Runeskill and Chat ft. Mods Yuey, Shrike, Blkwitch and Official Discord Mods

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235s	Mod Yuey you're muted you're muted no one can hear you sorry
259s	how about now can chat hear me
267s	excellent excellent excellent
271s	uh let me hopefully that should work okay so yes welcome everyone to another episode
278s	of Runeskill and chat if you don't know who I am I am Mod Yuey where have you been if you
283s	don't know who I am um but yes welcome I'd love to welcome you and our lovely
289s	esteemed JMods to this episode uh we have the incredible mod blk witch hello hello
300s	and the incredible mod shrike
310s	Shrike is there I promise we are having some
317s	uh technical difficulties but we should be able to get those resolved hopefully
324s	very soon um also joining us on this stream is the incredible Graceepants
331s	hi hello how are you doing I'm doing well thank you awesome awesome and we have Imcrystal how are
343s	you doing how's it going oh good here thank you how are you guys doing today very well
351s	very well um Gonna go back to mod shrike do we have sorry yeah I'm back yay having some minor
359s	connection issues on my audio at the moment um but should be fine hello I'm Mod Shrike
366s	amazing amazing nice to see you um so we have we are joined um we are doing a lovely little
374s	stream today where we are going to be doing gate of elidinis so we're going to be doing something
378s	a little different we've not done this before where we have our lovely Jmods who have helped
384s	design this incredible new skilling boss and have some of our Discord moderators and incredible
390s	streamers uh content creators come and join us at the same time we are doing a little group where
396s	Mod shrike is going to be joined bygraceepants and ImCrystal where they go through gate of elidinis
403s	and go through the skilling boss so if you'd like to join you're more than welcome to they will be
408s	doing their own group so uh you can watch just be the three of us it'll just be the three of them
414s	I'm afraid um yes but we're going to be doing a little uh Q&A as much as we can so if you do have
422s	any questions um get those ready and we will let you know when to ask them so we are not getting
428s	warted with too many um but obviously promise how good I'm going to be at this because I'm going to
433s	be trying not to die and also uh answering chat managing various things so we'll do our best and
441s	we'll have fun and that's all the if you have any questions if you see any questions pop up
445s	obviously just uh keep a note of them um and then let them let the players know once uh once you
451s	can see them so once we have some time so um we will dive I guess straight in when you uh
460s	are both ready let me know are you guys when you guys are ready and crystal and Grace you ready
466s	to go up ready to go wonderful I'm gonna start just start with just the three of us and let's
474s	go lovely lovely lovely that's crystal
482s	in hey that's that's one just waiting on Grace and then we can I think we're going
493s	to be starting with some art questions and art comments today oh yes so again we are trying to
497s	do stuff a little different obviously as you can see the incredible landscape and
502s	design of this and we have the privilege of being joined by one of the creators of this
510s	um mod blk witch um this is amazing like I I can't begin to tell you how incredible this is everyone
521s	I've spoken to every every player every comment I've seen threads I've not seen one negative
529s	comment about this like this is amazing just hands down this is amazing I'm really glad I feel the
536s	constant need to one up myself and the rest of the art team every time I can imagine it must be so
542s	daunting to have such a Monumental task like this because it's it's never been done before right
548s	we have uh RuneScape has never done anything like this it's yeah it was especially um an interesting
555s	challenge for me because due to various reasons um I created both the arena and the actual boss
565s	Elidinis which I had never done before um it was when when her design was originally created
571s	like the concept um for her was done she looked amazing and I immediately was like man I wish I
576s	could make her and then I was going because she's a statue she kind offalls between character art
583s	and environment art which are two different disciplines um so I was ready to go fight the
590s	character team to argue about why I should be allowed to make her um but due to scheduling
596s	reasons she was just assigned to me anyway which was great but then it immediately hit me like oh
601s	no now I need to make the boss and the whole arena for this in time for like want to go to animation
607s	which is also quite complex so there was a lot to do well I mean what's been your what's been your
613s	like highlight they can't hear me oh chat can't hear you uh oh that's what chat is saying at the
619s	moment oh no this entire time sorry chat time no um I checked and they can definitely hear her it's
627s	just like she's a bit quiet that was it oh like she's definitely heard just a bit quiet yeah okay
633s	let me let me pull microphone closer as well can do that yell into the microphone you can do it
639s	better yell yeah I'm not I'm not going to yell I just I don't know if this is better at all or
650s	not no I think I think it's okay I think a lot of a a lot of chat can hear you so I think it
655s	should be fine um I see yes we are good we are all right we'll go with that I will I'll turn it up
666s	so okay hopefully that should be a little louder for chat to hear you all right hopefully yeah um
677s	so are there any elements of this incredible statue that players wont necessarily see at
685s	the beginning like have you seen from your uh from your visuals of seeing how players have reacted to
693s	um this boss have you have you noticed anything um from them that they might not have seen yet
700s	or rather what's been your highlight of creating this statue because this is I don't I don't think
708s	there's immediately anything that they won't have seen yet um the thing that I try to do
712s	with boss Arenas and kind of at the boss as well is trying to keep it simple and quite clean um
719s	cuz obviously the most important part of it is gameplay and you want the arena to be to be clear
726s	and you want to be able to see what's going on at all times so boss Arenas aren't really the place
732s	to put like a lot of little details like Easter eggs in in my opinion some of them could work but
739s	something like the Gate of Elidinis which is kind of a an abstract environment set on top of the
747s	sanctum of rebirth it wasn't really the place for that right so obviously like all the way around
754s	the entire arena is like more sanctum kit mapped to make it look like you're on top of the big
760s	pyramid um where Sanctum of rebirth is set which is which is quite fun like in the sky box and
766s	everything you have like the Rocks floating off as well to to kind of give that impression but yeah
772s	I don't know I I really like doing things like lighting and making cinematic shots and the entire
779s	Arena here is designed as basically one big Vista everything is pointing towards the boss and it's
785s	very much designed for that to be a really great view so that's kind of was my favorite thing was
792s	doing the the composition doing the lighting and supporting all of that and making that look look
797s	really amazing yeah I remember for the for the initial part of development it was going to be
802s	um a fairly standard like circular or Square arena with the boss in the middle we thought that was a
806s	bit too close to Croesus so mod Ramen came up with this idea of making it a wedge so it's a
812s	triangle and it's leading up towards the statue So in theory whenever you're doing the gameplay like
817s	we want this shot with the Statue behind the moon this is meant to be the focus so really wherever
823s	you're playing you're always going to be looking at the boss um and I think it worked out really
827s	nicely yeah exactly I remember when we when we first talked talked through all of the mechanics
834s	and the design and we did like a rough sketch on like a whiteboard of what the boss was it just was
839s	a sketch of the Arena of croesus and I was like oh no we just made croesus again we just made croesus
844s	again it's like it's like crabs all Skilling bosses return to croesus
850s	eventually my favorite part of this is this um lovely Starlight texture on the ground
859s	yes it's such a wonderful touch but I'm just absolutely in love with it I think it's so
863s	beautiful I am incredibly pleased with that because basically the that on the ground is
870s	not particularly a physically accurate realistic metal but it was supposed to be like a super
875s	shiny kind of silver that perfectly reflected the stars in the sky which our engine wasn't
880s	doing even if I made it the shinest it could possibly be so then uh I used some tech that
886s	was made for um like the Aurora Cosmetics where you have like a a panning kind of um stars extra
894s	going over stuff that re reacts to screen space so if you move your camera it reacts to that
900s	I overlay that on it together with like metallic values so it looks like the sky but it's not
905s	actually the sky so I assume most players won't notice that it does it does look like you're
910s	it's like a reflection of of of the sky yeah it is amazing yeah yeah I was very pleased with that um
917s	I know that um uh Graceepants and crystal I know that you potentially had some questions as well
924s	uh you wanted to pass across I was going to ask like what is your favorite part about the Gate of
932s	Elidinis I think it has to be actually the statue of Elidinis because it's so different
940s	from anything I've I've done before I've never made a character that like fully animates and
945s	everything and it's I've made a boss that's in RuneScape now it's pretty cool so that's
950s	probably my favorite part of it you should be really proud of it you should be I am I
957s	know Grace has some questions as well she could ask yeah definitely um so um one of the things I
965s	was wondering about um I know that the ability I guess mine are a little more I guess development
970s	based so probably more aimed at Mod Shrike but um I know that the ability to do this Skilling boss
975s	solo and in a group was kind of one of the most sought-after features for a lot of players um so
980s	I was wondering how much did the scalability factor into the design of the boss so that's
986s	an interesting one and one of the big points of feedback we've had is that players aren't
990s	100% happy with how group feels at the moment and that's something we are looking into we are going
994s	to be tweaking you know how group feels I know mod Ramen' s looking at that at the moment um we were
999s	quite upfront from the start that this is going to be a solo focused experience Croesus was group
1002s	focused this one's solo focused because that's what players were asking for um so that's where
1007s	we put the majority of our effort um grouping at the moment is just flat scaling um because
1013s	it is mostly intended to be a solo experience but you know if players aren't too happy with how it
1017s	feels right now then yeah obviously we can we're going to be tweaking that um yeah that's really to
1025s	hear that's that's okay I have it's one of those things with players like we asked they said oh
1031s	yeah we want a solo Skilling boss we want a solo Skilling boss so we made a solo Skilling boss and
1034s	now everyone's going we want a group Skilling boss and like you want yeah it's really hard to
1040s	balance because like I I don't know it's doing content solo is great sometimes but also like
1046s	I don't know playing with your friends is also yeah yeah yeah but like RuneScape is famously an
1052s	MMO full of cats because everyone wants to play on their own in a multiplayer environment which
1056s	I find very funny um but yeah no it's um yeah definitely solo first but yeah we'll be tweaking
1065s	some experience just off a few of those group shall we try to do the Boss I absolutely love
1076s	the entire Arena we've already been showcasing it it's so studying and Visually pleasing was
1081s	there like any inspiration behind the graphics for this Elidinis area and like specifically
1089s	yeah um basically a lot of that was already done for us um because we wanted similar Aesthetics
1097s	to the sanctum of rebirth but then a lot more um astral almost a lot more nice and yeah obviously
1106s	you have the the very big moon behind behind her so at first we also played a bit with the idea
1112s	of having water in the arena because Elidinis is goddess of the river but we we kind of scrapped
1118s	that eventually um because it was looking a little bit suspiciously like the arena from Elden ring
1127s	from not that you and mod Ramen are obsessed with Elden ring at the moment obsessed with Elden Ring
1135s	absolutely not but yes um and then yeah most a lot of the work for that again was already
1144s	done but then the statue for Elidinis itself was a bit more challenging because I don't
1151s	think Elidinis has ever been depicted in game or if she has it's a no I don't think probably
1156s	really old bad model there's like one really old statue from like 2008 2009 but she's never had a
1162s	proper physical representation um one really cool thing that we did manage to do for this
1168s	update was we got proper concept art for what she actually looks like in her human and animal
1172s	aspects which is just really cool um we've got it up on the wall I think in here somewhere um
1177s	I don't know when we can share it but I'm really excited to share it whenever we get round to it
1183s	yeah kind of it'll kind of depends on whether or not we ever show that or ever show that yeah yeah
1190s	I mean from my point of view when I was doing pre-production for this and trying to come up
1194s	with you know what are the the nouns and what are the verbs and what are The Vibes that we're going
1198s	to put into this and then how do we develop the mechanics from there um I was contrasting it with
1202s	croesuss and croesuss is it's a mushroom it's soil it's disgusting it's kind of slimy and sticky and
1210s	it gets under your nails so for this one it's more ethereal and like like mod blkwitch said it's like
1217s	astral and more abstract rather than earthy so it's more like water and air rather than water
1224s	and Earth and mud all that kind of stuff so those were kind of the the words you start with and then
1229s	doing ideation from from that point to start building out the mechanics and building out the
1233s	visuals and and what's this actually going to look and feel like I really we're coming up to
1237s	half past shall we start a run and see how we go yes because I do have I do have some other
1243s	questions which we have so many we have so many because we've been chatting these obviously since
1247s	since the launch on Monday so it's been a lot of questions that we obviously want to go over but
1253s	yes let us start let us start the boss fight before we start start how do we want to split
1259s	up the jobs I'm happy to focus on maintaining the Moonstone barriers just because I'm also going to
1263s	be answering questions at the same time and I'm not sure how many things I can juggle at once I
1267s	will direct some questions to mod blk witch so if you if you have moments where you're like oh
1273s	I can answer this while I'm mining so what you can do for for grace and crystal you can kind
1279s	of choose to go either North side or Southside so that's what we've been calling um beyond the
1284s	barriers I tried to JMod teleport to the other side of the barriers and obviously that doesn't
1287s	work on my normal account um this side is beyond the protection of the Moonstar barrier so you'll
1291s	be taking Auto attacks and whenever she does her begone attack it will you will get no protection
1296s	from that if you go behind the barriers um you are protected from the auto attacks and you are given
1301s	protection from her projectiles um but you will get slightly less resources will be a little bit
1308s	slower up to you which one you choose um I'll keep the barriers up and yeah once you've got enough um
1315s	statue Pieces Just slam that extra action button and go hit in the face and we can talk about that
1320s	mechanic in a bit actually because I think it's my one of my favorite parts of this boss is the
1323s	slam mechanic I think it's really cool not the face how is that sounding that sounds great I'm
1330s	excited let's go Grace and I we can just uh go do you want to do north or south Grace I'm not
1335s	first either way if you have a preference let me know it doesn't matter to me South is a bit more
1341s	chill because North you do get hit with mechanics and if you get hit with the mechanics and you
1345s	don't avoid them the corruption builds up over time so South might just be a bit easier it'll
1350s	take longer but at least it'll just be a bit easier I'll do South then yeah you want yeah
1355s	so we can stack up as much as possible and then once we both have a good amount we can uh jump
1359s	up at the action button together we can just go up on the agility mechanic together yeah I was
1365s	going to be very chaotic and be like let's let's let just chat decide what everyone's going to be
1370s	doing but I think not okay so I'm grabbing Moonstone pieces at the moment um here we go
1379s	playing this kind of phase one phase two because there was originally like an entire gameplay
1384s	phase in this section and it just wasn't feeling right it's like it's so important to um whenever
1390s	we started play testing things the amount that changed between the original design um we ended
1395s	up just completely cutting stuff and just ripping things out that we thought would be cool initially
1399s	on paper but then when we started playing it it was just like this is great that was going to
1404s	be one of my questions actually yeah like how much of the concept of what you guys designed
1409s	um to how much obviously from the delivery for the delivery of all of this was cut from
1415s	you know concept to execution like that must have been the process of like creating something like
1423s	this must take so long like how long does it usually take for you both to go from all these
1428s	these different types we started developments in end of May I think it was directly after requiem
1435s	for a dragon for me um you might want to heal Crystal um and this is I'm trying to focus on
1445s	two things at once now no yeah good I mean the thing is what was what was great was uh oh there
1451s	we go was I remember meeting you mod black witch in the office it was like my first time going in
1458s	and I remember the first thing I saw was you creating the statue and I was just like what
1464s	is that it was just incredible and I started like the beginning of May so this is for everyone else
1470s	who's like you know listening this takes you know it takes good amount of time to create something
1475s	as incredible as this um and I know that obviously with different departments obviously have been um
1481s	have been working on this I wrote a a very good question which I'd like to read out properly
1486s	because I know that it's probably not going to sound the same if I try to say it myself so
1492s	this boss is really unique and how it integrates Skilling and combat mechanics but it wasn't just
1498s	s development process you had a whole team you had devs artists QA all come together for like a full
1506s	day of brainstorming and prototyping which sounds super creative but can you tell us more about the
1511s	that collaboration that shaped all of this cuz I know that this was something that is obviously not
1517s	just yourself um who had to sort of Design This Much like um mod uh mod black which is well like
1523s	you all had to come in as artists and and and devs to really work together like what was that like
1529s	fuel that would be [Laughter] for that was really good well done guys make sure
1541s	hide behind the attack nice well done I'll keep the barriers up you guys go around for a second
1545s	round sounds good it's so intense so intense we should have put on like tension music on that
1551s	at the same time oh we can talk about the audio in a second because we did some voice acting and
1555s	stuff with this and it was really fun but yes my black please do take that question
1559s	okay um yeah it was so first of all um a JX we can kind of choose if we worked from home or
1566s	in the office so we have some people who are in the office most of the time so like Ren shrike
1571s	and I are kind of in the office a lot of the time already but then there's a lot of other people who
1576s	work on this who weren't and one of the challenges with that is on a project especially like a boss
1583s	fight which changes quite fast and and a lot you want everyone to be onard with it and want
1589s	everyone to be aware of what is going on so that's kind of why design and development had been going
1596s	a little bit slow and we were a little bit stuck with it Sor so yeah we kind of got everyone in
1604s	for a full day of talking it through kind of just going through like right this is the AIO
1609s	that we have and then ripping up completely apart um kind of doing them like rough paper prototypes
1616s	and just also like lay on a whiteboard just like laying out every single step of the fight and how
1622s	it relates to each other and just having everyone in there me more different perspectives and also
1630s	made sure that it it became a lot clearer and didn't become too like overly complicated as well
1637s	because yeah everyone kind of had to be on board everyone like was was really good at questioning
1643s	all the different things and all the different elements and it just helped as well when leaving
1649s	that everyone had a perfect idea of every single part that was needed for yeah some some projects
1656s	you'll you'll work on and you won't have a full idea of something that has changed and then last
1662s	minute other requests come in well this wasn't really the case with us because everyone had a
1667s	very clear idea of this is exactly how this goes and obviously it has changed which play test and
1673s	actually like it's different talking about it and being like this sounds like a great idea
1678s	then actually making it is of course and playing through it is is a lot different
1683s	than that right but but yeah it's a lot of the elements that were discussed then are are
1688s	still there and yeah it was it was a really good experience love that we lost Grace we lost Grace
1695s	Grace that's okay we're almost there if you want to pick up those shards you can just throw in the
1702s	face directly on the ground oh my goodness sorry Grace we just completely missed
1709s	you oh my goodness there you go yeah you can just you can just Chuck him which I always find really
1719s	funny can can I quickly answer a question as well that is in chat about how this is being
1725s	play tested uh for Sanctum of rebirth and this boss as well there were at one point when it was playable
1732s	there were daily play tests which like the same group of people playing through it every single
1737s	time to get quick and quick changes of it so I think that was like a two hour long play test
1743s	every single day wow so yes it gets play tested quite a lot and it was actually quite insane
1749s	seeing how fast the iterations were happening at that point it's why having someone like Ramen on
1754s	the team is just so invaluable because he's been making bosses for 10 years and he just gets it
1760s	right and the kind of changes he can spot and the kind of things he can do are just so so useful um
1768s	we were in these two-hour play tests and he was just changing things on the Fly making sure that
1773s	we were you know getting the right things making sure it felt right and a lot of the big changes
1777s	in the end came from him um it's it's a shame he can't make it onto the stream today because like
1782s	so much of this is him um including that jump slam mechanic that's his his signature of ramen
1788s	magic it's his baby he has a thing he'll do he'll do like he'll he'll say oh I thought of
1793s	an idea it probably won't work and then go dark for two days and come back with the most insane
1798s	prototype you've ever seen it's just what he does apparently um quick side not the the reason the
1806s	cameras wer inverting of of my my OCD which I have to make sure everything is sort of perfect
1813s	and everyone's sort of looking the same way and it was just bugging me that mod black witch was
1816s	looking to the left and not to the right um but yeah I have a stream open on that side of my
1823s	screen oh I suppose yeah since we have made obious this is the second Skilling boss I know that um
1831s	Mod shrike you were you were discussing this before but like in terms of like the challenges that came
1836s	with creating a second Skilling boss what were the the biggest challenges that you all had that
1842s	experience while making this um I would say it's making it distinct enough from croesus but
1849s	still feeling like a Skilling boss uh we spent a long time figuring out was part of the right
1853s	click examine blog that we put out um what is a Skilling boss how do we make it distinct from a
1858s	normal boss how do we make it distinct from um Skilling as a thing because RuneScape Skilling
1864s	most of the time isn't actually that exciting it's just click on a thing and wait so how do
1868s	we turn that into an encounter that then feels like a boss um I'm going to go for a jump Slam
1873s	in a second jump slam here we go there we go we should be able to I can't wait to do this
1881s	I'm so excited to do this we should be able to get it with this one one two three four oh
1889s	Y what okay I was about to say I was like there's a 500K 500 left we're good we're
1896s	good nice one yay all done I love the animation of how she like re oh it's so
1905s	lovely it's um there's something to say about the animation actually because this the way she
1911s	is animated is new for a RuneScape character um the way she's rigged and from a technical level
1918s	really want our animators to do like a little in-depth post about it because it's really
1921s	interesting it's quite experimental um it's very different to how other characters are
1925s	animated and I hope we can bring it into the the rest of the game because it's much quicker it's
1929s	much more efficient it's just like a lot of real nice technical improvements interesting I'm going
1933s	to write that down to it' be nice to get a blog post like a behind the scenes blog post about
1938s	it because it was it super super interesting um but yeah nice job guys uh do we want to
1943s	answer a couple more questions and then maybe do us a second round yeah Crystal uh Grace did
1947s	you guys have any question questions yeah sounds good there've been a couple in chat too that I I
1951s	noticed uh one from Rubik uh were there any mechanics or iteration that didn't make it to
1960s	release yes so uh part of that phase one that I mentioned that was cut completely um there
1967s	was the whole idea of these streams of souls that you can excuse me that you can see going into the
1973s	boss uh you would have kind of souls breaking off from that and starting to wander around the arena
1977s	and you'd have to run around and cleanse them and um try and fix that so the the whole idea was
1982s	that you could see the corruption progressing throughout this environment by the number of
1987s	souls that were breaking away but it just wasn't fun it wasn't fast enough um we initially wanted
1992s	this boss to have a kind of slow build up and then a rapid escalation but that slow buildup
1996s	ended up being too long so we just end up going for that 15 second phase one um and then leaping
2002s	straight into the rapid escalation instead but yeah that all got completely ripped out um and
2008s	I think it's still in code but it's just you know you go in there and you you disconnect the wires
2013s	and you hope for the best it's one of the things that sounds cool on paper and then you try it and
2019s	you play through it and it's like this actually isn't how I thought it would be in my head it's
2024s	why it's why prototyping and why play testing is so important right absolutely absolutely that's
2031s	a really good question I'm not sure uh let me find there was a question I wrote down from
2038s	one player and I know this is something obviously that's that's gone behind because as as someone
2043s	who is currently going through a lot of quests myself it is um it has gotten to a point of
2048s	frustration uh of Skilling bosses or certain bosses being locked behind Quest so we had a
2055s	question from um Good Old Hank um he says or they say I'm super torn uh on the concept of having a
2063s	boss left behind quests which I like also have it having it be a Skilling boss that's not accessible
2069s	to skillers what was the thought process oh keeps going what was the thought process behind locking
2075s	the Skilling boss behind a series of combat requirements are there any potential plans to
2079s	change that so this Skilling boss is very heavily involved with the story there wasn't really a way
2085s	we could release it without including all the story context and you know it it was because
2092s	we did discuss this do we make this completely accessible to Skilling pures players who have
2095s	chosen not to engage in combat or do we make it more widely accessible for this particular context
2101s	and what this Skilling boss needed to do um it wasn't appropriate there's no reason why we can't
2105s	release something different in future um yeah that's the best answer I have really yeah fair
2112s	I mean the the vast loreof RuneScape is massive right it's it goes back to I would to say decades
2121s	but we don't really know what the year span is of the Runescape lore it's almost 25 years now yes
2128s	next year 25 years it's incredible insane insane it's gonna be super exciting super exciting um
2137s	one question I know that some players have had uh their drop rates um has been a little difficult um
2146s	when they've been trying they've been trying uh has there been any talk or discussion yet
2151s	on what the drop rates are going to be like for at the moment no plans to change it I mean drop
2161s	rates are pretty much analogous to any other boss really like we've gone for a boss approach rather
2168s	than a Skilling approach so there is an element of RNG there is an element of luck in your boss
2173s	rolls um the numbers themselves right yeah like the the numbers themselves have been balanced
2181s	for a boss they're not egregious at the moment we don't really have any plans to change them I mean
2187s	it's part of playing bosses in RuneScape is that element of luck yeah and sometimes you go dry and
2193s	that's part of the game um number of times oh was it for the king black dragon lore book the
2198s	number of like the amount of time I had to spend at that Jesus I'm doing it tomorrow I very excited
2204s	to be doing it tomorrow and I've got gra me King black dragon or the law book um that does have bad
2212s	luck mitigation so that your master quest Cape doesn't get completely locked out I think it's
2217s	after 15 or 16 it's guaranteed drop so we have put in stuff like that but for the the skilling
2224s	off hands and the uh the the latent offerings um that's just standard boss rolls really sometimes
2232s	you'll go dry fair enough fair enough I guess it's just one of those things that you have to
2237s	just be quite persistent with um it's part of bossing it's part of bossing right you got to
2242s	keep doing it otherwise if it's too easy you're just not going to you're just not going to do it
2247s	it's well you'll do it once and then that's it the the the the amount of time and effort and
2251s	work that's gone behind creating something like this that you will have created if someone was
2257s	to be able to complete it so quickly and be done with it and get the rewards then people
2262s	would just forget about it and it it's difficult I mean it's more like it's part of the identity of
2266s	RuneScape right yeah that's part of how you play the game um in terms of like player feedback on
2274s	this have you had a chance to go through any play feedback that you've seen um have you been able to
2281s	see any of the work that some of the players have done on this I know there has been some
2285s	incredible artwork and my blkwitch I know that you're probably very proud to see your incredible
2291s	statue coming to life on different versions of her on socials what's that been like for you yeah no
2297s	that's really fun it's it's really great seeing fanart of like a character that I've made now
2303s	that's that's a really good feeling and other than that I I'm already on like I've I've been
2310s	finished with this project for quite a while before it released so far that I've already
2315s	finished a whole other of project since then so oh snap the release felt like a little bit
2320s	strange for me because I was already a little bit detached from it but I've been trying to keep an
2325s	eye on people playing through it and there's one small fix that I did which is the like boxes on
2332s	the the mining nodes making it that you can no longer click between some gaps in there
2337s	that's the one f excited but other than that there hasn't really been any issues for like environment
2345s	or what the actual Boss model as far as I have seen yeah cool cool um oh you've started again
2356s	yay yes we've just started another round awesome awesome I'm gonna go North Side uh Chrystal Gracie
2362s	did you did you have any other questions that you've spoted by any Community has there been
2367s	anything that you've seen um during your streams um that has been sort of a discussion Point uh
2374s	during Gates oh no you didn't dive I did have a question um because I really like the idea behind
2383s	the agility mechanic was there anything that inspired it a lot of people just thought it was
2387s	really cool it's like doing parkour or something so I mean I can't speak for ramen and he'll be
2394s	able to answer this more um accurately but I think it's from my impression of it it's similar to the
2403s	uh time mechanic in the car boss fight which is another one of ramen's fights um he's very
2410s	keen on those sort of big cinematic moments um so that's I think where the thinking of it came from
2417s	it should feel really cool it should feel like a a hell yeah moment um which are really important in
2424s	in um boss encounters you should feel powerful you should feel like you're doing something physically
2429s	really awesome right um and that was just how he decides to do it in in um I don't know if he
2435s	calls them hell yeah moments or whether that's some other one some other designer I've heard
2438s	them call that but that's basically they should give you that feeling of yeah I've done something
2442s	awesome nice yeah yeah like you'll notice whenever you do your final jump you have the slowmo and you
2455s	also have like a little like audio drop whenever you do it which I think is a really nice touch um
2460s	I would love to discuss the audio more if we have time because the a is so good I'm currently having
2465s	it on because I know that I know that um there was a bit of an interest when you said voice over work
2470s	which is really cool so yes please go into it uh so uh we ended up we didn't have enough time
2477s	to get a voice actress in for Elidinis mod Grace instead called myself uh mod black witch
2485s	mod dragon mod Echo and mod Nixon who's also on audio team um and we did the voice acting
2490s	ourselves we just went down to Grace's audio booth and just screamed into a microphone for half an
2494s	hour yeah as it was really fun you do um and it was really really good I love how it turned out
2500s	in the end with all like the overing voices and um it's kind of exactly what I had in mind when I
2504s	was writing the the voice acting script so yeah no it was really awesome yeah I like how otherworldly
2511s	it feels cuz like yes it's a statue she's not supposed to have a voice it's not the voice of
2516s	Elidinis that you hear, and that's as much as I'm going to say about that but layering all of the voices on
2521s	top of each other like gave it a very like wrong kind of feeling and the good way and the exact way
2527s	that we want so that's yeah that is that is one thing to say like this is not Elidinis as a character
2534s	this is the corrupted gate that's attacking you um lore players explore that however you will
2540s	well there we go how it here fast that's really cool I shouldn't swear on stream sorry I'm being
2548s	oh [ __ ] hell sorry you just said that you shouldn't swear Shrike oh my God what what oh no what
2558s	is happening ah see this is what happens I don't think there is one mechanic that I don't think
2564s	players have noticed yet oh okay um which I haven't seen any chatting about if you don't
2570s	do the jump slam if you choose not to there is a soft enrage and her attacks will get more
2577s	powerful and she'll call up more Soul devours and she'll just get a little more difficult each round
2584s	of attacks she does so it's definitely worth doing this if you can a little reinforcements
2591s	yeah just a little bit I love that slow-mo it looks really cool okay we're almost there so
2596s	good so in terms of in terms of voice over work and stuff on this how much was involved
2605s	was it just you guys screaming into this or or is this is there a lot of stuff that's already
2610s	sort of preloaded and in the RuneScape law books that just gets used because I would
2617s	love to do this I would love to be able to go into a Sound Studio and just make some
2621s	noises for RuneScape I think that sounds oh you just ask more grace and she'll say yes that's
2626s	all you have to do you just have to ask right so this is going to be your challenge you're
2630s	gonna have to find out where my voices in okay I could have gotten you as another voice for a
2638s	top it yeah there's male and female voice in it but like we do Dev voice acting quite a lot I know
2646s	for things like the elite dungeons there's several bosses that are voiced by uh jods mod black which
2652s	I know you voice um the chaos witch yes in and that's just you and I find that hilarious because
2659s	you can recognize you by your accident that's so I had I had players message me about that when it
2667s	came which was really funny just like sending me screenshots of them defeating the boss with
2672s	just like screenshot and then the message sit so mean but yeah all all of the bosses in the zamorak
2681s	dungeon besides zamorak himself are Voice by yeah zamorak got a a professional in yeah but things
2688s	like I know the Ambassador in Elite dungeon 3 and Alan kath is voiced by uh mod or Mod Ryan who was
2698s	the lead designer for that project um and I think that's really cool like the the final boss of your
2702s	big project you get to be the voice of I love that um that's really cool where is that uh that's the
2711s	um Elite dungeon 3 which is the underwater one he's the Ambassador should be enough yeah I'm
2720s	I'm ready to go if you guys are big jump big jump one big jump we should get her this time
2728s	how are you how are you by finding a crystal Grace it it's it's a good boss it's very different from
2736s	Cris people ask me like which one I like better per se but they're definitely not
2740s	comparable cuz they're very different in terms of mechanics the way they've been made so it's
2745s	really nice and refreshing to have something different from like everything else we've
2749s	seen so far so Props to the team you guys have done an amazing job of course it's absolutely
2754s	beautiful as well I'm going for the 100 KC for the Sky Box so I'm looking forward to it nice
2760s	thank you that's so cool I've been enjoying it I'm still getting the hang of it um I get
2764s	distracted easily so I keep missing like the beon uh as you saw before but uh um no I'm starting to
2771s	get the hang of it this has become like a hot one's version but instead of hot sauce It's
2777s	Bosses I do love that blood moon Sky Box I feel like that was that that was something that has
2784s	survived from the very original design iteration was we want to have the blood moon or the eclipse
2789s	of some sort it's so stunning yeah I'm so glad that has it's it's actually quite unusual for
2794s	a design that comes up in the initial an idea that comes up in the initial design to survive
2798s	all the way until release usually they change beyond recognition but there were a couple of
2803s	things that actually made it through to the final thing and that Skybox change as one of them so
2807s	yeah very about that one of the very first things I made for the project as well is like I did the
2812s	full light setups like the blue one and the red one before the actual Arena cuz like design the
2817s	arena wasn't done yet so I was just messing around a b lighting I mean going off the the design and
2823s	everything that you you both have made for this like has there been any um thoughts on what you
2829s	could potentially improve for a potential next boss like if there is any discussions as a side
2835s	note um yes I would love to voice a masket for next year thank you I will put my pitch in to more
2843s	grace and see if I can get it done but yes back to you both here um yeah has there been anything in
2849s	there that you'd love to be able to do now that you've done this like obviously there's always
2853s	going to be room for improvements can you give us any potential hints if there is anything that
2860s	is potentially coming or that we can maybe talk about I'm not entirely sure but obviously I can't
2866s	give any hints about what's coming up beyond what we've announced on the right map I tried chat I
2870s	tried um I think with this one we've sh shown that we can do Skilling bosses as a kind of content and
2879s	they're now part of our roster of you know the kind of content we make SK Skilling bosses are
2885s	now we've done two we're like okay we we can keep going with this um me personally I think it would
2891s	be quite interesting to create a group boss that is a combination of Skilling and combat so you
2898s	have more distinct roles you have people who are in that as the combat experts and then you have
2902s	people in there as the Skilling experts and seeing if they can work together to defeat an NPC um
2908s	that's more of Just A vibe idea I don't really have anything specific in mind but it could be
2912s	quite fun that sounds really cool what do you guys think Grace um crystal is like obviously
2918s	from the the vast amount of years that you guys have been playing the game um and obviously going
2925s	through different different bosses and obviously with your help of help me defeat bosses um what
2931s	kind of stuff do you guys look for when trying to access PV uh pvm or you know Skilling bosses like
2937s	is there anything specific that you you like about this kind of stuff really like trying new
2943s	bosses and seeing the differences with sanctum and Elidinisthe telegraphing has been amazing
2950s	and it's just like no other boss we've like ever received and it's been an incredible experience
2956s	cuz it's just something where you're so used to like kind of just getting out mechanics and then
2962s	understanding how the boss works but with the telegraphing it's like you know random it's a
2966s	bit more more exciting so I've really enjoyed the last few boss releases and I'm looking forward to
2973s	more in the future I don't know how Grace feels yeah um so I'm not a big PBM uh but what I've
2979s	really liked about the last couple of bosses is that uh it's made it very clear like where
2985s	you're making mistakes um so it's very easy to to learn um especially like sanctum I mean also with
2992s	this one just like the the blue squares and things like that it's very clear where you need to avoid
2997s	void um and sanctum having like the three lives in normal mode it's not so punishing if you make
3002s	a mistake um so you can continue with the fight um and yeah it's very easy to like to learn um
3011s	these bosses uh and I mean you don't learn them right away but right it's easy to to
3016s	continue to make progress and I think that's um been very helpful for me as someone who's
3021s	not a big pvmr but is trying to to get more into it that's really good to hear because I know uh
3027s	when mod Ryan was doing his design work for sanctum one of the things that he wants to
3031s	tackle is people's fear of pvm and making it more not accessible but just like showing that it's
3036s	not scary and that more people can get involved in it um it sounds like from what you're saying
3041s	there that the kind of work he's been putting in is making a difference so yeah that's really cool
3046s	that's awesome I mean one thing that definitely did terrify me when especially when I went to
3051s	the first time before I even started right when I first began playing and I accidentally went into
3057s	to um falador and then uh into the giant mole boss and I was like what is this level 300 absolutely
3065s	not and just like that's terrified me ever since and I've just like avoided that lair until I had
3071s	the wonderful pleasure of talking to our lovely Discord moderators who were like yeah let's do our
3075s	first boss together and I was like great but no it worked out really well it worked out really well
3081s	and now we are doing um a boss a month we're doing one big boss uh a month so doing king black Dragon tomorrow
3088s	so tune in same time tomorrow uh to watch me make a tit out of myself that'll be fun um but I'll be
3095s	joined by Grace pant which is very helpful and Mrs Caitlyn I believe which is really really exciting
3103s	um we are almost I don't think it's me joining tomorrow but you're you're gonna be in good hands
3107s	otherwise oh you I'll be there with kayin tomorrow oh Crystal Crystal apologies I think it was um no
3114s	worries no worries different names but yes uh uh yes that's great um OB I know that we are almost
3121s	at the wrapup but are there any I know it's it's crazy how fast this hour goes it's it's really
3127s	frustrating goes by really quickly yeah yeah I'm going to head back to the staging era uh yui black
3132s	which I don't know if you've got your mod accounts if you want to come and do love letters and that
3135s	kind of thing I don't thanks guys that' be great can't access my mod account from my home PC un
3140s	otherwise I would I'm afraid I'm on my personal so I can't give them out right now uh I will need to
3147s	log into my VPN which is a little scary because that's what's disconnected our audio a few times
3155s	let's not do that then however I will um I will come we can finish with this this beautiful shot
3160s	of the sanctum from the outside yeah um we are in World 139 I believe yes 139 so if you are in World
3168s	139 and would love to get a quick snapshot of our lovely team here come and join us which would be
3175s	quite nice um but before we do wrap up and get everyone coming to join us um is there any last
3182s	bit of advice um this is a question for all of you I guess CU um everyone's really done the boss and
3187s	there's obviously been elements of the boss which um people are still working towards but are there
3193s	any I would say yeah bits of advice that you would give to people who are just starting this
3199s	out who are sort of just going through this now what kind of advice would you give them
3207s	and that's who everyone
3208s	so I am not sure honestly I am vast majority of flers are way better at this than me so I don't
3220s	know how much advice I can give fair enough fair enough um but yeah I think I think M TR is in deep
3229s	I'm I'm back capturing moments yeah U basically I was just saying like what what kind of advice
3234s	is there um yeah would there be any type of advice you would give to anyone just starting this boss
3243s	is there anything that you could advise to sort of like you know optimize their experience a little
3247s	more I don't have much advice about optimization other than uh bring along mining gear and stuff
3255s	that makes mining faster because then you can build out the barriers faster um I know one of
3260s	them was go bring a gargoyle I think it's got bringing a gargoyle help stuff that makes like
3265s	cuz it it's all plugged into the cor mining system so anything that makes you know extra
3268s	crits extra that kind of stuff then they will be useful to you um okay does mining gear matter MRE
3277s	said yes there you go um in terms of advice for the actual boss I would say like I'm going to
3287s	go for the opposite kind of advice and say don't rush it because it's safe deaths you can kind of
3294s	choose whether you go really Intense or really slow if you find pvm style encounters a little
3300s	intimidating but you're looking to kind of get into it from a Skilling point of view I think
3304s	this is a good one to start with not to toot my own horn but because it is like relatively safe
3312s	fair so don't feel like you have to optimize it as soon as possible because that's not fun a lot
3319s	of the time right before I think like I'm going to get canceled for that but whatever before we
3326s	do finish and uh really sad that we have to finish the stream very soon but um if you all can see our
3333s	lovely twitch chat uh twitch um screen and you can see where M strikes screen is and you want to do a
3341s	nice little pose I'm going to do a nice little screenshot of all of us including our cameras
3346s	um so give it a big smile um when you're ready and I will take a screenshot so I'm just going
3352s	to be set like how's that how's that framing is that all right is that good is does that work for
3357s	everyone can barely see myself like the mess of whatever's going on here
3364s	but I'm just going to stand I'm to sit like this and smile and wait I'm try to
3371s	get the there we go little rescap it so I'm going to do a picture in three two
3378s	one yay amazing very nice Harold gets pi was death taxes and I will be posting that on
3392s	Twitter um so yes thank you um everyone for joining us today it's been a lovely episode
3399s	of oh look how many people there are it's lovely U it's been a great episode of our
3404s	R skill and chat um join me tomorrow for our run skill and boss where I will be joined by
3412s	I'm Crystal and Mrs Caitlyn uh tomorrow um but I'd love to say a huge huge thank you
3419s	to our wonderful jods who have joined us today uh mod black [Music] witch thank you for coming
3429s	and and the amazing mod strike thank you both so much uh for joining us thank you very much
3435s	for having me on yeah absolutely we can't wait to do more stuff like this again but
3439s	yes from us to you have a lovely evening and we will see you tomorrow goodbye thank you goodbye

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