I just live in a |
| 2720s | good area right but oh I'd want to do it |
| 2722s | somewhere rural yeah I wouldn't want to |
| 2724s | be like having to go up imagine like |
| 2726s | having to go up like 10 |
| 2728s | stairs or something block of FL but |
| 2729s | instead you're in rural you got to go |
| 2730s | through all the windy lanes and if it's |
| 2733s | snowing it would be lovely until you're |
| 2735s | the one on the road and then there's |
| 2736s | some kid in a Vox all corser coming |
| 2738s | around too fast nearly hits you you lost |
| 2741s | all the packages then what you going to |
| 2742s | do I don't know I still didn't think |
| 2744s | this one through very well did you it's |
| 2745s | not my dream it's yours |
| 2748s | Andes do you know what that's a good |
| 2750s | point fair play you got me I thought it |
| 2752s | through though you see I wouldn't choose |
| 2754s | to rural i' ni Village yeah probably |
| 2757s | would do the same I I want I want to ask |
| 2759s | the same question to you that you asked |
| 2761s | Arcane is that okay what would you do if |
| 2763s | you weren't working in the gaming |
| 2764s | industry you're obviously not |
| 2766s | Postman no I'm not you know what I think |
| 2769s | I'd like to be a personal trainer yeah |
| 2771s | yeah I see it I don't think here's the |
| 2773s | thing I get paid pretty well and I don't |
| 2776s | want to take a step back in my career or |
| 2778s | elsewhere it's like now I'm so far in |
| 2780s | I'm stuck I'm it's where you retire |
| 2782s | right that kind of job maybe that is the |
| 2784s | unrealistic job I don't have another one |
| 2786s | I wanted to ask you have have you have |
| 2787s | any have you had any odd jobs uh my dad |
| 2790s | owned a hairdressing salon so I was just |
| 2792s | kind of the [ __ ] boy doing all the |
| 2794s | bruise make getting everyone lunch and |
| 2796s | stuff brushing up like all all the crap |
| 2798s | jobs so I did that for like you us to |
| 2800s | get everywhere everywhere yeah you wash |
| 2802s | hair as well oh old women's hair as an |
| 2805s | experience yeah yeah sounds like there's |
| 2807s | a story there drafted All the gossip as |
| 2810s | well yeah exactly just sat there |
| 2812s | surrounded by women in a stylist just |
| 2814s | gossing I'm like oh my God kill me |
| 2818s | it's like I just want to go and play |
| 2819s | video games like I'm not interested in |
| 2821s | this um that was probably my biggest odd |
| 2823s | job I did have a I was a what's the word |
| 2826s | like your kitchen sink washer what's the |
| 2829s | word for like por pot wash yeah pot |
| 2830s | washer I did that once one night poor |
| 2834s | poor yeah yeah and my friend basically |
| 2836s | need the night off and I said i' cover |
| 2837s | him uh drove over there did it for like |
| 2839s | 4 hours didn't wear gloves my hands were |
| 2842s | completely ruined didn't understand how |
| 2844s | to wash like boiling hot pans with oil |
| 2846s | so obviously turn tap on boiling hot oil |
| 2849s | explodes um that wasn't good got shouted |
| 2852s | out B there um then they tried to pay me |
| 2854s | a Fiverr for some reason uh for like |
| 2856s | four hours of |
| 2858s | work because you nearly set the place on |
| 2860s | fire but I did go back afterwards and |
| 2862s | get more B I was just like no not taking |
| 2864s | that but uh yeah never did that again |
| 2867s | we're similar job and I got paid a f for |
| 2869s | it I was 14 I think maybe 13 14 I was a |
| 2873s | potato boy in a chip shop potato boy and |
| 2875s | what you do is you just you cut potatoes |
| 2877s | people potatoes and washing and stuff |
| 2878s | and it was like a fiber but that was |
| 2880s | banging at the time yeah did that did |
| 2882s | that with a paper root as well you still |
| 2883s | have the skills like you're still going |
| 2884s | to potato I can put potatoes yeah I was |
| 2886s | going to say like I've watched skill |
| 2888s | Spec's cooking stream on Saturday I had |
| 2889s | to I had to tell him beforehand right |
| 2892s | the last cooking stream I tuned in of |
| 2894s | his he was peeling a potato with the |
| 2896s | biggest clunkiest it looked like a bread |
| 2897s | knife type thing oh my God and I donate |
| 2899s | I never donate I barely ever what |
| 2901s | streams I don't I only sub to my mates |
| 2902s | and that sorry everyone um I donated |
| 2905s | money to skill specs I was like please |
| 2907s | buy P cuz I think you're going to cut |
| 2908s | your hand off he didn't yeah no he |
| 2910s | didn't he he is something else that |
| 2912s | cooking stream I'm just remembering very |
| 2915s | vividly the image in my head of him |
| 2917s | thrusting a knife into a banal Leaf as |
| 2919s | it's dropping out of the air god |
| 2922s | terrified of tomato it was a clean cut |
| 2924s | it was was so shocked how clean that cut |
| 2926s | did well it's very entertaining all |
| 2929s | those PVP skills you know clearly fast |
| 2931s | reaction |
| 2932s | speeds oh dear okay well soon as you |
| 2936s | didn't ask me why job I wanted are there |
| 2938s | any other questions you want to ask or |
| 2940s | do we want to call this podcast a r s I |
| 2942s | just want to ask more easier question |
| 2943s | really okay accepted uh MOA if you had |
| 2947s | to have another job what would your |
| 2948s | dream job be oh my God I'm so glad that |
| 2950s | you are aside from Postman because I |
| 2951s | think you said that was your second well |
| 2953s | I technically lied it's kind of like my |
| 2954s | second my second on the list isn't |
| 2956s | really a job it's to not have a job but |
| 2959s | that's not to be unemployed okay yeah so |
| 2961s | my my first one is to own my own piece |
| 2964s | of Woodland and to essentially |
| 2968s | use that to learn how to become like a |
| 2970s | tree surgeon I think it's called like |
| 2972s | Harbor culture or something like that |
| 2974s | all right basically if I could go back |
| 2977s | in time now I would learn to be a man of |
| 2979s | the woods and that's what I would come |
| 2981s | up with Tom bomil just walking through |
| 2982s | the woods I don't know who that is |
| 2985s | reference yeah I I'd be like a some |
| 2986s | people get that reference is that like a |
| 2988s | hobby you can pursue like I've been I've |
| 2991s | been saving up to be able to buy my own |
| 2993s | piece of Woodland so that's like the |
| 2994s | next thing but you know life is |
| 2996s | expensive and |
| 2998s | last years well pre you could get like a |
| 3000s | pretty good patch for like 15,000 or so |
| 3004s | um now like for a couple of Acres it's |
| 3007s | probably upwards of like 30 40 Co made |
| 3009s | it go crazy and it depends on what like |
| 3011s | rights and stuff they have on the land |
| 3013s | to to fell in trees and if there's like |
| 3015s | minerals and stuff like that but anyway |
| 3017s | but the actual dream would be to live |
| 3020s | off grid and essentially live a |
| 3023s | self-sustained life on my own Homestead |
| 3025s | so I wouldn't have a job maybe i' do a |
| 3027s | few little things on the side um I'm |
| 3029s | really into like Woodworking and wood |
| 3031s | carving so I don't know maybe I'd just |
| 3033s | like have a little shop that people can |
| 3034s | buy funky things that I make from my |
| 3036s | wood that I chop the trees down and make |
| 3039s | the logs and we give you a license you |
| 3040s | can make like RuneScape stuff oh I mean |
| 3043s | I could yeah thanks I suppose you ever |
| 3045s | watched Gravity Falls no there's a |
| 3047s | basically a character in there called |
| 3048s | like grinkle Stan and he just lives in a |
| 3050s | cabin in the woods and just has like the |
| 3051s | Mystery Shack where he just got a bunch |
| 3053s | of random like animals that is obviously |
| 3055s | a what's the word stuff animals the word |
| 3058s | plushies no stff ta tax like a bunch of |
| 3063s | plushies that's a very big difference he |
| 3065s | just got a shacking full of plushies |
| 3068s | marshmallows everywhere but that's how |
| 3070s | he makes money the kbd V you know just |
| 3073s | chilling in there okay yeah taxidermist |
| 3075s | you can become a grun St I monus a |
| 3078s | Taxidermy that would freak me out a |
| 3079s | little bit to be honest me you can come |
| 3081s | up with a different mystery Shar yeah do |
| 3083s | some whittling you know yeah I would do |
| 3085s | the whittling but not Taxidermy I made a |
| 3088s | you trade your whittles for the uh |
| 3091s | Taxidermy true that is no I just don't |
| 3093s | want them I don't I just don't want them |
| 3095s | I'll just have W figurines I did a |
| 3097s | Wilderness survival course one weekend |
| 3100s | and uh we had to we didn't have to you |
| 3102s | chose to and I I put myself forward for |
| 3104s | it you have to use a you have to what |
| 3106s | sorry don't worry it's just a bad |
| 3108s | RuneScape joke oh I didn't hear it oh |
| 3110s | okay I said do you have to use Adin Adin |
| 3112s | oh Adin no the w a survival anyway |
| 3115s | moving on tell me about the W survival |
| 3116s | course |
| 3117s | we made pigeon for heers um but we |
| 3120s | didn't we weren't given any tools so we |
| 3122s | had to use our hands to what with the to |
| 3126s | get how many get the breast off the |
| 3127s | pigeon we used our bare hands did you |
| 3129s | have to get the pigeon yourself the |
| 3130s | pigeons were already shot they were from |
| 3131s | a farm that was that would have been |
| 3133s | tricky just using your hands yeah for |
| 3134s | anyone that that you know don't worry it |
| 3136s | wasn't like any animal abuse obviously |
| 3137s | the pigeons died but they were weren't |
| 3140s | abused no they were they were called |
| 3141s | ethically because pigeons are a pest and |
| 3144s | they eat crops that's what they told us |
| 3146s | so |
| 3147s | yeah um yeah no we had to we were given |
| 3149s | a dead pigeon and we had to essentially |
| 3153s | open it up and take the breast out I'm |
| 3154s | not going to go into too much detail |
| 3155s | because like this I think you've already |
| 3156s | gone into enough detail yeah anyway |
| 3158s | whatever heat is good honestly they were |
| 3160s | banging we got mint as well and uh wild |
| 3163s | garlic and potatoes from the from the |
| 3165s | Woodland and made it with that they |
| 3167s | brought peppers and onions though we |
| 3168s | didn't get those and they brought forit |
| 3170s | spice we didn't get that from the W I'm |
| 3171s | not going to lie sounds like a fun |
| 3173s | course but I don't think you're ready |
| 3176s | like the life based on that it's not if |
| 3178s | people got to come and drop off like for |
| 3179s | heat mix oh yeah but it's because it was |
| 3181s | there wasn't it I mean if I didn't have |
| 3183s | it I wouldn't use it but I'd sell a few |
| 3184s | whittling things and go to Tesco buy |
| 3187s | myself a heat of spice self- sustained |
| 3189s | yeah it is self- sustained I made the |
| 3190s | money you know you're like a group IR |
| 3193s | man yeah kind of basically me and Tesco |
| 3196s | in a group you know the thing is Grand |
| 3197s | ones I'll take a c even if you are |
| 3200s | living off grid I don't I don't believe |
| 3202s | there are many people out there who live |
| 3203s | off grid that wouldn't want some Modern |
| 3205s | luxuries in life sure you would all |
| 3207s | yeah you know like I'd probably hit up |
| 3209s | Elon and ask for whatever that starlink |
| 3211s | thing's called get internet cuz I'd |
| 3213s | still want a game in my little cabin but |
| 3215s | I wouldn't have a radiator I'd have a |
| 3218s | log stove instead you know and I |
| 3221s | probably wouldn't kill animals to eat |
| 3222s | feel like you live in a fantasy world I |
| 3224s | am that's why I said it's not realistic |
| 3226s | so I'll be a |
| 3227s | postman let's go compromise the same BL |
| 3232s | oh dear okay I've I've spoke way too |
| 3234s | much uh I I don't have any more |
| 3235s | questions to ask right now |
| 3238s | is there anything you want to tell the |
| 3240s | the people listening and watching Arcane |
| 3242s | no no is there anything you want to ask |
| 3244s | us about Arcane no okay there there is |
| 3246s | actually one question that I was going |
| 3247s | to ask and it just came back to me I |
| 3248s | forgot it and I was trying to play it |
| 3250s | off call um you're doing well what I |
| 3253s | think everyone who's worked at old |
| 3254s | school has had one of these moments and |
| 3256s | if you haven't then cool we'll just move |
| 3257s | on and end it the podcast that is but |
| 3262s | what was the first moment that truly |
| 3264s | made you panic when working on Old |
| 3266s | School I think it was when dark Mayer |
| 3270s | launched okay and I was working in the |
| 3272s | operators and I was working on Twisted |
| 3274s | ancestral so I was adding these new |
| 3276s | objects into the game and dark May |
| 3279s | launched and there was a bit of an issue |
| 3281s | on that launch if you remember where we |
| 3283s | accidentally shuffled all of the object |
| 3285s | IDs in the game cuz we missed out a key |
| 3287s | step and what that ended up being was |
| 3290s | the people that some people had Twisted |
| 3292s | ancestral that shouldn't because of the |
| 3294s | the shuffle MH so I thought that I caus |
| 3296s | that problem I thought that I broke the |
| 3298s | entire game somehow by adding Twisted |
| 3300s | ancestral wasn't anything related to me |
| 3302s | at all but that was when I panicked um |
| 3306s | yeah that was a rough day have you done |
| 3308s | anything that broke the game I mean I've |
| 3309s | caused my share of bugs but I broke I |
| 3312s | don't think so nothing major I think |
| 3315s | Lenny was actually asking or it was |
| 3317s | Lenny and Ed they were talking about how |
| 3320s | yeah you're going to be the next person |
| 3321s | who causes a roll back you're the next |
| 3323s | roll back I was just like how ironic |
| 3325s | that Lenny's the one t I know he's |
| 3327s | called M but I was obious like why and |
| 3330s | they were like oh we've had a very |
| 3331s | scientific method and it it was a |
| 3333s | two-step verification process and both |
| 3335s | results said that you were going to roll |
| 3336s | back the game that's really weird they |
| 3338s | just whacked out Google Authenticator |
| 3339s | and it's your name Arcane is the code it |
| 3341s | turns out that they have one of those uh |
| 3344s | like like pendulum things where you like |
| 3346s | it's like a ball and it like goes into a |
| 3348s | direction basically a magic a ball right |
| 3351s | equivalent right and it just said that I |
| 3352s | was going to do it twice I thought you |
| 3353s | going to say like one of those paper |
| 3354s | things like 1 2 three four I made for a |
| 3358s | jolly with a napkin so who knows maybe |
| 3360s | soon I'll cause a roll back but um okay |
| 3362s | yeah there's another thing for Reddit to |
| 3364s | latch on to their next roll back someone |
| 3366s | lost their pets because of you yeah |
| 3367s | probably on that note I guess it's a |
| 3370s | wrap y uh well this has been the very |
| 3372s | first official old school runes skate |
| 3374s | podcast with myself |
| 3377s | miza me mod S and M as our first ever |
| 3381s | guest we hope you enjoyed it um make |
| 3383s | sure that you like subscribe listen to |
| 3385s | the whole thing you probably have if |
| 3387s | you've got here but if you haven't go |
| 3388s | back to the start don't skip to the end |
| 3390s | it's not you can't read like the last |
| 3392s | page of a book and get the same |
| 3393s | experience that context matters but |
| 3397s | anyway I'm going now Mo Kane did you |
| 3398s | enjoy it would you recommend would you |
| 3400s | come on it again would you recommend it |
| 3401s | to your col it was really fun it very |
| 3403s | refreshing from the Q&A format good all |
| 3405s | right validation I was pausing my wave |
| 3407s | goodbye that was a really good way to |
| 3409s | should have asked you but I just lost it |
| 3411s | so bye see you |