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about 3 years ago - /u/Altombre - Direct link

Originally posted by Phoneringer

Where are the yoru/viper changes? I was really looking forward to some gameplay changes either to agents or weapons. People keep mentioning it's because of some tournament going on but then when is that going to be over?

Masters is getting played on this patch, so we’re avoiding disruptive changes (Astra isn’t available to play in Masters so she’s an exception).

For full transparency, 2.05 will likely be a lighter patch as well as we keep an eye on Astra’s launch and ensure it’s healthy. Past that point though, we have a gap in tournaments and some time where we may be able to ship some of those changes in that 2.06-2.09 window.

about 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by mrbow

You can now queue with a wider group of friends and teammates if you are at the lower ranks (see below image)

We also hope this helps combat smurfing by reducing the incentive to make a new account to play with lower rank friends.

This only means smurfs will be able to play with their boosted friends longer before creating a new account. Even more with the other part of the update

Later this patch, we’ll reduce the total amount of average RR per win/loss by 5

I might be wrong and hindsighted on this conclusion, but it seems they have different teams tweaking different parts and don't really test their hypothesis considering all the changes.

You gotta remember that if someone is going to smurf it's pretty easy to tank placements, or play placements and most likely be around bronze to silver anyways(or tank to iron). So realistically the only thing that was stopping players from grouping up was making an alt account, and tanking it, to play with their friends.

With this change we have a better idea of players actual MMR(because they are more likely to stay on their main), we can make more fair matches, and there are lots and lots of players grouping up at lower ranks to let us make fair matches.

We have some other ideas to help with 5 stacking and other things like smurfing, and we are aware this change is a little spicy. If we are seeing unfair match making issues, we can always change the group restrictions. We just got massive feedback that players really wanted to play with their friends and we felt like we could make that experience better for lower ranks.

about 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by attackofthehut

Don’t know how I feel about going to 70rr instead of 80 on demotion. Probably going to end up driving me insane to have to win 2 to rank back up.

A little confusing, but this just means that demotion protection is at 70 instead of 80.

Previously if you were to lose 30 points, the system would stop you at 80. Now the system stops you at 70RR. So realistically, because you can't lose more then 30(unless you AFK), you will always demote to exactly whatever your ranked rating loss amount was.

about 3 years ago - /u/RiotBrighteyz - Direct link

Originally posted by firee98

Which rank when playing placement games? will I get my higher act rank or just the last rank I played on?

Last rank you played on. So, you will start the new Act at the same rank you ended the last Act with.

about 3 years ago - /u/Altombre - Direct link

Originally posted by Phoneringer

That's understandable. I think you guys mentioned you would try to make separate builds so that this wouldn't happen in the future. Is this still going on or will future big updates always be delayed if there are big tournaments on the horizon?

Yeah, we're working on the tournament realm stuff right now, so this is a temporary problem - that being said, we DO want to keep tournaments & live as similar as possible, just because we think it's exciting to see pro teams playing in the same meta as live. But, it won't necessarily be a blocker like it can feel like at times right now.

about 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by kingLAWZA

As I didn't play last Act (Was Immortal 2 in Ep1 Act 3), what would I start with? Will I be capped at plat 3?

Yes, each episode will have some sort of soft reset and if you haven't played ranked yet you are held to those rules.

about 3 years ago - /u/Altombre - Direct link

Originally posted by 1800DARKSOULS

can you let us see ranks in game again not a fan of this change

Sorry, I just work on gameplay, not game systems - can't speak to anything on this front since I lack context

about 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by kingLAWZA

Does the fact about RR gains being decreased by 5 later in the act still affect me? Say if I choose to play later in the act rather than now, I will gain less/lose more per game?

TECHNICALLY if you are climbing yes you will get 5 less points. On the flip side you also lose 5 less points. So in reality it won't effect you in a big way.

That's why I really wanted it messaged, just so players know we are planning this. Honestly I wouldn't worry about it, it is targeted at some RR inflation issues we are seeing in the 100's of games area. This change isn't intended to make you grind more, and in fact due to convergence you should still converge with your actual MMR(if you haven't yet) in the same amount of games.

about 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by bsheep014

So there's no kind of hidden mmr reset this act? :/

No hidden MMR reset.

I've seen this come up and I see a few big streamers, or pro players, pushing the idea that we need a hidden MMR reset. I think players are putting too much emphasis on players having a good/bad match on them being in a rank they don't belong(or having boosted/smurf players in their game).

I don't think we will ever full reset MMR(altho never say never). It would be pure match making chaos. Every match would be a mix of players of all skills, and you would flip a coin hoping your team had the higher ranked player(or the immortal/radiant player). It would then take all players tons of games to explode the MMR system outward and fix ranks. This isn't as bad when a game launches, because there are so many players learning the game and new players that the skill difference between players is smaller. After a game has been out, the skill from a top player to a new/average player can be pretty drastic.

We will be doing soft resets every Episode. We also are investigating how we do these types of things, how strong the soft reset is, etc. It's also difficult because we see players on both sides - complaints about being reset and having to climb again or complaints about no reset occurring. We believe per episode reset is currently a healthy place to put MMR Soft Resets.

We also have a confidence system in MMR. So if a player does not play Valorant for an extended period it will start to get unsure of where that player belongs MMR wise. When they come back it will test them, and if that player has gotten worse in skill(from being gone) their MMR will drop a little bit. This is the same as a player suddenly increasing in skill and their confidence shifting from it.

Hope that helps explain a bit!

about 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by kingLAWZA

Hi, at what point does one’s hidden MMR decrease if the player keeps losing at a lower ELO?

For example, if my Hidden MMR is Immortal but I’ve played 30 games at diamond and haven’t ranked up, is my MMR decreased and reflected in RR gains/losses? Or would a number such as 50 games be more accurate?

Or does the system react faster, e.g. in 15 games? And is it the amount of games in the episode or act or overall (since start of Ep1Act1)

It's hard to say, it really depends on the player.

For example TenZ got an account to Radiant MMR in 20 matches from placements. I've also seen a boosted player go from immortal to plat in 20-30 games.

I can confidently say that if for some reason your skill is drastically somewhere different, it corrects quickly. But the problem is how drastically you shift, how you are performing, match out comes, MMR of opponents, etc. So I don't have a solid answer.

One thing to remember is that MMR is simply a ladder. Sure there is some complex math in how you are climbing, or going down, that ladder. But everyone is on it, no one is tied, and players are always shifting. If you belong somewhere else other players will either be pushed down, or push you down, as you move up and down the ladder.

I would say, at most, after a fresh account(or episode) placements you should probably be at your skill in 20-50 games. That being said, high ranks may take longer because of leaderboard, the high point values in upper ranks, and us wanting to make sure we catch cheaters before they get to the leaderboard.