[2022] Winner/losers queue

I'm actually interested in that idea too. Losers/winners isn't a thing, but I do wonder how much it changes the outcome when a player expecting to win/lose. It's obviously not 0%, any intro psych class or coach will tell you that, but how much effect it has is interesting to think about.

Sorry I can't, I'm not really sure how to evaluate 2 cherry picked screen shots. I can tell you that every player climbing the ladder or person above or below a 50% winrate kinda proves it doesn't exist.

One thing that I constantly see when it comes to this idea of winners/losers que is how egocentric it seems to be. Many people seem to forget that 9 other people have an impact on the game you are playing, and for us to say "hey X player is doing to good, let's ruin the game for 9 others" seems like a a bad business model.

I'm not even sure how we would do that. The idea basically says that only 1 players ranking matters then says that they are doing to good, and above a 50% winrate, so that they would get matched with bad players, and below a 50% winrate. And somehow keep them all at 50%.

In science you want to do experiments to disprove your hypothesis, this is how you strengthen it. If it can't be disproven then you might be onto something. The issue here is that all of these arguments focus on trying to confirm what the person already believes, and ignores anything else, like people above/below 50%, or how players reached challenger. It's the same kind of thinking used to "prove" the earth is flat by ignoring anything that might suggest otherwise.

If someone is deadset on believing it exists than nothing I, or anyone else, says can change their mind. But that's an odd hill to die on, and a poor mindset for someone looking to climb or just enjoy playing the game.

We do have that, it's called Iron (Iron is the lowest right?), and Challenger at the top. Noone can fall below Iron regardless of how many games they lose, or go above Challenger.

But really though a minimum MMR range has the same kinds of issues I was talking about before. It also means that a player can't drop in skill, and we have seen plenty of players on this same subreddit talk about how they have dropped in rank.

It would also put a lot of extra stress/pressure on those first placement games (that already have a bit of pressure), and that seems a bit off for us to do when we removed promos between tiers because of the added stress/pressure they created.

I don't know the details of the system (not the area of the game I work on), but I do know that the goal of the matchmaking system is to create fair matches where in a single game each team has a 50% chance of winning. However this system only lasts until all 10 players have hit accept, and a lot can change from that point on.

Bans, champion select, player tilt, distractions, afks, coordination, strategy, luck, mistakes, first blood, who takes an objective, skills we might not account for, the game's meta, balance, familiarity with your team's champions, familiarity with your opponent's champions, typing in chat, etc. All of these impact the game after the match has been found so even if we had a perfect system that guaranteed that at the time a match is created, it was basically a coin toss who would win, you would still see these things come into play.