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| 58s | hello everyone uh welcome to the Stream |
| 61s | uh today we have another polium |
| 63s | highlights for you uh this month it's |
| 67s | barter uh we played barter in in |
| 70s | December last year my name is Adam you |
| 72s | might know me from from poly champs as |
| 74s | gazu and also as miji tube and as always |
| 79s | I have fantastic games with uh sorry a |
| 83s | guest with me not yeah we'll be watching |
| 85s | some games but first the guests uh so |
| 89s | they are very uh yeah they are from the |
| 92s | from the um polyopia Pro scene very good |
| 96s | play good |
| 97s | players so let's uh let's meet |
| 102s | them hello guys so we have fic ster |
| 105s | today with us and Al also Meister lamp |
| 109s | Meister lamp um is probably more more |
| 112s | popular U because he he plays polium and |
| 115s | a lot of people who who will be watching |
| 118s | this stream probably got Meister lamp as |
| 120s | as I say because my Lampa barely looks |
| 124s | as anything so it yeah hello hi |
| 130s | hello yeah so great to have you uh here |
| 133s | today with us um like I said we will be |
| 136s | featuring uh barter games so um to give |
| 141s | people um some time to to tune in Let's |
| 144s | uh let's uh discuss b a bit uh they are |
| 148s | um so they used to be have uh one of if |
| 151s | not the the strongest game in the tribe |
| 154s | right uh the path path of the of the |
| 157s | ocean has changed that so your |
| 161s | thoughts yeah so right now um B still a |
| 165s | turn zero tribe of course so they are |
| 168s | generally on the stronger |
| 170s | side um they obviously got hit by the |
| 173s | update by the path of the ocean update |
| 175s | but that one also happened like 15 |
| 179s | months ago already |
| 181s | could you explain maybe why what |
| 183s | happened why why they were nerfed so the |
| 186s | main thing that hit Bor was that the |
| 188s | price of lumber Huts was increased from |
| 190s | two stars to three stars and with Bor |
| 193s | starting with the hunting Tech Forest |
| 196s | tree was and often still is a common |
| 199s | first tech for them and nowadays you |
| 203s | often see um organization or riding or |
| 206s | maybe fishing instead of Forestry as the |
| 209s | first tech |
| 211s | but that definitely was one of the main |
| 214s | reasons that turn B in one of the weaker |
| 217s | turn zero tries and a question to you |
| 221s | forter because so Lumber Huts was was |
| 223s | one thing but the other was I want to |
| 225s | remind I want to remind us all that um |
| 228s | this isn't even the first time that |
| 230s | barter has been nerfed and barter used |
| 232s | to be even stronger than that back when |
| 236s | chop was still two stars like there was |
| 238s | a whole like year or two of of of the |
| 242s | polytop and beta where barter was the |
| 246s | most powerful tribe like unquestionably |
| 248s | the most powerful tribe uh for at least |
| 250s | a couple of versions because in the |
| 252s | early game they could very they you know |
| 254s | start with hunting they have a lot of |
| 256s | trees and every tree that you would chop |
| 258s | would give you two stars so it'd be very |
| 260s | common to be able to get uh like a first |
| 262s | Giant on like turn four or or sometimes |
| 266s | faster um so barter has taken a lot of |
| 269s | hits and it's still a super solid dbe |
| 271s | mainly because uh as Meister said it's |
| 273s | still turn zero you can still get your |
| 275s | workshop on turn zero but um yeah |
| 278s | between chop getting uh reduced to to |
| 282s | one star instead of two and then you |
| 284s | know months later uh or maybe a year or |
| 287s | two later I guess uh yeah the uh the |
| 291s | lumber Hut Nerf uh hit them pretty hard |
| 293s | so second time second time nerfed but uh |
| 296s | yeah still an excellent tribe very |
| 298s | versatile yeah I think of even more |
| 300s | instances where they got hit because um |
| 303s | originally they also had like 75% animal |
| 306s | rate or something like that that that I |
| 308s | did not even that was that was before my |
| 310s | time yeah so it was like absolutely |
| 312s | crazy you just get the Border growth in |
| 314s | the capital with a two star shops and |
| 317s | you can just immediately go |
| 321s | crazy and uh let's um let's discuss |
| 324s | about the the a bit at the rider roads |
| 328s | because it was also a very strong |
| 329s | strategy |
| 331s | with with barter so not only popping |
| 333s | Giants but but also using Riders to |
| 336s | dominate your your |
| 339s | enemies Yeah so basically I'd say there |
| 342s | are two main military approaches for |
| 344s | bardur they kind of got the option to |
| 347s | choose between Riders and |
| 349s | archers often you even want to get both |
| 352s | and the advantage of riding of course is |
| 355s | that writing TS into roads and Roads is |
| 358s | like a very crucial Tech in polyopia |
| 360s | here because the extra range of your |
| 362s | units allows you to arrange the enemy |
| 364s | units or transport your Giants |
| 366s | faster and then there's also archery you |
| 370s | can also basically get as your first |
| 372s | tech since you start with hunting and |
| 375s | archery and gives the Warriors a defense |
| 378s | bonus so now they can survive three hits |
| 381s | from the other early game units instead |
| 383s | of two and archers are great at like |
| 387s | keeping opponent's City completely |
| 390s | unusable because if you have two archers |
| 392s | sitting next to their City they |
| 394s | basically cannot train anything in |
| 398s | it any words from you about the Border |
| 401s | strategy fer I mean Meister sites Ryder |
| 405s | roads but rder roads is like a Premier |
| 408s | Choice for any of the human tribes uh I |
| 411s | it's unlike on lakes or dry or or what |
| 413s | have you um I feel like barter specific |
| 417s | strategies like like me said going for |
| 419s | fast art |
| 420s | is is really good or the other option I |
| 423s | would say would be to rush Giants with |
| 426s | math uh and then go with like uh giant |
| 429s | push backed with catapults so that you |
| 432s | know one of the main defenses against |
| 434s | Giants is is often to get your own |
| 436s | Giants right to pop those on your |
| 437s | Frontline cities and push uh the the |
| 440s | advancing Giants back but you know if if |
| 443s | you've gotten your Giants using math as |
| 445s | opposed to like construction or or |
| 448s | forges or something uh then your Giants |
| 450s | can be backed with catapults and then |
| 452s | like you know a catapult two catapult |
| 455s | hits uh one Warrior lets uh freshly |
| 458s | popped giant uh puts it low enough that |
| 460s | a giant can Siege so uh when you're |
| 463s | advancing your your first wave of Giants |
| 465s | and it's backed with catapults you can |
| 467s | you can sometimes just overwhelm the |
| 469s | front line a lot more cleanly |
| 474s | so so summarizing it's either archery or |
| 478s | or rder roads what about the late game |
| 481s | what's what's the uh barter's |
| 484s | primary strategy to to finish off the |
| 488s | the |
| 489s | opponent well I think if they if they |
| 492s | went in with a lot of uh with |
| 494s | mathematics because of all of the trees |
| 498s | uh and once you've got your Sawmills up |
| 500s | um I'd say after ride a road you you |
| 503s | pick up trade uh get some |
| 505s | markets uh then you can just afford well |
| 507s | every Tech but um then you just you know |
| 510s | spam out a ton of giants a lot of |
| 512s | catapults and some Knights and just |
| 514s | through good micro you try to advance |
| 516s | like that I would say like barter is |
| 518s | definitely a landbased army tribe um and |
| 523s | it's it's very I would say Giant and |
| 525s | catapult focused uh more so than a lot |
| 528s | of the other |
| 529s | tribes anything to add M lumper yeah so |
| 534s | mainly I would like to add that you |
| 536s | can't be that specific about like a late |
| 538s | game uh strategy especially for a |
| 540s | generic tribe like Bor because basically |
| 543s | after you get your Giants with |
| 545s | mathematics you have like all the |
| 548s | options in the game basically maybe you |
| 550s | got like a good for yeah but I I would I |
| 553s | would argue so uh you don't see a lot of |
| 556s | you know |
| 558s | cloaks uh with uh with barter it's |
| 561s | rather |
| 563s | Knights I think cloaks uh can be good |
| 566s | especially on legs where you want |
| 568s | strategy anyways since spor has a good |
| 571s | fruit rate you usually get |
| 574s | organization and if you're also playing |
| 576s | on lakes or aripo when you probably want |
| 579s | strategy for Defenders for higher HP |
| 582s | boats and then if you have a good option |
| 586s | because for example you put your |
| 588s | opponent's City you have like two |
| 590s | catapults or a bunch of archers next to |
| 592s | them M and maybe they pop the giant that |
| 595s | City earlier then it's like a free |
| 597s | Target for a cloak so I wouldn't rule |
| 600s | cloaks in fact um I have used them to |
| 603s | great success in one game this |
| 605s | month yeah there will there will be so |
| 608s | uh like a hint hint hint on wink wink |
| 611s | where there will be a recorded game and |
| 613s | you'll see cloaks there so if you are |
| 616s | interested in seeing uh cloaks uh in bar |
| 620s | environments uh there will be a game |
| 624s | soon on on our YouTube channel uh any |
| 627s | last thoughts some tips maybe for for |
| 629s | new players who want to start playing |
| 631s | barter and uh yeah what what do you |
| 634s | recommend what should they focus on if |
| 637s | if they want to be uh really excel in uh |
| 640s | in ber so in the early game I would |
| 643s | definitely make sure that you always |
| 645s | take the workship in the first turn and |
| 648s | then usually you almost always want to |
| 650s | train another warrior in turn one and |
| 652s | two mhm and then after that you kind of |
| 655s | decide based on which resources you get |
| 657s | because there's a lot of VAR |
| 660s | ability the resources you get with Bor |
| 663s | obviously getting to animals in every |
| 665s | city is great but Aro doesn't have that |
| 669s | high of an animal rate so you often look |
| 671s | like organization or forestry should May |
| 674s | mainly adjust to what you get if you |
| 677s | have like lots of forest great s spot |
| 680s | when you go mathematics otherwise you |
| 682s | maybe go riding or if you know that you |
| 685s | have to fight your opponent early and |
| 687s | there are a lot of there are lots of |
| 689s | forest way when you go arer it's mainly |
| 692s | about |
| 694s | readjusting F sir no no I agree with |
| 697s | Meister it's it's a flexible tribe and |
| 700s | in polytopia the map generation is |
| 703s | pretty random um like there's some |
| 705s | things that are fairly constant uh and |
| 708s | there are tendencies that you'll get but |
| 710s | it's not like you can say specifically |
| 712s | oh yes follow this build until turn five |
| 714s | because you don't know you just don't |
| 716s | know what you're going to get sometimes |
| 717s | your first city can be delayed until |
| 719s | like turn four or five even uh based on |
| 722s | just Discovery so be flexible as well |
| 726s | yeah be be flexible be ready to adjust |
| 728s | but um if you're not if you're new to |
| 731s | the tribe I would always also start with |
| 732s | uh turn zero |
| 734s | Workshop okay so let's uh stop uh the |
| 738s | discussion here you uh if you want to |
| 741s | learn more about border there is a link |
| 743s | to our uh Wikipedia and yeah there was |
| 748s | more about them there so go ahead and |
| 752s | and check this link uh okay so adding |
| 755s | the the games yeah so all right the the |
| 760s | the stage is yours we've got we've got |
| 763s | four games here uh these are highlights |
| 766s | from the recent barter |
| 769s | poly uh so this is a live format meaning |
| 772s | that these games are played on a timer |
| 775s | uh you start out with about 90 you start |
| 777s | out with 90 seconds uh to make your move |
| 780s | and any time that you save transfers |
| 782s | over to your next turn and you'll also |
| 784s | get a little bit of extra time for every |
| 785s | city and every unit that you've got so |
| 789s | this is all played on a clock um so |
| 792s | maybe we're not going to see the most |
| 793s | calculated plays but we do see two |
| 797s | players um spawning in the west Corner |
| 801s | uh we've got P what was his name hang on |
| 806s | a |
| 807s | second oh oh no the oh |
| 810s | right |
| 812s | right and uh spotting in the South we |
| 815s | have vorce who we've seen a lot of in |
| 818s | the past and who I think we're going to |
| 819s | see a lot more of because he's one of |
| 821s | the ones who uh helps get us these games |
| 824s | and and selects and organizes all of |
| 826s | this for us yeah Kos do Force yeah also |
| 830s | pretty standard stuff for both here both |
| 833s | opting for organization because they |
| 834s | needed to upgrade their cities |
| 841s | fighting |
| 845s | here Liberator gets a uh the city in the |
| 849s | center which is huge he gets his first |
| 852s | explorer I'm just going to turn off |
| 853s | shared fog really quick so we can see |
| 855s | exactly what it is that he sees and it |
| 858s | actually picks up the lighthouse which |
| 859s | is always nice and also really good |
| 862s | Vision on force and now he only needs |
| 865s | mathematics for a giant yeah Force gets |
| 868s | a a veteran sword man ruin uh on the |
| 871s | front line that's that's amazing and it |
| 873s | even pushes him in to get uh to get a |
| 876s | meeting yeah this is very hard to deal |
| 878s | with L Liberator immediately chops |
| 881s | everything in that City because he knows |
| 883s | he's going to lose |
| 885s | it so yeah that's also something uh you |
| 888s | should always do if you're about to lose |
| 890s | the city chop everything so you at least |
| 893s | get the stars for forest and your |
| 895s | opponent can't use |
| 896s | them yeah Liberator gets his first Giant |
| 899s | the |
| 900s | mathematics I think that's a good choice |
| 903s | because if he's lost this and he has |
| 904s | this choke to defend uh having some rang |
| 907s | units uh will make it really hard for |
| 909s | vce to advance further especially |
| 911s | because vorce now is is ahead on cities |
| 913s | two to |
| 917s | one yeah meanwhile vorce goes for Ryder |
| 920s | roads approach his Explorer misses the |
| 922s | lighthouse that's uh typical |
| 931s | Rose is going to give vce a lot more |
| 933s | flexibility um and with him being able |
| 936s | to out produce Liberator definitely has |
| 938s | to play really carefully no let's take a |
| 941s | look at this turn right okay let me let |
| 943s | me switch over to |
| 946s | uh shared fog off so we can see what |
| 950s | vorce |
| 950s | sees yeah basically what vorce wants to |
| 953s | do is get Siege of the veteran swordsman |
| 956s | the capital he already sets it up with |
| 958s | the ryer mhm and then the veteran |
| 961s | swordsman could just move |
| 963s | in um is it an unbreakable Siege it's |
| 966s | not unbreakable yet because um giant |
| 969s | plus Warrior can kill a veteran |
| 971s | swordsman but it would put lator into a |
| 975s | really rough spot well there's an |
| 977s | unbreakable siege for vorce for sure but |
| 980s | he definitely has to move everything |
| 982s | exactly right um if veteran swordsman |
| 985s | moves to this mountain and then |
| 987s | sieges the only unit range are these two |
| 990s | Warriors he has enough to afford another |
| 993s | road to get in and he can actually clear |
| 996s | with these two units he can clear this |
| 998s | and then just tap uh he'd have an |
| 1001s | unbreakable Siege yeah right if he also |
| 1003s | hits war in the bottom then luor is only |
| 1006s | left with a 40 HP Giant and 5 HP Warrior |
| 1010s | and that would be unbreakable correct |
| 1012s | yeah 40j only does uh 14 damage to a |
| 1016s | swordsman but uh since this is all |
| 1018s | played live it can be hard to calculate |
| 1020s | all of that out so vorce does Miss an |
| 1022s | unbreakable Siege and we're going to go |
| 1025s | uh into this game a little bit deeper I |
| 1029s | guess yeah I I texted with him and he he |
| 1033s | said he uh flopped in this situation so |
| 1038s | yeah also he like some misplace while |
| 1040s | upgrading the cities where like the |
| 1042s | roads too early then he couldn't afford |
| 1044s | have a fre upgrade and then probably |
| 1047s | also misses out on more upgrades but |
| 1049s | let's see how this goes |
| 1052s | on like right here I would like to see |
| 1055s | The Liberator to just use Park of |
| 1057s | Fortune right like you po his giant but |
| 1060s | never used it yet like for example you |
| 1062s | can go mining here pick up a mine and |
| 1064s | place Park of Fortune and you have three |
| 1066s | Giants against rers should be like |
| 1069s | really |
| 1070s | good |
| 1072s | mhm I mean he couldn't I think he was |
| 1075s | one star short of that right no he |
| 1077s | trying to catapult that's why it was oh |
| 1080s | no no eight 18 stars uh it would have |
| 1082s | been 14 for uh oh wait no he has |
| 1086s | climbing so for the mine and then you |
| 1090s | also just place the park of Fortune for |
| 1091s | a giant oh yeah so he could have he |
| 1094s | could have absolutely done |
| 1099s | that it can be hard to use all of your |
| 1101s | resources efficiently though when you're |
| 1103s | under |
| 1107s | time all right |
| 1110s | tries to retake the city and it also |
| 1112s | looks like that's probably going to work |
| 1114s | out for him so that's some good news at |
| 1118s | least yeah vorce finally getting his |
| 1121s | first giant here on turn 11 it's quite a |
| 1123s | bit behind liberators and he goes for a |
| 1125s | border growth on this city um do you |
| 1129s | think he's doing that just to get access |
| 1130s | to the water or just to get access to |
| 1132s | extra trees so that he can make more |
| 1134s | than one giant I think it's definitely |
| 1136s | for water aess like if you go back |
| 1138s | before for the Border |
| 1140s | Grove um he had absolutely no way to |
| 1144s | enter that Lake because like his border |
| 1146s | is right outside of it and like the only |
| 1149s | chance to get into the lake is if he |
| 1151s | finds a city in the Northeast like he |
| 1153s | knows there is one because he sees with |
| 1155s | fish and resources only spawn in a uh |
| 1159s | only spawn two tiles around |
| 1163s | cities but if he wants to have any |
| 1165s | chance to enter the lake he has to take |
| 1167s | the Border Groove |
| 1172s | yeah it looks like Liberator already H |
| 1174s | is is a bit ahead of horse in terms of |
| 1177s | uh getting his uh access to the other |
| 1180s | side of the map on the other side of the |
| 1181s | water what do you think about his |
| 1183s | decision to move have moved from here to |
| 1185s | to go for the ruin before going for the |
| 1188s | village do you think that's the right |
| 1189s | order I mean he has a warrior in a port |
| 1193s | that can take the village so I think |
| 1195s | that's not a bad decision |
| 1202s | Liberator goes for a capture and vorce |
| 1205s | loses one uh star per turn from his |
| 1209s | capital I like the way he's sneaking his |
| 1211s | two units across trying to get to this |
| 1214s | uh bit of fog in the light house that |
| 1215s | his Explorer very conveniently |
| 1221s | missed for Wars as |
| 1226s | well like the text picked up |
| 1229s | like let's say it's interesting to take |
| 1232s | archery here because or did he get us |
| 1234s | from a ruin yeah I I felt like he didn't |
| 1237s | need archery because uh Liberator |
| 1239s | already has mathematics and with |
| 1241s | catapults already um I feel like there's |
| 1244s | definitely ways to abuse the terrain |
| 1246s | especially here where we have this this |
| 1248s | small Lake that's exactly two tiles |
| 1250s | across everywhere um like if he's able |
| 1253s | to place a catapult over here or even |
| 1256s | where this one currently is it's very |
| 1258s | hard for for like anything like it's |
| 1261s | difficult for an Archer to get itself |
| 1263s | into range because you'd have to get all |
| 1264s | the way to this tile or all the way here |
| 1267s | this is like a very defensible position |
| 1269s | uh to have a catapult so that would be |
| 1272s | uh I would probably have have skipped |
| 1274s | archery as a liberator here vorce goes |
| 1278s | for a nice bounce off this Warrior to |
| 1280s | pick up the |
| 1283s | lighthouse and fishing and gets into the |
| 1286s | water also |
| 1291s | Liberator makes a very forward catapult |
| 1294s | here uh which is makes it dangerous for |
| 1296s | vor's |
| 1298s | Giants uh and I think that's what ends |
| 1300s | up prompting Force to to go into archery |
| 1303s | as a as a counter for catapult I I don't |
| 1306s | like that you moved the other catapult |
| 1308s | backward like he could have just moved |
| 1310s | both forward for like maximum |
| 1312s | pressure yeah catapult here would even |
| 1315s | have been able to shut down production |
| 1316s | at uh at vor's West base like could |
| 1319s | leave it here and just always just shoot |
| 1322s | anything that gets made uh never do |
| 1324s | anything else or even just sit there and |
| 1325s | threaten to shoot it just to constrict |
| 1328s | vorce down to two bases of of unit |
| 1335s | production Force getting another |
| 1337s | Lighthouse and another giant well that |
| 1340s | that's the useful part but got the giant |
| 1342s | at least yep |
| 1353s | Liberator is definitely |
| 1356s | taking use for the Liberator kind of |
| 1359s | SP oh it's still not out oh he could |
| 1362s | have he could have saved a lot of he |
| 1364s | could have saved a lot of money on an |
| 1365s | upgrade um doing that then yeah maybe |
| 1368s | he's just maybe he's just waiting to uh |
| 1371s | to spawn another giant he could do it |
| 1374s | this turn very easily with a mine and |
| 1376s | his uh his Monument if if he so |
| 1381s | chose instead goes for units which is |
| 1384s | fine |
| 1389s | too what do you think about the way |
| 1391s | actually let me go back a second what do |
| 1393s | you think about the way Liberator uh |
| 1395s | moved from this position because I |
| 1396s | thought this was interesting where vorce |
| 1398s | has his three Giants moved up uh and |
| 1400s | Liberator has his two um how would you |
| 1403s | have played |
| 1405s | this uh like defense of of this front |
| 1408s | line would you have defended this front |
| 1412s | line |
| 1414s | um well he |
| 1417s | can yeah it's not the easiest position I |
| 1421s | guess um but he could play off of the |
| 1424s | defense boost the problem is that he |
| 1426s | only has one catapult right now and the |
| 1429s | Catapult can also be threatened by War's |
| 1432s | archers so maybe you're just forced to |
| 1434s | move |
| 1435s | back but he obviously wants to use the |
| 1438s | the Catapult to to shoot one |
| 1442s | Archer it's like a tricky position |
| 1444s | basically I would say that you always |
| 1446s | had to train another catapult behind |
| 1448s | instead of a warrior because this like |
| 1451s | position you can't really defend but if |
| 1453s | you move back you also |
| 1455s | lose yeah yeah this Warrior does nothing |
| 1458s | yeah this is this is this a difficult |
| 1460s | spot and and the warrior maybe wasn't |
| 1462s | the best buy I I would probably have |
| 1464s | pulled the Catapult back one and made a |
| 1466s | second uh and just maybe healed the |
| 1469s | giant here even though I think it'll |
| 1471s | probably be killed because |
| 1473s | otherwise uh if if he kills it with |
| 1475s | enough with enough units left over he'd |
| 1477s | be able to threaten the catapults with |
| 1479s | an Archer but this is this is a tough |
| 1481s | spot that Liberator put himself in based |
| 1484s | on the units that he made last turn so I |
| 1486s | guess instead he decides to uh instead |
| 1489s | prioritize uh gaining water control I |
| 1493s | don't know why he sacrificed this |
| 1494s | Warrior and didn't sacrifice this one |
| 1499s | not sure maybe calculated specific |
| 1501s | interaction or |
| 1503s | [Laughter] |
| 1509s | not yeah he's definitely gaining control |
| 1511s | over the Legos so yeah Force only has |
| 1514s | his his one port and his I guess really |
| 1517s | only three bases of production so if um |
| 1521s | yeah if Liberator just continues to |
| 1523s | prioritize water he will definitely be |
| 1525s | able to hold that down yeah like he |
| 1526s | really just has to defend on land |
| 1529s | yeah and he's getting he's getting all |
| 1531s | of the extra cities over here also I |
| 1533s | don't think there's anything vorce can |
| 1534s | do to contest |
| 1538s | those yeah that veteran swordsman also |
| 1540s | nullified now that there are no support |
| 1543s | units left yeah good good positioning of |
| 1546s | his uh of Liberator archers also oh look |
| 1549s | at that finally he us oh finally uses |
| 1552s | that Monument that's been bothering me |
| 1555s | since turn five yeah turn 18 |
| 1559s | gets gets uh his border growth and then |
| 1562s | gets a |
| 1564s | park so I I I read in the notes right um |
| 1568s | about what happened here and and why in |
| 1571s | this position um you would get a park in |
| 1574s | instead of a giant uh Meister do you |
| 1577s | have any ideas why you would get a park |
| 1579s | here instead of a |
| 1580s | giant yeah basically if you run out of |
| 1584s | time after upgrading a City the game |
| 1587s | just chooses one randomly for you and in |
| 1590s | this casee that happened to be a Park |
| 1593s | which is not really what you want to see |
| 1595s | in multiplayer games especially might |
| 1598s | games where you have to kill your |
| 1600s | opponent and especially in the front |
| 1603s | line yeah Liberator maybe uh could have |
| 1606s | waited if he was out of time if if if |
| 1608s | you're down if you're if you're playing |
| 1610s | a polium uh and you're down to two |
| 1612s | seconds and you're considering popping a |
| 1614s | giant if you're not sieged uh maybe just |
| 1617s | wait cuz if he had if if he had saved |
| 1619s | his killer monument and popped this next |
| 1620s | turn after being sieged he'd still be |
| 1622s | able to pop the Giant and push push off |
| 1624s | he would even have been able to chip the |
| 1626s | giant twice with a or once I guess with |
| 1628s | a full health catapult uh then he'd be |
| 1632s | able to push the giant Off With His and |
| 1634s | that would have that would have bought |
| 1635s | him some extra time um but it also would |
| 1637s | have prevented him from getting a park |
| 1639s | this time yeah you could also discuss |
| 1640s | like the decision how he upgrade the |
| 1643s | city besides that like I think the |
| 1645s | Border grow was a nice idea |
| 1649s | because you deny like the roads and so |
| 1651s | on yeah I I actually did like that |
| 1654s | decision I I thought border growthing |
| 1656s | this city made a lot of sense and I |
| 1658s | think that's what I would have done also |
| 1660s | uh it also gets you like you know access |
| 1662s | to replacement resources and additional |
| 1665s | water access if you need it um like if |
| 1668s | he was able to hold this city and get a |
| 1669s | giant if you know once he's able to to |
| 1672s | push vorce back he'd be able to Port his |
| 1674s | units a lot closer to the front line |
| 1676s | which might help him close the game out |
| 1678s | more of course that that would be |
| 1679s | predicated on him you know hang hanging |
| 1682s | on to the base |
| 1683s | um the important First Step was not |
| 1686s | losing the |
| 1687s | city |
| 1691s | exactly so now in his turn yeah he can't |
| 1695s | quite hold can he pop a giant here like |
| 1698s | was there an available un siege for this |
| 1700s | I see well he could have if he placed |
| 1703s | the Sawmill on a different tile instead |
| 1705s | of a level one spot maybe I guess it's |
| 1708s | true well what about like uh fish animal |
| 1712s | hut hut and two |
| 1713s | P |
| 1716s | 118 yeah it's 20 Stars yet would |
| 1719s | work wait 1 two uh five 6 7 8 9 10 oh |
| 1725s | yeah 20 24 Stars so he could have he |
| 1728s | could have actually popped a giant this |
| 1729s | turn just by taking the remaining |
| 1731s | resources and putting two but but like |
| 1734s | you have to keep in mind like the turn |
| 1736s | before already ran out of time so yeah |
| 1739s | he doesn't start with too much time |
| 1741s | either |
| 1753s | yeah and yeah it looks like he just |
| 1756s | decides to give it up and upgrade the |
| 1757s | other cities yeah he's he's decided to |
| 1760s | just focus on Naval I mean in his |
| 1762s | defense if he has really good Naval |
| 1764s | control if you know he might be able to |
| 1767s | retake the city eventually because it is |
| 1769s | kind of accessible like by bombers not |
| 1771s | that we have that Tech yet but um that |
| 1773s | might have been the thought process of |
| 1775s | okay I don't need the city now I'll just |
| 1777s | take it back |
| 1779s | later he might be thinking about taking |
| 1782s | it with the catapults Archer and the |
| 1784s | giant or something like that yeah he can |
| 1787s | definitely Siege this turn I also don't |
| 1790s | really agree with him having moved this |
| 1793s | raft into this city border because he |
| 1795s | was going to lose the city he should |
| 1796s | have he should have just moved it to one |
| 1798s | Square uh one tile north of that he |
| 1801s | might have been able to use that to get |
| 1802s | an extra shot |
| 1804s | in well I think he also had like a |
| 1806s | really easy reege here if he just uses |
| 1808s | two catapults Archer and giant to Siege |
| 1811s | but instead he just decides should be |
| 1813s | other units instead oh yeah that's true |
| 1816s | yeah two catapults uh yeah Archer moves |
| 1819s | back shoots and then yeah the the giant |
| 1822s | does siege although and I don't know if |
| 1824s | he would have been able to calculate |
| 1825s | this vorce could have unseed by popping |
| 1828s | a giant for 24 |
| 1831s | Stars |
| 1833s | yeah because because Liberator forgot to |
| 1835s | chop his City Y he he remembered that |
| 1838s | earlier on when he chopped the first |
| 1840s | time vorce took it the second time vorce |
| 1842s | took it he didn't remember to chop those |
| 1845s | trees so vorce actually can pop another |
| 1847s | giant there |
| 1848s | himself especially |
| 1851s | um because I think he also has the added |
| 1854s | Road connection so actually he would |
| 1855s | only need the one port |
| 1860s | yeah and here I think it's the the |
| 1862s | breaking point because Liberator is |
| 1866s | losing slowly losing um the naval |
| 1871s | superiority I think the naval still find |
| 1873s | the main problem is that he's fighting |
| 1875s | next to the coast where War The Archers |
| 1878s | y that also doesn't hold this turn so |
| 1882s | and like his catapults also like slowly |
| 1885s | dying |
| 1888s | yeah with with with uh Liberator being |
| 1891s | out of uh Giants in the front line uh |
| 1894s | his catapults are very exposed so |
| 1896s | they're probably going to be dying a |
| 1897s | little faster than |
| 1901s | slowly he doesn't Retreat though from |
| 1904s | his position he just kind of holds |
| 1905s | ground uh and I think that's the point |
| 1908s | that that was like the last chance for |
| 1910s | him to have pulled back um at this point |
| 1913s | force is just closing in all around him |
| 1915s | is way too many uh units on land |
| 1920s | yeah like I like to preach but if you |
| 1922s | have the option to go Naval or the |
| 1924s | option to go land you should almost |
| 1926s | always go for land because the land |
| 1929s | units are just cheaper if you consider |
| 1932s | like how we trade against nav |
| 1935s | units yeah and it was in this position |
| 1937s | uh that the Liberator uh resigned the |
| 1940s | game |
| 1942s | yep |
| 1944s | GG's and like especially if you don't |
| 1947s | get like the um |
| 1948s | like if your capital is next to the |
| 1950s | water then going water is better because |
| 1953s | you get Port |
| 1954s | connections but if you don't even have |
| 1957s | that you usually want to Prior and you |
| 1960s | usually want to prioritize land |
| 1963s | more unless you have like your position |
| 1966s | on land lock down where can't really be |
| 1968s | anything done then you probably want to |
| 1970s | consider going on the water because like |
| 1972s | bombers late game can be really |
| 1975s | strong I'm not sure if you're going to |
| 1977s | see that and any of the games we're |
| 1979s | reviewing today no I I I don't think so |
| 1982s | okay let's jump into the next game all |
| 1987s | right let me open this up there we |
| 1990s | go so who do we have here all right |
| 1995s | so uh who do we have here oh spawning in |
| 1999s | the South we have our boy |
| 2002s | Voris and uh the east corner spawn |
| 2005s | roughly Northeast uh this is youve |
| 2008s | YouTube uh you YouTube by the way is a |
| 2012s | YouTuber uh a pretty new account um |
| 2015s | started making content but he makes |
| 2016s | polytopia videos uh he's turning them |
| 2019s | out at about a rate of like 105 per |
| 2021s | month so uh I guess if you're watching |
| 2024s | this stream and you like polytopia |
| 2025s | content which you should because you're |
| 2027s | here uh give him a follow at uh uh over |
| 2031s | on YouTube the link the link will be in |
| 2032s | the description or or right here on |
| 2034s | YouTube because we're we're here right |
| 2036s | yeah what I have to say about response |
| 2039s | like look at the fruits that I know |
| 2043s | here yeah youve you've has a very fruity |
| 2046s | spawn uh for sure um so definitely going |
| 2049s | to be looking at organization first and |
| 2051s | vorce gets kind of an early Advantage I |
| 2053s | would say by by reaching this forward |
| 2055s | City although I guess since you doesn't |
| 2058s | see it he's going to pull back to the |
| 2059s | village that he can |
| 2063s | get yeah it doesn't hurt him too much |
| 2066s | and crucially we also know know here um |
| 2069s | H knows that Wars took that City and |
| 2073s | that's why he decides to take an |
| 2074s | Explorer here mhm |
| 2078s | yeah Explorer going for a fast |
| 2082s | Lighthouse yeah like usually you don't |
| 2084s | like the Explorer starts going back but |
| 2087s | here the extra population from the |
| 2089s | lighthouse actually allowed him to |
| 2091s | upgrade his Capital again yeah that |
| 2093s | definitely helps jump start his economy |
| 2095s | a little and he had really pretty |
| 2097s | complete vision of everything that vorce |
| 2099s | was doing uh right from the early game |
| 2101s | so he has a little bit of extra time |
| 2104s | while we're still in the early game and |
| 2105s | there's not that much time pressure yet |
| 2107s | he has a little more time to strategize |
| 2108s | and |
| 2110s | plan Force meanwhile finally seeing the |
| 2113s | uh the opponent's |
| 2115s | border loses his forward Warrior let's |
| 2119s | and let's talk about the decision to go |
| 2120s | riding here again sure um because I was |
| 2124s | thinking um he had um 11 Stars I |
| 2129s | believe so you can either go riding and |
| 2132s | then make Warrior and the rider or just |
| 2135s | the rider or you can go archery get the |
| 2138s | defense bonus for the Archer for the |
| 2140s | Warriors and make an Archer and like |
| 2143s | especially because you can only make |
| 2145s | like one tier two unit either way I |
| 2147s | would always choose archery here |
| 2150s | especially with like this aggressive |
| 2152s | position that you already had right if |
| 2155s | like this um path over Warriors to the |
| 2157s | city um of Wars where you get defense |
| 2160s | bonus all the time so it's like really |
| 2162s | oppressive if he gets a defense boosted |
| 2165s | Warrior next to the city and trains an |
| 2167s | Archer I thought it was actually okay |
| 2169s | for him to go Riders I know we're |
| 2171s | disagreeing a little bit here but I |
| 2173s | thought it was fine because there's not |
| 2174s | really that many trees on the front line |
| 2177s | um and if if you was to chop this tree |
| 2181s | on his uh his like you know the West |
| 2183s | tile here of his C2 um he would have |
| 2187s | like pretty clean access to this front |
| 2190s | City and this is in a bit of a choke so |
| 2192s | like it's true that you could you know |
| 2194s | kind of get a surround with archers but |
| 2197s | I thought that riding was an okay |
| 2198s | decision here also especially if he was |
| 2200s | considering like going for mathematics |
| 2203s | anyway because he's going to have to get |
| 2204s | a forestry for his his he can get a |
| 2206s | population a pop growth giant here with |
| 2209s | just forestry and the org that he |
| 2210s | already has um so I feel like if he was |
| 2213s | going to go for Fast Math uh then I |
| 2215s | thought then I thought it was okay for |
| 2217s | him |
| 2218s | I think m is will play here I think if |
| 2220s | you go riding you should um just go for |
| 2223s | the capital Giant and then because you |
| 2226s | take riding you can get roads faster and |
| 2228s | then you reach a City faster with a |
| 2230s | giant yeah that would that would |
| 2232s | absolutely work too I I'm not sure if |
| 2234s | that's what he ends up doing I don't |
| 2236s | remember exactly but yeah he goes riding |
| 2238s | and gets his first |
| 2239s | Rider population ruin from from vorce I |
| 2243s | normally am not a fan of of population |
| 2247s | ruins this early cuz I always feel like |
| 2248s | I'd rather have like stars or or or a |
| 2251s | tech that'll help me get more economy |
| 2254s | faster but I think that actually makes |
| 2256s | his giant here a lot more plausible |
| 2258s | because without that it was going to be |
| 2260s | really hard for vorce to get his first |
| 2261s | giant up yeah that's fair but like the |
| 2263s | annoying power to that he already |
| 2265s | leveled up his Capital once and now he's |
| 2267s | not regaining anything for a while yeah |
| 2270s | there's a lot of hanging population what |
| 2272s | what did you think about him retreating |
| 2273s | with five Health waro here because this |
| 2276s | kind of bothered me to be honest |
| 2280s | uh where did this where did this Retreat |
| 2282s | from um I mean what was the other option |
| 2286s | let me see I would probably just heal |
| 2288s | because if you move back you're not |
| 2289s | getting any value anyways oh yeah yeah |
| 2292s | and it's not like it's not like vorce |
| 2294s | would have been able to attack the 7 HP |
| 2297s | Warrior either yeah I can definitely |
| 2299s | with pressure onto VOR I mean he could |
| 2302s | even have gone for a Siege here by |
| 2304s | moving this Warrior forward um chipping |
| 2308s | with a rider and then like you know |
| 2310s | sacrificing his 5 HP Warrior and then |
| 2312s | getting a Siege uh then take his his |
| 2315s | last Warrior and tap this one it would |
| 2317s | actually force force to un Siege by |
| 2320s | using Archer first and then unsing with |
| 2323s | a 5hp warrior which he could very easily |
| 2325s | reeg with a Ryder and you could bounce |
| 2327s | the ryer deep into the territory well |
| 2330s | not that deep but I think deep enough |
| 2332s | that would have some problems in the |
| 2334s | following turn to un Siege yeah like he |
| 2337s | he definitely could have been more |
| 2339s | aggressive here and I I definitely agree |
| 2341s | that he should have been uh instead he |
| 2343s | just goes for kind of like the free easy |
| 2345s | kill um I feel like he just maybe you go |
| 2348s | for the free kill out of instinct uh |
| 2350s | rather than kind of like taking time in |
| 2352s | the early game to calculate a position |
| 2354s | uh he's probably just trying to use ryer |
| 2356s | roads in like a a more standard almost a |
| 2358s | defensive fashion where you just use it |
| 2360s | to deny uh your opponent from and and |
| 2363s | Chip try to just get units for free near |
| 2365s | the front line |
| 2367s | but yeah there was there was nothing |
| 2368s | else in range that would have that would |
| 2370s | have made Force very |
| 2372s | uncomfortable yeah like that's what uh I |
| 2375s | think is a crucial power you have to |
| 2377s | understand about like using Riders early |
| 2379s | as well is that you have to spot the |
| 2382s | opportunities where you can get like a |
| 2384s | big lead mhm because otherwise you're |
| 2387s | investing into like a military unit but |
| 2389s | if you never really punish your opponent |
| 2391s | uh for like the more greedy decisions |
| 2393s | right like Riders get more immediate |
| 2396s | value here because with cities are |
| 2398s | spread a little so the archers from |
| 2401s | forest take longer to reach the fight |
| 2405s | but now was already got like his archers |
| 2408s | in position he was able to retake a |
| 2411s | forest now he's like forcing yua to kill |
| 2414s | his warriors on Forest and now he can |
| 2416s | just kill back with a warrior on the |
| 2418s | forest so those are like all like micro |
| 2421s | interactions going towards his favor how |
| 2424s | how do you feel about this Mass chop |
| 2425s | that we've got going on over here |
| 2428s | you you takes math in this in this |
| 2432s | position |
| 2435s | um It's tricky because like um he knows |
| 2439s | that he's probably getting lag right he |
| 2441s | has only three cities on his side so he |
| 2443s | probably wants a fast shine but what I |
| 2447s | disagree with is that um as you're going |
| 2449s | to see he won't use his Park of |
| 2452s | Fortune um to level up his other cities |
| 2455s | to make more units like if you go for |
| 2457s | this |
| 2458s | yeah you have to full commit in my |
| 2462s | opinion yeah Meister does not like it |
| 2464s | when you do not use your uh your |
| 2466s | monuments guys um I I was I would |
| 2469s | actually probably me in in in this |
| 2471s | position I think I would have delayed uh |
| 2475s | I would have Burn yeah like cuz because |
| 2478s | chopping this city like this you can |
| 2480s | like basically never upgrade it um and |
| 2482s | that means it's just adding so much to |
| 2484s | your Tech cost uh and not really Prov in |
| 2488s | enough uh value out of it like taking |
| 2491s | forestry I think was probably the right |
| 2493s | decision here um but rather than upgrade |
| 2496s | the the capital with those Nine Stars |
| 2499s | Nine Stars |
| 2501s | uh I mean you could even I I don't know |
| 2504s | if is good no but I would definitely |
| 2507s | have workshopped this and and maybe just |
| 2508s | made one Rider and just saved a little |
| 2511s | or saved up for next |
| 2513s | turn like not having a workshop is is |
| 2516s | for for so long long not having a |
| 2518s | workshop is that's that's too much for |
| 2520s | me I can't yeah you could probably just |
| 2523s | get the workshop and then the following |
| 2525s | turn you get the capital shine and then |
| 2527s | you use the park of Fortune for a level |
| 2529s | three upgrade and then you still got |
| 2530s | stars for New Riders yeah I I like that |
| 2533s | a lot more than this uh basically giant |
| 2538s | [Music] |
| 2541s | rush like now he got a giant but no |
| 2543s | support units for it |
| 2545s | basically yeah and and Force also gets |
| 2548s | that that Free Rider kill and gets all |
| 2550s | of this Vision I guess there's there's |
| 2553s | not much to see right because the Giants |
| 2554s | already here but um and then vorce goes |
| 2558s | for ANL that I definitely would not |
| 2560s | have yeah he needed the lighthouse to |
| 2562s | get the capital giant here but because |
| 2566s | there was a mountain he couldn't reach |
| 2570s | [Music] |
| 2572s | it so now youu is kind of stalled he he |
| 2575s | heals his giant he's he's making some |
| 2577s | units in the front but he doesn't have |
| 2579s | any way of advancing uh right now I mean |
| 2582s | he could have pushed his giant forward |
| 2583s | anyway I guess um and tried to make |
| 2586s | Riders behind it to to clean up the uh |
| 2589s | The Archers although vorce ends up |
| 2591s | pulling back |
| 2592s | anyway and also going |
| 2595s | riding finally |
| 2598s | Rose like I really hate right he's still |
| 2601s | has not used his Park of Forge yeah he |
| 2604s | could he could have level three he could |
| 2606s | have level three a boed one more Road |
| 2608s | and then and then gone for a Siege here |
| 2611s | like we've been fighting we've been |
| 2612s | fighting over this base since like turn |
| 2614s | four not once as it has it actually |
| 2616s | gotten sieged which is crazy to |
| 2619s | me yeah and like the extra Stars you |
| 2622s | just get from level three upgrades right |
| 2623s | like level three upgrades are like one |
| 2625s | of the best upgrades in the game because |
| 2627s | they're like pretty cheap and you also |
| 2630s | immediately get five star spe so you can |
| 2632s | use them so you can reuse them |
| 2635s | immediately to get like even more value |
| 2638s | okay so he was like saving the PK of |
| 2640s | Fortune to make a giant the whole |
| 2643s | time but I'm not sure if that was the |
| 2646s | right decision I'd probably prefer him |
| 2649s | just getting more units on the board to |
| 2651s | push |
| 2658s | faster it's such a small area he finally |
| 2662s | gets the uh the capture though on this |
| 2664s | base and that actually do you think that |
| 2666s | youve is favored in this position |
| 2669s | now yeah I like you's position a lot |
| 2672s | more and they both aren't on the leg and |
| 2676s | like as you can see like Wars has three |
| 2679s | cities not very good tools to get more |
| 2681s | cities they both have like one unit |
| 2683s | walking around the lake that is |
| 2685s | eventually going to capture some cities |
| 2688s | for each of them do you like this do you |
| 2690s | like this giant push that vorc it right |
| 2692s | here oh yeah disappointing like I Pro |
| 2696s | I'm not sure I probably would have Mo my |
| 2697s | Archer Northwest to make sure that I get |
| 2700s | pushed into a good direction yeah it |
| 2703s | does look like it was going to push |
| 2704s | North right like |
| 2706s | 100% well if you push North you get |
| 2708s | pushed Northwest instead if North is |
| 2713s | [Music] |
| 2719s | blocked well that's very annoying |
| 2721s | population population ruin after we |
| 2724s | after we used our our precious Monument |
| 2726s | how close are we to kill |
| 2728s | oh we're one kill away actually he could |
| 2730s | yeah if he would have been able to pick |
| 2732s | up one more kill this turn he could have |
| 2734s | popped a second uh a third giant from |
| 2736s | his Capital what do you think about |
| 2738s | archery |
| 2740s | here what do you mean I mean he already |
| 2744s | had it no no you you just got archery oh |
| 2747s | you've got Archer oh I didn't even I |
| 2749s | didn't know I did not notice that um |
| 2752s | yeah that uh that that would not be my |
| 2755s | favorite like end for this |
| 2759s | situation um but like his his options |
| 2762s | for uh macroing his bases are pretty |
| 2766s | limited here like math I guess could |
| 2769s | have gotten him uh well no the space is |
| 2772s | already connected I don't know fishing I |
| 2774s | think I think in this situation I |
| 2776s | actually probably would have gone |
| 2777s | fishing but in the same way that him |
| 2780s | hanging on to a monument for like eight |
| 2782s | turns kills you it kills me that he has |
| 2785s | not upgraded um this this city since |
| 2790s | like turn six or something when he |
| 2792s | captured it it's been providing one star |
| 2794s | of income and it could have been |
| 2795s | providing three stars of income for like |
| 2798s | I think he got turn five this like this |
| 2801s | this city has been has been killing me |
| 2805s | like so yeah I probably would have gone |
| 2807s | for fishing I think getting water access |
| 2809s | would have been nice like vorce wouldn't |
| 2811s | have seen it coming although I I imagine |
| 2814s | vores probably has it on the in the back |
| 2816s | of his mind that it's a possibility CU |
| 2818s | it always |
| 2821s | is and like from vor's perspective since |
| 2824s | he doesn't see this he probably imagines |
| 2827s | um that youve has a very healthy |
| 2835s | economy goes for an un Siege he's using |
| 2838s | his Riders pretty well here um I mean |
| 2840s | could have made more roads to snipe this |
| 2842s | unit but it's not really |
| 2845s | necessary and I think that would have |
| 2847s | got gotten him he he got his killer |
| 2849s | Monument this turn didn't |
| 2851s | he yes but he's he's hanging on to it |
| 2854s | because you know he knows meister's |
| 2857s | gonna love |
| 2858s | [Music] |
| 2859s | that goes for a giant Siege free spirit |
| 2864s | chivalry |
| 2866s | um does his opponent have Vision on on |
| 2869s | the on the |
| 2871s | Knight 32 Stars here yeah he could have |
| 2873s | gone for basically anything going for |
| 2875s | chivalry is kind of like like uh he's |
| 2879s | definitely hoping to to pull something |
| 2881s | out his |
| 2883s | opponent oh my gosh and C ruin has |
| 2886s | complete view of it um so he can see |
| 2889s | that it's there and he should definitely |
| 2891s | know that it's coming but he does have |
| 2892s | to uneg this giant yeah so can he do |
| 2896s | that without endangering himself too |
| 2899s | much I would say here I think what you |
| 2903s | do is you attack with both Giants first |
| 2905s | or maybe Archer first attack with some |
| 2908s | Giants um kill with an with a rider and |
| 2911s | Retreat that way you don't really have |
| 2915s | as many things so forward so you would |
| 2918s | you wouldn't un Siege with a with a |
| 2920s | giant no I I don't think I would un |
| 2922s | Siege with a giant here because then his |
| 2924s | giant is going to get a hit on something |
| 2926s | valuable probably be able to Siege if if |
| 2929s | you un Siege with your with your Giants |
| 2931s | first and kill with either with a rider |
| 2934s | uh then you can leave this base empty um |
| 2937s | and that kind of makes it a little more |
| 2939s | Awkward because like as vorce would you |
| 2941s | advance a giant into uh onto a city that |
| 2944s | where there's two other Giants and a |
| 2945s | bunch of support units standing there |
| 2947s | like it would be it would be really |
| 2949s | difficult to take this |
| 2951s | position so that's definitely the right |
| 2953s | idea you does that same thing um pushes |
| 2957s | his rider forward I don't know I |
| 2959s | probably would have retreated it and |
| 2961s | maybe not bunched up my units so much |
| 2963s | yeah but why does he leave all these |
| 2965s | units like you know bunched up let he |
| 2968s | say he sees the I think he feels like |
| 2971s | his 33 giant isn't breakable yeah it's |
| 2975s | safe uh do we have enough here I mean |
| 2979s | you have to finish with a knight there's |
| 2980s | like two and a half archers and two |
| 2983s | Riders I'm not sure he could push |
| 2985s | through the uh the giant just yet |
| 2988s | instead yeah he just chips it |
| 2992s | mhm yeah now though no it's two nights |
| 2994s | yeah he goes for an inexpensive Siege |
| 2996s | with a ryer cuz again you can't really |
| 2998s | Siege with a giant because because |
| 3000s | you've left his Giants in the |
| 3003s | back it allows you of a very clean un |
| 3006s | Siege I don't know about pushing this |
| 3008s | Rider forward as opposed to retreating |
| 3010s | it but that's what he goes with he chips |
| 3012s | down this giant a little bit maybe he's |
| 3015s | thinking about like how he can try to |
| 3017s | avoid a chain with the bounce of the |
| 3020s | rider but like he doesn't move his other |
| 3023s | units in a very fortunate way to avoid a |
| 3026s | CH |
| 3030s | like this was this was this was already |
| 3032s | a pretty big line uh moving this Warrior |
| 3034s | here makes it a bigger line into a |
| 3037s | possible Capital Siege yeah if you want |
| 3039s | like some tips how you approach these |
| 3041s | situations where you know you can get |
| 3043s | chained by night and you're playing in a |
| 3045s | life game and you don't have too much |
| 3047s | time to figure everything out I would |
| 3050s | always try to group like the units in |
| 3053s | just groups of two if possible mhm |
| 3057s | and I think he even had the opportunity |
| 3059s | here but there were like one to two unit |
| 3062s | moves that were off that completely |
| 3064s | killed him yeah uh veteran Rider or |
| 3068s | veteran uh Knight |
| 3070s | Siege uh we've got not enough stuff and |
| 3073s | I don't think there was actually a |
| 3074s | possible un siege for |
| 3076s | him nope yeah this looks unbreakable no |
| 3080s | Monument left and like also no other way |
| 3082s | to get the extra population and only two |
| 3085s | units in range of a night |
| 3087s | M yeah he's he's far from his other I |
| 3091s | mean he could he could capture and and |
| 3096s | but he I don't know capture and and try |
| 3098s | for an explorer to see if he can get |
| 3100s | both lighthouses but I don't think |
| 3101s | that's I don't think there's I think |
| 3102s | there's too many Tes a long shot yeah |
| 3105s | that's that's a really long that's |
| 3106s | that's far yeah I I don't think you can |
| 3108s | cover I don't think 15 tires are enough |
| 3111s | to cover half |
| 3114s | B so what do you think about this game |
| 3116s | was was this uh last kind of uh being |
| 3120s | not uh cautious with those giants |
| 3124s | the oh definely the reason to to to lose |
| 3128s | for I mean I I think it was it was just |
| 3130s | a matter of the way that he set up his |
| 3132s | units like there were definitely there |
| 3135s | were definitely safer ways to do what he |
| 3138s | did um like you know move this Archer to |
| 3142s | over |
| 3143s | here uh you know bring this one down |
| 3145s | move this one up um that would have all |
| 3148s | three archers spread out two tiles away |
| 3150s | from each other so you wouldn't be able |
| 3152s | to like chame them together and if he |
| 3156s | you know if he can take out this unit |
| 3158s | and just build one road underneath this |
| 3160s | giant then all of his Riders could |
| 3161s | Retreat to like a far enough tile where |
| 3165s | they wouldn't be able to be chained |
| 3166s | through any of the Arches so he could |
| 3168s | absolutely have spread his units out |
| 3170s | especially if you since he can see both |
| 3172s | Knights here and everything else like |
| 3174s | it's it's very obvious to me um |
| 3177s | that you know um that vce would be able |
| 3180s | to Brute Force Through uh an already |
| 3183s | injured giant especially when it's next |
| 3184s | to another one yep but um yeah it just |
| 3188s | it just wasn't really unseed as well as |
| 3191s | it could have |
| 3194s | like even moving this Archer you know |
| 3198s | like one TI away would yeah one one road |
| 3202s | over here pull pull the rider back pull |
| 3205s | pull it all the way back to here yeah |
| 3208s | um and just shift your Riders your your |
| 3211s | archers over just to to spread them out |
| 3213s | a little it's definitely it's very |
| 3215s | difficult to try to calculate exactly |
| 3218s | whether something can be like you know |
| 3221s | um killed or not and like popping this |
| 3223s | giant here I guess made him feel like |
| 3225s | maybe it was a little safer because he's |
| 3226s | got three Giants to Brute Force through |
| 3229s | but they really only needed to sneak |
| 3231s | around and gets a and gets a one |
| 3233s | especially after this hit hit hitting |
| 3235s | this dropping it to 23 oh man |
| 3239s | yeah like I would even say before this |
| 3241s | turn I probably preferred youis position |
| 3244s | over VES yeah like right right up until |
| 3248s | this last turn I think you was |
| 3250s | definitely favored because he had three |
| 3251s | Giants here right in vce's face and it |
| 3254s | was next to his capital and to win a |
| 3255s | game of polytopia you don't have to take |
| 3258s | all of your opponent cities or kill any |
| 3260s | of their units the only thing you have |
| 3261s | to do is capture the opponent Capital |
| 3264s | that's the only thing um so yeah Force |
| 3268s | just positioned itself and and you |
| 3270s | didn't have a way to un Siege um so you |
| 3274s | could have had 10 Giants left over here |
| 3276s | and he would still instant lose this |
| 3277s | game as soon as capital gets taken and |
| 3280s | uh yeah that's that was the point where |
| 3282s | he resigned the game that was a GG y |
| 3284s | That's the game okay let's move on to |
| 3287s | the to the next one we have still two to |
| 3293s | go all right let me open up this next |
| 3296s | one |
| 3302s | yeah so let's uh look at the opponent |
| 3305s | and the players all right so oh that's |
| 3309s | the exciting one ah yes so spawning here |
| 3312s | in the South we've got ax and spawning |
| 3317s | in the west we've got |
| 3319s | haruchi and one question we want to call |
| 3323s | him a or |
| 3324s | Brainiac oh I mean I I always go by |
| 3327s | their ingame names because but we could |
| 3330s | totally go with Brainiac if that's what |
| 3331s | you want to go with I'm down I didn't I |
| 3334s | don't know I don't know the guy if you |
| 3336s | do we can go with his preferred |
| 3339s | name I mean he uses both names so we can |
| 3342s | just stick to a what do you think about |
| 3345s | this uh opening for black Bor I mean I |
| 3348s | really yo five animals amazing um very |
| 3352s | easy fast level three upgrade uh |
| 3355s | economically he should always end up |
| 3357s | being a bit ahead um H yeah like but um |
| 3360s | if you didn't notice he actually went |
| 3362s | for a turn zero Warrior opening in favor |
| 3364s | of a turn zero workship here oh yeah |
| 3367s | that was um I mean I have been known to |
| 3371s | be a proponent of tzo warrior even in |
| 3375s | t0o tribes and everyone hates me for it |
| 3378s | but like I swear like it has its merits |
| 3381s | mainly in that you know sometimes you |
| 3384s | getting to the city one turn sooner |
| 3386s | means you get a city that you otherwise |
| 3387s | wouldn't get so there's definitely times |
| 3389s | especially on like small Maps where I |
| 3391s | feel like yeah it it could make sense I |
| 3394s | don't usually do it on dry but on yeah |
| 3396s | but this is normal so it's it's a big |
| 3398s | map no it's a small map this is small |
| 3400s | this is this is a small he's playing |
| 3403s | host he's playing host against the turn |
| 3406s | zero tribe so your first Warrior can't |
| 3408s | even get contested on a city unless your |
| 3411s | opponent for some reason also goes for a |
| 3413s | double Warrior |
| 3415s | opening yeah I mean I I I'm usually off |
| 3417s | for going for it just but then when he |
| 3420s | sends the Warrior 2 backwards kind of |
| 3424s | like sending them both in the same |
| 3425s | direction I no longer approve of this |
| 3426s | move like if if you're going to make a a |
| 3429s | t0o warrior as a tzo tribe you |
| 3431s | definitely want to spread them out |
| 3432s | because the whole goal of it is to get |
| 3434s | to a city one turn faster than your |
| 3436s | opponent like if there was a city here |
| 3439s | and you know you land on it first and |
| 3442s | it's against another t0 you win that |
| 3443s | City uh for the most part um sending |
| 3447s | this one kind of like backwards I guess |
| 3449s | he doesn't know for sure where his |
| 3451s | opponent's spawning it could be here um |
| 3453s | just kind of unfortunate since they're |
| 3455s | both heading in kind of the same way I |
| 3456s | feel like that neutralized a lot of what |
| 3459s | you would gain and especially because |
| 3462s | you end up falling on turn two since you |
| 3465s | delayed the workshop you also end up |
| 3467s | delaying that level three upgrade so um |
| 3471s | yeah this maybe wasn't I I love I love a |
| 3473s | good tzer warrior because I'm rebellious |
| 3475s | but um I don't I don't know that it was |
| 3477s | I don't know that was the right play in |
| 3479s | this scenario yeah even I'll give you |
| 3481s | that Pro then I'm not sure if it can be |
| 3486s | the correct play in the |
| 3488s | scenario and also a ro of D in poop is |
| 3491s | that you have to expand you know as |
| 3493s | quickly as possible so moving your |
| 3496s | second Warrior back is a kind |
| 3498s | of uh the most fortunate Explorer here |
| 3502s | he didn't get meat off of it I |
| 3505s | believe yeah I think I think he |
| 3510s | is oops that is the wrong |
| 3513s | guy yeah he does an okay I mean he he's |
| 3517s | definitely rolling the dice here like it |
| 3518s | could have gone North First and just |
| 3520s | revealed his own Corner which is very |
| 3523s | obviously I think he doesn't even take |
| 3524s | Explorer here it was |
| 3527s | um took the |
| 3531s | Explorer oh yeah yeah yeah sorry yeah |
| 3533s | yeah he missed this this was the |
| 3535s | Explorer and yeah he did miss the |
| 3537s | oh this was this was Reckless also it |
| 3539s | could also have gone backwards into his |
| 3540s | own |
| 3541s | Corner yeah it was pretty risky |
| 3547s | one was it this turn wait how do I how |
| 3550s | do I keep |
| 3551s | missing yeah could go anywhere really |
| 3554s | yeah that it could have gone any place |
| 3556s | and like what I also kind of hated was |
| 3558s | that he didn't take any Tech before |
| 3562s | catch yeah I mean I guess he was |
| 3564s | anticipating getting the meeting I think |
| 3566s | think his opponent was just over a |
| 3568s | thousand stars at the time was just over |
| 3570s | a th score so maybe he was anticipating |
| 3572s | for sure getting the meeting and had |
| 3574s | just quickly calculated that he'd be |
| 3576s | able to get like the upgrades that he |
| 3577s | wanted anyway but wanted to get the |
| 3579s | Explorer faster which I can I can |
| 3581s | understand I can get behind that I think |
| 3582s | that's okay that that part that part I |
| 3584s | don't hate that |
| 3586s | part especially for a live game to to |
| 3589s | make that value analysis that fast I |
| 3591s | think that's I think that's fine but |
| 3594s | yeah he gets this forward City there's a |
| 3596s | lot of fruit here he definitely needs |
| 3597s | organization soon harai also goes for |
| 3600s | organization here so that he can level |
| 3601s | three his base I approve of that matics |
| 3605s | you were talking about it earlier yeah I |
| 3606s | love |
| 3612s | math yeah but like I have to say like |
| 3615s | all these upgrades of Forestry kind of |
| 3617s | do hurt like you could plan to go for |
| 3620s | mths but you probably need organization |
| 3623s | as a sign here anyways so you should |
| 3626s | probably just get organization first |
| 3628s | because a the tech is cheaper and B the |
| 3632s | upgrades are cheaper as well because |
| 3634s | harvesting fruits only costs two |
| 3636s | compared to building a lumber Hut for |
| 3638s | free yeah and I think he already had |
| 3640s | view of this base uh which only has |
| 3642s | fruit uh visibly so yeah I definitely |
| 3645s | agree that he probably should have gone |
| 3646s | for organization um because yeah he has |
| 3649s | he has a lot of fruit on the cities that |
| 3651s | are not going to be contested um he's |
| 3653s | got what three cities where fruit can do |
| 3656s | a much better job upgrading so yeah I |
| 3658s | would I would say not getting or also |
| 3660s | also this really bothered me that he |
| 3662s | just takes this Warrior and slams it |
| 3663s | into this one like yo you could have |
| 3665s | moved North one tile revealed both of |
| 3667s | these fog |
| 3668s | tiles um and then you know then went for |
| 3671s | the kill yo he's like missing a fog man |
| 3674s | there's even more micro off in this |
| 3676s | turnbo right because um you always want |
| 3679s | to do re actions that real fog first |
| 3682s | yeah now what he does in the end is |
| 3684s | moving the warrior vest and now on the |
| 3687s | village and if you go back he had a |
| 3690s | second warrior in range but he used it |
| 3692s | to kill the other Warrior instead yeah |
| 3695s | so realistically yeah this Warrior |
| 3697s | should have gone North First to reveal |
| 3698s | these three and this Warrior should have |
| 3700s | gone here to remove these three and then |
| 3702s | he could have yeah made the decision uh |
| 3704s | instead going just attacking the thing |
| 3707s | that's right in front of you uh instead |
| 3709s | of exploring first uh definitely came |
| 3711s | back to bite him this time this time |
| 3714s | around uh aniac where is your brain |
| 3721s | at yeah also like unlike the other games |
| 3724s | we've seen so far we are seeing no |
| 3726s | military check early on which is not |
| 3729s | very common that's true um I'm also like |
| 3734s | since we're getting a double capture |
| 3736s | here uh why didn't we get a tech can we |
| 3739s | not so I don't oh yeah forestry math I |
| 3742s | guess he's good on that um |
| 3750s | but in his position I'm like really |
| 3751s | worried about the capital right like if |
| 3755s | um grain y really like just goes for |
| 3757s | anything like riding yeah whatever like |
| 3760s | he doesn't have Vision on what he and |
| 3762s | what bra is doing yeah if if there had |
| 3765s | been like a rider somewhere here and he |
| 3767s | could have afforded roads or just |
| 3768s | bouncing in yeah he might have been able |
| 3770s | to go for a capital |
| 3773s | snipe he's definitely playing very very |
| 3775s | greedy uh luckily for him um his |
| 3779s | opponent doesn't really have anything |
| 3781s | right now and doesn't didn't have enough |
| 3785s | Vision by the way I created a poll in |
| 3788s | the in the chat so feel free to cast |
| 3792s | your votes which one uh which game did |
| 3794s | you like the most I know we have one one |
| 3797s | more uh to go but uh you know uh when |
| 3801s | you watching just |
| 3803s | uh give us a um and notes which one did |
| 3808s | you like the |
| 3809s | most sorry you heard him chat get to |
| 3815s | work goes for another Reckless explorer |
| 3818s | that could have just explored his own |
| 3819s | Corner instead it goes |
| 3821s | [Music] |
| 3822s | for yeah like also he did it like at the |
| 3825s | end of the turn instead of before he |
| 3828s | moved like all the units right like |
| 3829s | usually want to do the Explorer before |
| 3831s | moving your other units definitely yeah |
| 3836s | Capital Siege here which is like pretty |
| 3840s | bad yeah fortunately |
| 3843s | um yeah uh his opponent uh my gosh I'm |
| 3847s | forgetting names haruchi has uh has |
| 3849s | enough to pop a giant there he doesn't |
| 3852s | he doesn't quite decide to use the |
| 3854s | monument to level three his one of his |
| 3856s | other cities but he does is getting |
| 3858s | units out and getting that fast giant |
| 3860s | it's not that fast he could very well |
| 3863s | still lose theat City I think based on |
| 3866s | but um brain does I'm not sure how good |
| 3870s | har Vision |
| 3873s | was yeah like he he should be scared but |
| 3876s | there like something south of the city |
| 3879s | in the front which one this one h no I'm |
| 3883s | the sign one the forward one what |
| 3889s | one yeah now two tiles East and one |
| 3892s | Southeast from where you click oh Gro |
| 3896s | yeah south of |
| 3899s | curo like I think that harai maybe is |
| 3903s | scared but |
| 3904s | harai that Brainiac is hiding some kind |
| 3907s | of unit where like Ryder or something |
| 3909s | like that but |
| 3911s | could in the |
| 3913s | thog |
| 3915s | yeah because he was saving a monument |
| 3917s | that's I was referencing that like you |
| 3919s | don't want to give a free Monument City |
| 3921s | to your |
| 3923s | opponent could be that could be that |
| 3925s | yeah I mean he continues to save |
| 3931s | it and now both get |
| 3936s | riding I mean it's definitely useful for |
| 3938s | clearing up a lot of these uh Warriors |
| 3940s | that are out and about and I I think |
| 3942s | that since haruchi has got his giant |
| 3945s | advancing um yeah going for riding is |
| 3948s | not bad because you know if it can clean |
| 3950s | up a lot of little support units then |
| 3952s | his giant might be able to actually make |
| 3954s | a capture which would be really nice |
| 3955s | here |
| 3956s | yeah but but brain needs something |
| 3959s | different to deal with |
| 3962s | this like I don't see how he's dealing |
| 3965s | with the giant right now right like he |
| 3966s | got the city Advantage mhm but he's |
| 3969s | lacking answers to the giant right he |
| 3972s | can't make his own giant yeah very few |
| 3974s | unit any range units to effectively deal |
| 3977s | with very few units at all like not only |
| 3981s | ranged well he went he went archery um |
| 3984s | so he's got he's got his first Archer |
| 3987s | out he said nine out of 10 |
| 3991s | kills could he have got the killer |
| 3993s | Monument |
| 4003s | already he definitely needs some range |
| 4006s | or something though because he's getting |
| 4008s | absolutely surrounded here uh he gets |
| 4011s | the killer Monument I don't think he had |
| 4013s | an available un Siege here though I |
| 4015s | think it's a little bit too |
| 4018s | late uh yeah I mean you probably would |
| 4022s | need at least mining or roads yeah |
| 4034s | y like a knight for Brainiac would be so |
| 4037s | juicy here but it's |
| 4040s | obviously quite a far stretch still yeah |
| 4043s | well he was able to get to uh two |
| 4046s | monuments down this turns but um yeah |
| 4048s | without one of them he wouldn't have |
| 4049s | been able to get the other so I don't |
| 4050s | think there was enough also um so much |
| 4054s | Tech three Techs in one turn what did he |
| 4057s | get Mining and uh climbing climbing |
| 4060s | climbing mining |
| 4061s | roads I think one was the ruin right in |
| 4064s | the |
| 4065s | north um I don't know yeah yeah so |
| 4070s | discover he discovers roads and then |
| 4072s | gets climbing mining yes yeah |
| 4078s | he also has uh two monuments stored up |
| 4082s | right now and has used neither so far |
| 4085s | yeah he could drop them |
| 4088s | anywhere I know I know you're gonna love |
| 4092s | that I have to say I'm a little bit |
| 4095s | disappointed I also don't like the |
| 4096s | Riders bouncing forward for the extra |
| 4099s | Vision too much but maybe he thinks he |
| 4100s | got the game in the back and it's like |
| 4102s | scared of a night or something yeah I |
| 4105s | mean it it it might cost him one Rider |
| 4107s | to get vision of the last City but it |
| 4109s | can you know if it gives him early |
| 4111s | warning of a cloak or a knight or |
| 4115s | something that could like change the |
| 4116s | game a lot then I I I think it was an |
| 4119s | okay sacrifice for you to feel that |
| 4120s | comfortable it's not like you're going |
| 4122s | to be able to to score count this kind |
| 4124s | of game at this like time at this |
| 4131s | speed I feel like he's not really sure |
| 4133s | harai is not really sure how to advance |
| 4135s | at this this point though |
| 4140s | this hey got one TI at least right yeah |
| 4144s | he he border growths uh and it goes from |
| 4148s | this |
| 4150s | to that so yes one one population growth |
| 4154s | here I mean if you know it means that he |
| 4157s | can Road here and his opponent can't oh |
| 4161s | sorry which one was this that was this |
| 4164s | one sorry let me reopen that |
| 4171s | oh wait this is the wrong game wait wait |
| 4174s | wait uh Hardy hary there we |
| 4182s | go where were we like |
| 4186s | turn 13 14 I |
| 4189s | think yeah it was 14 did I actually call |
| 4192s | it exactly right 14 oh yeah yeah 14 |
| 4199s | yeah sorry about that misclick see I'm |
| 4200s | I'm not even playing this on a clock and |
| 4202s | I I just misclicked from the |
| 4206s | replay yeah so questionable border |
| 4209s | growth I I wouldn't have minded it as |
| 4212s | much if it weren't for like what happens |
| 4215s | a turn or so from |
| 4217s | now because taking over this little like |
| 4220s | you know hallway I guess it it does make |
| 4223s | his position a lot safer |
| 4230s | lot of units and ax gets free spirit um |
| 4233s | also what do you think about him still |
| 4235s | having both |
| 4237s | monuments I love it I know you love it |
| 4243s | too harai gets a Siege not on a big city |
| 4246s | or anything he he also only has spent um |
| 4249s | nine extra stars on roads to get a third |
| 4252s | Monument to sit on so yeah he even does |
| 4256s | that he does he does yeah so he now has |
| 4260s | three monuments available but you know |
| 4263s | any why use them when you can save |
| 4266s | them right |
| 4270s | what yeah but this city to loock that |
| 4273s | was sieged it's actually better for the |
| 4276s | black berer because they already have |
| 4278s | mines so if this |
| 4280s | sieg yeah I mean any City that that I I |
| 4285s | feel like any that harai would be able |
| 4286s | to get at this point would probably |
| 4288s | actually solidify the game for him um |
| 4291s | it's just a matter of trying to get that |
| 4293s | he goes for little bit extra Vision not |
| 4295s | sure if I like that one but I don't |
| 4297s | think he would have been able to retreat |
| 4299s | far enough |
| 4301s | anyway um I definitely feel like if huai |
| 4304s | built up a larger force of riders and |
| 4306s | had a more focused concentrated attack |
| 4310s | uh you might have better |
| 4311s | luck or if he had more Giants with The |
| 4314s | Monuments yeah |
| 4316s | more yo more stuff is better than less |
| 4319s | stuff that's true yeah Pro tip from |
| 4324s | professional professionals hey I'm gonna |
| 4327s | I'm gonna point out really quick that |
| 4329s | Meister lamp has an in-game ELO of like |
| 4333s | 1850 or |
| 4335s | something like Meister plays this game |
| 4337s | at a really high level yeah so if if we |
| 4340s | tell you you know you guys should maybe |
| 4341s | use your |
| 4342s | monuments it might he he might be on to |
| 4345s | something yeah |
| 4347s | yeah this push to a cat to Catalyst |
| 4351s | really scary what do you think about |
| 4353s | this border grow Meister I mean this |
| 4356s | this second border grow was good I |
| 4360s | think it only kills me that it would |
| 4362s | have gotten this tile |
| 4367s | anyway and did any yet no no he still |
| 4372s | has all three |
| 4376s | I mean I think his his opponent doesn't |
| 4379s | have any but could get one by making |
| 4381s | like three roads is there a road under |
| 4383s | this oh there is two two additional |
| 4385s | roads uh would get an extra Monument for |
| 4388s | uh Brainiac also yeah then he gets but |
| 4390s | he at least plac two already right you |
| 4392s | got the Gate of yeah there's the and |
| 4395s | yeah of Fortune as well yeah I'm just |
| 4397s | saying monuments are are better in the |
| 4399s | hands of in the same way that this city |
| 4401s | would have been better for would be good |
| 4402s | for har chai It's not doing that much |
| 4404s | for Brainiac uh getting The Monuments is |
| 4407s | better for Brainiac because he might |
| 4408s | actually use |
| 4409s | them that's that's all I was that's all |
| 4411s | I was going |
| 4415s | for we're kind of bleeding out a lot of |
| 4417s | giants in this area like middle of the |
| 4420s | map I feel like they're fighting over it |
| 4423s | but what actually would be a better way |
| 4426s | to use them uh |
| 4429s | Meister um but I think that they both |
| 4433s | should prioritize getting Knights more |
| 4435s | more because they both the armies are |
| 4437s | really vulnerable to Knights and then if |
| 4440s | you combine like a giant push with |
| 4442s | knights it's much harder to defend that |
| 4444s | with catapults or archers because you |
| 4447s | have to respect the possibility of |
| 4449s | getting chained that |
| 4451s | way like just having Knights either |
| 4454s | forces your opponents to make a mistake |
| 4456s | where he loses like all the units or it |
| 4459s | forces your opponent to use the units |
| 4461s | less |
| 4464s | efficiently yeah feels like we've got |
| 4466s | two fronts that are really hard to |
| 4469s | advance |
| 4471s | on um and with like with the way the the |
| 4474s | map is carved up and the layout of the |
| 4476s | mountains and the other terrain yeah |
| 4478s | it's it's very difficult for anyone to |
| 4479s | actually make a capture and it feels |
| 4481s | like they're both kind of bleeding |
| 4483s | giants into each other not really sure |
| 4485s | how to make something stick although I |
| 4487s | feel like from uh brainiac's like |
| 4490s | perspective I feel like this city up |
| 4493s | here hari's Eastern City I feel like |
| 4496s | that's the most vulnerable one so I |
| 4498s | would maybe start sneaking Giants up |
| 4499s | this he get chivalry but he couldn't |
| 4501s | afford KN yet yeah he could have he |
| 4505s | could have gotten the tech next turn but |
| 4507s | uh I think it's fine that he does I like |
| 4510s | this open and he gets like sieged |
| 4513s | everywhere and loses a bunch of stars |
| 4515s | mhm yeah yeah two |
| 4520s | sieges I would have liked climbing also |
| 4523s | to get this giant onto a mountain |
| 4526s | although actually never never mind |
| 4527s | because there's there's a lot of |
| 4528s | catapults still but we have our first |
| 4531s | night mid down here in the corner where |
| 4534s | I think he's he's hoping that uh his |
| 4536s | opponent can't see it um but he can't |
| 4539s | his opponent he bounc on all the |
| 4540s | mountains right that's that's this is |
| 4542s | why we bounce on the mountains so I |
| 4544s | would definitely expect that yeah after |
| 4546s | that now um harai is getting his units |
| 4550s | very spread out maybe a little further |
| 4552s | forward than I would want them to be |
| 4555s | like it's there's not really that many |
| 4557s | ways for a knight to penetrate right we |
| 4559s | can't get through this forest or these |
| 4561s | mountains so one giant here zones these |
| 4564s | two |
| 4565s | entryways um yeah there's there's |
| 4567s | actually very few way like if you place |
| 4570s | a giant here where it is one here you're |
| 4574s | already you already have kind of an |
| 4575s | impenetrable fortress on on harai side |
| 4579s | but |
| 4580s | um Knight with archer support able to to |
| 4584s | chain through a lot ofit units and also |
| 4587s | value right even though he was trying to |
| 4589s | avoid the chain and plac all his units |
| 4591s | really inefficiently he still got that |
| 4593s | much value out of a single KN yeah brinc |
| 4596s | got tremendous value out of that one and |
| 4598s | uh understandably makes an additional |
| 4600s | one I think maybe he's hoping that his |
| 4602s | opponent doesn't see this one but |
| 4605s | like we we know we saw the bounce so we |
| 4608s | know that he can yeah I feel like uh |
| 4611s | harai could also maybe have defogged |
| 4613s | this by now he's had a lot of units uh |
| 4615s | sitting around the back near the front |
| 4618s | waiting to make an attack but he could |
| 4619s | have been kind of somewhat passively uh |
| 4622s | defogging the rest of his side of the |
| 4624s | map and |
| 4627s | go right now like he can do a lot |
| 4631s | mhm and also because he didn't get |
| 4634s | climbing he could actually kill multiple |
| 4635s | units there yeah I like the way not |
| 4638s | having climbing benefited him although |
| 4640s | um there were definitely a couple of |
| 4642s | times where it would have been nice to |
| 4643s | have the climbing before so ship this |
| 4646s | giant are we using any monuments now why |
| 4648s | would we use monuments when we have |
| 4651s | stuff no still no monuments he all he |
| 4654s | still has three monuments he still has |
| 4655s | all three of them |
| 4657s | yeah it's the rainy day fund yeah maybe |
| 4661s | he's just doing the no Monument |
| 4662s | challenge who knows yeah ah yes that |
| 4665s | might be yes if you complete an entire |
| 4668s | polium tournament and win it without |
| 4670s | dropping any monuments um you get |
| 4672s | special recognition on this channel yeah |
| 4675s | and and a dinner with mijan yeah and and |
| 4678s | me lamp will you know call you to |
| 4681s | complain but but you you just have to |
| 4683s | fly to Stockholm and then yeah we'll |
| 4685s | organize a dinner with with m |
| 4687s | one yeah thank you so much for setting |
| 4690s | that up Adam I don't like that there |
| 4692s | were no new Knights this turn because |
| 4694s | now he's down to zero Knights which |
| 4697s | reduces his pressure by quite a lot did |
| 4699s | he have I mean yeah he could he could |
| 4701s | have done it um I feel like he's very |
| 4705s | very uh Archer uh heavy right now maybe |
| 4709s | a little more so than than he needs to |
| 4712s | be he has mathematics too so he could |
| 4716s | have made like a single catapult instead |
| 4718s | if he's trying to just like get more |
| 4720s | range damage in I think he's trying to |
| 4723s | find a solution for these two uh |
| 4725s | backline catapults that are protecting |
| 4727s | these forward bases but I still feel |
| 4730s | like Knights is probably the better |
| 4731s | solution to |
| 4733s | that but I think you don't you don't |
| 4736s | need that many Knights even like just a |
| 4738s | few Knights just completely change how |
| 4741s | your opponent has to play the game like |
| 4743s | even one |
| 4745s | night yeah we get a ton of sieges this |
| 4748s | turn it's pretty nice for brainia yeah |
| 4751s | three |
| 4753s | mhm that's basically everything that he |
| 4756s | can easily reach no one unites once |
| 4757s | again |
| 4759s | yep maybe he feels like he can't afford |
| 4761s | it or that his opponent doesn't have |
| 4763s | enough cuz his opponent's not really |
| 4764s | able to make a lot of units per turn |
| 4767s | that won't immediately die like he can |
| 4769s | only make three new units per turn so |
| 4771s | maybe he feels like he's just not going |
| 4772s | to be able to find Value out of it I |
| 4774s | don't agree that you wouldn't be able to |
| 4776s | but that might have been the |
| 4778s | mindset um that made him decide to skip |
| 4782s | it I mean he is getting all of his |
| 4784s | sieges in even with um the units that |
| 4787s | he's |
| 4793s | got yeah but there are those giants |
| 4796s | closing on his capital |
| 4799s | and so |
| 4803s | that's but he was just able to kill that |
| 4805s | giant right like it was basically just a |
| 4807s | free kill yeah he killed it out right |
| 4809s | and and uh Brainiac had vision of it |
| 4812s | also so um I don't know that I would |
| 4815s | have gone for that Siege at all maybe |
| 4817s | just hang on to the Giant and and get |
| 4819s | ready also the way that huai splits his |
| 4823s | Giants here instead of committing to try |
| 4824s | to attack the Capital made this push a |
| 4826s | lot weaker from his side |
| 4828s | also there's Al there's also way too |
| 4830s | many archers here I I feel like harai |
| 4833s | should have just pulled back |
| 4834s | defended uh and gone for additional Tech |
| 4837s | like yeah Knights basically adding |
| 4839s | Knights to his army would make this |
| 4840s | these push is a lot more |
| 4842s | functional like there's there's no way |
| 4844s | this is going to hold at this point like |
| 4846s | this giant has been chipped too much on |
| 4848s | this long journey and there's too many |
| 4850s | support units |
| 4852s | around but he is pushing back um like |
| 4854s | the |
| 4855s | you know a few turns ago um haruchi was |
| 4859s | Triple sieged uh and now his front line |
| 4862s | has advanced forward which is crazy |
| 4864s | because it's advancing into like Mass |
| 4867s | Archer |
| 4868s | Knight this right here is like uh what I |
| 4872s | think should have been happening the |
| 4873s | whole time right like use the Knight and |
| 4875s | support with flag archers and Riders mhm |
| 4879s | to yeah efficiently and get some value |
| 4882s | out of |
| 4883s | it yeah even bunching together a a a |
| 4887s | group of Swordsmen which are harder to |
| 4889s | chain through still allows you to chain |
| 4892s | through |
| 4893s | it yeah but we have to say that |
| 4896s | swordsman are actually a really good |
| 4898s | counter to to |
| 4899s | Knights so yeah they are cheaper and |
| 4904s | with roads yeah but if you combine with |
| 4907s | knights with units I don't think that |
| 4909s | Swordsmen actually are that good against |
| 4912s | Knights yeah I I wouldn't call them any |
| 4914s | kind |
| 4916s | mhm yeah the Catapult could have not |
| 4918s | done what it |
| 4921s | did to put it very |
| 4931s | mildly another giant this giant Siege |
| 4934s | here looks actually kind of dangerous |
| 4936s | but I think uh brainia can still un |
| 4938s | Siege just fine |
| 4940s | yeah the only good thing about this |
| 4942s | Siege is that it forced this catapult to |
| 4944s | stay here so so this is one less City uh |
| 4946s | that brainiac's able to produce a unit |
| 4948s | out of and sometimes when you're in |
| 4950s | these these late game scenarios where |
| 4952s | everyone has so many units uh he's he |
| 4954s | makes a giant here I think mostly to |
| 4956s | push off the Catapult so that he can |
| 4958s | produce again because not being able to |
| 4961s | produce out of your cities because |
| 4963s | there's a like a catapult on it or |
| 4965s | something can is is |
| 4968s | difficult well like let's see when har |
| 4971s | like finally decides to do something |
| 4974s | else just training six Swordsmen every |
| 4977s | turn I mean the six swordsman turn seems |
| 4980s | to be working there's a lot of stuff uh |
| 4982s | advancing right now and uh Brainiac |
| 4985s | seems to be struggling to kill things |
| 4987s | fast enough anymore like he's making his |
| 4989s | own swords now swords catapult his he |
| 4992s | can't produce out of here because |
| 4993s | there's too many units on the |
| 4999s | field uh we've got double giant Siege |
| 5002s | and a capital Siege same turn |
| 5008s | holy this is so much stuff dude six |
| 5010s | Knights six swords a turn seems to |
| 5013s | actually be doing stuff right |
| 5015s | now yeah I don't think he has enough to |
| 5018s | wait can he uneg the city un Siege |
| 5021s | everything one Knight just lets him kill |
| 5024s | basically everything one damage short of |
| 5026s | saving the city yeah but the last city |
| 5028s | will |
| 5031s | fall trade oh har picks a trade yeah |
| 5034s | that's that's that that's got to be |
| 5037s | game trade is going to allow him to just |
| 5039s | get so |
| 5041s | rich well let's see if he places any |
| 5043s | markets or if he only trade to sit on a |
| 5046s | fourth Monument yeah still still no |
| 5049s | didn't know if you hit um 100 stars to |
| 5052s | get the emperor's to yeah it's true |
| 5055s | that's true you could be shooting for |
| 5056s | that Emperor's |
| 5058s | tomb we don't often get to see that in |
| 5060s | these live games so that would be that |
| 5063s | would be something to show us for sure |
| 5069s | another sword Siege yeah should be able |
| 5072s | to that oh yeah first Monument first |
| 5076s | Monument dropped on turn 33 two |
| 5079s | monuments so no dinner with mijan no |
| 5082s | dinner with mijwan |
| 5084s | a valiant |
| 5087s | effort why does he still have this why |
| 5090s | has he not Advanced this catapult all |
| 5092s | the way back here |
| 5095s | and uh yeah it's at this point that uh |
| 5099s | Brainiac resigns the game it was it was |
| 5101s | too much I think he just wanted to force |
| 5103s | he wanted to force harai to use his |
| 5105s | monuments and once once harai did uh I I |
| 5109s | think Brainiac felt that you know what |
| 5111s | I've accomplished everything I wanted to |
| 5112s | in this game I'm |
| 5115s | good yeah but this was an absolute |
| 5118s | Slaughter I don't I've ever seen such a |
| 5121s | what what a massacre on both sides |
| 5125s | so many Giants died and other units |
| 5130s | yeah um all right yeah so opening |
| 5134s | opening up game |
| 5135s | four I just saw someone in the chat |
| 5138s | asked the question which unit is the |
| 5140s | best oh that's a tough one that's |
| 5143s | situational the best um I would say |
| 5146s | Riders I'm I'm I'm going to go with |
| 5148s | riders Riders are the best unit I'm |
| 5149s | sorry why well they can get the most |
| 5152s | cost efficiency and there's like |
| 5154s | versatile like you don't go a game |
| 5156s | without seeing Riders basically you can |
| 5159s | go a game without really seeing like |
| 5161s | giants like there's some like you know |
| 5163s | very low econ games that are very micro |
| 5166s | intensive um but Riders are like always |
| 5168s | a useful unit to have like I feel like |
| 5171s | going writing is almost never a bad |
| 5174s | choice maybe you made it maybe you went |
| 5176s | for them before the other thing that you |
| 5178s | should have gotten but if you you know |
| 5180s | got the other thing first and get |
| 5181s | writing second like that you know |
| 5182s | sometimes that makes more sense but |
| 5184s | writing is always like like Ring's |
| 5185s | always |
| 5186s | there |
| 5188s | L yeah I think if you're going about |
| 5190s | like cost efficiency and so on then |
| 5193s | Riders definitely come out on top except |
| 5196s | if you include like some special units |
| 5199s | like for example the simti shame an |
| 5201s | absolutely broken |
| 5203s | unit oh yeah cantti Shaman is correct |
| 5207s | yeah just increasing the movement of up |
| 5210s | to eight units per turn and their damage |
| 5213s | output mhm |
| 5215s | and if you want to go about like how a |
| 5219s | single unit can change |
| 5222s | fight then you definitely also have to |
| 5224s | consider like what a bomber could do or |
| 5228s | no you know what the most powerful unit |
| 5230s | is um the the v98 |
| 5234s | Trenton any of the pre previous version |
| 5236s | trions yo you could just mass that unit |
| 5240s | only and and win there's nothing the |
| 5242s | aona can |
| 5243s | do for version 98 Trenton I'm going to |
| 5246s | go with that yeah the so it was Escape |
| 5249s | right the the yeah it could it could |
| 5251s | move two spaces shoot two spaces and |
| 5254s | then also use Retreat and in v98 it |
| 5258s | could still use roads so you could move |
| 5260s | four spaces shoot two spaces and then |
| 5262s | Retreat four spaces absolutely busted |
| 5265s | unit yeah crazy that was that was yeah I |
| 5269s | guess if you can only make one unit all |
| 5271s | game I would probably even give it to |
| 5274s | the sour man no what but the problem is |
| 5279s | that never happens because there are |
| 5281s | like always going to be like multiple |
| 5283s | different |
| 5284s | units and so in that scenario I would |
| 5287s | even pick the Knight because a single |
| 5289s | Knight completely changes how your army |
| 5292s | operates like I wouldn't say that Ming |
| 5295s | kns is a correct play you probably still |
| 5297s | want an army mix but single night |
| 5300s | completely can change how you're allowed |
| 5302s | to play the game or not yeah it's it's |
| 5304s | it's a complicated question you've asked |
| 5305s | and we're going to argue about it |
| 5307s | instead of of watching this game but |
| 5308s | we're going we're going to jump in to |
| 5310s | our final game of the stream um spawning |
| 5313s | down here in the west we have Arthur and |
| 5317s | uh spawning in the north we have uh it's |
| 5319s | vorce |
| 5320s | again so got another vce game this one |
| 5323s | is a 196 so small map archipelago game |
| 5327s | yeah land connected on archipelago but |
| 5329s | neither of them knows it yet yeah land |
| 5332s | connected on archipelago is surprising |
| 5334s | even like that is unusual I think you |
| 5336s | should um disable shared F now because |
| 5340s | now it's like really relevant what |
| 5342s | either player sees yeah so we get Vision |
| 5346s | um here and since there's no other |
| 5349s | cities taken yet as you as Arthur would |
| 5352s | be able to see from score um this has to |
| 5355s | be the capital so here on turn two |
| 5357s | Arthur now knows exactly where vor's |
| 5359s | capital is and because of the shorelines |
| 5361s | he knows it's land connected also like |
| 5363s | he can see that this is a land tile uh |
| 5366s | it's possible that it would be a |
| 5367s | mountain so that he wouldn't be able to |
| 5368s | advance over there but it's entirely |
| 5370s | possible with this being water water um |
| 5373s | that there's some other pathway around |
| 5377s | so this is going to be a difficult |
| 5380s | um village to hold meanwhile vorce gets |
| 5384s | the meeting already on turn three um did |
| 5387s | he take a tech precapture he took |
| 5389s | archery I I like that a lot like if you |
| 5392s | ask me what should he do if your land |
| 5394s | connect an |
| 5396s | archipelago I would never say that the |
| 5398s | answer is go and make ports like you |
| 5400s | usually do in archipelago you should |
| 5403s | either take archery or riding in most of |
| 5406s | these instances because they're just |
| 5408s | such powerful units and so now you might |
| 5412s | wonder okay when do you take archery |
| 5413s | when do you take riding so archery |
| 5416s | obviously is good if you're not blocked |
| 5418s | by |
| 5419s | Forest um and it's also good if you have |
| 5423s | some space to position your archers |
| 5426s | because if first like only like a single |
| 5428s | tile you can place your units on then |
| 5431s | you have to use Riders because they can |
| 5432s | bounce forward and then bounce back |
| 5434s | again yeah I would I would have even I |
| 5436s | would have been okay I think vorce had |
| 5438s | to do a quick calculation if the city is |
| 5440s | here or here um either way an Archer |
| 5444s | could move to here and allow riding |
| 5448s | doesn't deny it close to us well no yeah |
| 5451s | if it was riding he would need riding |
| 5453s | and like a road to to Road things around |
| 5455s | he just can't quite afford that yet so |
| 5458s | archery capture move the warrior forward |
| 5461s | and he doesn't move the warrior forward |
| 5463s | I feel like yeah moving not moving the |
| 5465s | warrior forward is going to make it a |
| 5467s | little more difficult for him to snipe |
| 5468s | here but I think he's also saying you |
| 5471s | know what I have over a thousand star uh |
| 5473s | points now I don't want to give uh |
| 5475s | Arthur five stars maybe he didn't want |
| 5478s | to show him that he took AR yeah Ah |
| 5482s | that's true too yeah uh Arthur would |
| 5484s | have seen it but um but I I would argue |
| 5487s | know that an AR for turn three if you go |
| 5489s | back to that mhm |
| 5492s | um actually I I want to say that I like |
| 5496s | archer in this position but he can't do |
| 5498s | it because he doesn't have unit |
| 5501s | capacity yeah yeah the that's true yeah |
| 5504s | his capital is already full because he's |
| 5506s | just his first unit is kind of Miss on |
| 5508s | that uh Village until now but yeah now |
| 5512s | we can't really uh get a quick snipe on |
| 5515s | that base although it is still quite |
| 5517s | surrounded Arthur sees this this Warrior |
| 5520s | here and he knows that it has archery |
| 5522s | knows that this is the defense |
| 5526s | bonus I got to say this start is quite |
| 5528s | awkward for Arthur uh what do you think |
| 5530s | about him going for fishing |
| 5532s | here yes so if he turned [ __ ] 4 off we |
| 5537s | would know that archery probably would |
| 5539s | work to defend the village but with the |
| 5541s | information that he has he probably |
| 5544s | should assume that Wars got three units |
| 5546s | already to Siege |
| 5548s | him and yeah besides that I I okay so |
| 5553s | fishing is probably fine then but I |
| 5555s | don't like that he placed the port |
| 5557s | before taking the Explorer because there |
| 5559s | is a chance that the explorable reveal |
| 5566s | Lighthouse oh that's true yeah Explorer |
| 5568s | beforehand would have given him the |
| 5571s | chance he gets a decent expl like he can |
| 5574s | see that his base isn't in like |
| 5576s | immediate immediate threat or at least I |
| 5578s | mean I guess it could be he doesn't know |
| 5579s | if there was another Archer there no |
| 5581s | vorce was so fortunate with this other |
| 5583s | lent connection what with oh oh yeah now |
| 5587s | I mean then he can you know attack from |
| 5590s | both sides |
| 5592s | so that's really |
| 5594s | fortunate yeah I don't think there's |
| 5596s | anything that um Arthur can do here to |
| 5600s | prevent a Siege yeah no that that |
| 5602s | Village is absolutely to yeah there's |
| 5605s | nothing even if he sat there um yeah |
| 5608s | he'd be able to snipe that move forward |
| 5610s | yeah no he was he was going to be able |
| 5611s | to defend that with anything other than |
| 5613s | a Defender he didn't take the ruin or |
| 5616s | didn't step on it though he had oh Force |
| 5620s | maybe he was assuming that ar2 could |
| 5625s | Siege could be yeah I I I think that's |
| 5628s | got to be what it |
| 5630s | was I mean if he had two archers or |
| 5634s | something then sure and I don't know if |
| 5636s | he has AR when you're not getting it |
| 5638s | with anyway that's |
| 5645s | true interesting |
| 5651s | Explorer yeah I don't see what the |
| 5652s | lighthouse does specifically for him but |
| 5656s | um all right and let me turn off uh |
| 5660s | shared or let me turn on shared fog |
| 5666s | yeah seems like Arthur's decided that if |
| 5668s | he's going to win this it's going to be |
| 5670s | on the |
| 5671s | water um and I definitely agree it would |
| 5674s | be really hard to advance otherwise do |
| 5677s | you think there's a better way other |
| 5678s | than Naval to advance in Arthur's |
| 5682s | [Music] |
| 5684s | position but like what are the alter the |
| 5687s | Alternatives maybe you could go riding |
| 5689s | but you lost the bridge spot so that's |
| 5692s | probably not an option anymore |
| 5695s | yeah voice has the option to build |
| 5696s | Bridges here um so it would be difficult |
| 5699s | with any kind of land Army because it' |
| 5701s | be hard to attack this while still being |
| 5703s | safe from it the problem is that he |
| 5705s | needs like an answer to the |
| 5710s | archers because like if you keep you |
| 5713s | have to keep in mind a scout costs Seven |
| 5715s | Stars while an Archer only costs three |
| 5718s | and they basically do the same in combat |
| 5721s | mhm and yeah this explore very |
| 5724s | unfortunate he wants to get the |
| 5726s | lighthouse because um that would make |
| 5729s | his Capital giant |
| 5730s | cheaper yeah he's still able to get it |
| 5733s | and he uses his Monument right away like |
| 5734s | a |
| 5735s | professional yeah if you didn't know |
| 5737s | he's an arctic wolf so you know he knows |
| 5738s | what what he did what I think he's on |
| 5742s | team bronin uh vorce oh wait no this is |
| 5745s | Arthur yeah Arthur is Arthur is yeah |
| 5747s | yeah you're right that's Arctic wolves |
| 5749s | same team as Meister yeah and as me |
| 5754s | yeah so get here but yeah he he he moved |
| 5759s | this Warrior next to AR's Capital then |
| 5762s | saw the |
| 5764s | defender and so he thought like he uses |
| 5767s | threee Scouts to weaken the defender and |
| 5770s | then finishes with the warrior but seven |
| 5773s | hit point Warrior can't actually finish |
| 5775s | off a five hit point defense booster |
| 5777s | Defender M so he just kind of moves all |
| 5781s | his units into a juggernaut |
| 5785s | M pretty good moves pretty good pretty |
| 5788s | good moves hard to calculate that in |
| 5790s | advance though that's one of the things |
| 5791s | that you have to have known uh in |
| 5793s | advance basically yeah is is difficult |
| 5798s | you have to have played this game so |
| 5799s | much that you've been in this situation |
| 5801s | before he'll never make that mistake |
| 5802s | again unless like a year goes by and he |
| 5804s | forgets just totally plausible also do |
| 5808s | you think giant is was the right choice |
| 5815s | would you would you have gone for that |
| 5816s | move |
| 5817s | Arthur uh going for the uh attempted uh |
| 5820s | cap |
| 5822s | snipe H in V's |
| 5825s | position yeah after moving the seven HP |
| 5828s | Warrior do you think you would have done |
| 5829s | the same I mean I know that seven hit |
| 5831s | point War doesn't kill there in the end |
| 5834s | oh you so you know that off the top of |
| 5836s | your head yeah I'm fairly certain the |
| 5838s | last has to be at least eight hit points |
| 5847s | I'm pretty I think it's like |
| 5849s | 9 |
| 5852s | 7 98 or something like that let's |
| 5856s | let's put that into |
| 5861s | calculator I'll tell you right away 9798 |
| 5868s | [Music] |
| 5881s | V is capturing way too many of these |
| 5883s | islands he gets this I don't know about |
| 5884s | this Explorer either um but he wants the |
| 5887s | lighthouse I think yeah he gets the |
| 5889s | lighthouse I I don't I don't know if and |
| 5892s | he likely loses the city if we look at |
| 5895s | the position but maybe he shouldn't use |
| 5897s | the |
| 5898s | Portman yeah he could have made a wall |
| 5901s | here ah I I think I know what's |
| 5902s | happening and look at his Capital |
| 5907s | mhm does he not have |
| 5910s | um farry he does so he could have gotten |
| 5913s | a giant yeah but it gets him with Bazar |
| 5916s | oh yeah |
| 5917s | yeah and ah one two three four yeah I'm |
| 5920s | not mistaken he also uses both monuments |
| 5922s | right like that's a good play he uses |
| 5924s | both |
| 5926s | mon Meister |
| 5928s | approved so a 7 HP Warrior uh when |
| 5932s | attacks uh fight HP Defender with the |
| 5936s | defense bonus the defender stays with |
| 5938s | one HP M saying what happens if your |
| 5942s | warriors attack a defense boosted |
| 5945s | Defender and the warrior healths are 98 |
| 5948s | n and uh no it's 97 97 98 okay does that |
| 5955s | does that kill |
| 5956s | 9798 yeah just looked it up it's also |
| 5958s | like the minimum value you need on each |
| 5960s | [ __ ] okay so seven definitely doesn't |
| 5964s | kill seven definitely does not kill mhm |
| 5967s | vce vorce learned that the hard way we |
| 5968s | just learned that the long way |
| 5972s | yeah if you um okay so Arthur takes |
| 5976s | control of this |
| 5977s | island he's going really aggressive with |
| 5980s | these sieges I'm not sure if those |
| 5982s | sieges are worth it because he |
| 5984s | sacrifices a ramama to deny like five |
| 5989s | stars of income or six I'm not sure |
| 5992s | think six we've got a we've got a |
| 5993s | workshop this one |
| 5995s | Stars yeah also damage that could go |
| 5998s | into the Juggernaut for example yeah |
| 6001s | well he also so it's it's denying the |
| 6004s | six stars but killing the warrior so |
| 6007s | it's let's see warrior two stars and |
| 6010s | this city is producing yeah six so it's |
| 6013s | eight stars for uh eight Stars so it's |
| 6017s | it's an even trade um but yeah I |
| 6020s | definitely agree that Arthur needs a |
| 6021s | little bit better than an even trade |
| 6023s | right now |
| 6024s | um because like vorce just has bigger |
| 6028s | cities he's got a little bit more |
| 6030s | economy and he's going to get another |
| 6032s | the Juggernaut also is getting good |
| 6034s | value there with the splash damage |
| 6042s | yeah and now arto kind of lacks |
| 6045s | reinforcements because he was population |
| 6047s | kept for a while in like most of his |
| 6050s | cities mhm and now I mean if he was |
| 6053s | getting to popca um then sacrifice |
| 6056s | forcing the kill of these units like |
| 6057s | forcibly trading out units might have |
| 6060s | actually been beneficial |
| 6062s | like um because you know if he's not |
| 6064s | able to make uh replacement units then |
| 6067s | there's not really a point although I |
| 6069s | feel like yeah some of his cities could |
| 6070s | maybe have been made taller instead with |
| 6073s | some of the cost |
| 6074s | savings I don't know he's getting a lot |
| 6076s | of these sieges though and uh he does |
| 6078s | seem to be bleeding |
| 6079s | vses uh Army dry |
| 6085s | yeah right now only Nine Stars of income |
| 6087s | this turn because of all the sieges mhm |
| 6090s | yeah it's amazing even with those Nine |
| 6092s | Stars though he's able to pop that |
| 6094s | giant this City's still one star in the |
| 6097s | red but do you see how many on the |
| 6103s | city uh we got uh yeah all of them all |
| 6107s | all three of or's monuments have gone |
| 6108s | towards this |
| 6109s | [Music] |
| 6112s | city yeah here uh yeah Arthur starts to |
| 6115s | pull back because he's kind of run his |
| 6117s | attack has run out of |
| 6121s | steam and he's like forced to upgrade V |
| 6124s | grafts into ramas which isn't really |
| 6126s | what he wanted to do right like s HP |
| 6128s | instead of 15 HP |
| 6133s | yeah I mean having ramming Tech at all |
| 6136s | is kind of uh yeah main the main thing |
| 6139s | that Arthur has going for him right |
| 6141s | now border growth picking up lot of fish |
| 6144s | so he'll be able to pop another giant |
| 6154s | there yeah but again like Wars |
| 6156s | constantly gets like these traits where |
| 6158s | he uses archers against Scouts and like |
| 6161s | that's just so much better for the |
| 6162s | archers because they cost less than |
| 6166s | half yeah yeah force is just getting too |
| 6169s | much efficiency so at this point uh |
| 6172s | Arthur resigns the game I I think he |
| 6174s | doesn't really have an available way to |
| 6176s | un Siege this base when the giant sieges |
| 6179s | it next turn |
| 6182s | mhm but I would say that this |
| 6186s | was close to this was this was close and |
| 6189s | this was a pretty well this was a pretty |
| 6191s | well executed game from uh from Arthur |
| 6194s | and vor's sides like they did a lot of |
| 6197s | there's you know it's hard to get like |
| 6198s | perfect micro on things like whether |
| 6199s | you're able to Siege this capital or not |
| 6202s | but overall like vorce was really good |
| 6203s | about extracting value out of his units |
| 6206s | um like he had a slightly Superior |
| 6208s | economy um but just the cost efficiency |
| 6211s | that he got with his archers and also |
| 6213s | just with I feel like his M his specific |
| 6215s | mix of um Scouts and juggernauts were |
| 6219s | able to just get more efficient damage |
| 6222s | um but also just |
| 6223s | getting vce made what four giants this |
| 6227s | game um I think Arthur was only able to |
| 6230s | make two and and Arthur were kind of |
| 6232s | Trapped around here where they were |
| 6233s | forced to go here they weren't actually |
| 6235s | able to contest the water heavy area |
| 6237s | where juggernauts are a little bit |
| 6239s | stronger like Giants are good all around |
| 6242s | but on an archipelago map uh if they're |
| 6244s | in like the Open Water then they'll be |
| 6246s | able to Splash more things control the |
| 6249s | movement of units more um it's better to |
| 6252s | have them in the Open Seas than in like |
| 6254s | this like small Corridor where they're |
| 6257s | kind of funneled into an area that's |
| 6259s | full of archers and admittedly a capital |
| 6261s | and if Arthur was able to get the |
| 6263s | capital |
| 6264s | um then that would have been GG but um |
| 6266s | yeah as it is he just he his Giants |
| 6268s | weren't in the right places it was a |
| 6270s | little harder for Arthur to macro his |
| 6272s | bases and yeah Force takes the victory |
| 6275s | is there anything that Arthur could have |
| 6277s | done |
| 6278s | differently |
| 6281s | yeah |
| 6282s | what what he could have spawned better |
| 6285s | better right like |
| 6287s | yeah by Wars one here also was six |
| 6291s | cities and like six cities is a very |
| 6294s | crucial number because it unlocks a |
| 6296s | monument the grand Bazar which usually |
| 6300s | helps you to pop like an additional |
| 6302s | giant but also you know it's it's about |
| 6304s | skill issue not having these about the |
| 6308s | setup uh so this fifth City uh that |
| 6312s | Arthur Arthur has this is far away from |
| 6315s | the his Mainland so it's it's not just |
| 6318s | about the the number of cities but also |
| 6321s | how they are placed and uh yeah so I |
| 6325s | would say it it was a it was a it was a |
| 6327s | bit of a realistically I say Arthur |
| 6331s | could |
| 6332s | have used his his like Navy a little bit |
| 6335s | better like this is a a defensible like |
| 6340s | little Bay here from either side like |
| 6341s | units here on land or units here on land |
| 6344s | would prevent them so both of their |
| 6345s | capitals are kind of protected from like |
| 6347s | the main body of water um and if you |
| 6350s | look at it it's not like any of Arthur's |
| 6353s | cities don't have access to this main |
| 6356s | area so I feel like if he maybe cut down |
| 6357s | on the units that he had and used around |
| 6360s | his capital or tried to like set up |
| 6363s | something to like more efficiently |
| 6364s | defend this area then he could have |
| 6367s | funneled 100% of his like pop of his |
| 6370s | remaining population into the main area |
| 6372s | main body of water and maybe he could |
| 6374s | have gotten something done that way |
| 6376s | because like this city gulan is actually |
| 6379s | V's only really like attackable City uh |
| 6384s | I feel like the other two just can't |
| 6385s | really be assaulted just because of the |
| 6388s | way the terrain is set up um and because |
| 6391s | like force already has archers like |
| 6393s | there's too many changes of like water |
| 6395s | to land in in these |
| 6397s | lines so it would be really really hard |
| 6399s | to attack into orcar or into um V's |
| 6403s | Capital whereas this city you know since |
| 6406s | you have water leading all the way up to |
| 6408s | here you have basically water on three |
| 6410s | sides um if you can get Naval control |
| 6413s | of the of like the main body of water |
| 6417s | you'd actually be able to attack into |
| 6418s | the City and maybe capture it like this |
| 6420s | was the this was the attack Point uh and |
| 6422s | I feel like maybe Arthur could have |
| 6423s | focused more resources on that but he |
| 6426s | would have had to find a cheaper way of |
| 6427s | Defending his his Capital so I I think |
| 6431s | what Archer did probably would have |
| 6433s | worked against the vaker |
| 6435s | opponent and it's probably like one of |
| 6437s | the better strategies you can go for |
| 6439s | here but I think there would be one |
| 6442s | other option you have which is like arto |
| 6445s | got quite a lot of control towards vers |
| 6449s | capital and maybe it would be possible |
| 6452s | to go for cloaks in AR's position to |
| 6456s | cloak wars's Capital maybe that's a bit |
| 6459s | of a far stretch but I feel like that's |
| 6461s | like one alternative talking about like |
| 6463s | around |
| 6465s | here he had his he has like giants |
| 6467s | pushing in m and then you could maybe go |
| 6470s | cloak behind |
| 6473s | yeah because he he already had so like |
| 6476s | yeah he did not have the wrong tree oh |
| 6479s | yeah oh that would help that would |
| 6481s | help okay yeah so you already had |
| 6483s | Defenders yeah so |
| 6486s | cloaking yep that might have worked I |
| 6490s | mean one cloak would have costed an |
| 6492s | entire um turns |
| 6496s | economy uh I think like I mean when he |
| 6498s | was in this position he had Naval |
| 6500s | superiority um by a lot so I think it |
| 6503s | would have been difficult to like |
| 6505s | abandon the only apparent advantage that |
| 6507s | he has which is like you know gaining |
| 6509s | like he's got like six ships in the |
| 6511s | water here uh Voris has a scout and a |
| 6513s | raft that's not even in territory um |
| 6516s | everything else is going to take a long |
| 6517s | time to get in I feel like yeah this was |
| 6521s | probably the he had he didn't even have |
| 6523s | this island yet like he was kind of |
| 6524s | forced into Navy for a bit so if he was |
| 6527s | going to get diplomacy it would have |
| 6529s | delayed that like maybe if he if he knew |
| 6532s | he wasn't going to be able to win the |
| 6533s | naval battle ahead of time um then maybe |
| 6537s | it would have made sense to try for more |
| 6539s | of an all-in approach like like going |
| 6541s | for diplomacy uh and and trying to get a |
| 6543s | cloak for the capital but I feel like |
| 6546s | from this position it it looked like it |
| 6548s | could have been favorable for him to |
| 6550s | just stick with trying to get Naval |
| 6552s | superiority I mean he was able to |
| 6554s | capture this one city which I think was |
| 6556s | like the bare minimum to keep him in the |
| 6557s | game at |
| 6559s | [Music] |
| 6561s | all yeah I think I agree with decision |
| 6564s | I'm just saying that there is a |
| 6566s | possibility of this alternative approach |
| 6569s | and if you're talking about like okay |
| 6570s | what could he have done that's like one |
| 6573s | thing I could think of but have worked |
| 6577s | yeah there's there's there's always |
| 6578s | options in in a game of poop yeah yeah |
| 6581s | basically what it comes down to okay |
| 6584s | thank you guys for commenting it was |
| 6586s | great to to have you as as always um |
| 6588s | thank you Adam we uh yeah we closed our |
| 6592s | poll I actually changed it because of |
| 6594s | this last game so the people would not |
| 6597s | catch up uh so I changed it to which uh |
| 6601s | barter do they like better so barter the |
| 6604s | regular one or the better go and |
| 6607s | apparently the the the regular barter |
| 6609s | has more fence so 76 to |
| 6613s | 23% I also I I I also am a fan of barter |
| 6618s | classic okay uh as opposed to uh the |
| 6622s | barter be for |
| 6624s | okay no I like I like both I think that |
| 6627s | uh especially the the graphics of the of |
| 6630s | the barar are like yeah they they look |
| 6634s | cute maybe it's a Nostalgia thing but I |
| 6636s | also prefer the musical score of the |
| 6639s | original barter uhhuh uh more so than |
| 6642s | the uh the kind of growling gurgling |
| 6645s | music that comes with the the new bter |
| 6647s | skin |
| 6649s | mhm anyway uh so it it was it was a good |
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