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over 3 years ago - /u/HiRezAjax - Direct link

tbh I don't think I would consider this a bug, nor would I know how to fix it.

This is kind of a staple of video games, if you hover a character or an attack right on the edge of 2 different states, a few things are going to happen.

  • the character/attack is going to quickly alternate between either state

  • the character/attack is going to pick one state and dead-zone or time-lock you out of the other state

We intentionally chose to go with option 1 so players have more control, but can get in a state where the game essentially tries to check state A or B every frame (60 times a second) - which can result in it changing on you.

So... just pick a side more decisively?

EDIT: it might be possible to make it so the "portal doesnt lie to you" but it is likely occurring due to the reasoning i provided and might not be possible to fix unless you'de prefer a quickly flickering blue/orange targeter. Sorry I could have been more specific and thanks to OP for adding the more specific comment.

EDIT2.0: OH! i forgot sometimes things exactly like this behave differently on jungle practice than in online games, due to additional server client checks that dont happen in jungle prac. I wonder if its better or worse in a real game...

over 3 years ago - /u/HiRezAjax - Direct link

Originally posted by Rocketgurk

EDIT: it might be possible to make it so the "portal doesnt lie to you" but it is likely occurring due to the reasoning i provided and might not be possible to fix unless you'de prefer a quickly flickering blue/orange targeter. Sorry I could have been more specific and thanks to OP for adding the more specific comment.

I tested some more and the occurence is definitely easily replicable in jungle practice.

I also tried creating an orange portal that behaved like a blue one (so the the whole thing reversed), but I was unable to.

EDIT: I was wrong, I am now able to replicate this by moving backwards instead of forward.

I am sure that it has something to do with moving while creating a portal. As I was unable to recreate the occurence while standing still.

OH! i forgot sometimes things exactly like this behave differently on jungle practice than in online games, due to additional server client checks that dont happen in jungle prac. I wonder if its better or worse in a real game...

It definitely happened to me in a real game, as that was the reason I tried to replicate this in jungle practice.

gotcha, thanks for the extra testing.

over 3 years ago - /u/HiRezAjax - Direct link

Originally posted by Rocketgurk

Okay! I think I found an answer.

So I just found out that moving forward or backward slightly shifts your camera into the opposite direction. If you stop, it returns to its original position. This affects your targeter.

Maybe an engine quirk? As the ability outlines are always attached to the god but the camera + targeter is basically behaving like it's affected by the force of the acceleration.

I recreated a similar behaviour like Yemojas riptide problem with Sun Wukongs 72 Transformations.

Both of these abilities are affected by the slight shift of the camera, which also moves your targeter.

The difference is that Sun Wukong doesn't "lie" to you.

Even if you placed the targeter at the edge between transformations, while standing still and shift it by walking forward or backwards, it will always tell you the truth about which transformation you will turn into.

Yemojas targeter on the other hand keeps the the first selected portal color while standing still.

Even if you then shift the targeter over the edge by walking in a specific direction, it will keep the original selected color.

So the targeter shifts but the visuals don't keep up. Which makes you able to create the "wrong coloured" portals.

I don't know how similar 72 Transformation and Riptides targeters code is, but it might be worth looking into that, to fix this. I also prefer my targeter telling the truth even if it might visually switch around more. ;)

haha fair enough, thanks for the exceedingly detailed report!

over 3 years ago - /u/HiRezAjax - Direct link

Originally posted by Rocketgurk

Just because I already recorded this stuff and maybe to visualize everything a little better:

Shifting the targeter by walking

Comparison of both abilities:

Yemoja is a liar, Sun Wukong isn't

Thank you for looking at my post.

I do have a question, is this the best way to report bugs ? The Trello Board still lists the Forum as another option. Which one is preferred?

Reddit/twitter is usually best