about 2 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

I think the big problem is that you are focusing on you compared to your girlfriend when you guys are not at the same point values, and you just started queuing together. Also some of the mechanics of ranked give you higher point values when you promote.

So first off, when you are promoted if your point values fall below 10 we will raise your RR so you start at 10. This is to give you a nice buffer, and give you a 1 loss buffer until you demote. It looks like the match your gf got more points as a promotion game so I wouldn't be surprised if the points that were added from her promotion were why she received more points than you.(this is also true of your promotion game where you got 25)

Another thing to point out is that you are at a different rank in some of these matches. For example lets say you are Gold 1 MMR, and your GF is Silver 3 MMR. When she is Silver 2 she would be the same distance from her MMR as you if you are at Silver 3(one rank away). So technically you would be gaining roughly the same amount of RR because you both are 1 rank away from your MMR. Even tho you may be performing better, you are both 1 rank away. Remember your Journey is not the same as your girlfriends.

This also isn't taking into account that she had an MMR before you queued together. There is a good chance that she had a pretty good MMR before you guys grouped. Just because you played X amount of games together doesn't invalidate games you both played before this point not grouped.

We could also talk a little bit about encounter MMR. There were people pointing it out in this thread, ability usage and how "effective" a player is during a match is a part of their MMR calculation. This is because there are impactful players that don't top frag, you could argue a player that has only 6 kills but happened to have clutched 4-5 rounds could have a bigger impact then a player who drops 20 kills. MMR tries to take a look at player impact. ALSO encounter cares about the players you encounter and their MMR. Lets say you play a match against 4 silver and 1 gold player. If you were constantly killing/winning against the silver players, but losing against the gold player, BUT your girlfriend was always wining against the gold player she would benefit greatly from that. Think of it this way, you would get way more MMR from slaying/winning against TenZ rather than winning against a random Silver. So not only are abilities/assists/site takes/plants/defusals/etc. a factor, who you kill/die to is also a factor. If your GF killed their highest skill player regularly, while you may have been fragging out on their low skill player, there is a chance she actually has better MMR then you.(altho based on the image it looks like you still have higher MMR)

Your point gains are not based on you popping off, we base your point gains on your MMR. This is because it makes it easier, especially at the high ranks, to give appropriate point values. It also tries to disincentive "Frag Out" and push the mindset "Playing to Win". There technically is a small performance bonus, but it's only 2-4 points usually(it can go higher but it's extremely rare). There are 4 things that will make up your RR points at the end of the match:

  1. Winning/Losing gives you points.
  2. Round Difference gives you points, so winning more rounds increase your RR.
  3. Performance bonus, this is based you vs yourself not your teammates. You get more performance for doing better then the game expected, essentially gaining more MMR from the match then the game thought you would. So it's not about fragging out, it's about having a better match then you normally do/are expected to.
  4. All of those point values are then multiplied by how far your rank is from your MMR.

While having a good game, and getting a bunch of MMR and a good performance bonus, can give you a small amount of extra RR it isn't going to make a huge RR gain difference. BUT that match will also be increasing your MMR which will also increase the points you gain on average.

There are a ton of factors why your point values may not be the same as your girlfriends, but at the end of the day you are both on your own journey. Not only will you probably never be at the same RR values, you both are going to have very different MMR's as well. You seem to be climbing, even tho you promoted you are still getting very good point values, this shows that not only are you climbing RR you are also increasing your MMR at the same time. Just keep it up, and focus more on how you can play better, have a bigger round impact, and you'll continue to kill it and climb!

about 2 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by bapoyxd

Thank you so much for your in-depth response!

Its clear to me now that MMR is a lot more nuanced than I originally thought lol. I also see that although we may be duoing every game together, our ranked journeys are still very much individualized and our RR gains can't really be compared. I think the aspect that pertains to me the most is the performance bonuses, as i'm essentially competing against myself. If i'm getting this right, I may be doing better than my gf, but I am still given an average amount of points in relation to my average performance.

I will be sure to keep the other sides of MMR in mind as I continue my climb. Once again thank you so much for your detailed response!

No problem, thanks for bringing your concerns and questions forward! Alot of ranked systems give you points based on individual matches and the skill/mmr of the opponents you play against. We definitely are a little different in that our points are based on your MMR and not an individual match outcome. Good luck out there!