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Just like what the title says, Mika Daime from the PH got called out by Wardell and Player1 for using an aimbot. She defended herself saying that there was just an input lag hence the sus "flick" involving Cypher. What do you guys think?

Player1's reaction: https://www.twitch.tv/playerr/clip/CautiousVainWolfSquadGoals
Wardell's reaction: https://www.facebook.com/2Staxx/videos/768377130651805/

Full clip in question: https://www.facebook.com/DaimeMika/videos/2725316804237791/

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almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotRaykay - Direct link

Normally, we don't want to add to the publicity of any individual case, but because this one's getting a little out of hand: Mika is innocent.

We've completed a thorough investigation of Mika's gameplay, and while the clips might be suspicious individually, we're confident that cheating software was not utilized for the accused sessions.

Keep the reports coming, but leave the sentencing to us. !pin

almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotRaykay - Direct link

Originally posted by LordGemi

You should prove to us how it's legit just like how we gave proof of why we think it is cheating. Give and take, educate us since we are wrong.

Maybe give which clips u checked, which riot ID u checked (if it matches with her account on stream), which PC did u check ( she was using a sponsored pc on her stream Intel NUC Ghost canyon?? ) etc. Please do not say Vanguard did not find a cheat because it is not perfect.

Tell us why we're wrong with proof so this will hopefully not happen again.

Taking your word for it is so lame and feels like talking to a corrupt government.

Looking forward to the knowledge.

I am sorry I can't give you the proof you seek or expect you to believe our decision here. When I first saw the clips yesterday I thought it was cheating along with many people on my team. However our investigation process looked at many sources of data that brought us to this outcome. I can't give you this data. It would undermine our strategy and violate data privacy. 

I would challenge you to look at this in another way. Anti-cheat is an arms race we are fighting every minute of every day. Sometimes we are winning and sometimes we are getting kicked in the teeth learning. The ability to adapt and respond to threats over time is the measure of a good Anti-cheat team. You should judge our effort and my team on the experience you are getting in Valorant. Not some random case of cheating in normals. 

To educate My primary reason for posting in the first place was to get a head of the witch hunting. I have been in Anti-cheat long enough to see this play out a few times. It ends up hurting the community more than helping while taking the focus away from real threats. I don't expect you to trust what I say but I am confident in my team's ability to adapt and deliver. 

almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotRaykay - Direct link

Originally posted by ily112

Do people really think Riot owes it to a REDDIT thread to spend man-hours proving to nameless, faceless people that someone isn't a cheater? Really? Ignoring the fact that NO game fully details how they find cheaters (due to obvious reasons), that's such a ridiculous and narcissistic viewpoint lmfao.

You should prove to us

Riot did their job. Either they did it poorly, or not. But that's nothing anybody on reddit can find out, None of us have any say, idea, or access in determining whether someone is a cheater beyond the anti-cheat team.

This dude gets it, time will tell if we did poorly or not.

almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotRaykay - Direct link

Originally posted by veryblueberry

I can't say I'm sure because I didn't experience it first hand. I also don't have experience developing anti-cheats, an am super confident in Vanguard (I've never experienced any blatant cheaters.) I also recognize you can't give out information on players, and I'll try to avoid asking about that.

But can't you say with confidence that this is exactly what cheat developers want? They aren't developing something that'll get caught immediately, and even with review from multiple people, how confident can you be in this decision? It's an arms race, and if this decision ends up being false, it's a win for the developers, they know something they made slipped through Vanguard.

Personally, it was the crosshair placement for me. When detecting a cheater, do you consider factors like this? Lots would argue that this level of 'gamesense' can't be linked to this level of aim, but again, I'm no anti-cheat dev, so I can't be sure. Like I said, I didn't watch this live, and I haven't watched much of this player outside of these clips.

No hate at all here. Honestly, I hope it this is an isolated incident of the community jumping on something incorrectly, and the witch hunting is embarrassing for those involved. Thanks for actually participating in these conversations, and keep up the good work on Vanguard.

Good questions, You are right in thinking that this is exactly what cheat dev's would want. Signal on if your cheat services are being detected or not. It is part of why you should never come out and say someone is or is not cheating. ;) We do consider a wide range of factors and game data is vital. Good security strategies in this space are about layers of defense. If you're just trusting a single layer you're going to have a hard time knowing if you have been bypassed or not. Detection is an important layer but IMO preventing the cheat from loading is even more important when you can.