Jagex have accepted the TH abuse was their fault, but that does not negate the fact that players abused it. Nearly double what we first thought sitting at 7,000. Jagex will make mistakes but that doesn’t allow us as a player base to abuse the mistakes that benefit us. Stop ignoring reality just to jump on the hate bandwagon, you look pathetic.
External link →How have they accepted fault?
Did they unban people? No? Then they didn’t accept fault.
The fact that it was possible is our fault.
The people who exploited an obviously unintended iterative economical process beyond reasonable curiosity are responsible for their bans.
You are smarter than this.
Woah woah woah let's hold up here
Don't come in here with the blame game, this is ENTIRELY your fault. If you can't be bothered to check your overpowered, predatory promos designed to rinse every player of what cash they have, that's YOUR fault. You are smarter than this.
I'm going to add, did you know that if I PvM, I can make money for bonds that gives me infinite membership from now until I die? Does this not go beyond your "unintended iterative economical process beyond reasonable curiosity". Crikey. What a terrible response.
I'll translate for everyone, seeing as we're not 'smart': 'We f**ked up and it's your fault for not telling us'
Just for clarification; are you implying that purchasing of bonds with in-game gold is the same as this infinite oddment/key exploit?
Can you help explain to me how, if you were to fit something against this into the rules, you'd phrase it? I'm trying to work that out myself right now.
It can't say "if you're able to constantly generate more xp/wealth than you lose, it's a bannable exploit", because then the memes about infinite spawns are true. It also can't say "if you're able to constantly use our monetization systems, it's a bannable exploit", because then buying keys is bannable. I suppose it can say "if you're able to constantly use our monetization systems without spending real money or more in-game gold/oddments/items than you receive from them, it's a bannable exploit", but that's very specific, and doesn't address the possibility of something like this happening in PvM, skilling, etc. I feel the fact that's it's so hard to create a proper catch-all rule for this lends more credence to it being too vague to ban for with the way the rules are now.
Yeah I think this is incredibly important given the reaction from some parts of the community.
I'm not responsible for this type of write-up, however it's quite safe to say that if you're suddenly able to generate a practically infinite resource of something, especially something that is specifically monetised, a level of common sense would be expected.
obviously unintended
Uhh, how do people know this was unintended in the moment? There were 2 promos running side by side, both of which aren't exactly bugs. How could they possibly have known that you didn't just intend on giving a really good deal? I'm sure some people knew this was an exploit. But what about the players who bought keys, spent a bunch of them, saw they had plenty of oddments now, bought more keys with the oddments, and rinse and repeat until they were out of oddments? Did they need to do the math to see that they weren't just getting lucky?
I'm beyond done with this game. If you guys can't take responsibility for something like this, you guys don't deserve a modicum of respect or a single cent.
I feel like this was addressed by the fact that only 13% of the accounts involved in the investigations received a ban, and from what I saw on the stream it was explained adequately.
Just for clarification; are you implying that purchasing of keys with awarded oddments is not the same as purchasing another item with awarded GP?
Ah of course, it's my fault again. I'm smarter than this!
Just for clarification; are you implying that purchasing of keys with awarded oddments is not the same as purchasing another item with awarded GP?
Yes
How does linking this hyperbolic example of MTX spending help in any way?
Other than of someone's wallet, there's no exploit occurring here.
- Jagex didn't ban anyone who injected billions of gp into the game the 13 times the Crystal Capsules promotion was held.
- Jagex didn't ban anyone who spend all their oddments on any 50% discount in the past and then used keys on this promotion the week prior.
- Jagex banned people who already had a large number of oddments BEFORE Monday when this took place.
- Jagex banned people who obtained a large number of keys legitimately and used them in this promotion.
For context, I have ~45,000 oddments which is enough for 200 keys with the 50% discount. I've spent a large number in the past and I don't regularly convert oddments or play enough to retain keys for even more oddments. ~45,000 oddments I obtained were within this year alone. How many people do you think have enough oddments today that could purchase 500 keys regardless? Was this even considered?
In addition, you allow people to purchase 20,000 keys A DAY which is 10x MORE than what Jagex considered to be abusive or an advantage over other players. How can 1 be an issue but not the other in terms of the economic process?
You can't just say, this was an issue after you've allowed the EXACT SAME ISSUE TO EXIST PREVIOUSLY UNPUNISHED and give/provide ZERO WARNING in advance.
EDIT: So I just realized I don't have 45k oddments anymore :) Silly me. I only have 17k currently. Forgot I spent some awhile back.
It's clear to me that you want the rules to be clearer, I have no doubt that they will become more so, especially with the newspost and the internal retrospective.
Not sure if you saw this but there is a newspost here
Ty! I've edited my comment.
You are smarter than this.
Shame on you. This is not how you talk to your loyal customers. Are you really so unprofessional that you make comments about someone's intellect??
Rubic and I are not strangers.
I just want to jump in here real quick.
I don't mind that /u/JagexOrion said that, he and I are fully aware of the other and know what we can tolerate. From an outsider's perspective that may not be obvious, but I just wanted to clear the air and say I have no personal issue with the comment. I'm frustrated with Jagex and say things that cross the line, and Orion says things he believes in/passionate about and can cross a line.
Appreciate it bro
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