[2020] If you truly feel the game is broken and want it to get fixed, then logout and stop playing.

Originally posted by randomZ0MBIE

I'm sorry to hit you back up like this. I don't necessarily expect you to read this, it is more a thing I want to say, just to say it.

Up until now your game has existed as a particular entity. When people logged in to play it, they expect the systems to be designed a certain way, they expect the mechanics to work certain way, and they expect the game-play to feel a certain way as they play it.

It sounds like you have decided that you want to change that so you can refocus your attention toward a different demographic. That is fine, you are well within your rights as a creative entity to do that. But if you are going to change the core experience of the game such so that it is clearly scaled for that new demographic, you should also be prepared for a portion of your current and previous play-base to become displeased, and possibly leave out of frustration and discontent.

I believe this current situation is a small general idea of what that unhappiness would look like.

Originally posted by Baelorn

it's also clear that there seems to be a difficulty spike for players that happens somewhere between hard and challenging and causes frustration

The difficulty is all over the place even on Hard. Sometimes I'm taking down Bosses/Named NPCs like it is Normal and other times I'll come up against regular enemies(Purple/Red) that make it feel like Heroic.

It doesn't help that this patch note doesn't seem to be true in practice:

Item power, quality and quantity now scales more strongly with difficulty.

While you will see less loot drops overall the quality of items you acquire will be higher and you have the option to increase the quality by tackling harder challenges.

My gear hasn't changed much since I upped the Difficulty because I am finding zero upgrades playing on Hard. My recal library is stocked with good individual rolls but I have no pieces worth using those rolls on. I've played ~20 hours in the past few days and have nothing to show for it. That should not be happening.

I finally got an Exotic(Chameleon) earlier and it was worthless. Terrible rolls across the board and low base damage. Not even an upgrade and it's the only Exotic weapon I've gotten since WoNY dropped.

I also hope you're looking at the people who are able to do Heroic right now and seeing how many of them have near-perfect gear from the early DZ bug because that is not at all representative of the loot the rest of us are getting.

A bit off-topic but still relevant: Many of the old missions were clearly designed for a totally different state of balance and they need to be re-tuned if things stay the way they are now. DARPA Labs is a serious offender of this with the number of enemies and how often you are forced from cover.

Originally posted by onframe

I really encourage you to not take reddit to heart, we see a reactionary thing here, if you type Warlords of New York build in Youtube, you see all bunch of amazing guides, listed some of them here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/fg9tdb/this_subreddit_should_have_sticky_thread_with/

You guys did an amazing job with new gear, of course nothing is perfect, but we see more builds, and tank/healer roles finally comes through so it's a really good start to build on it further, with some tweaks it will be amazing, positives far outshine the negatives. Also there is completely different community reaction on discord, we see much more engagement with current difficulty and gear system, people come up with crazy stuff.

Keep it up guys, stay motivated! And fix Hard Wired backpack talent!!! :D

Originally posted by imgrundz

Can y'all please consider explaining why PvP was made to feel like CoD? TTK in PvE is long, but PvP is .2 seconds. Even with 1.4 million armor, TTK is still .2 seconds. I can shred through a 10 mil shield in about a clip fully proc-ed and that's just not right. Please talk about PvP modifiers, because even though a lot of PvE-ers are in the DZ for farming, A LOT of PvP-ers have just flat out left with this TTK change. It feels really bad to play considering what this game is about -- building. Armor feels meaningless in PvP. Engagements are so short-winded, they become unrewarding. I want to work to down a tank, I don't want to kill anyone in 1/2 a clip.

Originally posted by garliccrisps

stopping to play to proof a point doesn't really help anybody

Helps me stay sane.

Originally posted by randomZ0MBIE

OP here. I am by no means trying to be combative or antagonistic. Just want to get that out of the way first.

But up until now the dev response has been "It's too early tell. Grind more, and optimize."

You didn't even acknowledge the possibility that there was something wrong until people here started talking about leaving the game.

I understand game development can be a difficult process, with a lot moving parts. I also understand that a development studio can be an ungainly beast that takes time and effort to get moving. I was actually a programmer at a certain studio in Dallas, Tx. before I left the industry to get a medical degree.

Most of us would just like to know if this going to resolved, and if so, what is that resolution going to like. This way we can decide if we want to stay and tough it out, or move on to greener pastures.

Edit: I forgot to add people were already speed running Heroic a few days after launch, I was one of them. Most of the complaints here stem from the tedium and frustration involved with completing missions on the higher difficulties not the actual challenge.

Originally posted by yasuoionia

LOL, I have 80%+40% weapon dmg 60% CHC 130% CHD 85% headshot dmg, yet your develop team is still playing lvl31-40 content telling us it is not hard at all? How about you run a 4 man heroic mission and go live I really wish to see please teach me how to play this game please :) heroic drops are no difference from normal or hard drops, your team is a joke. YOU should play this game, not just look at the data and the codes and act tough towards your playerbase, unless you want div1 1.4 to happen again. What you are doing now is USELESS.

Originally posted by Bill_Dexhart

There's no difference between 600k armor and 1.6 mil. We all get shredded in 2 hits and the AI pushes you constantly despite being shot at by the whole team.

Originally posted by Bill_Dexhart

Difficulty: Challenging/Heroic

No Directives

Coordinated Co-op

I have 2 builds. One focused on 3 yellow and 3 reds that has nice rolls. The other build is a work in progress shield build. I expect to be squishy but 2/3 shots.

I have a friend who used a full skill build with the chem launcher and revive hive.

My other friends build I don't know much about but he has at least 1.2 mil armor and he says he doesn't see the difference between 600k and 1.2 mil and I don't either.

Originally posted by onframe

Reddit has a huge design flaw with upvote system, only 1 opinion gets through sometimes, that's why it would be nice if mods here pinned FAQ/Guide thread on top page including some guides for current update to help new/returning players.

After each update we see emotional reaction, it's a bit sad because new players might get a wrong idea as well and this game really deserved Destiny 2 levels of attention I feel.

Anyway good luck with development, I'm sure you guys already have some nice data on how it all went after release, also Manhunt system looks good as much as I managed to try it, feels like a new PVE mode in a way.

Originally posted by Pluth

Why can't the team just play the game and see all the problems for themselves? It shouldn't be hard to just fire up the game, put on 1.6m armor and then proceed to get blown to bits.

Originally posted by mugulu

Currently it seems like we didn't make it clear enough that you shouldn't be able to speed run heroic a few days after the expansion launches but it's also clear that there seems to be a difficulty spike for players that happens somewhere between hard and challenging and causes frustration.

There is a difference between speed running heroic and spend more than 1 hour on a mission for trash loots. I was lucky enough to have a good LMG build (90WD/60CHC/90CHD/100HSD) and I can say the NPC's health pool is ridiculous. I' won't even go on the damage scale were NPC kill me with one burst at any difficulty.

Seriously NPC have huge amount of health, they walk toward you in the open while taking damage, flank you and kill you with one burst. Tha's fun ?

I'm not saying heroic isn't doable, it just a chore and not fun at all especially for the loot quality and time invested.

\ sorry for my poor english*

Originally posted by helloledbetter

I'm not sure if you are gonna read this but I hope you take some feedback from many points of view back to Massive. For instance, I don't want Massive to change too much as a knee-jerk to this reddit. As a mostly solo/solitaire but also small group player I really enjoy the sandbox now compared to before. Engangements are actually challenging both my tactics and skill somewhat. Having thie fights be longer and more drawn out adds a layer to that we were definitely missing before. I actually feel motivated to go out and get god rolls where before even half-assed builds would blaze through challenging missions so what was the point of min/maxing? I feel like the new talent system might be a bit boring ATM (plz I can haz stop, drop, and roll back?) but it has ALOT of design space (room for power creep) where the old system was already allowing everyone to be OP so what else could possibly be added that people wouldn't say is pointless/useless. I'm excited to see how Massive uses that new space in the first couple seasons. If Massive "rebalances" the game to quiet everyone down here, I'll be disappointed, as will my clanmantes. We all feel the game should be this hard, and people should not be able to have builds where you're a god in everything. Named enemies are definitely more bullet-spongey, but before I was killing General Ridgeway before he even got to cover every time. Now? Even on Hard he put up a good fight- I had no idea about the mechanics of that fight because it was always over so fast, I'm glad I actually had to dodge some rockets and shoot his drones. If you made it this far, thanks for reading, Chris.

Originally posted by xstNz

Well here's a PVP'er reaching out. Armor matters nothing in it's current form without some damage mitigation. At 1380 rpm at 85k a bullet with 60% CHC and 120% CHD and 60% HS damage it really doesn't matter. That's 6871400 damage in a 47 round mag at 1400 rpm is 23.3 bullets per second is 3435700 damage per second.
Have 700k health or 1.7m health. IT DOES NOT MATTER. Especially without any sort of damage mitigation. Do I think a 700k dps build should die fast? HELL YEA! But should someone who puts a few points in armor(1.1m for 2 blues 4 reds) die even remotely as fast? No and a 6 blue 1.7m "tank"? EVEN MORE NO!
Did anyone do the math on this at all?

I am going to say a dirty word Division 2 dev's don't like because of Division 1. DAMAGE MITIGATION BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF ARMOR ONE HAS. I am not talking extreme levels like in Division one of 65% percent or 88% pre-1.3. But perhaps EACH BLUE POINT ADDS 3-5% DAMAGE MITIGATION.

But that's just PVP.

I don't want to get started on the issues with PVE by going full in depth but I will elaborate: Scaling health and damage does not make for a fun experience. Loot vs mission time and the aforementioned issue make everything feel TEDIOUS and more like a CHORE than something I enjoy doing. Some people have echoed it before and I totally feel this way: I DO NOT FEEL LIKE A DIVISION AGENT. I feel like a kid with a slingshot and cardboard armor. The only viable builds are FULL DAMAGE and status effect disrupts to stop incoming damage. Cause whether I have 1.7m or 600k if a heroic mob sneezes I lose it all anyway so my only DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE and even that feels lackluster. AI knows its HP is much higher than yours even when you're a tank and will push you into oblivion. YOu have adressed this issue before but health and damage scaling(which is really all that changes between challenge and heroic) just pushes this issue into complete overdrive.

How the hell is a fire status effect literally the most deadly thing in the game. How is poison second? You don't even get a chance to react or heal or anything.

Finally, I think WONY on the whole is a good expansion. But you have missed a PRICELESS oppertunity with the SHD watch.
Damage mitigation from mobs/protection from elites. If one of the levelup options was a straight PVE damage mitigation/protect from elites/mobs type deal then a level 999 agent would be more equipped to deal with Legendary/raid/heroic and would feel like they would actually get stronger.

I can spend an hour in DZ and get 100 items of which 10 are godrolled.. or I can spend 45ish mins doing a heroic mission and getting around 10 items maybe 1 of which has some decent stats.

But.... even when I am done farming the DZ, there is no pve content I want to do because it literally all feels like a chore. I don't feel like a division agent. I feel like an officeworker.

The gameplay loop is broken for me and whilst I would like to tackle things like Legendary Capital hill, the only option is to run 3glass cannons(1tardigrade) and a vanguard. And guess what, I still am not having fun doing it. I really wish I was though.

The damage the mobs put out is too absurd. I don't even use armor kits anymore. Cause it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by stitchlo

I mean, someone post something on the internet and you guys are here telling people stop playing won‘t help. Then I will say, stop playing the game definitely get your attention and it will be helpful on fixing the game. And maybe you should hear what a veteran said rather than hear some newbie who don’t even know how to put their gear together. Btw, I am welcome if the development team play legendary difficulty on stream, and tell me the same bs you said right here. I don’t care you put all your gear pieces to god roll, just play it once and tell me the same thing again. I dare you will try. Keep up the good work, you guys just ruining the game, nothing serious. I would like to see after borderland 3 release, how much your ‘data’ will get worse. Oh, you remind me, about the endless progression system, take a look at borderland 3. In case if you guys don’t know how to fix the game, I believe borderland, poe or maybe just take a look on division 1, your own work and creation, I guess you guys may find out why the current state of the game make player disappointed.

Something extra though, maybe you should realise division2 is a pve game, I do know some player enjoy pvp but plz stop balance your skill and perks with pvp concept and make a division agent like kids playing nerf gun when the enemy using all the fancy tech and god-like guns.

Originally posted by _Sense_

How do you end up with a bug at the start of the release that gives everyone god roll loot? That ruined your first game (falcon lost) and now it’s happened here again.

Like I said...you guys don’t learn anything and clearly don’t QA.

Originally posted by Brokeng3ars

Chris I'm not sure what's going on with you guys but you keep talking about not being able to reset CP's is the issue but thats not the main issue.

The main issue is that CP's don't get retaken EVER. There are 0 attack groups and no enemies in the overworld once you take all CP's.

For every single player that has taken all the CP's in NY not one single CP has been even so much as attacked since the moment they took one. This kills all reason and enjoyment to explore the open world.

PLEASE let the community know you guys are aware of this because right now it seems you're not and it's really worrying!

Originally posted by opinions_unpopular

You’re really missing the problem. At level 30 WT 4 I am experiencing on NORMAL 1 shots taking 100% armor and 70% health. That’s not right and it’s not just Heroic. Armor seems useless. The scaling and pacing make no sense.

Discuss having a PTR for PC at least to weed out these issues sooner.