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I made a post yesterday about how the change to roaring flames and synthos was not a bug or a nerf, but a bug fix from an issue in the previous patch. Basically, the current (and intended) functionality was to change roaring flames from a 1.2x multiplier per stack to 1.1x per stack when combined with Synthos, Wormgod, Peregrine, or one-two punch. Before the fix, this actually added a 1.1x multiplier per stack for a total of 1.32x when combined with those exotics, giving us our solo one-phase Gahlran.
In the comments, u/Mr_Kitford pointed out that roaring flames did nothing when mixed with synthos on shoulder charge, and I confirmed that's the case, along with the other mentioned exotics:
| shoulder charge impact | multiplier | |
|---|---|---|
| base | 23664 | |
| RF x3 | 40891 | 1.73 |
| syntho | 70990 | 3.00 |
| RF x3 syntho | 70990 | 3.00 |
| peregrine | 76906 | 3.25 |
| RF x3 peregrine | 76906 | 3.25 |
| one-two punch | 70990 | 3.00 |
| RF x3 12P | 70990 | 3.00 |
So roaring flames alone applies as normally, 1.23 = 1.73x. When you add syntho, greaves, or one-two punch, roaring flames gives no additional buff to shoulder charge.
It gets worse: in December, a patch note stated:
Roaring Flames
Reduced the bonus to ability damage when Roaring Flames and Wormgod Caress Exotic perk are active.
Per Court's sheet, this reduced damage at 3+ stacks of burning fists when you also have roaring flames procced. This is the case now with throwing hammers, even when roaring flames is already nerfed.
| hammer | multiplier | vs. base wormgod | additional reduction | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| base | 17592 | |||
| wormgod x1 | 32544 | 1.85 | ||
| wormgod x2 | 47497 | 2.70 | ||
| wormgod x3 | 86197 | 4.90 | ||
| wormgod x4 | 109066 | 6.20 | ||
| wormgod x5 | 131934 | 7.50 | ||
| RF x1 WG x1 | 35798 | 2.03 | 1.10 | |
| RF x2 WG x2 | 57471 | 3.27 | 1.21 | |
| RF x3 WG x1 | 43316 | 2.46 | 1.33 | |
| RF x3 WG x2 | 63218 | 3.59 | 1.33 | |
| RF x3 WG x3 | 90144 | 5.12 | 1.05 | 0.79 |
| RF x3 WG x4 | 112387 | 6.39 | 1.03 | 0.77 |
| RF x3 WG x5 | 134630 | 7.65 | 1.02 | 0.77 |
| RF x1 WG x5 | 111265 | 6.32 | 0.84 | 0.77 |
| RF x2 WG x5 | 122391 | 6.96 | 0.93 | 0.77 |
The interaction works as normal for wormgod x1 and x2 stacks, with the new lower roaring flames multiplier of 1.1x. When you hit wormgod x3 and up, you get hit with an additional 0.77x multiplier, or 23% decrease. Meaning instead of 33% more damage with roaring flames x3, you get 2% more when combined with wormgod x5. Even worse, this reduction is the same no matter how many RF stacks you have, which means your damage goes DOWN when you have RF x1 and wormgod x5.
But wait! It gets worse!
Remember how roaring flames now does nothing on shoulder charge when combined with melee exotics? guess which damage reduction happens anyway?
| shoulder charge | multiplier | vs. base wormgod | |
|---|---|---|---|
| wormgod x5 | 177475 | 7.50 | |
| RF x3 WG x1 | 43778 | 1.85 | 1.00 |
| RF x3 WG x2 | 63891 | 2.70 | 1.00 |
| RF x3 WG x3 | 91104 | 3.85 | 0.79 |
| RF x3 WG x4 | 113584 | 4.80 | 0.77 |
| RF x3 WG x5 | 136064 | 5.75 | 0.77 |
Yep, roaring flames not only does nothing, it straight up reduces your damage when paired with wormgod x3 - x5.
As a fun little bonus, this bug hits your base melee too, even though RF doesn't buff it beyond giving it scorch.
| base melee | multiplier | |
|---|---|---|
| base | 8738 | |
| RF x3 | 8738 | |
| RF X3 WG x5 | 50239 | 5.75 |
So to sum up roaring flames combined with each exotic:
| Syntho/peregrine/12P | Wormgod | |
|---|---|---|
| Hammers / consecration | fixed, does less than before but still great | bugged, arguably worse |
| Shoulder strike | bugged, does nothing | bugged, reduces your damage |
Wormgod x5 is pretty niche, but not being able to make full use of peregrine greaves or one-two punch on a shoulder charge is lame. hopefully they fix the new bugs they introduced with this fix.
By the way, if you haven't seen it, check out my other big post, explaining every kind of damage scaling mechanic in the game!
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