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| 0s | hello everyone welcome we are live today |
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| 4s | we have a very special comp Cape rework |
| 6s | stream we have had a couple of these as |
| 8s | the month months have gone by but there |
| 11s | I think this is a very important one |
| 12s | because we actually have visual stuff to |
| 15s | show which is very exciting but what |
| 18s | that may be who knows fur now you call |
| 20s | it art we can call it out here of course |
| 22s | we can absolutely we can call it out so |
| 25s | for the start the stream I have more |
| 27s | breezy and Monjack joining joining us |
| 29s | and we'll be joined later on in the |
| 33s | stream by two months we'll introduce |
| 35s | them when they get on the couch with us |
| 36s | and then we'll go for it but I mean like |
| 38s | we kind of need to touch base and use |
| 40s | this opportunity while we here it's kind |
| 41s | of touch upon call paperwork hammer out |
| 44s | a few important topics I think we've |
| 46s | clarity like we want to get out here |
| 48s | there and we can kind of get into the |
| 49s | design stuff there's a few questions you |
| 50s | just keep coming up so before we do that |
| 52s | because I like to have fun |
| 56s | well seventy right now if you arm will |
| 59s | 17 you decide to go to somewhere like a |
| 61s | Sam's workshop or a Heights you're |
| 62s | familiar if familiar might get sent well |
| 64s | we'll get sent to somewhere called yak |
| 66s | island so if we talk to the game screen |
| 67s | just very quickly that's what we have so |
| 70s | so far so or imagine all of your |
| 73s | familiars are sent to this little place |
| 75s | called yak islands so if you want to see |
| 76s | your familiars there yeah they might |
| 78s | just appear so just what why not show it |
| 80s | because why not |
| 81s | anyway let's go back to the car god poor |
| 86s | familiars and let's just jump into so a |
| 89s | little while ago we released a |
| 92s | spreadsheet about t1 t2 t3 and all this |
| 95s | stuff can we just get into it |
| 97s | straight away I mentioned first of all |
| 100s | all the requires on there I'm not final |
| 101s | right yeah yeah so so you guys put |
| 105s | together |
| 106s | some example requirements that were |
| 108s | going to be on t1 t2 t3 comp people are |
| 111s | saying well why's that doesn't make |
| 112s | sense to be on tier 3 that's great give |
| 113s | us a feedback please cuz we're |
| 115s | constantly tweaking stuff and moving |
| 116s | stuff around yeah it was by no means a |
| 119s | final list that it was just there |
| 120s | basically to get a verification from the |
| 121s | players we want people to tell us if |
| 124s | they think some some requirement should |
| 125s | move up or down or whatever yeah it's |
| 129s | best to make it like what we're most |
| 130s | interested in is like a coherent |
| 131s | argument as to why sure |
| 133s | like you've said this is easy but it |
| 135s | takes five thousand hours that's a good |
| 136s | argument but why shouldn't be a terawatt |
| 138s | right like alright so I wait at this |
| 141s | point now where and we decided |
| 142s | everything I kept as everything we |
| 144s | decided oh no yeah I mean we're gonna |
| 147s | talk about some topics today right we're |
| 149s | still trying to make our mind up on them |
| 150s | in terms of practical development like |
| 153s | we need to actually make progress on the |
| 154s | project right otherwise it'll never come |
| 156s | out and some things are easy to change |
| 158s | and some things are hard to change so |
| 159s | for example one of the most |
| 160s | controversial things is where's Reaper |
| 162s | gonna go and we we still don't have a |
| 164s | final answer on that and we're not gonna |
| 165s | have a final answer on that for a while |
| 166s | but that is the work of five minutes to |
| 168s | change for us so we don't it's not built |
| 171s | it's not holding the project up we need |
| 173s | to get that right we need to get |
| 174s | agreement maybe we need to introduce new |
| 176s | systems or something to try and solve |
| 177s | that problem but it's not holding the |
| 179s | project up whereas other issues like |
| 182s | like what's the interface that tom was |
| 187s | working on today like like being able to |
| 189s | select which benefits do and don't go on |
| 190s | your case |
| 191s | yeah exactly customer customizing the |
| 194s | benefits that go on the Cape I mean the |
| 196s | far as I can see that's a totally non |
| 197s | controversial aspect to the update |
| 199s | everyone's happy to like yeah that |
| 200s | sounds great of course I can have all |
| 201s | these benefits just to take a step back |
| 204s | just to bring people into who might not |
| 206s | be aware this is essentially taking |
| 208s | passive benefits yeah they can start |
| 210s | taking benefits from certain capes and |
| 211s | making them passive attachment right and |
| 213s | and you'll be able to put those on I |
| 215s | think I think it's a I think I think |
| 216s | whether it's any cape or not can still |
| 218s | be changed but that there will be an |
| 220s | interface that will allow you to choose |
| 222s | which benefits you have I mean so we can |
| 224s | start developer now because that's |
| 225s | actually quite a lot more than he's |
| 226s | doing so we're working we're getting to |
| 229s | gang getting started on the less |
| 231s | controversial more work intensive |
| 233s | aspects of the update so they're just |
| 235s | done and then the much more |
| 236s | controversial stuff like what's at tier |
| 237s | 3 |
| 238s | you know like so we've got the system |
| 240s | where you'll unlock stats there's been |
| 242s | some talk about how exactly you unlock |
| 244s | those stats again once we've got the |
| 246s | stat system working target we wouldn't |
| 249s | do this but if we suddenly decided oh |
| 251s | you need tier three law to get the stats |
| 252s | that's again that's two minutes worth to |
| 254s | do so if someone somehow came in and |
| 256s | said you know what actually well this |
| 258s | will rework really needs is this huge |
| 260s | changed where you get stats which from a |
| 261s | player point of view is a huge deal two |
| 263s | minutes work for us so |
| 266s | I mean as it is too long combat makes |
| 268s | sense of stats cool okay so let's talk |
| 270s | about stats all right what's happening |
| 272s | to quotient called best in slot stats so |
| 274s | obviously in the current game |
| 275s | completions case right now is the best |
| 278s | capable stats when it comes to magic |
| 279s | bonus and so on and so forth so what are |
| 281s | we doing with the stats I so I think |
| 284s | there's been some confusion over this |
| 288s | because many people have pointed out |
| 291s | that the the stat total in the desert |
| 294s | that if you look at the current live |
| 295s | design for the rework the total stats |
| 297s | you can get is lower than what you |
| 299s | currently get from combi and we don't |
| 301s | want that to be the case we can't tell |
| 303s | you exactly what the stats are going to |
| 305s | be right now because so that the point |
| 306s | of the new system is you get these |
| 307s | passive stats from having to on combat |
| 309s | unlocked that's the current design I'm |
| 312s | emphasizing that every time because I |
| 313s | want to make it clear but these things |
| 314s | can change I don't think that one should |
| 315s | change but everything is subject to |
| 317s | change but you get these passive stats |
| 319s | from Tier one comp they were then stack |
| 322s | with whatever Cape you're wearing so |
| 324s | depending on whether you're wearing the |
| 327s | max cape or the kiln Cape you've either |
| 329s | got lower hybrid stats or higher like |
| 333s | single style stats so then we need to |
| 335s | basically decide which of those two is a |
| 339s | comp is one slightly higher is one |
| 340s | slightly lower but we need to figure |
| 342s | that out but it's not our intention that |
| 344s | there's a big nerf we just need to |
| 346s | figure out how to get parity with the |
| 348s | current system cool okay and also I |
| 351s | think we kind of want to dive into I |
| 353s | mean why why are we doing this rework I |
| 355s | think we kind of want to touch bases to |
| 357s | that and I feel let's fill up chain to |
| 358s | do so so why are we now decided this is |
| 360s | what we want to do yeah one of the one |
| 362s | of those common bits of feedback we get |
| 363s | is is the whole point of this rework is |
| 369s | to get rid of Reaper or the whole point |
| 372s | of this rework is to fix PBM stats or |
| 374s | what's the one there's another one as |
| 376s | well the keeps couple the whole point is |
| 377s | rework is because I've read it yeah and |
| 380s | like everyone thinks that there's some |
| 382s | specific bit of whining which which |
| 384s | which has triggered this rework and if |
| 385s | we're not like focusing entirely on that |
| 389s | aspect then for some reason we're |
| 391s | missing the point is very what but |
| 392s | that's why we laid out in every document |
| 393s | we did we laid out the four priorities |
| 396s | the rework which are it's a |
| 398s | problem that people are being forced to |
| 400s | comp when they don't want to because |
| 402s | they only wanted stats it's a problem |
| 405s | that certain pieces of content have been |
| 408s | put on slightly arbitrarily it's a |
| 410s | problem that livid farm as an example |
| 412s | masonry yeah like like how you get |
| 417s | inconsistency then basically how you can |
| 418s | have some piece of content in yeah on |
| 422s | their own farms for example where was on |
| 424s | the immediate attacks that could have |
| 425s | been content realistically and then |
| 427s | there's a there's a there's a problem |
| 428s | that affects us on it I think for most |
| 430s | players especially most compiz won't see |
| 432s | this problem because almost by |
| 434s | definition anyone who's comped his light |
| 436s | interrupt is enjoying the content and is |
| 440s | it thinks it's great right don't over |
| 443s | emphasize that but anyone who's comped |
| 445s | sort of thinks comp must be okay because |
| 447s | if they didn't they wouldn't do it right |
| 448s | so an aspect that we miss is it affects |
| 452s | us that won't necessarily affect |
| 454s | competence so they won't necessarily be |
| 455s | aware of it is players who sort of look |
| 457s | at comp and go you know what that's just |
| 459s | unattainable and that's not to say that |
| 462s | we want to make it easy but we want to |
| 463s | make it so there's much more of a clear |
| 465s | path to get there so we're not looking |
| 467s | at nerfing comp to make it easier but we |
| 469s | do want to make essentially the path to |
| 471s | comp be more visible and more attainable |
| 474s | come okay |
| 475s | so we obviously a little while back |
| 477s | mentions about names for these capes |
| 480s | stuff like true or insane kind of come |
| 483s | up so why are we calling them the true |
| 485s | or insane came safe went up in |
| 486s | everything on them it's mostly just |
| 488s | labeling again that's that's a really |
| 490s | straightforward things change we wanted |
| 491s | to start giving them labeling cuz I |
| 492s | think you pointed out like a lot of |
| 494s | people are finding TR confusing yeah |
| 496s | calling it tier 1 tier 2 makes the whole |
| 499s | thing sound from the complicated than it |
| 500s | is if we say oh comp is tier 1 and trim |
| 503s | comp is tier 2 like comp and trim can't |
| 506s | make more sense to people they |
| 507s | understand what those mean tier 1 and |
| 508s | tier 2 don't really yeah so we we just |
| 510s | wanted to assign them some clear labels |
| 512s | so that you could tell like roughly what |
| 514s | this was |
| 515s | it's very much a working name because we |
| 516s | don't have a name for what those could |
| 518s | be right now like in game you know the |
| 520s | most comp and then trim comp that's it |
| 521s | those are essentially tier 1 it's here |
| 523s | to I think we actually have an image for |
| 525s | this yeah can we bring up image on one |
| 530s | place so |
| 532s | what you see on screen in just a few |
| 533s | months so what we are so that's that's |
| 535s | basically the current system in game |
| 537s | right now |
| 537s | Tier one is essentially comp Cape so you |
| 540s | can see that what we've done here is we |
| 541s | have categorized it into its own well |
| 545s | into its own cat category so you see |
| 547s | like Illinois for example all quest is |
| 548s | currently part of comp 99m actual 120s |
| 551s | part of creepers part of comp as an |
| 553s | example tier two is then trim comp which |
| 556s | again has things like castle wars on it |
| 557s | under percent tell us and if we go to |
| 559s | the next image this is the new system so |
| 563s | it hasn't actually changed that much |
| 564s | we're just adding on an extra tier and |
| 569s | that's what we're currently calling |
| 571s | concave true comp and then insane comp |
| 573s | and we are shifting some of the |
| 574s | requirements around that's why we |
| 576s | purpose spreadsheet a couple weeks ago |
| 577s | just to show off |
| 579s | basically what each gate will require |
| 581s | and get some feedback on that so we're |
| 584s | attaching capes to it too but it's not |
| 587s | too different from how the current |
| 589s | system works so just to clarify because |
| 591s | I think people are getting confused you |
| 592s | um I think the perception is this is the |
| 594s | confirmed requirements this is using the |
| 597s | current live as in the current |
| 599s | requirements we have to get certain fins |
| 600s | and then if the tier system is in this |
| 603s | is how it works so I feel that's |
| 604s | important to clarify for people watching |
| 607s | here except they're getting a little bit |
| 608s | confused when they see for example oh |
| 610s | Reapers Tier one combat or and you know |
| 612s | so on yeah this is this is just purely |
| 614s | an example is to have it looks someone |
| 615s | someone just made an interesting comment |
| 616s | in the chat which is why are you saying |
| 618s | and not changing it when you are |
| 619s | obviously changing it by adding an extra |
| 620s | tier and I think what you mean is like |
| 622s | we're not completely revising yet |
| 625s | completely new like it's a new system |
| 628s | it's yeah it's it's a layer on top of |
| 629s | another you can you can the main |
| 631s | difference in the new system is there's |
| 632s | there's an extra tier and also you can |
| 634s | get sub bits um you can you can be |
| 637s | chunks which is what I mentioned earlier |
| 638s | about I mean being accessible those |
| 640s | those categories existing game right now |
| 642s | when you go to your achievements tabbing |
| 643s | game you've got mini games you've got |
| 645s | skills and they're all separated into |
| 647s | farming whatever that's basically all |
| 648s | we're doing is doing a little bit clean |
| 650s | up really cool all right so that's you |
| 654s | know we kind of want to use what we have |
| 657s | already in game and kind of show you how |
| 659s | it could work as an example so yeah just |
| 662s | what you could be a heads up on that so |
| 664s | I mean just |
| 665s | from that I mean it does look |
| 666s | complicated and can be a bit confusing |
| 669s | so I mean is is that being some of the |
| 672s | perception in the office or I mean |
| 675s | that's that's a lot of feedback that has |
| 676s | come back and I think when we when we |
| 678s | talk about adding fifteen capes to it |
| 680s | people look at that number and say look |
| 681s | say yeah they say what the hell when |
| 684s | they see all these sort of boxes and |
| 685s | stuff they say what the hell because |
| 686s | right now when you look at it in-game |
| 687s | you click on the completionist tab in |
| 690s | the achievements and it just gives you a |
| 692s | bunch of requirements |
| 693s | whereas what we've done here and in our |
| 696s | documents is split them up so we said |
| 697s | all the sort of questing lower |
| 700s | achievement school in this category all |
| 701s | the skilling ones go in this category |
| 703s | we're just making it clearer for people |
| 705s | to see in what parts of the game that |
| 708s | content actually lies and then watch |
| 711s | what my Jack was speaking about earlier |
| 713s | about giving people clearer goals we're |
| 716s | giving capes to those categories so for |
| 719s | some of those guys yeah some of them |
| 720s | sorry so it's not it's not too much of a |
| 726s | shift I'd say but it's not hard to see |
| 731s | why people would get complicated that |
| 732s | sorry it's not hard to see why people |
| 734s | would would think it's complicated I do |
| 736s | I mean it does that it's very |
| 739s | overwhelming I mean that's safe to say |
| 740s | but I mean that's where it comes from I |
| 742s | guess the clarification of showing it I |
| 746s | think when it's in the hands it might be |
| 748s | easy to pick up but when you see it |
| 750s | there it can be a little weird we had I |
| 752s | mean we had we just got off money and |
| 753s | smithing and we had this problem a lot |
| 754s | yeah that I mean so so I would say |
| 758s | there's nothing here anywhere near as |
| 760s | complicated as mining mining is simpler |
| 762s | than smithing was that so this is the |
| 763s | real world skills right smithing is much |
| 765s | more complicated than mining mining is |
| 766s | much more complicated of a comprar work |
| 768s | and what we found in practice was that |
| 770s | people even this was even true with |
| 771s | developers reading through the |
| 772s | documentation people just went I don't |
| 774s | really get this what's this for what |
| 775s | these are opportunities that are we know |
| 776s | anything about this when they tried how |
| 778s | in practice it all made perfect sense |
| 779s | less so word smithing I'm perfectly |
| 781s | prepared to admit that's kind of my |
| 782s | point this is simpler than smithing and |
| 784s | simpler mining was I think when people |
| 787s | say it's complicated there's actually |
| 789s | two different points that being made |
| 790s | there and some people mean one and some |
| 791s | of the other one is one is effectively |
| 793s | like not necessarily I don't understand |
| 795s | this but but this is very confusing they |
| 797s | might understand it but it |
| 798s | seems unnecessarily complex and |
| 801s | confusing they'd rather have something |
| 802s | simpler the other is that I think a lot |
| 804s | of people mean it includes elements they |
| 806s | think are unnecessary so why are we why |
| 808s | is why does tier 3 white like some |
| 810s | people will say the only point in this |
| 812s | rework is to get repo off comp so just |
| 813s | get ripoff comp and ship it why are you |
| 815s | bothering why you're bothering with it |
| 816s | because there are other people who are |
| 818s | saying don't take me prof comp what you |
| 821s | need to do is add in true trim which has |
| 822s | 5.4 build on it why have you know why |
| 824s | just do that and ship it so we've got |
| 826s | lots of different groups of people all |
| 827s | of whom want something different and all |
| 829s | of them think that only the thing that |
| 830s | they want should be fixed and everything |
| 833s | else alone I think its importance is to |
| 835s | clarify that essentially it's not just |
| 838s | of course the 1k but it's in essence |
| 840s | lesser capes building up to the bigger |
| 843s | capes and then from that they're gonna |
| 845s | be stepping stones to get there so |
| 848s | you'll do like your medium stuff a Tier |
| 850s | one this an example halves of a tier two |
| 852s | and then your elite stuff a tear-free in |
| 854s | regards to the content itself so I think |
| 857s | that's also important to clarify what we |
| 860s | write though so obviously leading on |
| 862s | from what we just talked about we |
| 864s | mentioned about comp being split in or |
| 866s | divided into subcategories why the |
| 869s | requirements are not being determined by |
| 871s | specific parts a community for example |
| 873s | let's say 200 million all force killers |
| 875s | and for Kate Ellis for combat something |
| 878s | yeah it's more it's worth noting with |
| 882s | like the audience is the audience for |
| 888s | each part of the game is different and I |
| 890s | think if we only listen to the elite pvm |
| 893s | community for what they want for every |
| 895s | single cape we're ignoring the other 70 |
| 898s | 80 90 % of people who are going to go |
| 901s | for company if we listen to people who |
| 904s | want 5.4 bill on it which is where |
| 907s | around 540 people right now that's not a |
| 909s | lot like that that's that's what people |
| 910s | with about 540 overall that's not a lot |
| 913s | of people if we only listen to them and |
| 914s | then do what they want for that specific |
| 916s | point we're ignoring other people on the |
| 919s | other hand if we only listens people who |
| 921s | say let's just remove a reaper I don't |
| 923s | like group content or it's too hard for |
| 926s | me we're then ignoring everyone else who |
| 927s | does want to challenge so it's not a |
| 930s | case of listening to one small community |
| 932s | on either side it's a case of listening |
| 934s | to everyone and when everyone's opinions |
| 937s | and trying to find a middle ground a |
| 941s | compromise that can please as many |
| 945s | people as we can |
| 946s | yeah and it's hard to do that because an |
| 949s | unbalanced balancing when we take as |
| 951s | many people as we can we don't mean |
| 952s | necessarily like the raw majority in the |
| 956s | sense of like if you're not a compa and |
| 958s | you don't care about comp yeah you're |
| 960s | not necessarily the target audience for |
| 961s | comp exactly I don't want to say your |
| 963s | opinion is less valuable but that is |
| 964s | kind of why I mean like yeah look like |
| 966s | like Kanye's content for a certain type |
| 967s | of player and you want that type of |
| 969s | player to enjoy it yeah here's the |
| 971s | player base here's people who are comped |
| 973s | are going to comp yeah yeah and then and |
| 976s | then and then here's the people who can |
| 978s | do 4k tell us yeah yeah Cup excuse me so |
| 985s | I've got just a rattling off here why is |
| 988s | tear-free brackets insane calm so easy |
| 990s | so many people already meet these |
| 991s | requirements perception is we get this |
| 994s | feedback a lot |
| 995s | yeah it seems addameer know like what 1k |
| 997s | tell us what everyone's got 1k talented |
| 999s | someone tweet me like everyone's got 1k |
| 1001s | tell us yet most of it most of this |
| 1003s | feedback is coming from quite a limited |
| 1006s | gear for the player base has got like |
| 1008s | the majority of people do not meet the |
| 1010s | requirements for we penciled in as like |
| 1012s | Tier three like 120 or we penciled in 1k |
| 1015s | tell us but we're considering changing |
| 1017s | that but say for seclorum won't they |
| 1018s | tell us like most people do not have 1k |
| 1020s | tell us most pdms don't have one go tell |
| 1022s | us it's a fairly as we've said like a |
| 1024s | fairly indie so it needs killers have |
| 1026s | 120 or Elite PV Emma's have 1k tell us I |
| 1029s | think what those people are asking |
| 1030s | really is for the only for the sort of |
| 1033s | 500 to a thousand players who are |
| 1035s | absolutely do one another number from |
| 1037s | December because I didn't December which |
| 1040s | was how many people had certain enrages |
| 1042s | so at December 2018 there is a data |
| 1045s | stream coming up in the near future |
| 1046s | where I'll bring this up again and we'll |
| 1048s | hopefully have different numbers but at |
| 1050s | the time four months ago there are 1,100 |
| 1053s | people of 1k enraged and 17 people |
| 1057s | before him as an interesting factor |
| 1060s | that's one we see we've got we've got |
| 1061s | 500 people who've got to Dominion we've |
| 1064s | got 1,000 people you've got 1k tell us |
| 1066s | those players and I'm not saying the |
| 1068s | wrong to want this but those players |
| 1070s | want more challenges they want harder |
| 1072s | things they want they want a cape that |
| 1074s | recognizes that they've done something |
| 1075s | that no one else can do and so they have |
| 1079s | a problem with them arguing for this but |
| 1080s | they want those requirements on comp so |
| 1083s | that only they will have it but then |
| 1085s | that says well then we've got if we if |
| 1087s | we put the tier 3 combat requires four K |
| 1089s | tell us and tier 3 skilling requires |
| 1091s | 200-million all then the cross-section |
| 1093s | of people who have bugs is hardly |
| 1096s | anybody and there's nothing wrong with |
| 1097s | having aspirational content in the game |
| 1099s | but we need to set that at a place where |
| 1101s | a reasonable number of people can go for |
| 1103s | it well it doesn't mean the majority |
| 1104s | invest so much time in 25.4 and then I |
| 1107s | have to invest so much time for exactly |
| 1109s | at the sheer number of players we have |
| 1112s | who are even capable of doing both |
| 1113s | bearing in my 5.4 bill people can be |
| 1115s | blasé about it sale anybody can do that |
| 1118s | it's not true it takes a certain amount |
| 1119s | of dedication and patience to get 200 |
| 1122s | mil all right not everyone can do that |
| 1124s | even though it sounds conceptually |
| 1125s | simple and not everyone can get 4k tell |
| 1127s | us and very few people can do both so we |
| 1132s | can't like as developers we calm as like |
| 1136s | I don't know I would say so far say not |
| 1138s | just we can't but we shouldn't devote |
| 1140s | development time to something that say |
| 1142s | 15 people can do I don't think that's I |
| 1144s | don't have the right use of our time |
| 1147s | it's fair yeah there's there's obviously |
| 1151s | it's a very contentious topic of course |
| 1153s | there's all that said I would say we've |
| 1156s | seen a clear desire here for especially |
| 1159s | from the from the elite PBM community |
| 1161s | they want something that recognizes |
| 1164s | their accomplishments and they're not |
| 1165s | getting that from comp and I'm arguing |
| 1167s | kind of we can't put that on comp but |
| 1169s | that doesn't mean that we've ignored |
| 1170s | that point it sounds to me like there's |
| 1171s | a separate project there for you know |
| 1174s | elite pvm achievements again G over I'll |
| 1177s | go comes up a lot and that kind of thing |
| 1178s | you know people they want recognition |
| 1179s | for their for their accomplishments and |
| 1181s | and that sounds to me like a perfectly |
| 1182s | good separate project I can't promise a |
| 1184s | obviously but like I think that's the |
| 1186s | correct way to respond to that feedback |
| 1187s | he's not to put that stuff on comp but |
| 1189s | to put that stuff somewhere else so it |
| 1190s | can be recognized in its own right and |
| 1193s | obviously we have to go into the well |
| 1195s | contentious point which is Reaper I mean |
| 1197s | what's what's happening at Reaper at the |
| 1198s | moment well what are we doing with |
| 1199s | we've gone back and forth on this so |
| 1201s | many times because we've got this |
| 1202s | there's two really important arguments I |
| 1203s | think they're here right the first is |
| 1205s | it's the complicate it should require |
| 1206s | you to do everything simple |
| 1208s | straightforward make sense |
| 1210s | seems obvious if you just put it in |
| 1211s | those terms but the other is like not |
| 1214s | just comping but like the the playstyle |
| 1218s | ethos behind comp regardless of whether |
| 1220s | the comp cake came out the I'm going to |
| 1222s | play runescape I'm going to do |
| 1223s | everything predates COC and it predates |
| 1226s | the difficult bossing look that is |
| 1229s | represented by Reaper effectively all |
| 1230s | the problematic parts of Reaper is |
| 1233s | either is a is a play style in runescape |
| 1235s | which is it I mean it sounds silly |
| 1237s | because it's quite old now but it's |
| 1239s | actually new to rinse cape from a |
| 1240s | certain perspective like playing in that |
| 1243s | way you know though there was a point |
| 1246s | where the hardest thing in the game was |
| 1247s | jarred right and the idea of this |
| 1252s | extraordinarily difficult content there |
| 1253s | not everyone can do a nice extra right |
| 1255s | so some people tell us is |
| 1256s | extraordinarily difficult continent |
| 1257s | right well I mean the biggest Reaper |
| 1260s | problem is and the chakram if I'm wrong |
| 1263s | but I think so lack in regards to what |
| 1265s | stopped a lot of people getting their |
| 1267s | Young's redone was so luck because |
| 1269s | you've still have to find a team who can |
| 1271s | do it yeah you've got to be good meeting |
| 1272s | they can be for that point yeah |
| 1273s | absolutely and so that's so that's the |
| 1275s | oh yes that's the other thing is I said |
| 1277s | sorry that's what I'm trying to get her |
| 1278s | is yeah you're being required to do |
| 1280s | something which almost sort of wasn't |
| 1283s | there when you signed up in the first |
| 1284s | place you signed up to play runescape |
| 1286s | you're like I love her inscape I love |
| 1287s | you know whatever it is you love about |
| 1288s | runescape the chances are it wasn't |
| 1291s | originally difficult group offering so |
| 1295s | and that can't when that content was |
| 1297s | made we made it with the full knowledge |
| 1300s | that was effectively not for everybody |
| 1302s | like hard bosses are there as a specific |
| 1305s | kind of content for a specific kind of |
| 1306s | player and then the problem is that then |
| 1308s | into intersects very poorly with comp |
| 1310s | the vision for what comp Cape is which |
| 1312s | is it's for someone who can do |
| 1314s | everything so then we've got the player |
| 1316s | who wants recognition for sort of doing |
| 1317s | everything in game and then we've got |
| 1319s | almost a different audience who for whom |
| 1322s | difficult high-level bossing is has been |
| 1324s | created for and that's left us in a just |
| 1327s | a really difficult position and honestly |
| 1329s | we don't have a concrete good solution |
| 1331s | to that |
| 1331s | I think in in in terms of the long term |
| 1335s | philosophy of the game I think I would |
| 1340s | say if we're going to stick with this |
| 1341s | philosophy of comp is everything like |
| 1343s | means you have to do everything then we |
| 1345s | can't have content that most players |
| 1346s | can't do or about what I mean by that is |
| 1349s | something like in the dungeons have a |
| 1351s | story mode for exactly that purpose we |
| 1353s | don't use proper content it's hard for a |
| 1355s | certain type of player but then we have |
| 1356s | a story mode so everyone can go through |
| 1357s | and do it so maybe we need to do that |
| 1360s | for future bosses to make sure that this |
| 1362s | problem doesn't come up again that now |
| 1363s | that isn't something we can fix with |
| 1365s | this with this project but that seems to |
| 1368s | me to be the long-term solution to it |
| 1370s | because then we can have both you have |
| 1371s | to complete everything you don't |
| 1372s | necessarily have to complete it on its |
| 1374s | hardest difficulty setting yes it's |
| 1375s | crazy to try and take it all in a safe |
| 1378s | but so I would go for a couple questions |
| 1381s | and then that'll take us up to halfway |
| 1384s | for the stream which gives us a perfect |
| 1385s | time tend to get on to the arty side of |
| 1388s | in so I mean why haven't we done |
| 1391s | anything poling wise for this update at |
| 1393s | all we are we are still planning to pull |
| 1397s | stuff you're gonna talk about this a bit |
| 1398s | later with the art right yeah the thing |
| 1402s | the thing that makes this project |
| 1403s | particularly difficult for Paul is the |
| 1404s | question of who gets to vote like some |
| 1409s | some parts of the comp community will |
| 1410s | tell you that only compressor dope is |
| 1413s | that true how do we wait the two right |
| 1414s | like we did if we run it if we run a |
| 1416s | majority poll that and we say should we |
| 1419s | make comp easier |
| 1420s | we fully expect and I think probably |
| 1422s | community would expect that that hold |
| 1424s | pass that's certainly what we saw in the |
| 1425s | polling that we did we we sort of did |
| 1428s | some polling to help design the project |
| 1429s | which was for computus we split the |
| 1431s | results into compiz a non compos and the |
| 1432s | non comp is consistently voted for |
| 1434s | things to be easier and the |
| 1435s | non-conference not not overwhelmingly so |
| 1438s | but they voted less than the non compos |
| 1440s | to make things easier so if we ran just |
| 1442s | a majority a simple majority poll on |
| 1444s | whether or not any aspect of comparably |
| 1447s | made easier should we take castle walls |
| 1448s | of it |
| 1448s | should we take really profit that Paul |
| 1450s | would pass even though the majority of |
| 1453s | the people that voted in that poll |
| 1454s | probably won't ever get comp |
| 1456s | I think the comp community could |
| 1457s | rightfully say what's not really fair |
| 1458s | like why should the majority who don't |
| 1460s | want this content determine what that |
| 1462s | content consists of but of course if we |
| 1464s | restrict the poll to |
| 1465s | only compiz that's also not fair because |
| 1468s | of course the people that have done the |
| 1469s | content would vote to keep the content |
| 1471s | of course they would so how is that fair |
| 1473s | because all the people who might come |
| 1475s | except for castle walls where's their |
| 1477s | say-so actually like polling doesn't |
| 1479s | really solve that problem for us because |
| 1480s | we already know how the two communities |
| 1482s | feel on the subject the question is how |
| 1484s | do we wipe them is it don't treat every |
| 1486s | comprar get two votes then it's just |
| 1488s | kind of arbitrary right like it's not |
| 1491s | really a question that can be solved by |
| 1492s | polling because it won't make anyone |
| 1494s | happy like the result however the result |
| 1497s | comes back however we set the polyp no |
| 1499s | one will be happy with the result it'll |
| 1500s | just be like fifty-two percent |
| 1501s | everyone's angry I mean what I've seen |
| 1503s | just from this chat is there it goes |
| 1505s | both ways some people agree do some |
| 1507s | people don't |
| 1508s | absolutely yeah I mean it's pretty I |
| 1509s | kind of proves that fact I mean it's not |
| 1512s | a topic that is 100 percent decisive and |
| 1515s | that's unfortunate what I'd might my |
| 1518s | preferred approach would always be if |
| 1520s | we've got this this this impossible |
| 1522s | situation well two different communities |
| 1523s | want two different things is to somehow |
| 1525s | find a way to like break that apart so |
| 1528s | that |
| 1528s | so rather than one thing trying to serve |
| 1531s | two audiences that for and fundamentally |
| 1532s | different things let's have two pieces |
| 1534s | of content like if story mode would be |
| 1536s | an example of that like we want a hard |
| 1537s | boss but most people can't do it okay |
| 1539s | well we'll give them a story mode |
| 1540s | problem solved now we don't have the |
| 1542s | issue of well no one can do this context |
| 1544s | it's too difficult so before we got into |
| 1545s | art section well we get you on the |
| 1547s | stream when it's a Power Stone spirits |
| 1549s | up again yeah where we are at so we've |
| 1553s | got more trogon who is now a developer |
| 1554s | congratulations to him |
| 1556s | he in his in his content trial he |
| 1559s | designed an agility minigame no was it |
| 1563s | was really a hunter minigame and then we |
| 1565s | demanded that he redesign it for |
| 1570s | thieving no he proposed a thieving |
| 1572s | minigame and then we demanded a he |
| 1574s | on-the-spot redesign it for Hunter he |
| 1576s | did and then demanded that he on the |
| 1578s | spot redesign it for Constitution and he |
| 1580s | did a really good job to get there |
| 1582s | anyway he's got some time to work on |
| 1583s | stones various improvements so we've got |
| 1587s | a design we've got a design that sort of |
| 1588s | it's not in a fit state to show anyone |
| 1591s | cuz it's too scruffy and we're all busy |
| 1592s | stressing about comp but we have a we |
| 1595s | have a stone spirit design |
| 1597s | he is currently looking into |
| 1599s | analytics data on what the sources of |
| 1601s | stone spirits are particularly the least |
| 1603s | valuable ones we're trying to see if we |
| 1605s | can analyze concrete patterns from the |
| 1607s | data and see where they're coming from |
| 1608s | it might be that we can make some simple |
| 1610s | fixes to some drop tables to just like |
| 1611s | if we say there's one drop table which |
| 1613s | is dropping the vast majority of the |
| 1615s | least on field stone spare we can just |
| 1616s | fix that but we also have a bunch more |
| 1618s | fixes that we can make which are more |
| 1619s | time-consuming so we want to make Stokes |
| 1622s | but it's more convenient to use one of |
| 1625s | the ideas we proposed was that date that |
| 1628s | when the stone spirit is used he Auto |
| 1631s | sends the author the bank rather than |
| 1633s | using upper Porter because at the moment |
| 1635s | when you use stones rates it sort of |
| 1636s | doesn't work because you're using twice |
| 1637s | as many Porter's doesn't work twice as |
| 1641s | fast not used with the stone spirits you |
| 1646s | only use one charge we send to to bank |
| 1648s | it doesn't get used and it still feels |
| 1650s | like your thing twice as fast they were |
| 1654s | just all automatically get water I mean |
| 1656s | yeah at winix absolutely all box cost |
| 1659s | 120 billion at the moment if you use |
| 1661s | stone spirits you can only stay at the |
| 1662s | site for for half as long I will change |
| 1665s | that so that you can start that so make |
| 1666s | the time so it really is doable I mean |
| 1668s | if we look at just from what I've seen |
| 1670s | the stone spirits come into game I mean |
| 1672s | if we look at you mentioned by changing |
| 1674s | drop tables I mean we did do that yeah |
| 1677s | we did so what what we're going to do is |
| 1678s | look at the decks of the book the first |
| 1680s | time around we sort of took community |
| 1681s | sentiment which are the problematic |
| 1682s | bosses which ones in most fixing how to |
| 1684s | look at changing some of those and now |
| 1686s | we need to look back at the prices |
| 1688s | because there's a lot of misinformation |
| 1689s | floating around as well about everyone |
| 1691s | saying everything is worth 1 GP but |
| 1692s | that's not true |
| 1693s | so more tokens looking at data basically |
| 1695s | I have I'm trying to work out what the |
| 1696s | actual situation is and whether there |
| 1697s | are some simple fixes but then also some |
| 1699s | more complex fixes awesome all right I |
| 1702s | think well let's do it can we can I get |
| 1705s | you two guys on the couch come join us |
| 1707s | so when I get the our team to come on by |
| 1711s | yeah I mean well let's have a look we |
| 1712s | have a Reeves Pat now appearing in yak |
| 1714s | island along with the magic happens |
| 1715s | doesn't one stay away context if you |
| 1717s | don't know what yak island is it's a |
| 1719s | place where your familiars have sent |
| 1720s | when they are sent away so if you go to |
| 1722s | a dad's workshop for example it is sense |
| 1725s | when your familiars are hidden they're |
| 1727s | sent to yak Island and at the moment |
| 1729s | you'd agree there's a reef at the cap |
| 1731s | that |
| 1731s | and there's many more underneath that I |
| 1732s | imagine I have you guys look awesome |
| 1736s | alright let's do this so whatever do we |
| 1739s | have on my right metallic and lead |
| 1742s | character item rescate mod bikini I said |
| 1745s | [Laughter] |
| 1747s | so you both seem involved in the comp |
| 1751s | paperwork problem at stu the art stuff |
| 1755s | so yeah I've been interesting to try and |
| 1758s | get our heads around it but yeah |
| 1759s | thankfully element modeling them so good |
| 1762s | for ya yeah I mean there's been a fair |
| 1764s | amount of collaboration between these |
| 1765s | guys and the concept artists and sort of |
| 1770s | making sure the designs are going to |
| 1772s | work technically from a modeling point |
| 1774s | of view as well so so I got we have a |
| 1776s | quirky throat all right so I mean |
| 1779s | reducer we just jump into us is it works |
| 1783s | just nothing what we're gonna do with |
| 1784s | these right so we're gonna we're gonna |
| 1788s | show off the capes are they and then |
| 1790s | it's exciting over the next however |
| 1792s | whatever period of time we're going |
| 1794s | we're gonna take feedback from players |
| 1796s | and then once we have that feedback |
| 1798s | we'll implement that into the concepts |
| 1800s | and then we're going to pull the final |
| 1803s | concepts mm-hmm so there'll be an |
| 1805s | in-game poll we're gonna show off to |
| 1807s | tier 1 variations so there's free |
| 1808s | variations of each tier 1 Cape apart |
| 1811s | from the Lower Cape which is tear-free |
| 1812s | they're gonna be free variations of that |
| 1814s | as well and we'll end up pulling them so |
| 1817s | you can choose a B or C whichever is |
| 1819s | your favorite so quick TL yeah a TL DW |
| 1822s | sorry for Rubik remember will do this |
| 1824s | but anyway so straight up we show today |
| 1828s | what we go yep we can the feedback we |
| 1830s | put in any feedback that we need to |
| 1831s | address if needs be |
| 1832s | yeah and then when we're happy we'll |
| 1834s | pull options will the players decide and |
| 1836s | go from there yep all right let's do it |
| 1838s | all right let's bring this up probably |
| 1839s | off first so we'll have to do every go |
| 1842s | we have skilling capes so I'm trying to |
| 1843s | take us through this yeah yeah sure yeah |
| 1846s | basically I took inspiration first of |
| 1850s | all it was inspired by the max scale |
| 1852s | because that was the task and I took |
| 1856s | inspiration from the basically the |
| 1858s | butterfly's wings or peak of feathers |
| 1861s | and just try to find out |
| 1865s | balance between fabric and trimmings to |
| 1869s | give up no raiga look to the killing |
| 1873s | capes and these are supposed to be the |
| 1875s | tier one of them so this is tier one |
| 1878s | kill each other okay doctor yeah I'll |
| 1881s | let us know whenever you want to go in |
| 1883s | tonight yeah yeah the next one is just a |
| 1885s | better rendering of them and yeah keep |
| 1891s | my moment to spam the chat so yeah it |
| 1897s | was a very tricky task because you know |
| 1901s | the players are very nostalgic and also |
| 1905s | the teams have different opinion them so |
| 1909s | I had to take many many and go through |
| 1914s | many many iterations to to have our you |
| 1917s | know these these options basically so |
| 1919s | yeah I mean I mean I mean you have to |
| 1923s | incorporate of course the legacy feel in |
| 1925s | regards to how players to perceive their |
| 1927s | observations of the original design plus |
| 1930s | the many different opinions of people in |
| 1932s | the office exactly |
| 1934s | yeah I always have a look and ready to |
| 1937s | Twitter about the players what they |
| 1940s | think about I even asked my friend of |
| 1945s | mine because he is a risque player what |
| 1948s | he even thinking about so if you wanted |
| 1951s | something that could match his gear or |
| 1955s | if he wants something that you know |
| 1957s | stands out and the answer was that it |
| 1961s | just goes around just naked with the |
| 1965s | boots and so completely helpless so we |
| 1971s | have so we have a fair amount of images |
| 1974s | to go through so I mean forget about |
| 1975s | image number three oh boy here we go |
| 1979s | exactly so they are they have you know |
| 1983s | feral elements and but also I wanted to |
| 1988s | put their some some ornaments to have up |
| 1993s | you know a regular look to them so |
| 1996s | there's a |
| 1998s | basically and yeah I wanted wanted them |
| 2003s | to be bulky it very with a lot of fur a |
| 2008s | lot of leather yeah |
| 2010s | with the next image probably you can |
| 2014s | understand better yeah yeah basically |
| 2021s | yeah it's very different concepts from |
| 2025s | the previous realm with from the |
| 2028s | skilling cave and and so yeah they have |
| 2034s | a very very different direction but I |
| 2036s | think this one was easier in some ways |
| 2039s | just because the the concept behind it |
| 2041s | was easier to understand so yeah so |
| 2045s | let's go to the next one |
| 2047s | yeah yeah so this one so this is the |
| 2051s | third tier of the lower cave right so I |
| 2056s | tried you start cutting up in this is |
| 2059s | good so what I've noticed from the chat |
| 2061s | and see this I've just been looking at |
| 2062s | something you guys have been giving your |
| 2064s | opinions on the combatants killing cave |
| 2066s | and remember those are Tier one so if |
| 2069s | some of you don't like it that's a good |
| 2070s | thing because we've just showing you the |
| 2071s | first tier free and you guys love it |
| 2073s | so I think we're I think what kind of |
| 2075s | matter feeling they're the right fit |
| 2077s | here anyway sorry didn't jump in there |
| 2078s | yeah so basically I try to interpretate |
| 2085s | the the previous tears of the Lower Cape |
| 2089s | trying to find the elements that I |
| 2091s | wanted to keep because well those ones |
| 2095s | are very very old and they have just you |
| 2098s | know those stickers on them and they |
| 2101s | look awful I'm sorry about the look and |
| 2105s | so I try to use the the symbol and use |
| 2110s | that as a as an inspiration for all the |
| 2113s | the trimmings and the patterns inside |
| 2116s | and even this one after many iterations |
| 2121s | finally found at least these three |
| 2123s | options for now so yeah once on our |
| 2128s | model yeah but rendering |
| 2131s | so this is assuming quest Cape is Tier |
| 2133s | one and mastic whiskey yeah yeah this is |
| 2135s | the tear-free one this comes above |
| 2136s | requested master yeah yeah exactly yeah |
| 2140s | of course |
| 2142s | visual effects not some like you |
| 2148s | expected and yeah come come come |
| 2154s | so these are all tier 1 this dossier one |
| 2156s | yeah yeah so basically the come ship is |
| 2159s | a mix of everything I try to incorporate |
| 2163s | everything basically inside giving a |
| 2166s | hint of the Lord what price point or key |
| 2171s | I don't know how to call it but yeah |
| 2173s | that the symbol inside and with a lot of |
| 2178s | layering and many different materials |
| 2181s | inside and so yeah hey if you see the in |
| 2188s | the next image you can understand it a |
| 2191s | bit better so different layers and yeah |
| 2197s | it's they are big chunky yeah yeah we |
| 2200s | wanted that so while I'm picking up from |
| 2203s | the choice they don't seem to like brown |
| 2204s | very much feedback from this yeah while |
| 2212s | we're doing a company is meant to be |
| 2215s | recoverable of course so if you go ahead |
| 2218s | just that yes |
| 2222s | so these are so I did not buy always our |
| 2224s | room sort of displaying just the areas |
| 2227s | that you can recolor I know you guys |
| 2229s | kind of like this color anyway right |
| 2237s | what these are indicated fields to say |
| 2239s | you can recover looks like until you've |
| 2242s | done for Kate hours yeah so this has |
| 2246s | been burning my retinas these are just |
| 2250s | like templates showing the so basically |
| 2252s | you get the four areas of recolor so |
| 2256s | this shows the areas that can recolor |
| 2259s | walk across all the different types of |
| 2261s | capes how many choices of color they'll |
| 2263s | be for each area |
| 2265s | there's just the one so you'll have four |
| 2268s | retailers in total but then that that |
| 2272s | that opens up to the players and they |
| 2274s | can choose all the the existing yes |
| 2276s | exactly Yale so that gives you an idea |
| 2280s | of like the the flexibility of the areas |
| 2282s | of the designs that you can change for |
| 2284s | yourself cool yeah some color Wow okay |
| 2291s | yeah and so what are just accessible is |
| 2294s | there any reason for these colors oh |
| 2296s | we're just playing around and seeing |
| 2297s | what you could do oh well I like them I |
| 2301s | tried different combinations that that's |
| 2304s | it and yeah so just some illustrations |
| 2308s | of what you could do yeah exactly |
| 2310s | yeah recoloring area is still gonna have |
| 2312s | the power calls of bomb the wipeout |
| 2315s | course |
| 2315s | what if you oh okay oh my god okay yep |
| 2320s | I'm home yeah so we are trying what we |
| 2326s | are still trying to understand what we |
| 2328s | can do with the visual effects but we |
| 2330s | are trying to push the visual effects |
| 2333s | very further so yeah these are just |
| 2337s | examples how we want to treat the the |
| 2340s | tea revolution right it looks incredible |
| 2344s | that that effect is amazing so we have |
| 2349s | just clarify skill in far right is |
| 2351s | combat presumably I mean always |
| 2353s | commoners comp you awesome so this is |
| 2354s | the example yet everything we haven't we |
| 2356s | haven't yet got this working in game |
| 2358s | yeah safe to say the worst we can do is |
| 2360s | the current particles right so we can |
| 2365s | worst it'll be exactly the same yeah we |
| 2368s | can do a lot we've animated textures and |
| 2370s | things as well so we have static sperm I |
| 2372s | mean I don't know my capes will be |
| 2374s | brought out in 2017 you know I want to |
| 2375s | say where we have the skulls coming down |
| 2377s | the Cape I'm in essence yes that's all |
| 2378s | thing yeah yeah exciting I'm hyped to |
| 2381s | see what you guys are gonna do it's |
| 2382s | awesome |
| 2383s | yeah it's face yeah sorry to butt in but |
| 2386s | it's worth thinking that this is just an |
| 2388s | example of what tier 2 and tier 4 you |
| 2390s | might look like okay where there will be |
| 2392s | small upgrades from tier 1 obviously |
| 2393s | then like all of these particles aren't |
| 2396s | tight to the cake specifically they can |
| 2398s | transfer it across the other capes I |
| 2399s | what I mean by that is the examples you |
| 2402s | see today you're reacting because my |
| 2403s | react we don't know what's on each cape |
| 2407s | yes basically that's that's that's just |
| 2409s | an example so where people are in favor |
| 2411s | for combat cape a B or C the particle |
| 2414s | itself can be we can do it ourselves |
| 2418s | wouldn't when you know like if people |
| 2419s | finally vote for combat KP this might be |
| 2422s | why honestly said I've never in the |
| 2424s | three years I've done that streaming in |
| 2426s | on the runescape channel I've never seen |
| 2428s | the chat flip 180 years its flipped |
| 2437s | amazing because we kind of brought up a |
| 2439s | bring this a it took blood sweat we we |
| 2450s | still show right yeah yeah that's the |
| 2458s | the surprise recipe why everything is |
| 2460s | recoverable so all capes |
| 2463s | yes Killian combine everything to be |
| 2465s | with everything oh my god yeah nice so |
| 2469s | we are working very hard to to obtain |
| 2471s | that yeah yeah we should also reiterate |
| 2473s | that if you don't like any of this the |
| 2476s | old capes will still be obtainable yes |
| 2478s | so as in the comp the trend the trend |
| 2480s | calm will still be obtainable in-game as |
| 2484s | legacy items with the old requirements |
| 2486s | and they won't change yeah and this is |
| 2489s | the yeah so you can still wear that if |
| 2492s | you want to yeah if you if you you can |
| 2494s | get max post poetry work you can get |
| 2496s | caught a legacy comp and legacy trim |
| 2498s | plus rework you can get quest cape as |
| 2500s | part of tier 1 lore you can get Master |
| 2502s | Quest Cape as part of tier 2 lore and |
| 2503s | then tear free law which we've shown up |
| 2505s | here is actually recordable now I'm |
| 2507s | actually glad they are allowing us to |
| 2509s | get them absolutely right obviously we |
| 2511s | we want the new capes to be good we want |
| 2513s | the new capes piece of people something |
| 2514s | but some people prefer the older version |
| 2516s | just because it's the older version |
| 2518s | rather than because of the weight |
| 2520s | specific way it looks I'm so sorry but |
| 2522s | when these capes come out I'm gonna |
| 2523s | choose the most ridiculous color scheme |
| 2524s | to ever go with my pattern also yeah I'm |
| 2528s | so sorry for that |
| 2529s | incredible Oh so I propose to create |
| 2532s | just a bad taste meter inside the game |
| 2535s | so at the end of the scale I feel is |
| 2543s | there's a much show well there's so yes |
| 2548s | so I mean the same again really these |
| 2550s | are the templates to show you what can |
| 2553s | be recolor wall for the skinning capes |
| 2556s | again like the we can kind of play |
| 2558s | around these a bit but these are the the |
| 2561s | again not final colors but just showing |
| 2563s | you the areas that we're playing with |
| 2565s | that will be you can even kind of |
| 2567s | customize for yourself so so yeah the |
| 2571s | colors indicate that you each different |
| 2573s | HSL fielder you can put him right the |
| 2575s | green bit I can put in blue and only the |
| 2577s | green then becomes blue I think that's |
| 2579s | what you I mean there's a lot of |
| 2581s | customizations to do that it's well type |
| 2583s | it's very exciting to say the very least |
| 2585s | so yeah I mean it's pretty awesome to |
| 2588s | seeing it all come together as well it's |
| 2589s | very exciting obviously on the combat as |
| 2592s | well yeah yes I mean on the combat came |
| 2595s | especially and with some of the others |
| 2598s | we we wanted to have an area where we |
| 2600s | could go to town on the detail with the |
| 2602s | texturing and stuff but still have like |
| 2604s | the kind of big areas for customization |
| 2606s | and recolors because yeah because |
| 2609s | recoloring messes with the texturing |
| 2611s | right that's right so so so we can have |
| 2614s | like fairly simple texturing on recolor |
| 2617s | upper areas but it ultimately it kind of |
| 2618s | starts to mess with the colors that |
| 2620s | you've chosen so it's not staying |
| 2623s | faithful to you know the color that you |
| 2624s | want kind of thing so we have to be |
| 2625s | fairly careful in just allowing recolors |
| 2629s | in kind of more simplistic areas for |
| 2631s | like like big fabric areas and things |
| 2632s | like that so whereas like this kind of |
| 2635s | shoulder mounts and stuff we can we can |
| 2637s | kind of safely say like a things like |
| 2640s | metal and stuff maybe we choose maybe we |
| 2642s | don't want to recount color those areas |
| 2644s | as much skulls and things to us it makes |
| 2647s | sense that you don't recover those and |
| 2648s | keep those as you know like white skulls |
| 2650s | and things so so we just kind of keep it |
| 2652s | to the more fabric some gems and bits |
| 2654s | and pieces my sculpt beef rice and green |
| 2661s | [Laughter] |
| 2664s | very this is the fascinating one for me |
| 2668s | because we all know law inference |
| 2670s | automatically is that blue color the |
| 2672s | blue cyan misc |
| 2673s | color seeing the variations that are |
| 2676s | going to come out of the law cape is |
| 2678s | going to be very interesting but I think |
| 2680s | a little scary at the same time so |
| 2681s | seeing the color variation is going to |
| 2683s | be pretty crazy so hi yeah looking |
| 2685s | forward to it and again just to |
| 2687s | reiterate for people who may not have |
| 2689s | realized those colors are not the actual |
| 2692s | colors to distinguish their custom |
| 2695s | colors they you yourself can put in I |
| 2697s | cannot make that clear enough yeah and |
| 2699s | yeah man that's high honestly that is so |
| 2705s | excited I'd be rocking the bottom right |
| 2707s | cape I'll tell you that much look at |
| 2708s | those colors orange anyone but yeah we |
| 2714s | we really sort welcome any feedback and |
| 2716s | stuff so we're kind of still in |
| 2717s | development with this so we kind of want |
| 2719s | to hear ideas obviously there's loes |
| 2720s | going right now so yeah well we'll see |
| 2723s | tighten board we're gonna so we're gonna |
| 2726s | take feedback on the designs yeah tweak |
| 2728s | the designs then Paul with his eyes yeah |
| 2730s | yeah so they will go to a poll or poll |
| 2732s | for each category so have you which |
| 2733s | combat code you want yeah you want which |
| 2736s | Cape see like like the most out of them |
| 2737s | okay Elstein and for the people in |
| 2740s | challenge well how are they supposed to |
| 2741s | answer that will just be as well let's |
| 2744s | go in number order top left this one |
| 2745s | bottom right is whatever the last number |
| 2747s | is up all of them hassle seems too |
| 2751s | complicated |
| 2752s | well just choose one the via the second |
| 2763s | second from the left and the middle row |
| 2766s | that one a little bit but honestly I |
| 2770s | think it's crazy how much variation you |
| 2773s | can get out of Cape when it can be |
| 2774s | recolored like when you put up the base |
| 2777s | design it's like air because you're |
| 2779s | locked to that color I have to for |
| 2781s | matically design my offeree ones color |
| 2782s | but when you have a recolor you can then |
| 2784s | go around it however you want |
| 2785s | you're right sure it's crazy you try |
| 2786s | making it it's great yeah |
| 2789s | so actually while we've got the time how |
| 2791s | do you get into making now how do you |
| 2793s | make that idea what to give us a little |
| 2794s | insight into that so with our current |
| 2797s | soar tech with the recolor where is we |
| 2799s | actually have to kind of poly model each |
| 2802s | area and so that kind of relies on the |
| 2806s | poly color rather than a textured color |
| 2808s | as such so that's why we have to keep |
| 2811s | the big recolor where is very relatively |
| 2814s | kind of basic and we have to think in |
| 2817s | terms of like poly counts how how many |
| 2819s | bits of geometry we have because the |
| 2823s | more is obviously more expensive for the |
| 2825s | game so we have kind of caps on those so |
| 2828s | that's where we have to go back when the |
| 2830s | fault of the design and make sure it's |
| 2831s | working with those kind of limits as |
| 2833s | well so but with these we we we kind of |
| 2837s | start with a template and then we've got |
| 2840s | a couple of extra models that we add on |
| 2842s | top to change the silhouette and stuff |
| 2843s | and we'll go for take the history like a |
| 2846s | sculpting pass which is like a high |
| 2848s | detail version and then create the |
| 2851s | texture from that so I'm going a bit - |
| 2853s | that's fine we have time and I was just |
| 2856s | generally fascinating then how it goes |
| 2857s | into it so it's awesome it's impossible |
| 2860s | to just go enough questions for the chat |
| 2862s | now it's possible to allow us to |
| 2864s | customize the colors in RGB instead of |
| 2866s | HSL I don't know if anybody on this |
| 2870s | couch can I mean it'd be a question for |
| 2871s | upstairs |
| 2871s | I am magining yeah I think yeah |
| 2875s | currently we plugged into the HSL system |
| 2877s | so the Newseum is maksakov these capes |
| 2880s | will basically use the exact same system |
| 2881s | the same interface as Max and compa I'm |
| 2884s | confused right now |
| 2886s | if we can change that to RGB or not I |
| 2889s | have no idea I think the - you can just |
| 2891s | convert between the two thank you as I |
| 2893s | say I'm not I'm not sure like in terms |
| 2895s | of how they recorded the taxi I think |
| 2896s | isn't it anyway |
| 2905s | is it possible I'm gonna read this quite |
| 2908s | otherwise been put eggs it's quite |
| 2909s | hilarious question but can you recover |
| 2910s | the Cape of dyes I don't know why |
| 2912s | someone's asked that question of what is |
| 2913s | it in the body of I mean dad limit you |
| 2915s | [Laughter] |
| 2919s | what's the plan for Cape emotes |
| 2923s | I think we don't we don't we don't have |
| 2927s | time to do it yeah I think so they're |
| 2929s | really expensive and yeah but there's |
| 2931s | there's a lot of mitad with animes yeah |
| 2932s | there's a lot to animate with the emotes |
| 2934s | and we don't have that time right now to |
| 2937s | put in what's on them yeah I think a |
| 2939s | promoter one of the worst like return on |
| 2942s | investments we have like oh that's cool |
| 2945s | yeah when it comes out like oh that's |
| 2947s | cool |
| 2947s | and then yeah I think I get my skill |
| 2949s | like when I got my con cape I use the |
| 2951s | once and never seen it again |
| 2953s | is it possible to recover particles |
| 2957s | that's we asked recently we asked |
| 2960s | attacked him |
| 2961s | well mod mod mod doctor asked if it was |
| 2964s | possible and the tech team said we can |
| 2968s | it's low priority but if you're |
| 2971s | requesting it we can get to it so what |
| 2973s | so maybe in practice that's probably a |
| 2975s | no before we say yeah I mean they've got |
| 2977s | mobile and stuff it was like they've |
| 2980s | they're currently on mobile there's a |
| 2982s | few things for it that they're doing so |
| 2983s | I don't know if we call particle we |
| 2986s | would also like to take the particle |
| 2988s | system further than where it currently |
| 2989s | is so that's like a whole different |
| 2991s | level of rework there so we we kind of |
| 2994s | like to invest the time into that rather |
| 2996s | than reworking what we can't have which |
| 2998s | is very limiting so it's all it's all |
| 3002s | what's the high priority there's a |
| 3005s | possible to toggle particles between |
| 3006s | capes as in how particles from one cape |
| 3008s | and put it on another I don't think so |
| 3011s | but I think so no we kind of it has to |
| 3014s | be a separate idea separate more yeah |
| 3017s | all of different variations yeah we |
| 3020s | found I mean so you've got the the |
| 3022s | recolors and we kind of wanted to be |
| 3024s | able to keep the that kind of identity |
| 3027s | to certain capes otherwise we kind of |
| 3029s | everything's just gonna really feel a |
| 3032s | bit of a mishmash I think yeah so we do |
| 3034s | want to kind of keep some sort of |
| 3036s | identity to each each kind of each cape |
| 3038s | as much as we can cool is the ability to |
| 3043s | empower goes off on the cape if you have |
| 3044s | them that's always that possible that's |
| 3047s | why yes or no question really it would |
| 3049s | be a separate cape don't agree I think |
| 3051s | yeah yeah would because you've done it |
| 3053s | without the the trail right |
| 3056s | I think it's theoretically possible it |
| 3057s | doesn't mean it's a good idea if that |
| 3059s | make sense extra time to did convicts |
| 3061s | not just not just the time but also yeah |
| 3063s | just the conflict right yeah we kind of |
| 3065s | think if that's the main thing that's |
| 3067s | going to differentiate them between the |
| 3069s | the upper and the lower versions so I'm |
| 3072s | not sure why one that but you right |
| 3073s | thank you a tier 3 KB look like a tier 1 |
| 3075s | game yeah yeah I mean that's no sir just |
| 3079s | if so this isn't finally decided but if |
| 3081s | it's 2:1 no particles tier two particles |
| 3083s | tier three super fancy particles then |
| 3085s | yes you can turn off your particles by |
| 3086s | just electing to wear the tier 1 instead |
| 3088s | would the max cape is the max cape just |
| 3092s | staying as this with this update yeah |
| 3094s | yeah we're not we're not we in an |
| 3096s | earlier version of design it was the |
| 3098s | skills to one cape and we changed that |
| 3100s | so max cape is just his own thing yeah |
| 3102s | we got we got feedback not to change |
| 3104s | those or remove those so which is why |
| 3105s | skilling Tier one exists as a separate |
| 3107s | game yeah I mean that's best similar |
| 3108s | conceptually right but they're |
| 3110s | technically separate oh man I feel so |
| 3112s | exciting to finally show you guys you |
| 3115s | know the stuff that capes certain I was |
| 3117s | very there's something quite amazing |
| 3119s | about it to say the very least |
| 3121s | okay so before we wrap up just a couple |
| 3124s | of pins of what I mentioned before we |
| 3125s | end it of course we have the Easter |
| 3128s | event in game right now any thing you |
| 3130s | purchase in-game with your room coins |
| 3133s | and stuff of that will go straight to |
| 3135s | the charities or we're supporting CPS |
| 3136s | our mind and princess trusts so please |
| 3139s | do if you have no best spare money to do |
| 3142s | that because there are amazing charities |
| 3144s | and you know they've been it's amazing |
| 3147s | to support them to say the very least so |
| 3148s | I pretty awesome and apart from that |
| 3151s | we're gonna end it on a video back in |
| 3154s | 2007 Christmas 2017 runescape had the |
| 3158s | opportunity to have its main theme as in |
| 3161s | the vlog infamy here composed by a BAFTA |
| 3164s | award-winning composer which is James |
| 3167s | Hannigan and this was recorded with the |
| 3169s | film harmonica orchestra words at the |
| 3174s | Philharmonic yes it's so harmonica so |
| 3180s | close |
| 3183s | of numbed I can't say it anyway it's and |
| 3191s | whoever's up the pcs upstairs bolding |
| 3193s | the word on my on my I'd pile appreciate |
| 3197s | being bolded in real time ago anyway so |
| 3203s | yeah it was an amazing experience and |
| 3204s | there we finally had the opportunity to |
| 3206s | upload this video and it's an absolutely |
| 3208s | amazing one so we're gonna play this |
| 3210s | video to wrap up apart from that please |
| 3212s | please please keep giving us your |
| 3214s | feedback to the cupcake rework we've had |
| 3216s | the designs being shown today as a |
| 3218s | reminder we'll be looking at your |
| 3219s | feedback from the design through a shown |
| 3221s | refining them I've shown them again and |
| 3223s | then putting them out to you to vote on |
| 3225s | and that will decide what we go with for |
| 3227s | the update so it's very exciting there's |
| 3229s | a lot going on and we're gonna get ready |
| 3231s | to end the stream before I get after |
| 3232s | anymore so yes enjoy the video and as |
| 3235s | always take care and have a good one |
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