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I haven't played in a few years and I'm back with some meme builds that I will be playing with my buddy.

Ok so the text of Supreme Grandstanding says that any charge is shared amongst allies. Now that Forbidden Flesh/Flame is a thing, also getting Instruments of Zeal is easy and not build-bricking.

Now Fanaticism charges should be able to be shared, which the buff is absolutely insane: 75% more cast speed, 75% AoE and 75% reduced mana cost (which equates to about 18 frenzy charges worth of more cast speed). The downside of needing to attack is taken care of by a 2nd character who is always attacking - via cyclone. This also frees up the 1st character to use a channeling skill to abuse the huge cast speed with 100% uptime. I decided for this build to use Incinerate.

Bonuses: Divinity charges can be shared via Garb of the Ephemeral (also easier to use with Crystallized Omniscience if we go that route), Brutal/Absorption charges with those belts, Inspiration charges via Inspiration support, obviously standard frenzy/power/endurance. We are going to be some chargy bois. I will let you all know how this duo works out.

Bonus bonus: all skills should be free with all of the reduced mana cost we will be getting, including link skills which we will be implementing.

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about 1 year ago - /u/Mark_GGG - Direct link

Ok so the text of Supreme Grandstanding says that any charge is shared amongst allies

It says allies share their charges (of any type) with you, not the other way around. Sharing is not innately bidirectional. If entity A shares charges with entity B, that means when A gains a charge, B will also gain a charge. This requires that both of them can gain that kind of charge.

If B has 0 maximum charges of that type, B cannot gain the shared charge.

Charges are not buffs, and do not innately apply any bonus to players (or monsters). If B does not have any stats which give them something for having those charges, any such charges they gain will do nothing for them.

So if both players have Instruments of Zeal, then one of them could usefully share Fanatic Charges with the other.

about 1 year ago - /u/Mark_GGG - Direct link

Originally posted by SmarmyPapsmears

So if both players have Instruments of Zeal, then one of them could usefully share Fanatic Charges with the other.

Right, I plan on both characters having Supreme Grandstanding and Instruments of Zeal.

Charges are not buffs, and do not innately apply any bonus to players (or monsters). If B does not have any stats which give them something for having those charges, any such charges they gain will do nothing for them.

So does this mean Brutal and Absorption charges will provide nothing when shared?

All characters innately have specific bonuses-per-charge for the three standard charge types, and the three "alternate" charge types they can be effectively replaced with by the unique belts. These can be seen in the character panel so long as you have the ability to have charges of that type.

about 1 year ago - /u/Mark_GGG - Direct link

Originally posted by SmarmyPapsmears

So let's say player B has Arn's belt, and gains an Endurance charge (which converts to Brutal charge), would player A then gain an Endurance charge if he does not have the belt equipped?

Player B did not gain an Endurance Charge, so cannot share one. They gained a Brutal Charge.

Player A, without the belt, has 0 maximum Brutal Charges, so cannot gain the charge B tried to share with them.

But if Player A gains an Endurance Charge and shares that with B, B will gain a Brutal Charge instead due to the belt's effect.