[2022] "The mechanics have changed very little"...

My reply to that topic was not about IFHE or armor value mechanics - it’s was a comment describing how OVERPEN mechanics have changed very little.

The poster in question asserted that Wargaming was rigging the RNG on his Musashi against him for monetary gain. He claimed that he used to get lots of citadels in his Musashi, but about two years ago he got fewer. This led him to accuse the company of rigging the RNG against him.

I assert once again that the RNG is not rigged against him, or anyone for that matter. The likelihood is that more light cruiser lines have enterted the game since the time the OP asserted he was getting more citadels. The Mushashi is more likely to overpen light cruisers than more “standard” heavy cruisers, so the OP was more likely to encounter overpens as time went on, but it has to do with the ship population, not a cabal against him or anyone else.

The RNG has been rigged against only one person, and that’s @Ducky_shot. Why?

He knows why…

I totally get you.

The armor rework that you’re referring to was mainly designed to somewhat standardize the interaction between cruisers and battleships when it comes to HE pen. As you may recall, 152’s generally pen 25mm without IFHE or being German/British. T7 BB’s were given 26mm armor in many places so they can resist those light caliber guns. It’s far more complicated than that, but you can start there and figure the rest out.

AP overmatch is different. The most common thresholds are:

BB’s:

19mm / 26mm / 32mm

Cruisers:

16mm / 25mm / 27mm / 30mm

The reason for this is to ensure some uniformity across nations, tiers, and calibers when it comes to what can own what, both with HE and AP overmatch.

Ask any competitive Player and they will tell you how significant 30mm AP overmatch is for clan battles and KOTS. It’s one of the if not the most important armor threshold at Tier 10

A ship with 460mm guns can uniquely overmatch 32mm plate with its AP, but the caliber and pen are generally so high that firing at light cruisers will result in more overpens than you may expect. The fact that you can literally go THROUGH THE NOSE of almost every battleship of every tier with 460’s means that you will overpen lighter armor more often.

Thats the trade off - that’s the way it’s balanced.

Some ships have very small citadels. Cleveland, for example, has barely any citadel exposed. If you are in a battleship close to it, you are very likely to simply miss the citadel altogether and overpen by hitting anywhere above it.

Overpenning a citadel certainly can happen, but it’s less frequent than you might think. Atlanta, Cleve, and some of the skinny mid-tier Russian cruisers certainly can be overpenned, but they can also almost always be overmatched as well. It just means that it’s often better to shoot them through the nose than when they’re broadside .

My pleasure!