[2022] My opinion on the elemental rift

Originally posted by reddict13

I think most player are so used to getting elder in normal mode, so people don't see dragon soul in same light.

Afaik in lolpc, dragon soul is contested the same way as the elder in wr as of right now.

Though i still agree that timer after first dragon should be lowered to 4 to 3.5 mins. I have played 50 plus elemental and rarely got a soul, as most matches were mostly over by the time soul dragon was up.

Plus even with the soul, late game it hardly matters, as everyone is full build. So tweaking the buffs to give certain advantage should be considered again.

Got elder 2-3 times and the 20% execution is kindof too strong, maybe that's the intention to begin with.

But in very close matches, where everyone is trying hardest to pull a flip, outsmart other team. Elder just ruins the late game neck to neck rush.

Originally posted by Frostzel

I dont think it is wrong if the game ends without either.

But I think it is wrong that the game is pretty much guaranteed to end without either team getting a soul if a team gets 2 drakes and then the other team gets 2 other drakes.

Because this basically means that the team that gave up the first 2 drakes will surely not see the soul because if they get the third and fourth dragon (so both teams have two) at that point either team can end the game.

I just feel like if a team doesnt collect all three first dragons but instead one team gets two and the other gets one the chances of seeing a soul are very rare, so it would be nice to reduce the drake spawn timers so that maybe in a scenario where a team has 1 drake and the other gets 2 another drake with a soul will still spawn before players are already ending the game.

Right now I only see souls if a team hardfocuses on drakes and stomps another team hard enough to be able to have a soul spawn at 17 or so minutes and most of the time by then the game could have theoretically already ended.

If a team is super ahead and gets the soul so early the probability of them not being able to end before elder are very slim, are they not?

Contrary to that, if the rift is still heavily contested and the game very close then the team who has the soul may still not be able to end the game without the elder dragon, but if the rift truly is that contested than the soul would usually only end up spawning at 25-30 or so minutes, right?

And at that point in time there is no need for elder because the game has been going on for long enough that respawn timers will make sure the game ends before any elder could possibly spawn.

And that might also fix the issue that I and many other players have not seen the new elder dragon yet because it spawns so late.

I understand that the elder is supposed to have a very late game appearance and shouldn‘t come every game, but I think if someone has not been able to have an elder spawn in his game after 30+ games played his spawn time might be too late.

Originally posted by MonoAsMe

I think I've had a new train of thought, 5 minutes to 1st drake feels super good, but im undecided about the rest, 1 way i see this as people just wanting to get soul and it not happening often enough because of the dragon spawn times but another way i see if is that that gives the other team an advantage to deny soul from the enemy team.

There's also the situation that with the current system in place, you don't essentially need to contest dragon and can look for other opportunities, because say if you got 1 or 2 drake, or even none, you can skip it and do something else, and only contest to deny soul.

Maybe making soul stronger is a better approach? And having less focus on elder or even not having an elder?

I think most of the complains of no elder we have are from the fact that we're so used to getting elder.

Or what if after a certain threshold you just can't get dragon soul anymore, and the elder spawns at say 18 or 20 mins, and whoever gets it has a game ending buff?

Originally posted by MonoAsMe

Honestly i like the current goal you guys have. Like you said we're to used to one thing which is dragon spawn go dragon and that not happening is making people take the wrong approach to this mode.

I personally do feel like dragons being overall less powerful is better for the game, as it opens up so many opportunities, everyone will have some breathing room, specially junglers where under the current normal dragon system its too much responsibility on one player.

I think the pain point lies in the fact that people think that dragons are too good/best objective and need to be taken or they lose games? So maybe its a learning/knowledge issue.

If you guys do go forward with something like the current elemental system, i think maybe it'll be just a matter of time for people to realise how the new meta works.