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I started playing a couple of months ago, around the start of Episode 2, Act 3. This was my first tac shooter so obviously I sucked. Won my ten unrated and did my five ranked placement matches. I lost all five. Placed Iron 2. Honestly better than I expected. I was sure I’d be Iron 1. Played a lot since then and I’ve gotten better. Nothing crazy, but just natural the more you play the better you get kinda growth. It felt good to actually see myself getting better at the game. Still finished the season Iron 2. No problem, it’s not like I was grading ranked like crazy or anything.

Two days ago I finished my last placement game for the Episode 3, Act 1 season. I won all five games this time. I wasn’t going crazy like top fragging every game or anything like that but I was almost always at least top three on my team, top five in the game. It felt really good to do that much better than last season. I was so excited to see how I’d place after going 5-0 especially after going 0-5 last season. I was placed Iron 2. Exactly the same as when I went winless. Felt super deflated when I saw that. Real bubble burst moment.

So honestly what’s the point of the placement games if they don’t seem to matter if you win then or lose them? Is this just an Iron thing? I really don’t get it. Thanks for reading my story anyone who did.

TLDR: went 0-5 last Act got placed Iron 2. Went 5-0 this Act also got placed Iron 2.

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over 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by DerpimusNoobimus

so here’s the thing. people are placing lower than they would’ve last act, and i mean everybody. it probably has to do with the diamond 3 cap but there also seems to be some randomness bs to it. the other factor might be that your hidden mmr is kind of low. for me, cause i play on 20 frames, my hidden mmr sucks ass. yeah i might be decent at the game when i actually get any frames but that never happens so i’m always doing bad so the game just thinks i’m absolute garbage. ergo, i get place with low rank players, i do bad, the game thinks i’m bad. it’s a vicious cycle. your hidden mmr being a tad bit low and the games bs placement probably put you below where you should be. just keep playing and stay positive. look for room to improve and im sure you’ll rank up.

We removed a system that could potentially lead to your MMR feeling hardstuck in Episode 3. By removing this system we had to make changes to match making slightly. We used data to compare against the old system, and found out match making would get more accurate/fair by doing this.

You have two MMR's in Valorant, Encounter and Win/loss. Your one MMR is made up of those two. In low ranked Encounter is valued more, this helps us combat smurfing because high ranking players are more consistant in their performance. In higher ranks Win/Loss becomes a bigger factor.

Because of us pulling out that system that may have had players feeling like they were "hard stuck", on top of the weighting changes of the two MMR's that make up your real MMR, it's causing big movement for some players. There are players that may have been held down in the old system climbing easier, there also is a chance that players who were being held up above their actual MMR are going to drop down.

All part of the fun of working on a ranked/match-making system! We are monitoring and will continue to do so.

over 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

I'm sorry you didn't see increases in your ranked after placements! It's an interesting pain point, I'll add it to my list of feedback and think on it more. I try to maintain a document of player feedback each act and see if there are things we can act on.

Every episode we do "Squish" ranks. This just pushes all ranks downwards. It helps us fight boosted accounts, accounts that are inactive, and also prevents ranked inflation. This is just to make sure people don't get to a rank, and then sit at that rank and don't really play the game anymore(or if the community improves past that player, they don't get to sit in a rank they no longer they belong).

Remember the whole community is getting better at Valorant. You are definitely getting better, but so is the whole community. To climb you need to get better faster then those around you.

I believe!!! You can get out of Iron and hopefully you see some positive improvements :)

over 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by unmadaka

Hi, thank you so much for participating in this discussion.

After playing a few placement matches this session, a question came to my mind. It is about a solo player playing his placement matches(unrated) and matched with premades (4 party). I am just wondering whether you and your team has thought about how the surrendering of matches will affect the placement of the solo player since now only 4 votes are needed to surrender in unrated?

I am really curious about this and a reply will be really appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Definitely have thought about this.

The amount of players that four stack is very small, and so is your chance as an individual to get paired on their team. BUT it still happens, so that really shouldn't be an excuse to not do anything.

Encounter MMR would help you here. Yes you may have to take a loss, and it feels bad because 4 players are forcing you into it, but all the kills and duels you had in the match still can make you gain MMR. If you are winning duels, but still lose, your encounter MMR can actually go up. Depending on the rank, especially if you are lower rank, you can actually have your MMR overall go up because encounter means more than your win/loss.

I have other concerns about 4v1 toxicity etc. In the end, you should have very few 4+1 matches, and that should reduce how often you get into these situations. Also because you do have encounter MMR you still have something that is taking into account your skill in that match.

over 3 years ago - /u/EvrMoar - Direct link

Originally posted by [deleted]

Does individual performace still matter? I’m the lowest rank of my queue and I usually end up above 2-3 of my friends but always gain the least amount. I’m low plat 1 with my friends being plat2-dia

Individual performance does matter.

Encounter MMR is your individual performance for every fight you were involved with in a match. If some how a gold player got put into a match against TenZ, if TenZ killed that gold player he would get very little MMR for the kill. If that gold player killed TenZ he would get a ton of MMR because TenZ has a high encounter MMR.

It's not just killing either, your encounter MMR is influenced by damage for an assist, smokes, flashes, etc. Every duel that happens, if you were involved, it will affect your encounter MMR.

Lastly, it isn't about getting lots of kills it's about who you kill. If you drop 30 kills, but only on players below your skill, it may not be worth as much as dropping 10 kills against players above your skill.

In the end, because you have both a performance and win/loss MMR, doing what is best to help your team win and making sure you use your abilities and play effectively will enable you to climb. Encounter MMR is turned on for all ranks, it is a small factor in Immortal+ tho.