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0s | hello everyone welcome welcome welcome |
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2s | we are live for our general based Q&A |
5s | here on a twitch channel I do apologize |
8s | a little bit I feel a little bit off at |
10s | the moment so hopefully it doesn't deter |
12s | from the flow of in so to speak but as |
14s | always to get friends into it we |
17s | actually I haven't stream on the same |
18s | day we have a game update which is weird |
20s | because obviously to Tuesday and due to |
22s | the Easter long weekend we had a game up |
26s | to go live today |
27s | I'm afraid over to more porky to my left |
31s | because he I imagine he wants talk about |
32s | a little bit what's in this game up to |
33s | it yes we actually had stroopwafels this |
36s | week very proud of those of course why |
39s | are you proud of them people just as |
41s | well let's introduce you properly first |
42s | of all so more pokey you work in I'm on |
45s | are three of course Community Managers |
47s | so I always sit next to you sir yes and |
49s | I'm Dutch |
50s | so I have a special relationship with |
53s | this this week's update it was very |
56s | laughs phrase before a special |
58s | relationship with an update like the |
60s | Netherlands best and only export yes yes |
70s | we've got the beautiful stroopwafels |
72s | this week can you still get credit for |
74s | no limit I'm not sure you can |
75s | oh now we've got like David Wetzel no |
79s | it's not I don't know we've got our min |
82s | from viewer but that like it stick to |
84s | that wasn't I will what argue all that |
86s | off-camera about that but yes true pubs |
89s | are a beautiful Dutch delicacy and they |
93s | like to thin wafers nested way much |
95s | Shogun described so have some caramel in |
97s | between or if you're like him you can |
99s | also pick banana in between and you can |
101s | potentially get a banana strict waffle |
102s | and so yeah that's true quartz so a |
105s | couple things that we'll get into in |
107s | just a few moments but of course we had |
109s | probable Vic go out we have a disco |
111s | channel that we've reopened for you to |
114s | get involved in discussions on |
116s | Popovic which is disgorge easy /rs when |
119s | you're in the server or you can click |
121s | the link in the news post which will |
122s | take you right there am I right saying |
123s | that yes cool so you can get discussing |
128s | that as well tomorrow right of course |
129s | have more Jack who is on stream to |
132s | follow up with how |
134s | last week I went in regards to feedback |
136s | on company yes so you know we we've had |
140s | the stream we had the 180 reaction in |
143s | regards to weight so I mean we're here |
148s | to clarify tall fins and first of all |
149s | how was the feedback from the stream is |
151s | there anything that's been taken on |
152s | board from that so there's a couple of |
155s | different there's there's the graphic |
156s | stuff and then there's also the like the |
160s | mechanics in the requirements are the |
161s | graphic stuff like the cake design ever |
163s | keeps himself so the feedback that we |
165s | took on the capes which has started to |
167s | be implemented is over overall people |
171s | wanted the capes to be simpler that was |
172s | very consistent across all the feedback |
174s | that we saw that a lot of people felt |
176s | they were by too busy so not only are we |
180s | going to be simplifying them in general |
182s | but we're also going to make sure that |
183s | when they're polled there's going to be |
185s | at least one planar design whereas if |
187s | you look at the three designs that we |
189s | showed last time for each for each of |
190s | the three designs they were a similar |
191s | level of busyness so if your feedback or |
194s | if your opinion was that you wanted a |
196s | less busy cake you couldn't vote that in |
198s | the poll because there were three |
198s | equally busy capes so gonna make sure at |
200s | least one of them is less busy so this |
202s | is referring to the poll that we want to |
203s | put out in the piece we're gonna we're |
204s | gonna pull the appearances for the |
205s | different capes yeah color we're gonna |
207s | so that was that was the most important |
209s | feedback was that people wanted to be |
210s | able to choose a simpler design that |
212s | might be that if we pull a busy one and |
214s | a simple one the busy one wins but at |
215s | least you will have been able to vote |
217s | for the one that you prefer so that |
220s | they're looking at redoing some of the |
222s | graphics for the moment |
224s | the the other thing we're telling we |
227s | anticipated is that the just the general |
232s | problem of a combat requirements that we |
233s | talked about on the stream has of |
235s | controversy and as a difficult thing for |
236s | us has continued to just be it dominates |
239s | the chat on the discord it's it's more |
241s | or less like 90 percent of the |
242s | discussion is people arguing about |
244s | whether or not Reaper or Talos or grid |
246s | bosses should be on the cake a lot of |
250s | people to send me messages specifically |
252s | saying please don't lump |
254s | group combat and difficult combat |
257s | together |
257s | why don't we define as difficult combat |
259s | so difficult combat would be something |
260s | like tell us okay that group combat |
262s | would be something like of a raga okay |
265s | like group comm something where now |
268s | then we had to be able discussion about |
269s | this and there are the interesting |
270s | interesting how these points come up |
273s | that it's not just group content it's |
275s | not even forced group content because |
277s | cosmos is forced group content of a sort |
279s | the reason that's the reason that |
281s | bossing group content stands out and on |
284s | re4 in particular is the combination of |
287s | it being difficult and group especially |
290s | if it's small group so they're there |
295s | they're the problem is very specifically |
296s | it's not only do you want to play with |
299s | other players at all but you have to |
301s | play with very specific players |
302s | you can't just shield over a bit to get |
304s | any old random person and go do it any |
306s | qualified people you need you need you |
307s | need to be yeah you need to be good |
309s | enough and that you need to be good |
311s | enough which makes it particularly |
312s | difficult so yeah I want to just want to |
314s | say we're not we're not assuming that |
316s | those are the same thing so I talked |
320s | last week about wanting to find a |
321s | compromise solution that we've got |
322s | effectively two different audiences an |
324s | audience of well you can talk about it |
329s | as completion ism but it's about doing a |
331s | lot of content that's what comp Cape is |
333s | always stood for in the past is there's |
334s | a lot to do and I'm gonna do all of it |
336s | I'm gonna grow my skills that's ninety |
337s | nine or 120 or it in two hundred million |
339s | you've got that sort of attitude to the |
341s | game I'm just gonna grind grind grind |
342s | and then at the other half you've got |
344s | weariness Cape has a genuine challenging |
347s | combat endgame now there is content |
349s | there which is which only you know |
351s | fifteen people so that seventeen people |
353s | can do you know we have things in the |
355s | game there's a default K oh yeah and how |
358s | those two different concepts interact |
360s | with the idea of comp which stands for |
362s | completion ISM and lots of people are |
364s | quote dictionary definitions over the |
367s | last few months so so the solution that |
370s | we've got for that which we saw we do we |
374s | chatted about a couple of weeks ago with |
376s | a few players to see just whether it |
378s | made sense to them is is we want to |
381s | effectively separate out those two |
383s | things so it sounds complicated it's not |
387s | as complicated as it sounds so we take |
388s | the so we have the combat Cape so in the |
390s | current design we have a combat captures |
391s | three tiers tier 1 tier 2 tier 3 combat |
393s | Cape not final name but those are sort |
396s | of baseline completion ISM do everything |
398s | and then do super hard stuff |
399s | and everyone logically expect things |
402s | like tell us things like saw like to be |
403s | on those capes but then that's the very |
406s | people that other people tell me the |
407s | very point of the rework is to get those |
408s | things off those capes so our solution |
410s | is we implement what are not beating |
415s | around the bush |
415s | easier versions of those capes so we |
417s | remove from the combat cape specifically |
421s | hard group combat so Virago is gone |
424s | Sollux gone |
425s | hey ideas gone it's one walk I remember |
428s | and possibly also remove extremely hard |
432s | solar content for example tell us we |
435s | undecided on that yeah definitely remove |
436s | the hard group content possibly remove |
438s | the hard solar content so that was |
440s | obviously a huge nerf to the comic it |
442s | makes it much easier to get so that's |
444s | not very good for that's good for the |
447s | audience who don't want to do quite |
448s | difficult comic content but it's bad for |
449s | the audience who want to do challenging |
452s | combat and think that challenging combat |
453s | should be represented and and rewarded |
455s | so then in it for that community we then |
457s | add in effectively a trimmed combat cave |
463s | we're calling the heroic combat so it's |
465s | still the combat cape but it'll look |
467s | different in some way perhaps it's got |
468s | different particles or slightly |
469s | different trim on it or something and |
471s | that one has the full requirement so |
473s | that requires you to do everything so it |
475s | does have salt like it does have tell us |
476s | it does have a OD it may have |
479s | specifically challenging requirements it |
481s | may have tell us to K or tell us for K |
484s | on it or something we need to look at |
485s | what those requirements are but this |
486s | wasn't it's specifically aimed at combat |
488s | players and then the idea would be so |
490s | you can earn comp without doing top-end |
493s | combat but if you also get this heroic |
496s | combat cape do then have a trailing |
498s | progression how do you then have a |
500s | heroic comp cape yeah so you can |
502s | whatever this trim effect is on on the |
504s | combat Cape you can apply that trim to |
506s | your home market that's re to your con |
507s | cape so that it's sort of two types of |
511s | comp Cape sort of a trimmed and |
513s | untrimmed version the comp cave so I |
515s | have comp without difficult combat I |
516s | have comp with difficult combat that's |
518s | that's basically the split so you're |
520s | still able to show off your skills yes |
522s | but you can still you still have a lot |
524s | to work with you if you say look I'm |
525s | never gonna do tell us tell us it's just |
527s | out of my range it's putting me off |
530s | trying to even start doing calm because |
531s | I know I'll never get to tell us then |
533s | you can |
533s | still earn comp you can still do |
535s | everything else on comp and get the |
537s | complicate alright so that's what we're |
540s | that's not a final design but that's |
542s | what we are currently thinking as a as a |
544s | solution to this impossible compromise |
546s | because no one wants a compromise where |
548s | it's like oh well you have did you tell |
550s | us Boni a bit okay so so you on Twitter |
552s | replied a couple people and so we're |
554s | given a new comp okay why not in areas |
556s | and activities code for example areas |
559s | and activities specifically is that the |
563s | primary reason we don't have capes for |
564s | them is just there isn't much room to |
567s | make capes like we're already making the |
569s | our team screen by demanding all these |
570s | new kit and then all the conflicts that |
571s | come with it like the art those capes |
575s | take a surprisingly long time yeah so |
576s | asking for another six capes effectively |
579s | is just almost doubling the real case |
581s | being produced but also just those |
583s | categories exist for an organizational |
585s | purpose like in the current state of the |
588s | game game scaling is a legitimate |
590s | meaningful way to play runescape combat |
592s | is a legitimate meaningful way to play |
594s | runescape questing is a legitimate |
595s | meaningful way to play runescape |
596s | achievement Diaries aren't really that |
599s | they're more a kind of combination of |
600s | other things |
601s | the reason the achievement Diaries exist |
602s | as their own category in the system is |
605s | just because they they they have that |
607s | history and they are defined in that way |
608s | actually almost everything you have to |
610s | do for achievement Diaries fits into one |
611s | of those other three categories really |
612s | so all you know it exists for |
616s | organizational purposes it's not really |
618s | an endgame track in the same way that |
620s | the others are I think I think something |
622s | if I'm wrong but I think it would be |
623s | significantly easier to get than the |
624s | others as well and then the same thing |
627s | is sort of true for mini games as well |
628s | but what we imagine the tier 1 mini game |
630s | Kate being now I think is just do every |
632s | minute you do every mini game once which |
634s | by comparison to complete every quest in |
636s | the game is just not it's not the same |
638s | scale of achievement but it needs to be |
639s | there because it wouldn't be the comp |
641s | Cape if you haven't done any minigames |
642s | at all so it needs to be there but it's |
644s | not a Cape in the same way that the |
645s | others are like defined endgame paths we |
649s | could just lump the two together in two |
650s | misc and then it would be clearer that |
653s | it was just everything that wasn't on |
654s | the three main tracks but I think it's |
656s | just clear to speak up i MN out with me |
659s | games just the thought that's come to my |
660s | head I don't have a plan for that I did |
663s | see I did see someone saying like can |
665s | you at least |
667s | currently be completed iron - incorrect |
668s | they'll come could be unplayable firemen |
670s | what was it so so we have we have we did |
674s | specific tasks require a certain task |
675s | requirements for example as an Ironman |
677s | task which is you need to play a game |
679s | efficient roller now that is impossible |
680s | for Iron Men so we just ticked it off |
682s | for them if they did a certain thing so |
684s | yeah I think it just have to be the same |
686s | approach yeah I mean the thing about |
688s | Iron Man is like it's almost like our |
690s | policy is that we don't change the |
691s | design for I'm them so we come up with |
693s | something that works for the majority of |
694s | the game and then we figure out a way to |
696s | fudge it for I'm and I don't think it |
698s | can be any other way really as soon as |
700s | we start designing things with iron many |
702s | minding purpose on purpose we've almost |
704s | like ruined the integrity of Iron Man at |
706s | that point I that's kind of the point of |
708s | Iron Man is that you play runescape not |
710s | a special Iron Man version of its game |
715s | okay so I don't give me a river okay |
717s | someone come to my Porky when the soca |
719s | lil bit by ninja actually for the people |
720s | in the chat right now while we're doing |
722s | all carrying on with the stream I'll try |
724s | and get to as many questions as I can |
725s | but by all means fire questions related |
727s | to complicate rework in the chat as well |
729s | as the ninja team because we're about to |
730s | go into the ninja team specifics in just |
732s | a second and well that's what we can so |
734s | what well first of all I have we have |
738s | you on the stream in regards to |
739s | represent ninja so join up to everyone |
741s | missed water yes so we've always had the |
744s | ninja team we had them for a while |
745s | already and we had some conversations |
749s | and we thought that if the ninja team |
753s | would work together with community |
756s | management a bit more that we would be |
758s | able to potentially get more benefit out |
759s | of it and that we are able to focus |
761s | better on the high impact fixes and and |
764s | get that communication a lot smoother so |
767s | we've been trying to reposition a ninja |
770s | team slightly different and one of the |
772s | things is that community mention is |
774s | going to work much closer together with |
776s | the ninja team and I'll be the main |
780s | person for that kind of okay so someone |
783s | in the chat said is it really that hard |
784s | to prioritize though so maybe take us |
786s | into how we go from start to finish |
788s | I I think there comes a lot to to when |
791s | you're thinking about a fix so what we |
793s | we still apply the old method you've got |
796s | that so we collect the fixes we put them |
798s | on a spreadsheet and then we |
800s | go over them with the team so we've got |
801s | someone from skilling in there from |
803s | combat from balancing even from law so |
807s | we've got the skilling cancer is present |
809s | in there and then it's like what is |
811s | there any red flecks from any of these |
813s | counts without we shouldn't do it if the |
815s | rest we can least go ahead and then of |
817s | course it's like how many people does it |
818s | impact how long would it take |
820s | potentially are there all the |
824s | departments in vaults do we need |
826s | graphics or all those things and there's |
829s | so many factors involved and eventually |
830s | you're going to be like okay we can do |
832s | this so we can't do this or we know we |
834s | can make this killing players very happy |
837s | with this and we haven't given a nice |
840s | killing update recently so they will be |
842s | very happy with that or you're the way |
845s | around so yes though I would say there's |
846s | a awful lot of things that comment when |
850s | you were thinking about a fix really |
852s | cool while we're at it I want to talk |
856s | about I'll see clan ql2 very quickly so |
859s | I mean I can't I'd wanna take this one |
861s | or shall I it's all yours it's all hunk |
863s | a protein so basically frankly well to |
868s | slay it will release next Monday |
869s | it's gonna go back a week and the reason |
873s | for that is because of long weekend |
875s | we've had it's only gonna have three |
877s | days work worth a test in which is not |
880s | enough for something like clans |
882s | so I've told clan leaders this prior to |
885s | the stream but they'll now tell everyone |
886s | but that will be looking for a release |
888s | on May the 7th which is a Tuesday |
890s | because ever made a bank holiday so |
893s | that's never Tuesday game update as well |
894s | and that is in two weeks |
896s | sorry it's in a week push back a week so |
898s | just wanted to make you aware of that |
901s | one also you know how can players submit |
905s | their ideas for ninja obviously we've |
907s | had posts on disk or bread and so on but |
908s | either ever ways like how are we looking |
910s | out for them so we're kind of looking |
912s | everywhere at the moment so we're |
913s | looking in leader discord Twitter reddit |
915s | with forums even every now and then |
917s | we're looking everywhere I think it also |
921s | comes down to is like and we potentially |
923s | figure out a nice away in tourney and |
925s | and with if you guys like how can we |
927s | find nice fix because we said bent quite |
930s | a little time finding the right fixes |
932s | right now |
934s | so you can even taggers on Twitter |
937s | Macchio see what's Shogun scarcely |
942s | jogging yeah Jagex Shogun gigantic |
944s | spooky feel always free to send us we |
948s | might not respond but we've definitely |
949s | read them do we see ourselves doing |
951s | polls in the future I think it depends |
955s | on on what the content is sometimes like |
959s | there are many fixes that we just know |
961s | like you want them in-game so if we were |
964s | to do a port then it will just take a |
966s | lot longer so in that case I would be |
968s | like probably not worth doing a poor for |
971s | it if we have fixes that half the people |
975s | like half the people don't then it's |
976s | potentially worth doing a poor but what |
980s | we did like we would like to if we were |
982s | going to do a poor week we'd like to |
983s | have about 10-15 fixes I would say that |
986s | we can pour so we get so we need to |
990s | group up and we are collecting them and |
992s | as a result we were keeping those fixes |
995s | and then in Leamington they might |
996s | actually already be done so it's like |
998s | it's not worth keeping them so our group |
1000s | or fixes that we want to put out in app |
1002s | or strings and grows as well so Paul's |
1006s | yes definitely they still belong to as |
1008s | an option no there's still an option but |
1010s | in the foreseeable future and talking |
1013s | about one two months I personally don't |
1015s | expect a ninja Paul okay obviously |
1017s | mentioned the ninja team itself so we |
1018s | want to talk valve the ninja team reject |
1020s | I guess as it is and have a ninja team |
1022s | is right now so if I wanted to get in |
1025s | touch with a ninja Jagex porky jagex |
1027s | Shogun jagex POC is there anyone else |
1029s | who was there anyone else but that's |
1031s | that is a ninja so defense oh the things |
1034s | I don't know the more name of MA Malaya |
1037s | not Malaya there you go |
1038s | yeah so that's the fourth knee to the |
1040s | moment yeah so yeah that it's still the |
1044s | same team I would say right yeah so no |
1049s | that was not just whether a new shell |
1051s | gun who's made the move from us so we've |
1054s | got like a very experienced person on |
1056s | the team though very passionate is about |
1058s | it's great to see about well Shogun I |
1060s | would say also okay I'm gonna come back |
1062s | over to my Jack while we gather |
1064s | questions for ninja |
1066s | I've seen you writing stuff down says |
1067s | anything you want to go off yeah there's |
1070s | a question that keeps getting asked |
1071s | which I don't agree with the phrasing |
1072s | off but it's a fair question otherwise |
1073s | which is why are you paying so much |
1075s | effort to cater to players you can't be |
1077s | bothered to complete the content now I |
1078s | talked about this in quite a lot of |
1079s | detail last week but I keep getting |
1082s | asked it so I think it bears repeating |
1084s | the really simple answer that question |
1087s | is because there's more of them than |
1089s | there are of you and like we create |
1092s | content for players kompy's content |
1094s | copies content for players that's not to |
1097s | say that only they get listened to |
1099s | but content needs to work for different |
1104s | players and so the whole point of having |
1105s | like an exclusive and a non-exclusive |
1107s | version why do I just explained is then |
1110s | the exclusive version is for the Erie |
1111s | players and I'm only exclusive version |
1113s | is for the nominee players and that way |
1114s | everyone is happy and that's great use |
1116s | of development time like making lots of |
1118s | players happy is great use of |
1119s | development time so actually it's much |
1122s | more like we're catering to the elite |
1124s | we're saying comp is for a larger number |
1127s | of players but because that isn't |
1129s | suitable content for elite players |
1131s | because it's too easy we're going to |
1134s | create special special niche content for |
1136s | a much smaller audience and we're going |
1138s | to put extra development time into that |
1140s | so I would praise it though they're out |
1141s | we are we are specifically putting |
1142s | putting effort into players who who do |
1145s | want to put the app in do we feel like |
1148s | everyone needs comp though based on if |
1150s | I'm understanding the nor is in not |
1152s | everyone not everyone can or will get |
1154s | combat that's not the issue the question |
1156s | is do we want to restrict it to 17 |
1157s | people I'm not people 17 people have the |
1161s | hardest requirement but those 17 people |
1163s | there's a different hard requirement or |
1164s | a different potential hard requirement |
1166s | which a difference more I just I'm just |
1168s | in German because when you say obviously |
1169s | 17 people people may be that wall with |
1171s | people get comp every day you of course |
1172s | referring to do you our people who have |
1174s | done ie D insane achievement a tell us |
1176s | before K right yeah just to clarify that |
1178s | as well |
1178s | yes so so like if only 17 people have |
1181s | done this and only 500 people don't this |
1182s | and none of them have done both then now |
1185s | there can be aspirational content but we |
1187s | have to set that bar somewhere we decide |
1190s | where that is you might say all |
1192s | completion is a means and then I get a |
1193s | lot of people quoting dictionaries at me |
1196s | therefore completion ISM must mean |
1197s | everything but when those |
1199s | quirements were created they weren't put |
1201s | and comp for a reason a lot of people |
1203s | are telling me that come the comp KP is |
1204s | the completion isn't a pit has to have |
1206s | everything on it but that's never meant |
1207s | that like it didn't mean that when it |
1209s | first came out it's never meant that at |
1211s | any point in its history so you can't |
1212s | quote the word completion isn't to me |
1214s | and say well obviously it has to have |
1216s | 200 million on it that's a compelling |
1217s | reason for removing 200 million as a |
1220s | defined objective which I don't think |
1223s | anyone wants it's not a compelling |
1225s | reason to put 200 million on the |
1226s | complicate the design the good design of |
1228s | the cake determines what's on the comp |
1229s | cake not the dictionary do we feel like |
1232s | because we've set the precedent of Paul |
1233s | and completionist we should make it in |
1235s | essence the definition that's a |
1237s | constantly honestly my preferred |
1238s | solution to that is to formally call it |
1240s | the comp Cape and not the completionist |
1243s | com stands for complex word can be the |
1248s | complicated can I jump in because |
1250s | violence like you mentioned like |
1252s | specifically catering to the daily |
1255s | players is it then I imagine it's like |
1259s | we're going to create a new boss and now |
1260s | we're afraid of putting difficult |
1262s | achievement exactly paul caves and that |
1264s | is that kind of what-ifs also we get |
1266s | actually pretty gives us somewhere to |
1268s | put elite content okay |
1270s | that isn't chat seems to be calling a |
1274s | computer complicated complicated |
1276s | [Laughter] |
1282s | compound |
1283s | obviously it's it's I can't begin to |
1287s | tell you how much of a contentious topic |
1289s | it is because it's very it's you cannot |
1291s | find that me look I think I'm thinking |
1293s | say something how I find them we're |
1294s | trying to find a middle ground and it |
1296s | does you cannot do that you can't find a |
1297s | middle ground between I don't want to do |
1299s | so lack and so lack should be mandatory |
1301s | there's no middle ground there either is |
1303s | what isn't on the case so our solution |
1305s | is to capes |
1307s | so in essence are more than more |
1310s | people's comp and then encouraging them |
1311s | to go up to the tears you've got two |
1314s | directions you can go let go you can go |
1316s | deeper down the grind you can do tier |
1318s | three skilling and then across to tier 3 |
1320s | everything on comp so if we do this |
1323s | isn't the final design we haven't |
1324s | finally designed you can finally decided |
1326s | this give us feedback that's the camera |
1330s | [Laughter] |
1332s | so the TV where I can read the chat is |
1334s | there and the camera is there yeah so I |
1336s | can't see my face when I'm looking at |
1338s | the TV tentatively speaking it could be |
1343s | something like of imagine there's a |
1346s | version of insane phone or boss but it |
1347s | has the hard bosses I mentioned earlier |
1349s | how hard and group loss is removed from |
1350s | it |
1351s | so it's still a crazy grind to get |
1353s | insane final boss even without the hard |
1354s | bosses on here that would be on tier 3 |
1356s | combat and then fully insane final boss |
1358s | is on actual tier 3 combat it may be and |
1360s | I'm interested in feedback here that |
1362s | what I was calling the heroic combat |
1364s | Cape maybe that shouldn't have a growing |
1366s | to like and final in same final boss on |
1368s | it maybe it should have an extreme |
1369s | challenge on it like tell us to carry 3 |
1371s | K 4 K maybe that would be maybe it's |
1373s | maybe it's more appropriate but it's not |
1375s | a grindy Cape have we we don't have a |
1377s | final decision have that deficit shots |
1379s | have been considered yes that was |
1380s | another option that we discussed for |
1382s | resolving this issue was what if death I |
1384s | starts counted to Reaper because the |
1386s | currently done correct and I feel like |
1390s | that's a worse compromise why because |
1392s | now you can't tell the difference |
1393s | between someone who got their refund |
1395s | legitimately and someone who didn't |
1397s | couldn't that be said for like if that |
1399s | solves the problem for the |
1400s | completionists but it doesn't solve the |
1402s | problem for the people who want combat |
1404s | accomplishments acknowledged to me it |
1406s | feels like it cheapens what rapper is |
1408s | supposed to mean do we in that case then |
1409s | do we feel like people are cheapened |
1411s | their way to a boss pet they've got it |
1412s | with insta-kill darts so if people have |
1414s | their boss pets but it's kind of its |
1416s | kind of a that's more of a grind that's |
1420s | not really a it's not really a signifier |
1422s | of personal challenge it's much more of |
1424s | a signifier of willingness to put in the |
1426s | effort and there's quite a big split |
1428s | between those two concepts of thing I |
1430s | mean someone someone did suggest that we |
1432s | could do a similar thing we're like you |
1434s | know the various mother lode more |
1435s | enhancers but we you know in theory we |
1438s | could do those for hard bosses |
1439s | help you get those kills QbD yeah but |
1444s | again it's been again it's kind of it is |
1445s | blurring the line there between have you |
1447s | actually like if we put in a load of |
1449s | enhancers that helped you get to tell us |
1452s | for K and tell us for K wouldn't really |
1455s | be tell us for K anymore right because |
1456s | you couldn't tell different well between |
1458s | someone who's got it |
1459s | and some somebody got it legitimately |
1460s | and someone who didn't unfortunately |
1461s | that could be said about tell us walk a |
1463s | with him up with |
1465s | that's a pantheon yeah as an example |
1467s | yeah I can't remember chat will help me |
1469s | I can't member if there's a Pantheon was |
1471s | in place when for cable tell us happened |
1473s | or not but I believed as a Pantheon was |
1476s | used obviously to bump up people's tell |
1478s | us in rages so I mean as examples it was |
1481s | okay cool I thought so so I mean there's |
1485s | me someone someone made an interesting |
1487s | point on ready last week which I |
1488s | disagreed with but it was a good point |
1491s | it was it was effectively like Connor |
1494s | the specific example he used but it was |
1496s | you know at people should have to do |
1498s | things the hard way that the entire |
1500s | probes were taking to comp of like |
1501s | enhancers and making it more accessible |
1503s | is wrong and actually people should be |
1505s | forced to do accomplishments the |
1507s | difficult way and I get where that |
1509s | mentality is coming from but that's just |
1510s | not how runescape works in the sense |
1512s | that if you didn't get your 99 |
1514s | runecrafting before runespan came out do |
1517s | you really have a legitimate 99 |
1519s | runecrafting a lot players would say no |
1521s | I would say yes but a lot players would |
1522s | say no or alternatively if you've got |
1524s | your 99 runecrafting before runespan |
1526s | came out you've never done the runespan |
1528s | grind so he's your 99 runecrafting |
1530s | actually legitimate because which one is |
1532s | the legitimate runecrafting ground right |
1533s | there is no I have done it in the |
1536s | official way and all other ways are on |
1538s | are illegitimate that concept doesn't |
1539s | really mean anything |
1540s | are you have the number or you've done |
1542s | mmm-hmm I mean obviously it goes without |
1546s | saying it's one again I'll say it so |
1548s | yeah one hell of a topic I mean night |
1550s | there's no you're not gonna get please |
1552s | everyone with this in regards to that |
1554s | please remove the grouping boss |
1556s | requirement from the Master Quest Kapus |
1557s | events this is not legit love quest |
1559s | content that's reasonable I'll have a |
1561s | look into that |
1562s | so okay yes but like that's a reasonable |
1564s | thing to say and we'll have a look into |
1566s | I think because if we're saying we're |
1568s | gonna take group content group hard |
1571s | group content off combat it makes no |
1573s | sense to leave it on questing cool come |
1577s | over to a couple questions for the chat |
1578s | how will broadcast be treated for the |
1580s | contrary work so obviously there was |
1582s | their level achievements for getting |
1584s | conference room currently how is that |
1585s | gonna work we haven't looked into that |
1587s | yeah I don't know we'd have to it I |
1588s | suspect if it was anytime anyone which |
1590s | is a Tier one in any category it might |
1592s | be a bit I mean you can make to your own |
1594s | friends it's it's worthy of a friend |
1595s | achievement tier two will to your free |
1597s | global yeah could be |
1599s | seems to seems to work nicely in that |
1601s | sense but also for anyone who's eligible |
1604s | for a cake already when they log in will |
1607s | they broadcast to the game we did this |
1610s | with both logs with the cyclone boss log |
1612s | where if people already have it for sure |
1618s | when they first logged in in favorably |
1620s | we could do it like when you claim it |
1622s | for the first time or something just to |
1623s | spread that out a little yeah so it |
1624s | doesn't just do does the trim comic heap |
1630s | have the same stats as the base car |
1632s | McCabe I don't think that I don't know |
1639s | whether the combat cape itself has stats |
1641s | so from a balancing point of view it |
1643s | doesn't have better stats I don't know |
1646s | whether that means it's a cosmetic or |
1647s | it's a capable stats because from a |
1650s | balancing point of view that doesn't |
1651s | matter I realized like from a plant why |
1652s | it makes a huge difference because we |
1654s | all know what Cape you're wearing but |
1655s | the trimmed combat Cape is not intended |
1657s | to have to be beneficial over the combat |
1660s | Cape unless there's what I mean there'll |
1663s | be obvious possibility cursed me that |
1664s | we've said you get the the the |
1665s | complicate the passive comp Cape snap |
1667s | bonus is going on the combat Cape it |
1669s | could well be that we move that to the |
1671s | heroic combat cape that might be a |
1674s | better place for it it's it seems to me |
1676s | like there's arguments in both yeah I |
1678s | mean as admins like it's a combat cape |
1679s | why wouldn't have combat stats in that |
1681s | regards but I'm alright and saying the |
1682s | stats across their capes themselves as |
1685s | in not on the combat aid for on that how |
1688s | are the combat so if I so I haven't got |
1690s | comp Cape yeah yeah I'm on Ridge getting |
1692s | there but I login at this update how do |
1694s | I choose to get the Cape that has the |
1696s | combat stats on that I need so depending |
1699s | on what the design is it would either be |
1700s | the combat capable the heroic combo Cape |
1701s | right unlocking that Cape gives you a |
1704s | passive stat bonus which applies across |
1706s | all Cape said opposed across all capes |
1708s | then you just put whatever your best |
1709s | cape is on and the resulting stat total |
1711s | should be about the same as what you're |
1714s | getting from khon kaen now okay I |
1715s | suspect we would up by a couple of |
1717s | points rather than down by a couple of |
1718s | points because we're not intending to |
1720s | know they're not intense dirty in your |
1722s | Horan's combat status the current best |
1724s | stat total you can get from your Cape |
1726s | slot we're not intending to |
1728s | okay so that's the comp capes law which |
1730s | gives you the best that's okay whatever |
1731s | so whatever your best cape you have lost |
1733s | your passive bonus for having combat |
1735s | unlocked these your new totally Wow |
1739s | theory whoa there could be better |
1741s | contingent sin so that means that I |
1744s | would get seventy plus magic because if |
1746s | I have 30 to magic on my magic on my |
1748s | kilm cape and I have the passive but we |
1751s | need to work out what this is to make |
1753s | sure that it isn't okay but we're also |
1756s | not anything for it to be a massive buff |
1758s | so like I could see it being a buff by a |
1760s | couple of points just because it's |
1761s | easier to balance that way okay I've |
1769s | said I've seen a couple comments |
1772s | regarding elite dungeon cure well of |
1774s | course we showed a QL off on stream two |
1777s | weeks ago I want to say now my pocket I |
1780s | only come to you for that one how we |
1781s | where are we at on daily dungeon cure |
1784s | well so so we're still chipping away at |
1786s | it once we will work and although we be |
1789s | fine last minute issues |
1790s | so when back to the development team |
1793s | that QA actually wasn't holy they'll |
1796s | even then ninja started to help out |
1798s | because we we know you guys want it we |
1800s | think it's a priority so we started |
1802s | helping out we found a few more issues I |
1804s | believe we're fixing these right now and |
1806s | then once everything is signed up then |
1809s | we'll bring it to you all in game really |
1812s | and yes we could have been slightly |
1814s | better with her announcement of it but |
1816s | that's that's reality and now we're just |
1818s | trying a hardest all together to getting |
1820s | in game so in regards to obviously ninja |
1825s | as a team there that you mentioned |
1827s | obviously they'll try and jump lessons |
1828s | that precedent player issues and so on |
1830s | so forth so that's awesome them in |
1833s | regards to set effects I've seen that's |
1835s | gonna be a model right and quite a model |
1837s | writing comic council question |
1838s | presumably yes okay keep that question |
1841s | for him when yeah yeah or maybe we'll |
1845s | try and get him to put out put out |
1847s | something that we're all happy with or |
1849s | someone that we not watch it he might be |
1851s | watching I'm not sure unfortunately I |
1853s | haven't got the entire Jagex viewer Lee |
1855s | don't |
1855s | oh it's important |
1858s | goodness me Jack have you |
1861s | to rattle off I assume you have we have |
1864s | all the letters oh there's a big |
1865s | question that keeps getting asked as |
1866s | well phrase in two different ways |
1868s | firstly why are you making comp as |
1872s | opposed to something else as in the real |
1875s | working new comp |
1876s | why why are we doing this project as |
1877s | opposed to something that other players |
1878s | might like more Cup that shall remain |
1880s | nameless and the other the other version |
1883s | of the same question is essentially like |
1885s | no one asked for this why drag explode |
1887s | on something that no one asked for so |
1890s | that I mean the first one is like the |
1893s | team that are working on the concave |
1895s | rework wouldn't be working on a bank |
1898s | rework they're not engine they are not |
1900s | an engine team they wouldn't be work on |
1901s | a bank if they weren't working on this |
1903s | they would be making a small-scale |
1905s | skilling update or something that would |
1907s | be what would fit in this spot because |
1908s | the nice thing about reworking concave |
1909s | is it's it's hard like from a pleasing |
1914s | everybody point of view it's almost |
1916s | impossible to please everybody but the |
1918s | amount of dev work is relatively small |
1920s | and like it's sort of smaller than |
1922s | player and farm that sort of thing small |
1924s | definitely small of course my aunt's |
1926s | memory we're pretty much the size of |
1930s | mining and smithing so the team the team |
1933s | if you if you're wondering like why are |
1934s | we wasting effort unless it's like he's |
1937s | good good use of time by comparison to |
1939s | like you know we could add in like a new |
1941s | tree or something at level 70 like that |
1943s | that wouldn't be a great day by |
1945s | comparison to the impact this could have |
1946s | on everyone |
1947s | I read you the initial paragraph when we |
1950s | made it their plot back to January 2019 |
1952s | the initial paragraph which state our |
1954s | intentions for this I think it |
1955s | summarizes it well I mean do it to the |
1957s | camera yeah do it to the coop I mean I |
1960s | mean no angels |
1965s | the calm cape should be the ultimate the |
1967s | premiere achievements in game for |
1968s | completionists |
1969s | however every new completion is |
1970s | requirement we add is met with |
1972s | frustrations but players who see |
1973s | recompensed frustrating sure if we're |
1975s | going to take an example I remember many |
1977s | of you complaining about the acts time |
1979s | gated achievements when Ark batch 1 came |
1981s | out back in 2016 and speaking first and |
1985s | as someone who saw that it was painful |
1986s | and then there's the other version which |
1988s | is the Slayer 120 amnesty we're problem |
1992s | for menopause as well but also it |
1995s | becomes a tightrope for us because we |
1997s | haven't been added as many few as many |
1999s | comp requirements as you may have |
2001s | noticed we haven't added as many |
2002s | compared to obviously the previous years |
2004s | but then of course it comes that |
2006s | tightrope do we add stuff that's there |
2008s | and then Garry comp or do we just not |
2010s | add anything and then people do want to |
2011s | read conquer frustrated by it so it |
2013s | becomes a tightrope for obviously you |
2016s | Jack and your team to try and figure out |
2017s | because it's your primary every every |
2019s | development time oh yeah every developer |
2021s | who the situation that we're in |
2023s | developers don't want to add complex |
2025s | because complex just generate anger the |
2028s | current state of comp is he's a is a |
2030s | problem for devs and appears to be a |
2034s | problem for players it's a problem for |
2035s | something some players love it Oh what |
2037s | so I was around things about this took |
2040s | more easy because it particularly the |
2042s | expression no one asked for this I get |
2043s | with it to the concave rework and |
2046s | reference a comp everywhere no one asked |
2048s | to this and my statement on that is |
2050s | eventually if you've ever like |
2051s | complained that there are too many |
2053s | complex or complained that there aren't |
2058s | enough complex which covers quite a lot |
2060s | of players then you asked for us to |
2062s | change the way we think about comp |
2063s | because at the moment we are trying to |
2065s | navigate the existing complicate to what |
2068s | we think is the best compromise we can |
2070s | and it's clear that no one is happy like |
2074s | no one is happy about the current |
2075s | situation because either there's too |
2076s | much to do or too little to do |
2077s | completion is unhappy like people who |
2080s | want the stats aren't happy no one is |
2082s | happy now maybe we're reading too much |
2084s | into no on being happy there may be |
2085s | there's a whole load of a sign of dinars |
2087s | you are totally happy but actually |
2088s | there's a lot of people who are unhappy |
2090s | about it so that's what we want to fix |
2091s | that's that's the people that asked for |
2093s | us if you've complained about current |
2094s | comp or any current compote events |
2096s | that's what we're trying to resolve cool |
2100s | it was a amnesty ever considered |
2103s | immigrants the project the scope of this |
2105s | project what do you mean so immigrants |
2108s | to reworking if we pronounce is there |
2113s | gonna be amnesty time gates on stuff so |
2115s | you have two weeks to go like a grace |
2116s | period sorry yeah yes yes so we put that |
2120s | in the poll so we ran a poll before we |
2123s | started proper work to try and get a |
2125s | sense yeah what people's kind of things |
2126s | were most of it was quite inconclusive |
2129s | but there was a fairly strong results |
2131s | that people wanted grace periods but in |
2134s | all of the feedback we got people |
2135s | thought that we were proposing six |
2136s | months grace period or something of that |
2138s | everyone universally said that's too |
2140s | long we don't want a grace period that |
2142s | long so currently it's likely to be a |
2144s | month or a couple of weeks or something |
2147s | your problem I I'm trying to get it so |
2149s | that it depends on the size the content |
2151s | I think it's obviously like a new skill |
2154s | is quite a lot more to complete than a |
2157s | small skilling update or request is you |
2159s | don't the question a few hours but a |
2161s | scheme is gonna take you months how are |
2163s | you gonna tackle the problem with all |
2165s | unlocking all music tracks which I |
2168s | genuinely I don't know which is a |
2169s | compression it if I don't know how we s |
2172s | we could theoretically have it you know |
2175s | so you have to complete a certain |
2176s | percentage of them for lower tiers I |
2179s | think all of them should definitely be a |
2181s | Tier three I don't know whether all them |
2182s | should be a tier 2 I haven't looked into |
2184s | enough okay just to clarify max cape and |
2188s | the current compensator will still be in |
2190s | the game at this update correct so comp |
2192s | and trim are being relabeled to legacy |
2195s | comp and legacy trim they will have the |
2197s | exact same requirements they currently |
2199s | have and the exact same appearance they |
2200s | currently are does that mean their |
2202s | broadcasts are still gonna fire globally |
2203s | when they get them that's a good |
2205s | question right I think you probably |
2207s | should like I can see an argument is |
2209s | gonna be interesting when you see but I |
2211s | feel like it undermines the whole legacy |
2213s | um aspect if it doesn't because if you |
2214s | were like what we're trying to |
2215s | accomplish with legacy is either like in |
2219s | fact that either the player who sort of |
2220s | is unhappy about the rework or simply |
2222s | doesn't know about the rework and |
2223s | they're like I've got my trim comp I |
2224s | worked hard for this trim comp I want to |
2226s | keep it I don't want to rework changing |
2227s | the requirements on my trim comp |
2229s | completely so I lose the Cape I work so |
2231s | hard for like if we move castle walls to |
2232s | tier 3 and you're like my oh you you |
2235s | know I don't want to do the rest of tier |
2236s | 3 or anyone what is now effectively the |
2238s | tier 2 level we don't want to take their |
2241s | caper way so that's where the legacy |
2243s | Cape exists but also players who almost |
2245s | there players who are like well I ground |
2247s | out the castle walls but I didn't do |
2248s | everything else or I grant out |
2249s | everything but the castle walls I'm so |
2251s | close to having my cape so on that basis |
2253s | I thing probably should keep the |
2254s | broadcast because |
2255s | you know you work for that tariff any |
2260s | other keeps they'll be free to play |
2261s | presumably not no I don't think so cool |
2265s | are these really accomplishments if |
2267s | anyone can do it I mean that's just |
2269s | hyperbole right like that's the kind of |
2271s | thing I get all the time like like I get |
2274s | told Oh anyone can do it everyone's |
2275s | gonna everyone's gonna log in and have |
2277s | tier 3 on launch and by everyone I |
2278s | assume this person means like the 15 |
2280s | people on his friends list who all |
2282s | insane completionists and so yes it may |
2284s | well be that if you if you're if you're |
2285s | pool of runescape friends all consists |
2287s | of incredible overachievers who've done |
2289s | more or less everything possible to do |
2291s | in the game yes you probably will have |
2293s | tier 3 on launch like congratulate and |
2296s | maybe in a few years time we go in and |
2298s | we add more or another tier I mean |
2300s | obviously like what we're pitching what |
2302s | the whole point of what we're pitching |
2304s | is that we're taking the existing |
2306s | requirements and rearranging them but |
2310s | part of the point of the rework is that |
2312s | it frees us up to add requirements so |
2316s | it's not like because I think that's |
2318s | everyone's kind of got used to the idea |
2319s | that comp doesn't really change very |
2320s | much we don't put much more on comp |
2322s | actually our expectation is that a lot |
2325s | more will get added both both new |
2327s | achievements and also possibly depending |
2329s | on demand and time available old |
2331s | achievements like old old but we add in |
2334s | achievements and comp requirements for |
2335s | Old Continent that doesn't theoretically |
2337s | you could have a contract for a piece of |
2338s | content that doesn't have any compressed |
2340s | so so I don't I don't think I like the |
2344s | tasker we have right now that we've got |
2346s | to fix is placing all of the current |
2349s | requirements in the right place but that |
2350s | doesn't mean that's it there's going to |
2352s | be more requirements in future it's not |
2353s | like you login you've got your tier 3 |
2355s | you're done then you're never gonna have |
2357s | to play runescape again it's not you |
2358s | know I'm gonna come to Porky for a |
2362s | question that I'm gonna consider to be a |
2363s | ninja question actually while you're |
2365s | here Jackie Muppet fans as well when |
2367s | will we see the spiky variant of the |
2369s | trimmed masterwork enter the game it's |
2371s | on more children's to-do list for |
2373s | smithing and stone spirits Pixies okay |
2376s | can we is there any progress other than |
2379s | when we last out of our stance where |
2380s | it's we're working together on the |
2382s | design we need to do more on that design |
2384s | another |
2384s | yeah I think it's his priority now well |
2389s | I think just tying into it like we know |
2390s | you guys want that the fixes so once |
2395s | once ninjas able to have a crack at it |
2397s | we're gonna help spiky armories on that |
2400s | list yeah oh sorry I'm just trying to go |
2405s | through the questions Fred and switch it |
2406s | between the scripts make sure I don't |
2407s | miss anything |
2408s | can you fix the zoom in after boss |
2410s | cutscenes with the new camera mode that |
2411s | ninja have released these so I'm |
2414s | guessing this is why you are on classic |
2417s | freedom of classic sorry freedom or |
2419s | freedom classic and tell us faces you go |
2422s | into the next phase and your camera |
2424s | resets I would have a guess so I guess |
2427s | something to maybe have a look into yeah |
2431s | tweeted or something at me and we'll |
2432s | definitely add to the sheet and we'll |
2433s | discuss it with the team I'm not in a |
2436s | position to say yes or no we can add it |
2440s | to the shoot make it easier for you I |
2441s | forgot actually can you just looking at |
2449s | the chat see we can get more from it |
2451s | Jackson - you want to add something else |
2452s | just asked if one legacy tom is Reaper |
2456s | gonna change I think technically |
2460s | speaking it's gonna have to why in like |
2464s | because comp requires Reaper and Reaper |
2467s | is a is a living requirement right so |
2470s | exactly I will always on it I think that |
2471s | probably will update otherwise we'd have |
2473s | to sort of take an exact copy of it and |
2476s | put that on sir like it so I think |
2479s | things like new skills new bosses new |
2484s | quests probably would still be required |
2486s | for the legacy cake okay I think because |
2489s | like I mean well we're not gonna add new |
2492s | bespoke achievements but because those |
2494s | achievements require further |
2496s | achievements okay it seems unnecessarily |
2500s | convoluted to add in effectively a |
2502s | legacy quest achievement for your legacy |
2505s | comp cape yes so just because of the |
2508s | nature of the way the technical systems |
2510s | work doesn't it seem like you have a lot |
2512s | of maintaining to do though because if I |
2514s | log in and the new skills come out not |
2515s | only oh sorry |
2516s | I'm the new rec has come out for |
2518s | Boston skill I don't have to maintain my |
2520s | new Cape I also have to maintain my |
2521s | legacy Cape as well well in that case |
2523s | it'll just be the same requirement |
2524s | well yeah theoretically it would be a |
2526s | quest comes out and it's like well I've |
2527s | got to complete that quest from a quest |
2528s | Cape my legacy complicate my complicate |
2530s | the team complicated just require go |
2532s | complete the quest how does it become |
2534s | legacy that I so in my mind how many be |
2536s | wrong legacy for me is at a time of this |
2538s | update this is everything that you can |
2541s | do to get there and since then we've now |
2542s | done this new Finn yeah this is why part |
2545s | of the point of it being legacy is it's |
2547s | not going to have it so whatever we're |
2549s | going through this rework on there going |
2550s | all we think this is a good idea we |
2552s | think this is about it everything this |
2553s | needs to push to tier 3 none of those |
2555s | changes will be implemented on the |
2556s | legacy Cape so if you disagree with our |
2558s | changes you can just ignore them and |
2560s | keep your legacy K that's the idea look |
2563s | they just want us to freeze it and keep |
2565s | it I mean which is lovely always yeah |
2570s | well you can't think that is achievable |
2573s | it would just require a fairly |
2576s | convoluted duplication of everything so |
2578s | they'd need to be like a legacy Reaper |
2579s | legacy quests legacy max and that's yeah |
2583s | legacy skills legacy quest legacy Ripper |
2585s | this he doesn't else it isn't Reilly's |
2587s | attack point of the legacy capes because |
2590s | I've also had a lot of feedback from |
2591s | people saying it sucks that you're |
2593s | freezing the legacy caves they should |
2594s | continue to update yeah because if you |
2597s | don't continue to update them they will |
2598s | lose their value which I think you |
2600s | actually feel like you can't wait I'm so |
2606s | we're in the same spot basically you cuz |
2609s | you can't find that middle ground where |
2611s | everyone will be happy and you can't |
2613s | compromise with yes and no yeah I mean I |
2616s | can simplify as let's put it that way |
2621s | what's the what's the percent of place |
2623s | to have a complicates all by question |
2625s | have we ever said there's a percentage |
2627s | of comp right now I don't know if talk |
2629s | ahead no pretty sure ease why wouldn't |
2631s | we have Sarah in the past I mean if we |
2633s | if we would have said it would be not |
2635s | like it would have been on a deadlock |
2636s | for Kali because that would give us our |
2638s | reason and yeah I'm gonna get stupid on |
2641s | that block or majority of no of course |
2644s | although you wouldn't expect it to be no |
2646s | but I think I think some players don't |
2648s | necessarily realize that there are a lot |
2650s | of players who are |
2651s | either end game or on like I think they |
2655s | probably all some players who would |
2656s | think that a majority of players have |
2657s | conquered and I isn't the case actually |
2661s | while you mentioned the data stream |
2662s | that's coming up in the very near future |
2664s | is not next week stream but it is coming |
2668s | up in the well essentially in the next |
2671s | couple of streams coming up we're |
2672s | looking to get the data stream in so |
2674s | always excited for them opening instead |
2676s | means I have to have my I've always |
2680s | prepared somebody say no next week's not |
2682s | the month ahead cuz I'm overhead is not |
2683s | released until next Friday oh yeah of |
2686s | course |
2686s | so the stream after that would be month |
2689s | ahead theoretically if my calendar my |
2692s | brain is correct which may not be or |
2695s | sale is still happening in may indeed |
2697s | we've been putting in these posts pretty |
2699s | much all the way through in the run-up |
2702s | to uh since about February I think we've |
2704s | been telling players that we're doing |
2705s | this or a sale so yes is coming up in |
2707s | May so very least the comp question |
2710s | probably isn't a bad idea for the data |
2712s | stream but do you know the ditch the |
2714s | date guys are absolutely hammered so I |
2716s | can't promise I'll be able to show that |
2718s | there but I mean it's not a bad job for |
2720s | sure is there anything else so we can |
2724s | plot a well take off but read choose my |
2728s | words anything like that just looking at |
2734s | the Emma got declined update that's not |
2738s | next week for the week after we have a |
2739s | short of working week so it's not gonna |
2741s | get the release testing it needs due to |
2744s | all the systems the Klan's touches so |
2746s | just an FYI for that can you guys see |
2749s | anything you want to take from the chat |
2750s | all I had a question which was like for |
2755s | those who don't for those who do want |
2758s | the requirements to be completely frozen |
2759s | housing nothing ever changes on legacy |
2761s | okay could you could you tell me why |
2763s | because I'm interested okay cool well |
2765s | wait for the chat come up as we |
2768s | mentioned about at least dungeon updates |
2769s | porky |
2770s | came to you really about that but the |
2772s | injurer taken these are helping mainly |
2775s | with the team itself so when I don't |
2777s | want to take credit for it on behalf of |
2780s | the ninja team but if they need more |
2783s | help than yes |
2784s | we are gonna help them out as well and |
2786s | we hope to get it ready sooner than |
2788s | later into the game really compromise |
2790s | cake that's the perfect name Oh |
2798s | brilliant well I'll call it the |
2800s | complaining cake I'm complaining so some |
2809s | people have said obviously it should |
2810s | keep Lexy cuz it's like C but some |
2812s | people said about obviously Reaper being |
2813s | a little bit out of date |
2815s | same reason is a lot of people want to |
2816s | change his Reaper especially Hagrid |
2817s | bosses will take away legacy cape which |
2819s | we love so much it goes that say so much |
2823s | opinion on something like this which is |
2825s | great because obviously you know we are |
2827s | looking for player feedback everywhere |
2829s | we can that seems to be mostly just a |
2830s | matter of principle but because it's the |
2832s | legacy cape it just ought to be frozen |
2833s | that I mean that's that's why I fall but |
2836s | why can't you define each tier based on |
2840s | the type of players sort of ears but the |
2846s | problem is so as we said several times |
2848s | about this project like part of the |
2850s | points that give people achievable goals |
2852s | achievable for them that makes sense for |
2854s | them |
2855s | so if we say sake of argument tier 2 |
2859s | requires let's say let's say for sake of |
2862s | argument like one way to fix it is to |
2863s | push Reaper to tier 2 so say tier 1 |
2867s | doesn't require Reaper and Team 2 does |
2869s | require Reaper then what we've done now |
2871s | essentially you said if you're at tier 1 |
2873s | you don't like it we're at this place |
2876s | where these players with these players |
2878s | who can't won't do something so if we |
2882s | push Reaper to tier 2 and fix the |
2885s | problem that way we're essentially |
2887s | saying tier 1 is your level you're done |
2890s | you can't you can't complete anymore of |
2893s | runescape now or at least you can but |
2894s | we're not going to acknowledge you we |
2895s | you know you can push the tier 3 skills |
2897s | but having pushed at tier 3 skills I |
2899s | mean there's no point doing anything |
2900s | else that's how the game is structured |
2902s | and we don't really want the game to be |
2904s | structured in such a way as to say I'll |
2908s | give you an example from my experience |
2910s | on the road to comp so I done what I |
2912s | thought was the crux of comp in regards |
2915s | to the time to get it and then |
2917s | when I had the max Cape I realized I had |
2920s | such ports told port your contract is |
2922s | brutal like time yay it will take a long |
2924s | time so yeah I am technically stuck in |
2928s | the case of Reaper if we take your |
2929s | example but are you not then giving them |
2931s | a platform to try and get the I mean |
2935s | like I get that port is a really |
2937s | annoying kind guy but there's a |
2939s | difference between I don't want to have |
2942s | to wait this long and I can never do |
2945s | this and some people will say people are |
2948s | only imagining oh they can never do so |
2950s | like if only they just stepped up and |
2951s | did it the way you know they did they |
2954s | would be able to get it but isn't there |
2956s | a place you can't do it and it's that |
2960s | like everyone can get ports eventually |
2962s | and and some players think that that |
2965s | sort of planning could be rewarded it's |
2967s | not it's not just a blocker to you ever |
2971s | okay and ever going further in the game |
2973s | that's the distinction for me so |
2976s | obviously I'm seeing people ask a banker |
2978s | aware oh I'm gonna do flat is read what |
2980s | we said for the big questions Q&A so |
2982s | bear with me while I pull that up |
2984s | because that's about all we can say on |
2986s | that one so I'll grab that when I can |
2990s | there was a question about the the |
2992s | legacy capable it keeps it stats you |
2995s | know that will check oh sorry but what |
2996s | Alexa cake it's that I don't know yeah I |
2999s | think probably well sorry it probably |
3003s | won't keep it stats it probably will |
3006s | give the stat bonus that you get in the |
3008s | new system because I can't see it being |
3011s | easier stat bonus we're a third is that |
3014s | bonus you have for completing line of |
3015s | the combat cable the heroic combat game |
3017s | depending on where it ends up I can't |
3018s | see why comp shouldn't also give them so |
3020s | legacy comp should also give that bonus |
3022s | because it's harder so I don't see why |
3024s | she didn't give that bonus so if you |
3026s | happen not to have completed one thing |
3029s | but you have completed that interacts in |
3031s | a difficult way with it being frozen |
3032s | yeah so that would be a reason for it |
3034s | not to do that is it froze and therefore |
3037s | you know some new boss comes out in the |
3038s | future which is insanely hard which we |
3040s | think should be required for stats |
3041s | because it's on heroic combat and it |
3044s | doesn't look if you complete legacy comp |
3046s | you don't need to do that boss so you |
3047s | can get the stats that's exactly I'll be |
3049s | back to square one that's these actually |
3050s | tradition we don't |
3051s | so it's complicated but I don't see |
3053s | currently why it wouldn't complete keep |
3055s | it so someone's have lost track of how |
3064s | many new capes they're gonna be so how |
3065s | many new capes are they're gonna be |
3066s | little Astra I'm already counting the |
3073s | quest Cape in the master quest cape so |
3075s | there's also then a third tier of quest |
3076s | Cape three tiers of combat cape three |
3079s | tiers of skill and cape and then three |
3081s | new tiers of comp Cape that's 12 total |
3086s | but that includes two quests that |
3088s | already exist then we're also proposing |
3090s | now effectively you can trim or or |
3093s | change the appearance of your combat |
3095s | cape and your comp Cape so you could |
3097s | count that as an extra six capes but |
3098s | they're not they're not going to be six |
3100s | new capes they're going to be a slight |
3102s | graphical what changed to to an existing |
3105s | King so I'm just gonna read what we said |
3107s | regarding Bank rework on a big question |
3109s | skew and even for people who may have |
3111s | missed that which is when we speak about |
3113s | ideas and the Aria and they gain |
3115s | traction they then become expectations |
3116s | so basically how we've set expectations |
3118s | stuff coming out in the past and it |
3119s | hasn't even projects they're in in the |
3122s | works and we haven't said anything about |
3123s | until we're confident that they will be |
3124s | released there have been instances in |
3126s | the past when we've worked on a project |
3127s | excited about it and started talking |
3129s | about it like the Bank rework and there |
3131s | are certain things we want to show |
3132s | design documents etc to get player |
3134s | feedback on it so we need to find the |
3136s | sweet spot and that was what we said as |
3139s | summarized in a TL DW a couple weeks |
3142s | back on big questions Q&A it's been |
3145s | really nice working on Ikon particularly |
3147s | on mining and smithing because they were |
3148s | just completely open development because |
3150s | there's no almost by nature like they |
3152s | are it's like as in we just from the |
3154s | very start of it we're like this is what |
3155s | we do is the designer clothes please |
3157s | give us feedback on the design none of |
3158s | it was secret a lot of our content has |
3161s | to be secret like what we can't have |
3163s | open development on a quest we can just |
3164s | be like hey guys we're thinking of |
3166s | making a quest what do you think it |
3167s | should be about I'll sarin okay well you |
3168s | know what should happen in sarens quest |
3170s | die okay cool right you know I'm like we |
3172s | can't do a lot for a quest they really |
3175s | hope we don't do that I really hope we |
3177s | don't do this in sometime this year now |
3179s | because usually I kill Sonia |
3182s | you can around impersonal anything I did |
3186s | choose around the random person has such |
3189s | a significant law behind them yeah we're |
3191s | gonna kill sarin wait but my point is we |
3193s | can't do open development I would like |
3197s | to do more like when it's something like |
3198s | a skilling update or something like that |
3201s | I don't is it complicated I think |
3203s | there's less need for it to be secret |
3204s | than it is with the quest but at the |
3206s | same time there is an element of like oh |
3207s | look what RuneScape's added to the |
3209s | rabbit to the game we get loads of |
3210s | positive feedback whenever we do like a |
3212s | stealth update the people weren't |
3213s | expecting banker will always goes down |
3215s | really well and the quality of the |
3220s | content right absolutely depends but but |
3222s | usually like stealth updates go down |
3224s | well so it's yeah right he's really good |
3227s | cut right now all the crosses killer |
3229s | though oh because she's kind of talking |
3231s | that's how me people do referring to of |
3234s | course the shortness there and actually |
3238s | make on cakes are actually whereas on a |
3242s | sarin in the news post there was a |
3244s | mention of course of I amount |
3246s | restrictions in two specific friends for |
3248s | Samus Aran one that I do want to mention |
3251s | the 1.5 times XP because prime ends |
3255s | improv use doesn't work for Iron Men so |
3257s | when samus aran's on you'll just get the |
3259s | base XP full stop not 1.5 x XP like it |
3263s | is when samus aran's on just to clarify |
3265s | because obviously some people have been |
3267s | a little confused by that I didn't know |
3270s | if someone asked question why do you |
3271s | have to do everything in it here to |
3272s | unlock it can you not do like bits as a |
3275s | you know here's a fin and now you can go |
3278s | on forever kind of thing like why |
3279s | destroy it sounds like an obvious |
3281s | question so that I mean there's an |
3285s | entirely different approach to like the |
3286s | complicate in that like were described |
3288s | some people is like imagine if the comp |
3290s | Cape had like lengths and the more of |
3293s | tears you've completed the longer you'll |
3295s | comp Cape is so like it if you've |
3297s | complete one tier it's like a little |
3299s | tiny yeah and then like you complete two |
3301s | categories it comes down here and three |
3302s | categories and four categories and five |
3303s | characters right and like we could do |
3305s | the comp Cape that way and whenever I |
3307s | explained that to anyone they think that |
3308s | sounds ridiculous I mean I don't see an |
3312s | issue of it it would be like I mean in |
3314s | cape is supposed to be long |
3316s | right very small see I mean it's cool if |
3320s | we're talking about dictionary |
3320s | definitions it's not a chase you are |
3323s | very good you know who wears capes stage |
3328s | magicians can someone actually wants to |
3331s | do this I absolutely mean this someone |
3333s | do a literal count of how many times the |
3336s | word comp or no dictionary has been said |
3341s | in the shooting honestly I would be |
3343s | interesting how much would it be 120 224 |
3349s | times bingo only maybe more who knows |
3352s | Oh Ruben I do a there we go I knew it I |
3356s | appreciate that that's dedicated adding |
3360s | you talking there isn't it right here I |
3362s | mean I should be the same but I'm very |
3364s | carefree you know yeah I do so to |
3373s | clarify more jack is not drinking this |
3378s | ginger beer with Chipotle yes and you |
3381s | know it's quite nice except the people |
3382s | show the content a problem like not |
3386s | without you walking all the way to the |
3387s | camera it's got a gob a link you can see |
3390s | ginger juice like it's quite nice ginger |
3394s | beer but it's got your pop made ready |
3395s | it's all undermining it so we were |
3397s | wondering when it was actually like not |
3398s | spoil or something in the beginning like |
3406s | promotions I do want to mention actually |
3415s | as we get ready to wrap it very shortly |
3418s | and the first time from tomorrow we're |
3421s | actually going to be activating the |
3422s | scope for player streams or for a player |
3425s | stream I should mention so for tomorrow |
3428s | at Farah call 618 30 game time I may be |
3432s | wrong double-check the news post huazi |
3435s | will be streaming here is community |
3437s | event at hammer Virago and that will be |
3440s | the first stream which will give you a |
3442s | chance a loot scape so do keep that a |
3444s | watch |
3449s | let's go Wow okay where was I yes so |
3457s | we're gonna use this opportunity to try |
3459s | it now and the idea is gonna be doing |
3461s | that one player stream a week so we |
3463s | don't over saturate the loot scape |
3465s | different streamers for each week giving |
3467s | them a little bit of love and |
3469s | essentially seeing how their streams do |
3471s | with loot scape so fingers crossed for |
3472s | that do go check it out |
3474s | tomorrow night so should be exciting but |
3477s | that instant end was something else |
3479s | exact I mean thank you there we go yeah |
3483s | there's 1930 game time I was the hour |
3485s | behind so I'm glad that that was |
3487s | clarified to me twitch channel as well |
3490s | this is very TV slash y'see nice and |
3493s | simple but yeah path Matt is there |
3495s | anything I've missed guys there's |
3496s | anything we want to clarify go through |
3498s | and so on so forth currents it only |
3500s | we've we've we've we've talked let's put |
3502s | it that way we've talked so yeah I think |
3506s | that is everything I do want to mention |
3509s | obviously we haven't been able to get |
3511s | the usual |
3511s | like a bigger couches were coming off a |
3514s | long weekend some people went in so when |
3517s | they were to get some of the people I |
3518s | wanted to get on the couch but that's |
3520s | fine so we'll try and see if we can do a |
3522s | couple more general streams in the |
3523s | future we can kind of go from it but |
3525s | apart from that feedback that absolutely |
3529s | sums up this project please could you |
3530s | stop talking about comp the rest of the |
3534s | stream is going Madara aura I can I have |
3540s | nothing that I can tell you at the |
3541s | moment other than what's already been |
3542s | said do anytime sulk |
3544s | do you want you can plug the sock if you |
3547s | want to so I was it's not a secret song |
3550s | anymore |
3551s | last week we actually added it which was |
3554s | quite funny and I think what Nicky put a |
3556s | great tweet about it but you can buy |
3558s | these on on the Jagex store now right |
3560s | yes you can beautiful you're answering |
3562s | your own questions beautiful beautiful |
3568s | sock you get two of them if you buy milk |
3571s | just what you get two so definitely buy |
3573s | them you don't get the severe food rip |
3575s | within it you just have to put your own |
3577s | in |
3579s | that's it really they're great promo |
3581s | what's up promo yeah I don't know what |
3584s | more to say I'll read what we said |
3587s | immigrants the matter or on the big |
3588s | questions Q&A in case we missed it which |
3590s | is the hesitation to release matter at |
3593s | all was because we said we won't go into |
3595s | initially it was a bit overpowered none |
3597s | balancing game we might reopen it during |
3599s | an orrery work but that might be a |
3601s | conversation we have or it can even come |
3603s | back in a different form and obviously |
3605s | if we have more news on that we'll let |
3608s | you know soon as we can I feel like |
3610s | towards the end of the string we may as |
3611s | well just done shameless plugs here |
3613s | there and everywhere but you know is the |
3615s | magic join join our discord discord OGG |
3618s | /rs Wow do you need more one argue about |
3622s | comp in the comm channels yeah if I said |
3624s | if I said 5% I'm so sorry I there is we |
3629s | have we have a special channel on the |
3631s | discord specifically set up for compa |
3633s | boy is there one for a different no I |
3635s | think it's just for complement which is |
3637s | like a hidden channel and so you can |
3639s | post your feedback in there and then no |
3641s | one else can view it except generals so |
3644s | it's a good place if you've got up alive |
3645s | as feedback that yes if you if you want |
3647s | to give us like a paragraph of like your |
3649s | huge load of feedback and you don't want |
3651s | to get into an argument we're bout it |
3652s | with other players which is fair enough |
3653s | then you can come on with discord and |
3655s | post that and it goes straight to us no |
3657s | one else can see it yep cool right I'm |
3660s | actually going ready to end the street |
3661s | now hopefully we'll have a nice |
3662s | transition and not have the stream |
3664s | they're streaming ended pop up out of |
3666s | the blue and drop it on what channel is |
3671s | it called up this code the one you just |
3673s | referred to |
3674s | it's called comp feedback hidden I think |
3676s | that makes sense yeah okay cool so I |
3679s | think that we'll wrap it up as always |
3681s | everyone I'll go fire outlet scape at |
3682s | the end the stream in just a few more |
3684s | minutes but yeah that will summarize |
3687s | everything we've tried to cover as much |
3688s | as we can in relation to the two people |
3691s | on the couch and what the power of which |
3692s | is ninja and a lot of people asking |
3698s | about Master Quest cape so currently the |
3699s | plan is some of master corps escapees at |
3702s | tier 2 some of mastico escapees at tier |
3703s | 3 the master quest cape appearance will |
3705s | be the tier 2 raw cape and then there'll |
3708s | be a new tier 3 appearance |
3712s | which will have some of the more |
3713s | challenging requirements on and possibly |
3714s | more unlawful cool so you absolutely |
3717s | sure that's the last one no there could |
3719s | be enough hoping there would be another |
3721s | question so I think that will do it |
3724s | though everyone as always as a reminder |
3726s | of course we have next Tuesday stream |
3727s | will post information for that stream as |
3731s | we get ready to wrap up but just before |
3732s | we do that I want to make sure that I |
3734s | don't miss it |
3736s | modern eqi knows watching stream is |
3738s | updated my script you able to push |
3739s | stream info for next weekend or do we |
3741s | still have it up in the air before we |
3743s | wrap up because I want obviously excite |
3745s | people about the next stream but if not |
3746s | then we can't oh it's a mysterious perk |
3749s | mysterious Perkins no it's not all about |
3751s | all we can say really yes there is more |
3754s | and I'm clearly dragging the stream on |
3756s | longer we want it needs there was a good |
3758s | bit feedback there which is coming again |
3759s | overlay with our social media yeah so I |
3762s | do know the production guys have been |
3764s | looking into a some way of adding a bit |
3766s | more of a overlay esque stuff to the |
3768s | stream so maybe being able to bring in |
3771s | Twitter questions and stuff which I be |
3773s | really cool because we do a property |
3775s | could do little wipe just plastic things |
3776s | and we just pull what do you want to |
3777s | have like a little laminated plastic |
3779s | thing yeah what's going on oh that's hot |
3782s | we could just hold them up every now and |
3787s | then ourselves like you still got a four |
3788s | wherever you can I just say that I like |
3790s | that the person behind the cameras is |
3792s | just waiting to put the viewing stream |
3801s | next Tuesday stream is marked down as a |
3804s | Content showcase so yeah keep an eye out |
3808s | for that one and apart from that that |
3812s | brings to the end and I'm gonna say you |
3815s | can't really take because well we are |
3816s | actually out here so take care everyone |
3818s | and have a good |
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3828s | [Applause] |
3830s | [Music] |
3836s | [Music] |
3837s | [Applause] |
3839s | [Music] |
3842s | [Applause] |
3845s | you |