Damage control was out today, and man were they mean. I get it, its not easy taking sh*t from everyone who’s mad at you for trying to make money, but it seems unprofessional. Looking through his responses is shocking.
Edit: its not just dko5, Jayfresh is on the offensive as well. From my perspective as just an average player looking for dev responses, I feel straight up attacked.
External link →I understand when they're frustrated about some of the community being outright cunts and attacking them personally, but holy f**k they're out of touch by calling the community asshats because people are outraged about extortionate prices for items that have 0 meaning.
There was that one comment about "It was nice when people weren't asshats to developers" well shit, it was nice when developers created games that made us feel engaged, not just to give them more and more and more and more money.
F2p game needs to make money yes, but this shit? This aint it chief. No one was mad when you had 2 battle passes, premium currency and loot boxes but now jacking all those up a tier is f**king abysmal man.
Edit; hyperbolic misleading removal of "all community" in reference to the asshats part
No one called "all the community asshats."
I didn't say he called "all the community" asshats.
Also here's the source; https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/crcrxy/an_update_on_the_iron_crown_event/ex3xdif/?context=3
If you don't want to read then I'll post a direct quote underneath; "I've been in the industry long enough to remember when players weren't complete ass-hats to developers and it was pretty neat."
You did; what?
I know what he said, but you said, again, "holy f*ck they're out of touch by calling all the community asshats".
Read through again, my mistake there, assumed you were talking about the " It was nice when people weren't asshats to developers" part.
Editing the original post to not be misleading, my bad.
The point was that by responding to backlash by calling (not all, again, my bad) the community ass hats isn't good damage control, it feels like getting kicked then spat on for asking why
No worries, but Drew's comment is not limited to Apex or Respawn or Reddit. There is a lot of nastiness towards game developers. Often really acrimonious stuff. It wasn't always this way, and communities use to shun it. That's what Drew is harkening back to.
Indeed, we can do better on both sides.
This is unprofessional. Whether or not it was directed at an individual or a group is not the question. You guys are gouging players on cosmetics and content and call people asshats for not liking the model. f**k sake man
Again, no one did what you claim.
Dko5 literally said he recalled a moment in gaming history where the consumers weren't "asshats" and something something mob, something something how high.
So are we going to address reality? Or continue to indulge the fantasy world where 20 bucks for a skin, 200 for an event is the norm, and event boxes cost nearly the full amount of a season pass? You've got to understand where the people's discontent lies man. Not cool. And calling people names and grouping the community in such a way mischaracterizes the reason a lot of us are upset.
"You guys [...] call people asshats for not liking the model." I'm not sure we can fairly discuss anything with such hyperbole.
You’re right, but for him to call anyone an asshat for voicing their opinion hurts. Theres no way to not feel lumped in with who he’s calling names, because who he’s calling names are players voicing grievances. I have never attacked a dev but I have had grievances that I’ve wanted heard, does that make me an asshat? No doubt there are asshats in this community(people who attack the developers), but why does wanting the game to be better and communicating with developers put me in the same category as the toxic players he IS referring too.
ps, I really do appreciate all the work you and your team does. I can only imagine how tough todays been, nobody deserves the kind of ridicule you guys get. I wish everyone would try a little harder to be respectful to each other. Thank you for taking the time to reach out to people despite the hostility.
Developers receive way more than opinions. Much less constructive ones. No one wants their game to be more perfect, have more features and content, etc than developers. Our fans and we would enjoy growing Apex for a long time coming, and that's only going to happen with your input, if we can keep a healthy relationship.
Your grievances are our own; having them doesn't make you an ass or toxic. Let's hear them. Constructively.
There has been constructive feedback since day 1 of your lootboxes and overpriced skins, you kept them overpriced, and you kept the lootboxes, and we couldn't earn any more of your apex packs even if we got Max level.
You ignored this feedback. You put an underwhelming battle-pass out afterwards, of course you improved VERY MUCH on Season 2 with better rewards, better skins, and a Free hunt mode with grindable FREE skins. Amazing. you were going uphill until now
The feedback has _absolutely_ not been ignored. Drew has already addressed pricing structures and keeping the lights on for Apex development. As well, he addressed us having many different event structures planned and admitted we missed the mark on Iron Crown's structure.
He only mentioned that lowering the prices did not increase sales, and if that's the case do you still find it fair for the person that does want to support you guys to need to spend 18 dollars on a cool skin? And it's actually 20 because that's the minimum you can spend to get said Legendary. If I get 3 SKINS for legends, that I can't even see while playing until I win that's basically a new Triple A game - like the next CoD, Cyberpunk 2077, or others.
Fortnite Legendary skins are 20 dollars as well, but it's a 3rd person game - your skin is always visible which is kinda nice. Still too much money, but at least it's somewhat justifiable, and I know that you're not the giant game that is Fortnite but still. I feel like a Legendary skin should be no more than 10 dollars. Epic skins 8 dollars, and anything below 5 dollars. That to me would be fair, as a 19 year old with a part time job that plays your game day in day out whenever I'm not working and earning money that I need to be smart with so I can eventually move out, and go to school.
First of all, thanks so much for playing our game and supporting its community within your means.
There are a lot of disciplines involved in making new cosmetics, and their sales go towards funding a whole lot more needed to run a game the size of Apex and for longer than the 1-year lifecycle of your traditional box product. While we might not be 100% 3rd person, it doesn't mean it gets any easier. Everything 3rd person still needs to exist, and 1st person animations are completely separate from what you see in 3rd. And we have a lot of different character and rigging concerns. That's all on us, but it does mean just as much or more work goes into cosmetic development. We're optimizing and simplifying processes as we go. Hopefully we can prove that with every Seasons' Battlepass and event(s) being better than the previous.
We walk a line between keeping development healthy and the community invested in playing, both long into the future. There needs to be something for everyone, from all walks of life, and thanks for sharing your situation.
And don't forget this one as well
I think technically I was calling gamers dicks? I dunno. I had a spicy lunch, feelin' it.
So yeah, he did imply that we were ass-hats and saying so otherwise is just you being pedantic and dishonest. However, the second quote is even more abhorrent. He's literally calling gamers dicks and thinks it's funny because it's "spicy". He comes across like a juvenile fool. I'm completely at a loss as to how you can defend this.
EDIT: Also can't forget this one - Hey everyone - found the dick I was talking about. Guess what, I didn't even read your comment except for the first sentence and last. This kind of garbage doesn't warrant a reply - but lucky for you I already made a comment about this earlier. Go find it.
It's not pedantry. If you're an ass to to developers, you're an ass-hat. If not, you're not. It's dishonest to believe any developer would engage a community they thought were all ass-hats.
It's unfortunate Drew had to read and chose to respond to such insanely disrespectful posters. I couldn't say how I'd feel in his position, but I can't defend responding to the hate filled individuals.
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