[2020] [UPDATE: NOV 5th] Battle Pass Feedback Thread

Originally posted by Ddlutz

The other biggest one is you used to get 2 levels each week for the number of daily quests completed. Each week you would get one level for 5 daily quests done, and a second level for 10 daily quests done that week.

that comes out to something like 24 BP levels a season ( I didn't count exactly how many weeks are in this season)

That means that's another 2.4 million XP (before the change 10k=>5k xp change) that somebody would need to grind to make up for that.

Now it's another 1.2 MILLION XP to grind after the 5k xp grind. That is so insanely high.

I'm glad that Respawned hired somebody for this position and I'm hoping it'll be productive for us the gamers and you the devs!

Originally posted by Ilovepickles11212

I’m mostly puzzled as to why you thought the system needed change to begin with. What about the old system was confusing for players? The new UI for tracking challenges is better but everything else about the changes seems designed to make players spend significantly more time per day in order to level the BP. Challenges have always been very wonky in exp:time but these new challenges have kept that while also decreasing rewards across the board.

At this point I’m probably going to completely drop Apex from my playlist entirely in favour of the new wow expansion and cyberpunk instead of making time for it like I have since launch. I’ve levelled every BP to 110 and I’m 5 hours into this season at level 2.5 and basically have completely given up on the idea of completing this BP even with the upcoming changes. Big time thumbs down for me.

Originally posted by 8a9

Very much appreciate at least the attempt to establish communication.

Not moving the goalposts would be great. Not using anchor negotiation by going 2 steps forward and 1 back, to something that is still ultimately worse would also be great!

Such tactics will never be accepted by the community and I, as many others, will do my best to create as much push back against any attempts to normalize it.

It also doesn't help players not to feel like there is an attempt to squeeze them out of every dime, as was also the case with, for example, the Halloween bundles, which received a very, very significant amount of backlash. Unfortunately, zero accountability was taken for them.

Originally posted by DontCryBaby__

Revert it back to the old system. Easy fix.

Originally posted by Infinity293

Firstly thank you for reaching out and gathering opinions!

To add to number 1: I feel like having them be one specific legend (even if I own them or not) means that if it's a legend I don't especially enjoy playing, I now have to choose between grinding it out or missing out on that challenge, and that's just no fun. With the old system chances are there was one legend that I did enjoy playing and it let me mix it up from my mains but still have fun as well.

Originally posted by ColdAsHeaven

The rewards for the challenges don't match the effort and time required.

40 revives is what half a level? Are you serious? That's absolutely insane. 40 revives takes A LOT of time and effort even as a weekly.

If you're keeping these weekly challenges this long, every single weekly needs to reward a level

Originally posted by AbanoMex

i think the intended design of the battlepass clashes with what people wants with it.

Respawn want to keep the player Engaged the whole 80 days of the season trying to complete the pass.

the players just want to complete the pass WHILE enjoying the game, not making it a chore to complete, as if it were a job to do so.

challenges should only be there to entice the players to finish it faster.

but the players that enjoy the game, probably rest the final couple of weeks of the season to avoid burn-out, it has nothing to do with completing the battlepass.

Originally posted by 8a9

Thank you so much for the response. Trust is earned through actions, not just words. And so far, the actions were reflective of anything but respectful monetization tactics. There's still a long way to go. We expect ACTUAL CHANGE, not JUST WORDS (throwback to the Old Ways event, when we got recolors for the "Night Terror" Wraith skin and the "Honored Prey" R-301 skin, both at FULL legendary price. If I remember correctly, you guys said you'd do something about that..). Looking forward (really hope I don't come back to regret this. I love this game so much.) to what you guys have in store for us. Hopefully not more bundles like the Halloween ones and not charging only base legendary prices for simple recolors.

I hope I do not seem like an ""Engaged Detractor"". None of what I said was in bad faith and I'm sure that was the case for the vast majority of people. They're simply stating how they're feeling. It's not hard to see how people could be skeptical after the events of Iron Crown, given your.. collaboration with Electronic Arts / EA , which has the opposite of a good reputation, for very good reasons (the most downvoted comment in reddit's history, as well). That is anything but my interest. I'm open to discussion. I love this game so much, it's one of my favorites of all time.

Originally posted by Nyanyathotep

Changes are good, direction were wrong though. Consider looking at something like 110+ progression. That will appeal to both casual players and grinding maniacs.

Originally posted by unknownmuffin

Basically, if people finish the Battle Pass too early in the season, it feels bad for them because they don't have anything to focus on.

Maybe you have data that points otherwise and I'm just in the minority, but I certainly don't play apex to level up my battle pass. I finished last seasons battle pass 4 weeks early, and I played just as much in those 4 weeks as I did before then. Do people really boot up apex with the primary goal of completing challenges and leveling up the BP? I play apex to, you know, play apex. I like sliding around and wall bouncing and shooting at people, not trying to find that one specific gun that the weekly challenge wants me to use for 25 kills.

edit since i wanted to make my point more clear - I'm sure that having challenges that take longer to complete would drive up engagement, but is that really how you want to be getting the playerbase engaged? For me, the gameplay is enough to keep me having fun for 3+ hours a day for 2 months straight; maybe you should remain focused on keeping the gameplay engaging and fun, rather than applying some arbitrary and tangential roadblocks to keep players online longer? From a monetary standpoint, I'm sure its a lot cheaper to implement lengthier challenges rather than designing and engineering new LTMs, but the community has been asking for more LTMs for a long time, and i haven't seen a single person complaining about finishing the battle pass too quickly.

The lengthy legend specific challenges make me feel especially disconnected from what you guys are trying to do here, since you've outright stated that you wanted to force people to pick a variety of legends. This sub might make fun of me for it, but I am a wraith one trick, through and through. I've got 2k+ hours in apex, the vast majority of which have been on wraith. I dont need to play 15 games as mirage in order to feel like ive gotten a variety of gameplay - the battle royale format already provides so much variety just through the inherent nature of the game. I can have one fight with a mastiff+volt take place entirely in a building in fragment, and the next game i can have a fight with a hemlok+sentinel out in the wide open near countdown. Those are two drastically different experiences, and I'm barely scratching the surface. I just really dont like that Im essentially being forced to change my playstyle because the dev team might get slightly more playtime out of me. It just feels arbitrary and not really fun at all.

Originally posted by 8a9

Having communication coming from people in close relation with the game's development very deeply touches me. I thank you for that. I really hope we can see more communication like this going forward. I think the community is owed some explanations when it comes to some particular monetization that is employed. It would be infinitely better if we got a view from the other side as well, instead of just feeling like we're shouting in the void, talking to a wall. When the community starts to feel like it's only looked at through the lens of being pure data and numbers, it really, really hurts and leads to a lot of frustration that eventually blows over. Especially for the people that love this game with their whole heart and want to see it succeed. A little communication goes a very long way. I think I speak for the vast majority of the players in the community when saying we want a better bridge; we don't want to burn it. We just want this to work.