is progress still based on luck? searching randomly for magazines stunts the progress of people playing co-op

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by william_es: I guess I just don't get this hatred of the whole magazine system.

Are people upset because they can't follow some insane ark like in rust, when 10 minutes after the server opens up they're rolling around with an ak-47 & bombs and they start raiding other players bases? Does it just piss off the pvp players because they can't join a random server and then be raiding in no time flat?

And the whole learn by doing thing made no sense. If you could go up in skill by crafting the same idiotic thing 5000 times in a row, then all the people working in sweatshops would be smarter then einstein and stephen hawking combined. In most rpg's with a learn by doing system, there's a cutoff where low level items no longer give any skillups at all.

You don't have to get it but you can't say learn by doing didn't make sense, it's how people actually learn how to cook, sew, build structures, shoot, drive... and even though that system as implemented wasn't perfect it was certainly a lot better than learn by reading.

I can't fully agree. I'll concede that repetitive practice is how people learn how to get better at existing knowledge but not how they learn new knowledge. Like with cooking, using a spatula to flip 1000 burgers would definitely help you learn to be a master at flipping burgers but to learn a new recipe you would.....read a recipe book.

When I don't know how to fix something, I don't go outside and hammer 50 nails, I go on Youtube and find a video to watch that teaches me the knowledge I don't yet have. Now back before Youtube and the internet we would read almanacs, how-to books, encyclopedias, recipe books, and trade magazines or have a neighbor or cool uncle show us to fill in our knowledge. If we wanted to improve our skills for things we already knew how to do we would practice those skills with lots of repetition.

A hybrid system probably would please a lot of people but that isn't going to happen for this game. The best we can hope for is that in a future game they will look at all the ways they experimented and come up with a nice hybrid that is unique and fun. For this game, though, it's time to accept what they chose and move on. If it's a deal breaker then so be it. If you can find some fun with it then great. If there's a mod that makes the system feel better for you then congrats and enjoy.