[2023] Developer Stream 6.16.23 | Last Epoch | Last Epoch Dev Tracker

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2s	good afternoon everybody and welcome
4s	back to another last Epoch Dev stream as
7s	always
8s	I'm your host Mike how's it going
11s	oh
13s	was uh
16s	bit of a rush to get here but we made it
18s	so I'm a little late starting
22s	hope everyone's having a wonderful time
24s	we're gonna hop we're hopping right in
26s	the monolith
27s	we've got our meteor Mage on our way to
29s	our
30s	lightning meteor mage
34s	hello Andrew how you doing
41s	I hope you're well
48s	the camera's a little off center there
53s	falls down regularly
55s	all right let's get into this let's get
57s	playing
60s	been working a lot on some Rune Master
63s	stuff lately and it's
66s	starting to feel good
70s	so I'm like playing Mage here and
72s	mastering like all the testing stuff
74s	right now
76s	that's funny it's
78s	it's it's interesting to to try the I
81s	guess like the old version of the way
83s	that it is now
91s	it was a poorly cast meteor
97s	oh
98s	what's everybody doing I feel like
99s	there's there's lots of uh d4s getting
101s	settled
104s	having some fun with that
112s	starting to get a feel of what that's
113s	gonna look like longer term which is
115s	great
124s	don't forget a few questions oh yeah
126s	as I I didn't go through the Spiel let's
128s	do the Spiel I forgot it completely
130s	thank you if you have any questions
131s	please feel free to ask and please tag
133s	at last Epoch game with the question so
136s	I see it and answer the question we'll
138s	be happy to do so
140s	um
142s	all of the proceeds for the stream of
144s	all the money everything goes directly
145s	to charity it's about my head direct
146s	relief that's our charity of the month
148s	there'll be a new one in a couple weeks
151s	uh and I am playing on the live build
154s	version of the games this is not what
156s	you're seeing gameplay on the screen is
157s	not um it's not new it's not extra it's
160s	just ho ho there we are
168s	I do have some little teasers to share
169s	with you as we go throughout the Stream
178s	I don't want to power through this one
179s	and get to the next one
185s	actually look up where that staff is uh
187s	most available
192s	someone's someone do that for me if you
194s	uh
196s	if anyone wants to look at where the
197s	lightning meteor staff comes from for me
199s	I'd really appreciate it
203s	uh I can do it myself all right Andrew
207s	um hockey is done now so I have nothing
209s	to watch in sports yeah
212s	um
213s	I didn't I didn't uh
216s	and watch much of it
218s	I really love
219s	um I really love international hockey So
222s	like um Olympics World Juniors stuff
224s	like that those are my that's my jams
229s	oh yeah I forgot I have a Weaver's
230s	billion eclipse
232s	still too many armor
238s	slay enemies yeah I'm sorry
241s	kills here
245s	is there a question I missed
249s	with item factions requiring favor to
251s	perform many actions within it
253s	pretty well all actions uh where does
256s	that leave the once touted favor system
257s	is this still a progression system that
259s	has not that that's not tied to your
261s	character level or any one end game
263s	activity or is or has its role change
265s	become because of item factors
269s	um I I it just got implemented early
271s	um with item factions is all it really
273s	was so um this is a
277s	um an end game progression system that
279s	is not tied to experience
281s	um as as because you'll use favor to
284s	uh to progress along these faction
287s	systems
288s	um
290s	and it's I think one thing that may not
293s	have been clear in the in the initial
294s	post
295s	um but I'm pretty sure was mentioned is
298s	that the
300s	um this this this
301s	um this item faction system is an early
304s	part of an overarching favorite system
307s	so the uh there we are building the UI
310s	for this we're building the the design
312s	for it in a way that we are planning to
314s	have other factions show up
318s	um that will that will that will work in
320s	different ways so it won't be like a
323s	okay so look I I I don't know why I love
327s	drawing on my screen to explain stuff
328s	but I just do
330s	[Laughter]
330s	um
333s	uh items so you'll have you'll have the
336s	like the items category of factions and
339s	then you'll you'll have that split into
342s	um mg and cof
346s	and then you'll have like another
349s	factions uh another different faction
351s	they'll be split into two and you might
353s	have like another
354s	um pair of factions that are split into
355s	two and you'll be able to like pick one
358s	and then pick this one and then pick
359s	this one and and so they're not
362s	exclusive
363s	um
364s	they're not exclusive with each like
368s	you pick one out of this group you can
369s	still pick one out of this group
372s	um and maybe maybe this one is actually
373s	Four and you have to pick one and four
375s	or something like that so there's
377s	um
378s	we're building it as a as a larger
380s	faction system uh and just the first one
382s	the first piece of it to show up is the
384s	items
398s	and and yes things have changed a little
400s	bit
401s	um but that's just that's what happens
403s	as you implement systems they adjust
406s	slightly but nothing nothing major it
409s	wasn't like a big paradigm shift or
410s	anything like that it was just sort of a
412s	hey we've got this item faction or this
415s	faction system that is coming
417s	um do we want to like can we use the
419s	items can we use it to implement uh
422s	trade not trade optional system as well
423s	at the same time
428s	I also did see a question on uh I think
430s	it was Reddit but I can't remember about
433s	uh the the the the
436s	um portal opening time so now we have
438s	the
439s	um the portals that have uh the VFX
444s	portals the MTX portals there we go MCX
446s	portals uh now apply to your
449s	uh
451s	the green portals can now be changed how
453s	they look
455s	um and those concerns about the opening
457s	animation time the portals are
458s	functional the instant they're created
460s	and you don't have to wait for the
462s	animation to finish to use them so you
464s	can just like just slip into it right
466s	away and you may have just seen that
467s	happen as I was
468s	um leaving the last Model that the
470s	portal did uh was functional a fraction
473s	of a second after it opened
476s	um
476s	after it started opening
482s	all right next question here from the
484s	stream we'll ask that Epoch be on the
486s	Steam summer sale no it will not well
488s	okay I shouldn't say with such
489s	confidence
491s	um you see I have not heard anything
492s	about that and the information we've
495s	announced in the past would say it is
498s	not going to be
503s	so as long as marketing hasn't changed
504s	the mind
512s	uh Stone Lance timeline has the unique
515s	or staff Echo so thank you
519s	foreign
533s	but
538s	look at there
540s	we might stick around for it that's all
543s	I'm thinking now
548s	I mean maybe I went this way on purpose
550s	then
554s	right at the end the last time I did
555s	this by mistake oh
557s	nope still same ones
563s	almost want that notification to say
565s	like if a new stat was added or if one
567s	was just improved I don't know if it
568s	does maybe there's a distinction there
570s	I'll keep it out for it
585s	all right next question
589s	oh okay
599s	yeah deaf looking forward to uh when it
602s	will be in game the items uh the Amazon
604s	looked already nice if it still is like
607s	it first mentioned of course yeah I mean
608s	we haven't changed any designs on it
613s	I know there's uh
617s	all all the I saw a bunch of UI mock-ups
619s	recently that looked great
622s	shout out to the UI designer
629s	all right so the simple question is what
631s	does the new arpg on the Block do that
634s	you wish you could uh instead I'd like
637s	to ask what uh they do you can do and
640s	are considering how to present it slash
643s	implemented
644s	um
645s	there's there there isn't anything that
648s	I can say like we've we've looked at and
651s	said hey let's go do that so nothing
655s	um
656s	because we've got a lot of things on our
659s	plate already that we're like okay this
661s	is
662s	there's lots of things we've looked at
663s	and said hey that would be cool to do
665s	um so the first half year suggested uh
668s	or a question there but um
671s	there's there's nothing that's like high
673s	enough priority
674s	that were like okay that'll bump this
676s	feature that'll bump this feature
678s	um
679s	it's really nothing but uh
688s	terrible
701s	let's just keep going out yeah so so
702s	basically nothing really
709s	uh
711s	I think I think what it really like the
713s	thing that stuck out that sticks out to
715s	me is the um the casting animations are
717s	really good and in some cases like
721s	pretty intense
723s	I'm pretty involved especially when it's
724s	going to be a like a longer a longer
727s	cast effect
730s	and a bigger impact ability
733s	um
734s	like the it's a lot of presentation
736s	stuff that they've done really really
737s	really great job on
739s	um
740s	it comes as a shock to no one really
743s	uh
746s	and there's there's a lot of
748s	so there's a lot of discussions that
750s	come in about like comparing systems and
752s	things like that and like oh is there a
753s	system you can pull from one game to
755s	another game that sort of stuff like can
756s	can this game Implement that game's
758s	whatever system
759s	um and it's not just D4 this is the sort
761s	of conversation that's happened since
763s	we've started making this
765s	um
766s	and almost always my response is that
769s	system works great in that other game
771s	you know
773s	um
774s	and it's really rare that you can you
776s	can cherry pick a system from one to
778s	another because because usually there's
780s	a reason why you you've implemented it
783s	in a certain way there's a reason why
784s	you
785s	um
786s	like like you know it's hard to explain
789s	the the way these the systems all
792s	interact with each other has a huge
793s	impact on their on their individual
795s	system functionality and how they feel
797s	and that sort of stuff and um
800s	I don't know I'm really not a big fan of
801s	I'm trying to take an individual
803s	specific system and say hey let's let's
805s	pull this
807s	um
808s	like whatever system from that game to
811s	this game and usually it just doesn't
814s	fit and there's
816s	um
816s	you know like as you're developing that
818s	you're developing all sorts of things
819s	simultaneously and
821s	uh
824s	you can't pull if you can't pull
826s	everything which you can't
828s	um
830s	I don't know It's tricky to pull
831s	anything
835s	so we like to just focus on our game and
837s	try and
838s	make our own stuff that we think is cool
847s	hope that makes sense
854s	all right there's not much known about
856s	lost memories that's true
859s	unless I brought it up you said the
861s	original version for it wouldn't work
862s	anymore with the changes made to other
864s	end game systems over the years however
866s	you guys kept it around because of some
868s	of the Thematic stuff it really hits is
870s	it still the case uh and if so what are
873s	those thematics if it's been changed can
875s	you talk about it from a high-low
876s	perspective
879s	um
881s	um so I I guess lost memories as like a
884s	concept is
886s	ah
888s	high-level concept lost memories
890s	would be a system like really broad sort
893s	of like a general description of the
895s	system but not describing the details of
897s	how it would function and all that work
899s	kind of a system to
905s	it would it would part of part of what
906s	it would be would be to draw in
909s	um
910s	information from the world and help with
912s	storytelling help with World building
913s	would be a big part of it so like
916s	um let's assume lost memories uh have
920s	each each one of them has like a story
921s	piece associated with them let's just
924s	assume whatever whatever lost memories
925s	are
927s	um and and you can you you're using
929s	these items as pieces of a story and I
932s	just clicked of an interesting uh
934s	relevant example of the current game
936s	that just came out
937s	um
939s	the uh if you play Tears of the Kingdom
941s	the new Zelda game just came out there's
943s	a one of the one of the quests one of
945s	the main story quests is to collect
947s	tiers of uh tears tears of something I'm
951s	trying to say this without spoiler
952s	screening I haven't seen it
957s	these little teardrops you have to go
958s	around the world and collect
960s	uh they're in specific places and they
961s	they have a big story moment that goes
963s	with them
965s	um and when you get all them something
967s	happens and you get a big thing that
969s	does cool stuff
972s	um awesome game if you haven't played it
975s	everyone I mean it's not like it needs
977s	championing because it's yeah it's
980s	obligated anyways
981s	um
982s	having this this like thematic tie-in to
985s	the storyline for a mechanical system
989s	um that that revolves around things to
991s	collect
992s	and
994s	um
996s	I'm sorry I'm being so vague it's really
998s	hard to talk about it without discussing
1000s	what original plans were because you
1002s	know you might you might still use
1003s	something similar
1005s	um
1006s	being so vague I'm not really saying
1007s	anything I'm sorry
1010s	but yeah it's
1012s	still there's still room to and we still
1015s	want to incorporate more of a
1017s	um a storyline interaction with with an
1020s	end game system like that that that
1021s	really
1022s	um draws on the time travel elements and
1025s	draws on the fact that like hey these
1027s	are like there could be alternate
1029s	timelines maybe or there could be
1031s	um just like things that you maybe never
1034s	never knew about or like like other
1036s	characters that have experienced this
1037s	this time traveling before without you
1039s	or you know things like that where
1041s	there's ways to explore the storyline
1043s	through mechanical system
1045s	um
1047s	and having those be discreet
1049s	things in the world
1056s	I think that broad description could
1058s	still very well be used
1060s	I'd like to see it
1070s	I mean they're really obvious like we
1071s	can't do this because the way our
1072s	crafting system works but the really
1074s	obvious like example this would be like
1075s	okay well here's here's a memory and
1078s	once you've like collected all the
1080s	pieces of the memory you're like here's
1081s	here's a memory and there's maybe you
1083s	need like it's a Memory about some
1085s	character who is fighting wingari and so
1087s	you need to get like five uh drops from
1089s	wangari that are not items that are like
1091s	like uh monster infrequence or something
1092s	and like you combine them with the
1094s	memory and it like unlocks the memory
1096s	and there's like a story moment that you
1097s	can watch if people answer something or
1099s	read if you want or something and then
1100s	like the item then sockets to your gears
1102s	like I'm making this up as they go so
1104s	something like that if that makes any
1105s	sense
1108s	foreign
1117s	hard horribly all right the monolith
1120s	became a drag with the uh area with the
1123s	two chests in the blacksmith always the
1125s	same is it possible to have uh wandering
1128s	Wildlife like dogs and toucans walking
1130s	around the mini dinosaurs randomized uh
1133s	you mean the the rest area
1135s	you could use would be some some
1137s	revitalization maybe
1139s	um
1140s	I don't uh I I won't write anything down
1143s	from suggestions on stream here so if
1145s	you've got a suggestion like that please
1146s	head over to the forums
1149s	all right uh my last question okay now I
1153s	assume this I assume you guys do not uh
1156s	do not
1157s	do not to date for 1.0 uh but is there a
1160s	road map for wall 2 1.0 all the features
1162s	that are planned before full launch I
1164s	not really so the um we do have a date
1167s	planned for 1.0
1169s	maybe an internal goal for 1.0
1172s	um and we have a list of features that
1176s	are sort of our like internal must-haves
1181s	um
1182s	and then we've got another huge list of
1184s	features that are our
1186s	um
1187s	hopes we have for it
1191s	um and we can't really put those hope we
1194s	have features on our roadmap
1197s	um
1199s	because there's a lot of them there's a
1200s	lot more than we think will be possible
1202s	to to get in for 1.0 and so there's like
1204s	almost no matter what that list is going
1206s	to be have things missing off of It from
1208s	the 1.0 launch
1210s	um so the things that were like okay
1212s	well this is getting in for 1.0 no
1213s	matter what like all the resources go
1215s	make it happen type features there's
1217s	only like three of them
1219s	um and so something our roadmap is just
1220s	like
1222s	masteries
1224s	item factions
1228s	performance improvements
1233s	oh yeah it's kind of an underwhelming uh
1235s	road map to release you know
1238s	um especially because we are doing a ton
1240s	of other stuff it's just those the only
1242s	things that were like these are full for
1244s	sure be in like we're doing these
1250s	um it's really that's about it
1253s	foreign
1272s	XP XP what's the bad thing yeah it's
1275s	fine did folks attacking me anyways I
1277s	don't have any minions
1281s	all right will you be buffing set pieces
1284s	a little uh a little bit to make them a
1286s	bit more viable not talking Diablo level
1288s	sets but at least make it where you'll
1291s	want to pick it up
1292s	um we have a plan for set items
1296s	um
1297s	in a more systematic level change so
1301s	something that will
1302s	change the way set items interact with
1304s	the item systems in general and and the
1306s	other other items you're collecting and
1308s	things like that
1310s	um we're not prepared to
1313s	quite reveal what that is and how that's
1315s	gonna work
1316s	um
1320s	because it's still in
1322s	uh like just out of design
1325s	phase
1328s	but we will continue to rebalance
1330s	the game as we go
1333s	in general
1336s	if you've got specific suggestions of
1337s	rebalance changes you'd like to see
1338s	please head over to the forums and leave
1340s	a suggestion and the feedback and
1341s	suggestions section
1347s	uh you guys constantly hiring asking for
1351s	a friend yes we have a
1354s	um we have a careers page on our website
1356s	uh I think it's just eleventh hour Dot
1358s	Game careers I believe or you just
1361s	Google a lot of their games careers
1362s	which is how I find it
1365s	um and there are uh there are career
1369s	listings there yes
1374s	I know we just someone that just got on
1377s	board yesterday
1380s	or was introduced at least started there
1382s	onboarding I'm not sure where they are
1383s	in that process
1390s	that'd be your shower just just goes ham
1395s	gave me that XP
1397s	love to see it
1401s	all right
1406s	sure
1412s	oh
1416s	oh okay let's go
1421s	we got the Mana
1460s	all right next question what am I doing
1462s	it's like oh having fun playing
1464s	uh not so much question but kind of a
1466s	suggestion
1468s	kind of a suggestion postal Point O
1470s	release with their uh will there ever be
1472s	any plans to do community collaborations
1475s	where the community designs the uniques
1476s	items contests we vote on to possibly be
1479s	included later um we have so we've done
1481s	this before this is not that's not a new
1483s	thing
1484s	um and yes we we probably will uh look
1487s	to do it again because it was very
1488s	successful the first time
1490s	um
1492s	uh it's it's a uh it's a sphere
1496s	wood sphere
1497s	um
1499s	I believe it's the staff however it's
1502s	bad anyways yes we uh we've done it
1505s	before we'll do it again
1516s	yes
1521s	picking up random rings
1523s	gross
1525s	gross
1536s	ah classic mic probably gotta tighten up
1538s	that Loop filter and just ignore
1539s	everything right now
1542s	foreign
1546s	you know what
1548s	before we start this I've got a little
1549s	little teaser here
1557s	here's a little teaser this is a I don't
1561s	know what this is actually
1562s	but here's a little it's it's a it's a
1564s	crop where it has certainly Trend I
1566s	guess here trying to get more things in
1569s	um but don't want to just like give
1571s	everything away so that social posts
1572s	don't have anything
1574s	um
1575s	so I've asked for like little Little
1577s	Snips of things and uh so here is a
1581s	small snip of a larger picture that will
1584s	be revealed later
1586s	um and I do not know what it is myself
1588s	but it's something cool I'm told
1604s	so yeah just a little something there as
1607s	we go
1609s	anyways next next thing here so when is
1612s	the arena push stream happening oh yeah
1614s	I did mention I was gonna try that okay
1617s	um yeah I'll do that I'm not sure when
1623s	I was just told what that was oh I know
1625s	what that is
1628s	sweet okay that's awesome
1635s	now I'm burdened with having to lie if
1637s	someone asks or guesses it right
1651s	we pushed stream yeah let's do one of
1654s	those soon I'm not sure why I'll do that
1657s	he's trying let's go
1661s	hey Shrine reflects
1664s	so many strides what is going on
1677s	all right next question
1679s	uh any plans to add PVP yep
1683s	not for 1.0
1693s	Shield
1702s	I mean we don't too much damage over
1704s	time
1715s	we could we could try and
1718s	uh chaos the damage over time
1721s	and just get spell damage oh my gosh
1724s	uh all right sweet
1728s	take that to the bank uh for only 14 uh
1732s	left though so let's discover this to
1734s	get a free one
1737s	uh I'm just gonna oof
1740s	oh taking Beats
1742s	oh
1745s	that did not that did not end strong
1746s	started strong did not end strong
1749s	it's unfortunate but
1754s	I mean
1756s	I still think it's a very nice upgrade
1760s	let's go for that
1766s	and I just realized that I'm way over
1769s	stability for this
1771s	hahaha
1773s	like way over spot I'll probably just
1776s	like bail on this
1777s	let's just finish it
1782s	all right next question
1785s	uh hello hello have a good stream thank
1788s	you very much uh dude Dev teams start to
1791s	create three missing classes or are they
1793s	not work now they are very much in work
1795s	um I'm all I'm doing right now is
1798s	working on remaster
1800s	um
1803s	working on uh
1806s	two nodes left in one of their abilities
1808s	that I'm struggling with I can't get a
1811s	raycast to detect the right things the
1813s	right layer something about the layer
1814s	mask and the raycast I'm not sure what
1816s	it is like almost positive it's going in
1818s	the right direction but it's returning
1820s	nothing every time
1827s	trying to work out a new way to have
1828s	abilities interact with other abilities
1830s	so it's gonna see if it's gonna like hit
1831s	another one
1833s	and like do something in response
1846s	it's not playing nice being kind of a
1849s	jerk you know
1852s	uh happy Friday Mikey happy Friday
1856s	Master Sword how's it going
1858s	uh thanks for the opportunity to
1860s	interact with you guys about the
1861s	wonderful game you guys have created
1862s	you're welcome question uh when will
1865s	swords become the most Superior weapon
1867s	in Le I mean if we're talking just like
1870s	cool Factor they already are come on
1873s	swords swords swords are so cool
1879s	I don't know
1888s	oh come on just died
1900s	tragic there all right
1904s	uh
1905s	I know there's a way to set up AutoCast
1907s	but using num log but can there be a UI
1910s	implementation where you can right click
1911s	on your bar and make something Auto cast
1913s	mainly Buffs not damage abilities
1915s	um it is possible that we could create
1917s	something like that
1919s	um we don't currently have plans to set
1920s	that up if you have a suggestion hey
1923s	you'd like to see getting deployed in
1924s	the game
1925s	please head on to the forums it was just
1927s	there
1928s	right I'm gonna do this and actually
1930s	click the boss
1932s	my goodness
1934s	uh our previous tree threshold nodes for
1937s	all base classes and masteries of 1.0
1939s	feature or Flex feature that's more
1941s	hoped to have by 1.0
1943s	um I would say I would call it a flex
1944s	feature it's
1946s	um
1947s	something that uh I think will happen or
1951s	at least expanded on like
1954s	getting getting a few in is not that big
1956s	of a deal
1958s	um
1959s	some of the passives need
1961s	more attention than just like hey let's
1964s	toss a few of these nodes in
1966s	um
1969s	so it's it's it's hard to make changes
1971s	like that without taking a more granular
1973s	look at those trees
1975s	um so I'd say like
1977s	it's it's gonna be an ongoing thing and
1979s	then that's just like the nature of of
1982s	passives in general like they're gonna
1983s	be continue to evolve as we go
2008s	uh
2011s	yeah yeah
2022s	all right
2025s	I really not feel that way
2028s	uh I've seen the game got some backlash
2030s	on Steam Reviews after adding micro
2032s	transactions
2033s	uh that was one of the reasons people
2037s	gave but it was unfortunately incorrect
2040s	technically it's fine
2042s	um
2043s	what is your opinion on it personally
2044s	I'm confused as to why the people will
2045s	be so upset about it knowing what
2047s	questions were coming in the whole time
2049s	and the pricing is even that bad
2051s	um I I think that there's uh there are
2054s	some fundamental uh ideals revolving
2058s	around this sort of thing where there
2059s	are
2061s	um you know there's there's
2064s	is hard
2066s	things that are
2069s	sometimes considered just just bad no
2071s	matter what
2073s	um like the term the term loot box
2076s	is here I'm gonna send loot boxes here
2079s	ready ready for this
2082s	um
2083s	I I think that as soon as you hear the
2085s	term loot box and almost every single
2087s	implementation of the Box I've seen has
2088s	been awful almost every single one
2091s	um and as soon as you hear the term the
2093s	knee-jerk reaction is oh my God no
2096s	um and it doesn't really matter what the
2097s	other information around it is it's just
2099s	this is bad
2101s	and
2102s	um I I think that happened to a degree
2104s	here
2106s	um where the the all the information
2108s	wasn't taken into account and the
2112s	information that
2113s	um if you selectively pick pieces of
2115s	information not maliciously just because
2117s	that's the information you see from like
2119s	a YouTube video maybe or
2122s	um just like the the title of a Reddit
2124s	post or something and and maybe you're
2126s	not invested in the game to go and do
2128s	like full research on it and we don't
2130s	expect people to do it either
2131s	um
2132s	and because that's kind of that's on us
2134s	to uh to use our marketing to to like
2138s	convey all the relevant information
2139s	right
2141s	um and sometimes all that relevant
2142s	information doesn't get out properly and
2144s	conclusions get drawn based on
2146s	incomplete information or possibly
2148s	incorrect information
2151s	um and
2153s	I I think that's what that's what
2155s	happened here so there's there's a lot
2156s	of knee-jerk reactions of
2158s	um
2159s	uh a plus b equals bad no matter what
2163s	and uh it's not always the case you know
2166s	a plus b most of the time equals bad but
2168s	given c d e f g h i it's not bad you
2172s	know
2173s	um
2174s	and
2178s	I I think the same thing can happen with
2180s	loot boxes as well which is why I
2181s	started here with the Box because it's
2182s	generally so terrible but
2184s	um I mean let's let's describe a
2188s	hypothetical loot box system that's
2189s	actually really great
2191s	um you've got
2193s	um you've got 50 let's see you've got 50
2196s	MTX items in in a store
2199s	um and they range from one to ten
2200s	dollars each
2203s	um and you have a a loot box that you
2207s	can buy that uh that is one dollar
2211s	um
2212s	so no matter what as far as value of
2214s	like how much the MTX you get out and
2217s	all the all the loot boxes is just one
2219s	random MTX
2220s	um that you don't already have so it's
2222s	like worst case scenario you get one
2224s	that you don't want but it's still it's
2226s	you paid one dollar for one dollar MDX
2228s	you know it's it's worst case scenario
2230s	you did not overpay for something bad
2232s	you just maybe didn't get your favorite
2234s	one
2237s	um and that's a loot box system that I
2238s	would I would argue is you know it's and
2240s	and this is assuming that the items
2242s	coming out of the loot box can't be sold
2244s	and have no real world money value you
2246s	know it's it's by a random thing
2249s	um
2250s	and like if that's if that's the whole
2252s	system like I think that's awesome
2254s	personally and I've
2256s	um the closest thing I've experienced to
2258s	that was the I have no idea if they do
2260s	this anymore it was the uh League of
2261s	Legends uh random skin gifting
2265s	uh that came out I think for either
2268s	Christmas or April Fool's Day or
2270s	something like seven years ago or
2272s	something ridiculous
2274s	um and so the only times I've ever spent
2276s	money on an MCX in a game was was that
2279s	and it was it was great like you
2282s	you ended up with I think I think that
2284s	one it was slightly more expensive than
2286s	the cheaper skins you could get
2288s	um and my experience of it may have been
2289s	skew because I did get really really
2290s	lucky but I mean it was it was cool you
2293s	were generally spending cheap a cheap
2295s	little thing to gift someone a random
2297s	skin like that's a loot box
2300s	um
2303s	I know I'm kind of debating with within
2305s	Eric so I'm not looking at chat right
2306s	now
2307s	but I yeah so I guess what I'm saying is
2309s	there's there's room for
2312s	um
2314s	gray areas with all these things and
2316s	taking into account the holes picture is
2318s	really important
2325s	how loot boxes have uh been utilized in
2329s	a lot of situations where
2332s	um
2332s	they're significantly more expensive
2334s	than the cheapest thing and the uh the
2338s	objects can be then sold to real money
2339s	and things like that like that's that's
2341s	just just gambling with extra steps
2353s	which you know like there's nothing
2354s	inherently wrong with gambling if it's
2356s	presented as gambling and presented to
2358s	people who can responsibly Gamble and
2360s	are people who are not able to
2361s	responsibly gamble or or take it away
2363s	from it you know that's like it's
2366s	there's a reason why there's humongous
2368s	regulatory boards that that deal with
2370s	gambling in in most countries
2377s	like I don't know I don't know where you
2378s	guys live but here there's like there's
2380s	ads on Radio and on TV that are
2383s	basically like don't gamble too much
2385s	it's like government ads that are just
2387s	like you know like
2390s	if you can't afford to gamble don't
2394s	that's important I think
2405s	all right actually another question here
2407s	to ramble about
2408s	while I'm doing this instead of uh
2411s	make it a bigger fool myself
2420s	uh our passive tree throwing into that
2425s	just FYI I reported a bug with rebuke
2427s	cool I'm not gonna look at it
2432s	sorry
2434s	someone else will
2440s	stand over here my meteors are over here
2442s	come on what are you doing
2452s	oh
2464s	uh all right are there any plans to add
2467s	an item drop list in game to show where
2470s	to farm uniques uh
2473s	probably not like like a detailed like
2476s	everything comes from here no I I don't
2478s	think so maybe with no plans for it I'd
2481s	be shocked to be out of that
2497s	all right
2500s	the boxes are like nft no one no one
2503s	needed
2503s	nfcs are way worse
2519s	all right hey are there any item filter
2522s	upgrades in the works like changing the
2524s	font size no that will not happen
2525s	altering crafting materials no that will
2528s	not happen roll ranges you know that
2530s	will not happen and let your potential
2531s	related values uh that's not planned and
2534s	I don't think it'll happen
2536s	uh but yes there are loot filter changes
2539s	that will uh that will like improvements
2541s	that will happen
2543s	um I don't know what they uh those
2544s	specifics that I can see like this is
2546s	the next one coming or anything like
2548s	that
2559s	we really specifically this this is a
2561s	concept that I I find uh doesn't go over
2565s	well when I say it but
2567s	um we do we do really intentionally make
2569s	it so you can't make a perfect filter
2572s	you can't say like okay if it drops I
2574s	pick it up
2576s	um that's that's that's a situation that
2577s	we really don't want people to be in
2580s	um
2582s	where you're still evaluating gear that
2584s	drops to say like hey is this something
2586s	that I want I think that's a really
2587s	important step in the in the leveling
2590s	process the character building process
2591s	the the like your growth as a player for
2594s	like um discovering new builds and and
2597s	discovering items for alts maybe and
2600s	um even just discovering new items for
2602s	your own character that maybe you didn't
2603s	consider that would be awesome or
2606s	um you know and to prevent people from
2608s	uh having their loot filters set up too
2610s	strictly uh there's a whole bunch of
2612s	reasons why
2614s	um we don't want perfect filtering to be
2615s	a thing
2617s	yeah
2619s	it's supposed to be
2621s	Unstoppable reindeer Relic
2627s	not quite what we're looking for that's
2631s	okay
2635s	and we Press On
2640s	right we're gonna we're gonna Ascend
2642s	Ascend all of all the staffs we found
2645s	um unless we got this far
2670s	all right
2674s	more questions or questions more
2675s	questions there's a question will Diablo
2677s	4 season the poe 2 affect the release of
2680s	1.0 and how are you working how are you
2682s	working plan how are you working plan on
2685s	working around them
2686s	um
2688s	so this we we do we we have a pretty
2691s	good idea of
2693s	um when poe2 D4 seasons and releases and
2696s	things like that are happening and we
2697s	have like we don't know for certain but
2699s	we've uh rough estimates that we're
2703s	um
2704s	we we think we think our
2706s	pretty good because we've played these
2709s	games for a long time and you know like
2711s	you you started I'm sure people have a
2714s	pretty good sense of roughly when these
2716s	things are going to be we think we do
2717s	anyways
2718s	um just because
2722s	play a lot of these things and you know
2724s	have our own that we're really seeing
2726s	you you can you get a feel for when
2727s	these things are gonna start to happen
2729s	um so we have planned around those
2732s	releases for when we want our releases
2734s	to happen
2735s	um
2737s	and
2739s	so far in the last like
2743s	um year or so basically since point nine
2745s	released
2747s	um since since 0.9 released some drop
2749s	multiplayer all of the releases have
2750s	happened as we've expected them within
2752s	about a week
2753s	um and
2757s	so if things keep on the path we expect
2760s	we should be not conflicting with
2762s	anything
2763s	all right so
2766s	yeah we're a little lucky with that you
2769s	know like
2771s	um but there's there's people who have
2774s	uh have who are working I've worked in
2776s	industry for a while and you know like a
2777s	lot of us
2778s	been a part of this for a long time and
2780s	you you get pretty good at making
2781s	educated guesses
2783s	um
2785s	we've got we've got a few like this is
2786s	the most likely one and this will do if
2788s	this happens this is the second most
2789s	likely one this will do if this happens
2790s	type thing so like we've got contingency
2792s	plans and everything and
2797s	if it can't be avoided at all you know
2799s	we won't but we do plan to you know
2804s	because we we know a lot of people like
2806s	to play more than one RPG
2810s	present you know and uh
2814s	um we we don't want to we don't want
2815s	people to have to choose between uh
2818s	different ones if we can avoid it and uh
2820s	also just you know a new release hasn't
2823s	come out for either the other two in a
2825s	month or so you know it's much more
2826s	likely that people will be ready to hop
2828s	into this one
2834s	so yeah we do try and strategically
2835s	place our releases such that they don't
2838s	collide with uh
2840s	Diablo peewee
2860s	can we get a sneak peek of the Warlock
2861s	and Falconer I don't really have
2863s	anything to share about those right now
2866s	um
2867s	Rune Master is definitely the farthest
2869s	along of the three so far
2872s	uh but yeah there's um like there's
2874s	stuff happening for them they're coming
2876s	along they're advancing uh
2881s	they're gonna be sweet I don't really
2884s	have anything to share with with those
2886s	um we have shared little things here and
2888s	there
2888s	and um
2891s	Andrew Tilly who's here Will has has a
2893s	form thread that has probably all of
2894s	that info on it
2898s	it's on a forums called uh we sprung a
2900s	leak
2915s	how are you today I'm feeling pretty
2918s	good today
2919s	you know
2921s	um
2925s	yeah
2927s	gonna go play some Magic later tonight
2929s	probably
2937s	at least more Zelda later tonight
2940s	I've been exploring the depths
2942s	oh it's awesome
2946s	do you wish the dungeons had been bigger
2949s	just finished the last one of those
2951s	tons of fun I just wanted more
2973s	oh
2974s	I have a question my quest log says
2978s	discover the rest of the timelines in
2981s	one of my epochs I finished that
2982s	specific timeline four times in a row
2983s	now uh maybe the shade of Orvis but the
2985s	quest log is still not updating what am
2987s	I doing wrong apparently this game I'm
2989s	not 100 sure I've seen this bug before
2991s	myself as well
2992s	um you may just have a quest log stuck
2995s	in your quest list there
2997s	um there might be someone in the ask the
2998s	community channel on our Discord that
3000s	can answer that for you that has more
3001s	experience with that I'm not sure sorry
3005s	uh do you think it's essential for
3006s	uniques to have downsides for players to
3008s	solve and not just be all positive app
3010s	because no I don't think that's
3012s	essential
3013s	um I think if they're I think that's a
3016s	really useful tool
3019s	um to be able to implement things that
3022s	uh would otherwise be completely broken
3023s	overpowered
3025s	um and
3027s	uh I I think it's I think we've made a
3030s	few mistakes when implementing those in
3031s	the past I think we're getting a lot
3033s	better at implementing those and we
3035s	still have stuff to learn in that
3036s	category but you know it's It's tricky
3037s	because you are
3040s	um it's hard to look past those negative
3042s	things sometimes for players
3044s	uh but at the same time it it in order
3048s	to be able to put in certain things that
3050s	are awesome you kind of have to have
3052s	these negative things
3054s	um and I know it's not an item but a
3055s	really quintessential example of a thing
3057s	we did as a negative in order to make it
3061s	possible to do the positive is Tempest
3063s	strike
3064s	um it's sort of our poster child of
3065s	failed skills and in order to do the the
3069s	ability triggering system that we have
3071s	for it originally
3072s	um with with all the other factors in
3074s	the game the only way to do that was to
3076s	not have your abilities scale with
3078s	attack speed
3080s	and people hate that people want their
3084s	abilities to scale with attacks me that
3085s	is that is a uh a very clear piece of
3088s	feedback we got from that and
3091s	um so we we kind of have to solve that
3093s	problem first before we before we can
3095s	move on
3097s	and fix the rest of that
3101s	um but no I don't think unique in
3103s	general or anything in general like
3104s	needs to like it's essential to have
3106s	that downside I think
3108s	um there's there's kind there is kind of
3109s	a hidden downside to almost all uniques
3111s	that uh
3114s	um
3114s	might not be always apparent but certain
3117s	item slots is more apparent than others
3119s	is that it's the opportunity cost of
3120s	using that item in that slot you lose
3122s	the ability to put on
3124s	um certain affixes so like uh for
3126s	example
3127s	um boots have movement speed on them a
3129s	lot of moon speed
3130s	um and if you make a unique boots and a
3133s	unique pair of boots it better have
3135s	almost every single unique pair of boots
3137s	has has the has the actual like explicit
3140s	and implicit affixes of increased move
3143s	speed almost every single one of them
3144s	I'm pretty sure has that or some
3145s	variation on that
3147s	um yeah like there it is both of these
3148s	have it
3149s	um
3151s	you know I don't have but like that's
3152s	what I mean it's like if you make a pair
3154s	of boots that doesn't have move speed on
3155s	it that's not an explicit downside but
3158s	that's a huge downside that's like kind
3160s	of hidden in there and
3162s	um it's it's important to to get I
3165s	that's the whole Weaver as well I didn't
3167s	get I only got two after those Rumble
3177s	um
3180s	what was I saying oh yeah downsides yeah
3182s	yeah so so sometimes there's like hidden
3184s	downsides
3186s	um
3187s	and and I think that's the same sort of
3189s	thing like that's that's more of a uh
3191s	common puzzle to to implement and
3195s	cosplayers to to work around
3197s	is that opportunity cost
3202s	and there's other Africans like that
3203s	like cooldown production
3205s	um uh potion cleansing
3207s	um
3211s	listen some casting things
3213s	uh just damage on weapons like flat
3217s	damage on weapons
3220s	you know so these are opportunity costs
3222s	that kind of work as downsides hidden
3224s	hidden downsides I guess but um
3228s	I think having those explicit downsides
3231s	of like Hey Now You're this much worse
3234s	because this item's equipped is is it's
3237s	it's tough for a lot of people it's a
3238s	tough pill to swallow in a lot of cases
3241s	I think it has to be it can be done
3243s	really well strategically and it has to
3245s	be done carefully
3250s	drink lots of water
3251s	[Music]
3256s	okay I'm gonna toss up a new teaser
3261s	here's a little teaser yeah it's pretty
3264s	neat
3268s	I actually know what this one is yeah
3270s	let's answer a question I'll do this
3272s	will Rune Master be closer to trap sin
3275s	gameplay from D2 or you can't say yet uh
3279s	no it's not gonna be like a trapson
3285s	trapson was cool but oh it's not gonna
3287s	be like trapson
3291s	Rin Master is
3294s	huge there's there's a lot like
3301s	here's I don't know all the abilities
3303s	off the top of my head
3314s	that's all I'm working on right now
3328s	I like like this idea of leaving these
3330s	on screen so I'm just going to stick
3331s	this down here in the corner
3342s	that'll be the next one
3343s	I got one more after this
3363s	all right more questions more questions
3366s	more questions since Tempest strike is
3368s	already on The Chopping Block it's on
3370s	the uh changing block
3373s	uh can we play with the the old one yes
3377s	you can play with the old one but with
3378s	the attack speed scaling no this little
3380s	further work now sorry
3384s	oh
3391s	no because
3393s	um
3394s	what if it's awesome and uh then we
3398s	can't justify changing it
3406s	no it's just it's um
3410s	in order if if we did that there'd be
3412s	there'd be a surprising amount of
3413s	balancing work that would have to happen
3414s	to get it actually tidy
3417s	um there's a bunch of changes that have
3418s	to happen in the skill tree as well and
3420s	um
3422s	as as soon as we do that uh like that's
3425s	we're basic we're most the way to just
3427s	doing the rework it's probably a similar
3429s	amount of work just do the rework
3431s	um and uh we've just got other
3433s	priorities right now
3443s	mostly the masteries
3455s	should we just said I'm probably not
3457s	bothering
3464s	are there any details that you can't
3465s	disclose about the new classes like high
3467s	level mechanics and playstyles not
3469s	really
3469s	um
3471s	the uh
3473s	we're kind of keeping that stuff under
3475s	wraps a little bit until it gets closer
3476s	to you know it's pushing it out
3481s	like the
3484s	there's there's some like General stuff
3486s	that you can kind of into it from Just
3488s	what they are like the falconer will be
3491s	a like similar Rogue a high Mobility
3494s	class you know that's like lots lots of
3497s	stuff it's doing
3498s	um fast attacking
3501s	uh you know you know there's lots lots
3503s	of lots of stuff like that'll be
3504s	there'll be a falcon involved
3506s	you know there's not a lot of um
3510s	Revelations I can share with it sorry
3515s	they'll fit really nicely into their
3517s	classes
3518s	um
3520s	there are there are certain abilities
3522s	that we've kind of made and developed
3524s	over the last couple years
3527s	um with with the masteries that are
3529s	coming in mind
3531s	um
3532s	and then bring them up
3535s	I've got two pairs look already
3539s	um
3540s	like like for example uh Glacier is
3545s	um kind of Rune mastery
3547s	a little bit sorry it's dark green
3549s	master it's kind of remastered a little
3551s	bit
3552s	um
3553s	especially the visuals if you look at
3554s	how those those spawn in
3556s	um
3557s	same with um flame word like you got
3561s	those those visuals there like so we we
3562s	we have sort of
3565s	um tried to preempt it with tie in some
3567s	Base Class skills already
3575s	yeah
3576s	to the point where like one of the
3577s	Warlock skills is actually gonna it's
3579s	we're taking a base class skill
3581s	um and it's going to be one of the
3582s	Warlock Mastery skills
3596s	oh all righty then
3601s	boom boom boom drop those meteors
3605s	yeah every time it gets me
3611s	all right well current dungeons get some
3613s	overhaul in the future
3615s	overhaul's a
3617s	extreme word
3619s	um
3620s	particularly the map generation I mean
3621s	yeah that's that's the map generation I
3624s	can see being looked at much more
3626s	closely as as a larger change but the
3629s	overall functionality of the dungeons
3631s	I I really I really like those where
3633s	they are
3638s	um
3640s	uh some feedback here it's it's really
3642s	tedious to just always Dodge random
3644s	barricades in all of them I'd love to
3645s	see a bit more playful design around
3647s	their Unique Mechanics
3648s	yeah I mean there's
3650s	um
3654s	yeah
3656s	I I think that it falls victim to some
3659s	psychological trap that we had no idea
3662s	existed
3664s	um and don't know enough about it to
3666s	articulate properly the details around
3667s	it but I I would put
3670s	I I I'd put up for
3673s	a suggestion of debate
3676s	um
3677s	that there's there's likely
3679s	some
3681s	like feels bad moment or some negative
3685s	reaction to
3688s	um
3690s	like if if you were to draw the same
3692s	like pathways
3695s	and have let's let's draw again because
3698s	I'm not gonna explain as well
3700s	see say you had two random maps that you
3702s	were you were drawing whoa
3706s	so you're two random raps you're drawing
3708s	number one and number two
3710s	and uh number one had these like
3714s	Pathways and I'm realizing gonna take a
3717s	lot longer to to draw than I want
3720s	um
3723s	so we're just gonna try and draw the
3725s	same thing quickly uh
3727s	there we go
3729s	let's let's say let's say you had these
3731s	these these two layouts
3733s	um and then
3735s	uh in number one you you just like put a
3737s	large barricade here but you can still
3739s	see this pathway here right
3742s	um and then on this other one instead
3745s	you actually just had a line with no
3748s	Pathways you can't see the path that was
3750s	there
3751s	um and maybe maybe there's a way to get
3753s	over here there's another thing that
3754s	goes off to the side so it's like it's
3756s	over there but like there's no
3757s	connection that's been blocked off it's
3758s	like a full-on severed connection
3761s	I I think and I have nothing to back
3764s	this stuff apart from observations and
3765s	comments I've been reading about about
3767s	uh like our game compared other games
3769s	things like that is that I bet number
3771s	one feels way worse than number two even
3773s	though they are functionally identical
3777s	um because I think in number two your
3779s	brain goes oh there's no path there and
3782s	in Number One your brain goes
3784s	oh the path got blocked
3790s	nothing to back this up academically
3792s	whatsoever
3794s	um so if anyone has any information on
3796s	this that they think is relevant I'm
3797s	very interested to read it
3802s	or watch it if it's a video or whatever
3804s	but like
3806s	um and I think we're falling victim to
3807s	this right now
3809s	I think that
3811s	um The Experience people are having in
3812s	the dungeons is pretty significantly
3815s	hampered because they can see a path
3816s	that was blocked rather than just not
3819s	having a path there in the first place
3821s	um and I don't know how to fix that I
3823s	don't know
3824s	um and I like like with our current
3825s	system and the current tools we have
3827s	available we can't fix that
3829s	um so we we need to figure out a way to
3831s	fix it if that's the problem maybe maybe
3833s	there's another problem I don't know
3836s	we did
3837s	um
3838s	we did reduce the number of
3841s	uh blocks that get put in in general so
3843s	it's just there's just more open paths
3846s	on average and you'll you'll run into
3847s	that situation less just naturally
3855s	we have to take a question all right
3856s	I'll I'll go
3858s	back and look for your question
3860s	oh it's a big one with a three-parter oh
3865s	I can see why you didn't retype it out
3869s	uh so a random end game idea for the
3872s	monk fit okay so I just before I even
3874s	keep going here I don't write down any
3877s	ideas from the stream that people send
3879s	in because they do get this Fair bit um
3881s	I will forget about this by the time the
3882s	stream ends
3884s	um if you'd like the suggestion to be
3886s	actually considered because we do we do
3887s	consider
3888s	um uh uh a fan suggestions and and play
3891s	suggestions and like like we we
3893s	definitely look at those
3894s	um so if you do want to be considered
3896s	please submit this to the forums or the
3900s	Discord there are suggestions and like
3902s	to see or feedback and suggestions
3904s	sections in each of those
3906s	um
3907s	and uh and stuff gets pulled from now
3910s	that's what I like I'll you know before
3913s	bed I'll sit and I'll go through and
3914s	read the suggestions for the day or I
3916s	wake up in the morning I'll read some
3917s	suggestions from from the night before
3918s	that's something so like there's there's
3920s	lots and you get feedback from the
3921s	community so you got the people that
3922s	start chatting about it and say like oh
3924s	I really like that idea because XYZ or
3926s	oh I uh I think you could maybe you
3928s	could update it by doing this other
3929s	thing or oh it's kind of already in the
3931s	game this way type thing or you know
3933s	that sort of stuff so I think you get
3934s	discussions and it really helps
3936s	um
3940s	rise to top makes it easier for us to to
3942s	filter through but yes I will with that
3944s	disclaimer out of the way I will read it
3951s	all right uh playing with the whole time
3954s	thing let's say that one of the unique
3956s	Echoes was based around the secondary
3957s	characters of the boss of that Echo
3959s	would be a reflection of one of those
3960s	characters if you have any uh and for
3963s	the drops as well as the arena in the
3965s	counter is held in would reflect the
3967s	arena that was most uh farmed by that
3970s	character
3972s	um yeah so this is actually something I
3973s	know I know this keeps going more posts
3975s	but also note this is something we've
3976s	considered doing um and I think we I'm
3979s	more likely so there's kind of a hint of
3981s	this already in the game funny enough
3983s	um the and and and this is something
3987s	that we haven't really settled on if
3988s	we're gonna do or not or if we do how
3990s	much it'll be but it's an idea that a
3992s	lot of us have like we've we've
3993s	mentioned we're like could we do this
3994s	yeah probably actually and and like we
3996s	love this type thing so it's sort of as
3998s	far as we've gotten to this and not
3999s	actually implementing it but having so
4001s	the arena bosses the arena the arena um
4004s	limited Arena bosses there's three of
4006s	them
4007s	and they're cut they're they're a player
4009s	character essentially with specific
4010s	player character abilities in a suspect
4012s	in a specific way
4014s	um
4015s	and we like I think we try to do some
4017s	pretty cool and creative stuff there and
4020s	um especially with side note the Rogue
4022s	one
4023s	um if you kill it uses decoy but doesn't
4026s	force you to attack it because that
4027s	would be weird but if you do kill the
4029s	Rogues decoy in The Limited Arena boss
4031s	fight before the decoy blows up it drops
4034s	a whole bunch of crafting materials so
4036s	it does incentivize you to attack it so
4038s	it kind of is like a deep one you know
4039s	that's the effect anyways
4041s	um
4042s	is we we've considered being like okay
4044s	end of uh there's there's
4047s	um ladder finishes uh maybe the top
4050s	three people from that ladder get we we
4052s	take their builds or we take their we
4054s	take their characters that they got
4055s	those top three spots and then we design
4058s	boss fights for the next limited Arena
4060s	season around those characters
4063s	um and so it wouldn't be just like a
4065s	one-to-one straight like hey take those
4067s	characters just use them because there'd
4068s	be all sorts of weird stuff it won't
4069s	make good boss fights but it's like okay
4071s	well here's like we'll take as much of
4073s	them as possible and make it into a fun
4074s	boss fight
4076s	uh maybe they're using a specific unique
4078s	and we'll like work that in so you're
4080s	like it's like you're playing against
4081s	the person who won the arena last season
4083s	type thing
4085s	um so we we've toyed with ideas like
4088s	this before
4089s	um
4090s	uh and I like I said I don't know if we
4092s	can or we'll ever do something like this
4094s	but I do love this type of idea
4097s	uh it's almost finished reading the rest
4099s	of them then let's say in other parts
4100s	that drop pool would be some actual
4102s	equipment that that character uh last
4105s	had equipped and depending on how long
4107s	that character has been assigned to your
4108s	account so I'm sort of uh tiering system
4110s	would be uh how the possible legendary
4113s	potential tier might assigned uh
4116s	basically over tying the equipment in a
4118s	lower time sense would continue to get
4120s	stronger the irritable equipment would
4122s	be locked in or not maybe would be
4124s	dynamic but uh because based on the time
4127s	of the first encounter with that
4129s	particular secondary character but you
4131s	could go back to that character and
4133s	after some sort of condition is met like
4135s	additional game time where you could
4137s	reset the locked burnable equipment that
4140s	could drop on other characters this
4142s	could play into continuously improving
4144s	secondary equipment our characters
4145s	indirectly when playing other builds
4148s	question mark
4151s	um yeah so there's a lot of stuff there
4152s	and I kind of got lost in it um I I
4155s	would uh yeah like we've we've we've
4158s	toyed around with ideas around this
4164s	it's not something we're ready to do
4166s	but um it is really interesting I do
4168s	love it
4170s	the the intention behind it
4176s	it's very unlikely that we would use
4178s	your own characters
4181s	um if you're interested to be back on
4184s	the idea
4185s	um the main problem with using your own
4188s	characters
4192s	um is that you end up with
4196s	um opportunities to cheese the system
4200s	um so like going in with like a really
4202s	terrible character but with like one
4204s	really awesome piece of gear on it that
4206s	you then uh like bring your friend
4208s	within multiplayer to kill specifically
4210s	to have like your drop and duplicate
4212s	over to them so it's like this like
4213s	weird convoluted trade system that you
4215s	can set up then and it's like it's they
4218s	they used to having like Forum posts
4219s	that are like
4221s	um come kill this boss with me it can
4223s	drop this item uh and it's like you know
4226s	you know there's there's
4228s	I think there's opportunities for abuse
4231s	in there be making it your own character
4232s	but having it be
4235s	um
4238s	having it be like the the characters
4240s	that were that like won the season last
4243s	last cycle uh I think it's a really
4247s	fun way to get that Community
4248s	interaction involvement
4250s	um and like semi immortalization of this
4252s	character you know it's a reward to work
4254s	towards things like that and and just
4256s	because it's not something that we have
4257s	specifically planned for the game but
4259s	more of a a pitch I heard years ago
4262s	and people were positive towards and
4265s	just talking about the style of things
4266s	that I think we'd like to work
4272s	I think
4274s	we may have crashed
4276s	unfortunate
4278s	server May crashed
4281s	uh let's give it a minute
4283s	uh so then to follow up how careful are
4285s	you with effects that quote break game
4288s	rules for example an item that allows
4290s	crit multi-scaling dot damage I think
4292s	those are very very cool effects yeah I
4295s	think um
4296s	ones that break the rules are often the
4298s	ones that do have an actual downside or
4301s	uh or a big opportunity cost like that
4303s	would be though like belts uh boots that
4305s	don't have movement speed on them you
4306s	know that sort of thing
4308s	um
4310s	to to break break rules in some way and
4314s	um
4315s	yeah
4317s	put any big downside on
4320s	so I mean like uh
4322s	the singularity
4325s	uh like uh uh Idol
4330s	is uh is a pretty good example that I
4332s	think where it's got It's got a big
4333s	downside but it does kind of Break The
4334s	Rules uh in that it basically says hit
4337s	builds don't need crit anymore can't use
4339s	grit anymore
4341s	um
4342s	so like it has this big downside but it
4345s	also has this like okay well you know it
4347s	doesn't need creating work since hit
4349s	they do way more damage and yeah I know
4350s	it's not quite powerful enough and all
4351s	that sort of stuff I think
4356s	that we are going to
4361s	slap this up oh no
4363s	I ruined it
4365s	Mike what are you doing
4370s	you said nothing I have no idea what
4372s	you're talking about
4381s	it was all a Dream It's a figment of
4383s	your imagination
4386s	it's not real
4390s	I'm just repeating the game here
4394s	this is new Noob streamer mic 101.
4398s	all right let's answer another question
4399s	while we're doing this
4401s	uh does any plan with the buff up let's
4403s	use skills for more build variations so
4405s	players have more freedom uh and feel
4407s	less pressed to play what's meta um so I
4410s	mean there's
4411s	the short answer is yes uh the longer
4415s	answer is there's always going to be
4416s	things that are meta and there always
4418s	has to be things that are less powerful
4419s	than there are things in order for
4421s	things to be more powerful
4424s	um
4424s	so we do try to have as many possible
4428s	builds be uh be viable for for end game
4432s	content and be viable for like pushing
4434s	high-end content
4436s	um but
4439s	we also know we can't have
4442s	like it's it's like it's the classic if
4445s	every build Special no build Special you
4447s	know
4448s	um
4449s	there needs to be there needs to be
4450s	something that says hey this is this is
4453s	this one's really sweet
4455s	uh compared to this other one and
4458s	um we do try and have as many options
4460s	that are really sweet as possible but
4463s	um
4465s	we we don't specifically go and look at
4468s	builds that are like abilities that are
4470s	uh maybe less popular or are underused
4474s	and say like okay we need to buff this
4476s	specifically
4477s	um it's it's more of hey let's look at
4480s	what sort of gameplay patterns and
4482s	styles and Fantasies we can enable
4484s	um and bring forward as a possibility as
4486s	an option something that that is fun and
4488s	viable and will work well
4491s	so yeah we do want as many options as
4493s	possible
4494s	um but we we also look at it
4496s	realistically in the sense that there's
4499s	um it's there's no point in attempting
4501s	to make all of the things possible
4507s	all right more questions
4511s	uh opposed to barriers to block the path
4514s	you could block them with portals that
4516s	teleport you around to spots on the map
4518s	uh lets it be more puzzle labyrinthy
4521s	like yeah like like so you said you said
4523s	that immediately what comes to mind was
4526s	um
4528s	uh
4529s	the the
4531s	I'm gonna age myself here in the
4534s	um Pokemon Red and Blue
4536s	and yellow and green
4539s	um the the psychic gym
4543s	in
4546s	Saffron City
4548s	I don't remember the city
4550s	um the psychic gym though it's it's just
4552s	like it's nine rooms that each have four
4555s	teleporters in them except the Center
4557s	Square which is one and the entrance
4558s	just two I think but anyways it's it's
4561s	each teleporter takes you to a random
4562s	tile
4563s	not random but like it feels random at
4566s	first
4568s	um and you have to use these teleporters
4569s	to navigate your way to the to the the
4571s	boss fight in the middle of the gym gym
4573s	leader
4575s	um and I I I
4577s	was never a huge fan of that one myself
4580s	as a child
4582s	um
4585s	but uh I I do I do I do I know it's a
4589s	little different in this situation
4592s	um
4594s	is a cool alternative though the big
4597s	problem is is that
4599s	um
4601s	it's like I don't know if that
4608s	um if that fixes the problem like hey I
4610s	was trying to go right
4613s	and the the path I was traveling to go
4615s	right uh stopped and there was a
4618s	teleporter there and that teleporter
4620s	made me go really far left so I actually
4622s	made negative progress in going right is
4624s	that worse I have no idea
4628s	is it way better because you get to keep
4630s	moving at least and keep killing stuff
4631s	and you're keep progressing maybe maybe
4633s	it's way better
4635s	oh
4637s	that's actually uh
4639s	quite interesting
4645s	that's quite interesting too actually
4653s	okay
4655s	it's not not a huge amount of stuff to
4657s	work with before the potential
4659s	during threshold we don't have much
4662s	endurance stuff at all
4664s	I need new belts my goodness I need new
4667s	belts
4670s	I mean
4671s	even with the botched stats I just yeah
4674s	okay I'm gonna do our belt first
4682s	uh yep
4686s	uh we're gonna we're gonna chaos that
4690s	sure I mean we're not using fire damage
4691s	right now but
4698s	okay
4711s	foreign
4714s	such a huge upgrade oh my God
4718s	it's technically not strictly better
4721s	uh but my God
4725s	it's it's it's it's just better in every
4727s	way it sells 24 minutes left too that's
4729s	going the ground you know that's just
4730s	that's getting thrown on the ground with
4732s	impunity
4737s	yeah this is also a lot better
4741s	flight endurance is better than the
4742s	threshold
4745s	um
4754s	that did not go as well
4757s	still went fantastic
4762s	all right
4764s	I look for upgrades sometimes every once
4766s	in a while
4769s	that's great
4771s	love it
4773s	all right
4780s	hello Mike hello how are you I recognize
4783s	that name uh
4785s	uh your name not my I do recognize mine
4788s	but yeah okay that's oh my goodness uh
4790s	any chance we can have the exact number
4792s	for the remaining cooldown or time for
4795s	Buffs and debuffs displayed on the UI
4800s	um maybe the classic answer like
4803s	if you've got a suggestion please put in
4806s	the suggestions box on the forums or
4807s	whatever
4808s	um I I
4810s	you know the
4816s	most the time I think the pace the
4819s	general pace of combat means having
4823s	um
4825s	uh like like a number in the tooltip
4827s	that says like emails over it says like
4829s	oh there's two seconds left to school
4830s	down a river
4831s	um I think that's generally problematic
4834s	in that it's
4836s	um
4837s	not generally not accessible enough I
4839s	think as as for like putting it on the
4841s	actual icon
4844s	um
4847s	I I can I can see the argument for that
4849s	I think it matters a lot more because we
4850s	shy we try and shy away from cool down
4853s	so heavily
4855s	um
4857s	that like you're you're not
4860s	generally you don't want to be like
4861s	looking at your bar going like
4867s	okay let me start over again I I think
4870s	that having a timer on a cold so you've
4872s	got four abilities with with cooldowns
4875s	um and you're you're like you're you're
4877s	cycling them or whatever on cool down
4879s	and everything
4880s	um having that information on
4883s	um
4887s	on your
4893s	uh sorry hot tip here the discover
4895s	they're into Discovery don't use 40
4898s	potential
4899s	anyways
4900s	um
4901s	have you you have four four abilities
4903s	here on cooldown and having the actual
4905s	number on there so like um like here we
4908s	have if we have the number on this which
4910s	one's gonna come off cool down first
4911s	like who we can see teleport is going to
4913s	come out first but if we had that number
4914s	it was ticking down and we're like okay
4915s	well this one's going to be here first I
4918s	think that information and having that
4919s	relative timer information for each
4921s	skill is really important when you are
4923s	focusing on a really heavy cooldown
4925s	build typically in more of uh in in a in
4928s	a game where you're positioning your
4931s	moment to moment positioning on of your
4934s	character is much less important and I
4936s	guess what I'm describing here is more
4937s	of an mmoe type uh type game so like
4940s	you're the the the game that comes to
4942s	mind for myself in my past with with a
4944s	system like that is wow
4946s	foreign
4949s	and
4951s	you you don't move that much in in
4956s	a big boss fight in wow
4958s	um
4959s	not really anyways uh and you you spend
4963s	a lot more time managing your cooldowns
4968s	in general at least at least the build I
4969s	played it
4971s	um
4972s	and like
4973s	I got you get add-ons to manage your
4976s	cooldowns and things like that to help
4977s	with it even more
4981s	um I think for the most part we try to
4984s	uh to make it so you are
4988s	um you're managing like one or two
4990s	cooldowns usually it's a utility skill
4992s	and a movement skill and maybe maybe a
4995s	large offensive skill that's sort of
4996s	like your your your sum total of
4998s	cooldown management
5001s	in most situations
5003s	um
5007s	I mean I I could see it as as something
5010s	that someone's really used to it
5011s	um if you really want it it's it's not
5013s	it's not a bad idea I guess I'm just
5015s	talking about why we haven't done it so
5017s	far
5018s	but if you'd like it to be considered
5020s	forms
5024s	all righty then
5034s	also not bad
5039s	thanks the answers appreciate it you're
5041s	welcome I don't know what question it
5042s	was I'm sorry excited uh mostly just
5044s	look at the question titles not the
5045s	names as much but
5048s	let's like the answer
5049s	uh all right
5054s	you previously said that the fifth Rune
5055s	Master skill was back up for negotiation
5057s	has that been filled yet and did uh the
5061s	pet skill win out it uh it has been
5064s	filled
5066s	um it is not a pet skill
5073s	and it was Falconer was the fifth skill
5075s	that we were talking about I think not
5077s	remastered
5080s	and it has been filled and it is a pet
5083s	skill
5091s	I could be wrong maybe it was remastered
5092s	as well
5097s	uh either way remaster skills are all
5100s	finalized we've
5102s	um
5104s	all of all the remaster skills have
5106s	their skill trees design finished
5111s	um
5112s	and implementation is well on its way
5118s	we actually had our first internal
5120s	remastered play test this morning
5130s	just to get a feel for you
5138s	mostly to see if the class mechanic was
5140s	fun
5144s	spoiler alert
5150s	oh no no run
5153s	Avalanche
5158s	oh all right next question here do you
5161s	have any plans on balancing
5163s	crap maybe capping the [ __ ] multiplier
5165s	but the singularity uh and add more of
5167s	those types of items
5169s	um yeah there's been sort of a a
5171s	nebulous crit we work in in the pipe for
5174s	like a year now
5177s	um
5178s	it's still it's still we we're still
5181s	working on it it's still things that we
5182s	uh take into consideration when we're
5184s	designing like we've been designing
5185s	three Master uh abilities this this last
5188s	couple weeks and um the skill trees for
5190s	them and we're like okay well let's do
5191s	it this way in anticipation of that
5193s	eventual crit rework that happens
5204s	all right you mentioned there was
5206s	something in the to-do list regarding uh
5209s	show comparison frames
5213s	regarding show comparison frames for two
5216s	slot items like rings and first weapons
5218s	properly
5225s	[Music]
5227s	like like hitting control here and
5229s	having the right the the the set ring
5231s	that's in my off ring slot show up
5234s	um yeah I mean I nothing's been done
5241s	oh
5244s	go in here when will we see T4 jewelry B
5248s	build kill I don't know
5251s	I would love to play B build that'd be
5253s	fun
5254s	I'm really enjoying meteor guys it's
5256s	it's awesome
5257s	I don't know what it is about it but
5259s	just to like
5261s	I'm gonna cover the screen in meteors
5264s	it feels it feels you know I just
5266s	realize it feels like it feels kind of
5268s	like I'm playing an old jrpg
5270s	um like like a Final Fantasy game and
5273s	there's like a big casting effect and
5276s	it's just like raw whole screen
5281s	um
5282s	that's what it is
5285s	oh the Final Fantasy 9
5288s	um there's there's like a a tribute
5290s	video to Final Fantasy 9 uh created in
5295s	ue5 that is um that just came out
5301s	um the memorial project
5303s	and if you haven't seen it yet go check
5305s	it out it's just it's just a it's just a
5306s	video it's about half an hour I think
5309s	um maybe 45 minutes
5311s	but uh
5313s	oh it's great it's one of those things
5314s	where you're like you watch it and
5316s	you're like oh my God I wish this was
5318s	real
5320s	um
5322s	very cool check it out
5326s	on XX each year was is working on it was
5330s	working on it because it just finished
5338s	and Final Fantasy 9 is my favorite Final
5341s	Fantasy what's up
5343s	I'd actually been following it since
5345s	like before
5346s	uh before they started on it and they
5350s	started like I know you look funny I'm
5351s	like I know all about this
5355s	I love it
5358s	oh let's do it let's do a staff let's do
5361s	a staff
5362s	let's go
5365s	right
5369s	we don't have any roots of Ascension
5370s	let's not do a staff
5375s	uh sometimes I'm terrible
5382s	the new minion cold sword that was made
5384s	with any particular Mastery in mind I
5386s	don't think so
5389s	um
5391s	I don't actually know the I can't
5392s	remember the stats on it but like minion
5394s	cold
5396s	um first thing comes to mind is saber
5397s	tooth
5400s	uh right did you ever see
5403s	breaking game rules of ability making
5405s	game rule of abilities tied to classes
5409s	do you ever see breaking game rule of
5411s	abilities tied to classes
5416s	struggled though I don't know what that
5417s	means maybe class doesn't have its own
5419s	skills but I can pull one from each oh
5422s	oh only has four specialization slots
5424s	for example I understand what you're
5425s	talking about so like a um
5427s	uh we're talking like a Scion like a a a
5430s	POV cyan type character
5432s	that um that doesn't have its own skill
5435s	tree pool or doesn't have its own skill
5437s	pool but it it and like so suggestion
5439s	here is it's for for Mastery slots
5443s	um but you can pull skills from multiple
5445s	classes to do it
5447s	um
5449s	um we we've we've con like so I I can do
5452s	this in the editor
5454s	um with with devtools like I can
5455s	literally do this no problem
5457s	um and I've toyed around with it a few
5459s	times to do to do some fun things but it
5461s	doesn't really work
5463s	um and there are there are a few really
5465s	specific combinations that do really
5467s	cool stuff and do work
5468s	um but for the most part like like the
5471s	vast majority of situations you just end
5473s	up with absolute Jank it's just insane
5477s	and and the uh the reason I started
5479s	playing around with this the first time
5480s	was because
5481s	um my buddies was playing a wow mod uh
5485s	Ascension I think
5487s	um that lets you that it's like a draft
5489s	your your skills as you level up you get
5492s	handed like here pick one of these three
5494s	skills instead of uh here's the skills
5496s	you get for leveling up in your class
5498s	it's like a classless wow and and so
5500s	that's kind of what you're what you're
5501s	looking at is like a classless character
5502s	in Epoch and
5505s	um
5506s	we we tie class identity into so many
5509s	things like we tie class identity into
5511s	relics chest helmets into
5514s	um into into Idols once you get past the
5516s	one and two slot Idols they're all class
5518s	specific
5519s	um like there's there's specific thing
5521s	like weapons that can be held in offhand
5523s	for each class there's like all the
5525s	passives and and how they interact with
5526s	specific skills like there's specific
5529s	skills referenced in passives like lots
5531s	of volcanic or up here
5532s	um and
5534s	having this like Rogue classless class
5537s	in this this is this blank slate
5541s	is
5542s	um
5544s	I think it's really cool
5546s	and
5547s	um
5548s	I I can see there being
5551s	um
5552s	like an attempt to do something like
5554s	this in the far future
5556s	uh I don't know how that would work yet
5559s	um I I get getting
5562s	um individual class abilities to appear
5565s	on multiple skills or classes
5568s	or or any class I think is a more likely
5571s	step for those types of
5574s	um like hard class because because right
5576s	now we're strictly class strictly type
5578s	class and
5580s	um
5582s	getting that to be a little softer I
5583s	think the way that happens instead of
5585s	having a new class that doesn't care
5587s	about those rules I think you'd see
5589s	individual skills that don't care about
5591s	those rules so possibly skills that are
5593s	maybe granted through uh the wearing of
5596s	a weapon or an item in general so like
5598s	like okay here put on this uh these
5601s	boots and you get this new movement
5603s	skill that anyone anyone can get as much
5605s	skill and specializable as long as you
5607s	have these boots equipped
5610s	something like that I think would be
5611s	more likely to be seen just
5613s	in order to fit in with everything else
5615s	in the game better and not cause
5617s	problems
5624s	uh
5628s	that's nice
5638s	okay
5641s	Doom star
5647s	next question
5650s	will there ever be puzzles out of the
5653s	game thinking of something similar to
5654s	what currently appears uh 11th yeah and
5657s	um
5661s	oh another Echo broke that's too bad
5664s	we'll give it a minute to make sure will
5666s	there be a puzzles out of the game so I
5668s	think that this is um
5671s	I really like the idea of puzzles in the
5673s	game
5676s	um
5678s	I think it's a tough thing to
5680s	incorporate into this style of game
5682s	not impossible but tough
5684s	and
5689s	I think I think a lot of times players
5691s	end up fitting into a couple categories
5694s	with the puzzles depending on how hard
5696s	they are and how good you are at puzzles
5697s	and if you've done them before all sort
5698s	of stuff
5699s	um but I think it's really easy to have
5701s	players fall into a situation where it's
5703s	the first time you've ever seen it and
5706s	it's really hard it takes a long time
5708s	and
5711s	um the reward ends up not being worth it
5714s	because it took so long to do
5717s	um and and possibly it's it's something
5719s	that's mandatory for your character to
5721s	go through uh and you end up struggling
5723s	with it and it ends up being
5726s	uh
5727s	one of these things where you're like I
5729s	have to do this and you end up bashing
5731s	your head against the wall and sometimes
5732s	it can be a wall that you bounce off of
5737s	and then once you know how to do the
5739s	puzzles and and that sort of stuff
5740s	because
5743s	um there's got to be some sort of
5744s	pattern to them probably
5746s	once once you get the point where you're
5748s	like good enough at it or you've done it
5749s	a few times you know the answer and that
5751s	sort of stuff I think you can really
5752s	easily get into a situation where it's
5754s	no longer engaging no longer interesting
5756s	because it is just uh oh this is uh left
5759s	left right left left right right done or
5764s	and and then you also get people who end
5766s	up in the I'm going to go look up the
5769s	answer online
5771s	and you don't get a you don't get that
5774s	you don't get an interesting experience
5775s	out of it
5777s	um
5778s	so I I think there's some
5782s	pitfalls
5784s	uh that that are uh that are tough to do
5789s	they make it really tough to implement
5791s	well I do think the poe one is actually
5793s	really cool I really like that section
5795s	of Poe
5796s	um and I I the first time I got there I
5799s	was I was thrilled with it and I uh you
5801s	know like it's it's it was really
5802s	interesting and cool and something
5803s	different and
5805s	um
5808s	yeah so I I think there's there's a lot
5810s	of room for awesomeness to happen there
5812s	um it's not something that we're
5813s	actively pursuing right now for Epoch
5816s	but I do think it's a cool option A
5818s	Place to uh expand into the future
5823s	uh welcome back
5834s	does everybody see the time played on a
5836s	specific character I'm thinking like
5837s	Slash playing other games we do not have
5839s	one
5841s	I don't think we have that I don't think
5842s	we we track it even right now
5849s	a little class combining like ribbed on
5851s	yeah and that's
5854s	um
5855s	like that's
5858s	in in a way that's kind of the inverse
5860s	uh we kind of do the inverse of that
5861s	right now
5864s	so I'm playing uh a sorcerer
5869s	like style blade off kind of thing you
5871s	know like it's it's the that secondary
5874s	class thing you get access to like the
5876s	main class I'm playing the sorcerer
5878s	um and there's this sort of
5880s	um
5882s	extra stuff from another class that's
5884s	there as well on remastered as well will
5885s	be there so it's it's it's uh the the
5888s	class combining system from
5891s	um Grim Don is is is like take two
5894s	things and put them together and make
5897s	make a bigger picture
5900s	and we've more said okay we've got like
5904s	pick a primary and a secondary in a
5906s	tertiary or Primary in two secondaries
5910s	is more the route we've gone with that I
5912s	don't think combining those two systems
5915s	would would really mesh well
5927s	off topic with this room was saying
5928s	today on stream How Sweet Ellie is and
5930s	wants to see 1.0 for you guys yeah
5934s	um this one's been uh it's been really
5936s	cool to see zizer as such a like
5941s	um people people having sorry BRB
5943s	screens still up I put the BRB screen up
5945s	in order to restart my game because I
5947s	couldn't get into an echo and I can't
5949s	get into that Echo again
5952s	um something for the BRB screen back up
5953s	again to to reset this
5955s	is a little time left this
5957s	doesn't take that long to reset but I am
5959s	still here
5961s	I'll come back don't worry
5967s	um yeah it's been really cool this room
5969s	is awesome
5970s	um we've done a bunch of stuff with this
5972s	already and uh
5975s	you know that's that's one of the really
5977s	wild things about working on this game
5979s	has been
5981s	um
5982s	be able to interact with and see these
5984s	people play your game that you uh you've
5987s	like watched play other games for for
5989s	years and that sort of stuff
5991s	um this is not the only one that of
5994s	streamers that I've
5996s	that we've had we've like had to play
5998s	our game that I'm like this is so cool
5999s	it's like that this is so cool moment
6002s	um where you're just like
6006s	I don't know it's I really like like
6008s	stuff like that it's neat
6021s	I really I really want to get uh day
6023s	nine to play
6026s	my fingers crossed
6029s	he did um
6031s	he played Wilson and he played uh Magic
6034s	Legends
6036s	um
6037s	which was magic Legends was the uh
6040s	the the magic RPG
6043s	um
6044s	image of the other end but um
6047s	uh I I want like I love Magic the
6051s	Gathering so much
6053s	um the game and
6057s	I I wanted to love like I love RPGs and
6060s	I love magic I'm like this game I am the
6064s	target audience for this game
6066s	oh it sucks
6069s	and like there's so many awesome things
6071s	about it and like
6075s	the the the the like the underlying
6078s	mechanic of how you how skills got on
6080s	your bar that on that underlying
6082s	mechanic that was so core to the
6084s	gameplay
6086s	um just didn't click and it was like you
6089s	I I really wanted to like it and like
6093s	it was it was so close to being awesome
6097s	um and maybe maybe if I'd pushed with it
6098s	with it longer and like really dug in we
6101s	were so busy when it came out
6103s	um because I like you put 30 hours into
6106s	it and I thought I thought I got a
6108s	pretty good feel for the system
6110s	um
6112s	but like oh I wanted to like that game
6115s	so bad
6117s	I like it was it was really cool to to
6120s	like take control of this Planeswalker
6122s	in in a more active role and like build
6124s	your own Planeswalker in this more
6126s	active role and and
6129s	um kind of how it would feel to to be a
6132s	part of that world more
6133s	um
6135s	and that the the the fact that the
6137s	abilities on your bar
6139s	we're not in fixed positions and we're
6142s	not the same abilities at any given time
6143s	like like they randomly cycled out if
6147s	you're unaware if you use abilities like
6148s	I say use meteor here and then meteor
6150s	would go to the bottom of my deck and I
6152s	would draw a new spell off top my deck
6153s	and put it where meteor is instead so as
6155s	you're using and drawing abilities they
6157s	get cycled into new slots on your bar
6159s	and so you have like 30 abilities
6161s	instead of six or or five or four or
6164s	whatever and
6165s	um they're always in different spots in
6167s	your bar and you never know which which
6170s	is there so you're constantly having to
6172s	like manage your your bar your spellbar
6175s	at the same time and it was like it's a
6177s	really cool idea on paper and it like it
6179s	really draws home it brings that card
6181s	drawing mechanic and like that that like
6183s	that because it's a card game and it's
6184s	got its roots in that card game it
6186s	really brings it brings it home it's
6187s	it's like it's thematic and it it's it's
6190s	really interesting and cool and it's
6192s	just not fun
6195s	it's so sad that it's just not fun
6199s	oh sorry that game was
6203s	so hyped for it
6205s	I thought they did a lot of things
6206s	really well
6208s	um
6210s	but
6216s	and yeah there was some monetization
6218s	problems too
6231s	all right you know what a rare
6233s	occurrence has happened I'm all cut up
6235s	I'm gonna put up the
6239s	this is this is what showed up on screen
6241s	at least the last teaser I've got lots
6243s	of these I've got
6245s	um
6246s	this is in like air quotes t-pose
6251s	a little preview here
6253s	and I know I'm sorry this this actually
6255s	this just showed up when I did the uh
6257s	BRB screen because I don't use it very
6259s	much
6267s	let's slide that down there leave it
6269s	there
6284s	alrighty then
6294s	oh we played Texas to ride last night
6297s	I thought I had it in the bag I was
6299s	finished finished kind of my points I
6301s	had like 138 or something which is
6303s	pretty good
6305s	um
6306s	go to count my buddy who's only ever
6308s	played once before
6310s	it's like 156 or something I was like oh
6312s	gross
6314s	just crushed it
6333s	nope not boots those are those are
6335s	potentially pretty awesome boots
6337s	actually
6342s	let's get those rolling
6351s	speaking of class fantasies what a
6354s	fantasy archetype do you think were not
6357s	well explored in RPG genre would you
6360s	like to see me be Ellie maybe not uh
6362s	bards I don't think I don't think is the
6365s	same answer for both questions uh bards
6367s	I don't think bards have been because
6369s	like like if we're gonna we're gonna
6371s	look at classes for arpgs
6374s	um a really easy place to look for
6375s	inspiration is like um d d Pathfinder
6378s	like tabletop pen and paper RPGs classic
6381s	ones or or whatever the setting is
6384s	um you can you can adjust the theming
6385s	based on what are the setting but yeah I
6387s	think I think pen and paper RPGs is a
6389s	great place to look for
6391s	um class inspiration I think bards is a
6394s	very underrepresented
6397s	um
6398s	uh uh class archetype in air produce in
6401s	general
6402s	I'm like you get little touches of them
6404s	and you see you see things in um boba's
6408s	you see Barnes and mobas all the time
6411s	um
6414s	but yeah not only in RPGs and uh
6418s	I I think part of that is
6422s	um
6426s	it's it's hard to incentivize a a barred
6430s	play style in a classless arpg because
6433s	it's so specific
6436s	um and and so different than
6439s	um then pretty well every other class
6441s	like like a fighter and a barbarian have
6443s	a lot of overlap
6445s	um
6446s	and like a sorcerer and a mage or a
6448s	sorcerer wizard I don't use Pathfinder
6450s	uh examples here Sorcerer And wizard
6452s	have uh have really a lot of overlap in
6455s	in their themings
6457s	and there's a lot of mechanical
6459s	differences there but there's a lot of
6460s	overlap there and um so you can have for
6463s	example if you're if you're if you're
6464s	looking at RPG themes or classes you
6466s	could have
6468s	um if your classless even you could have
6470s	themes though that
6472s	um you could have skills and items and
6475s	things like that that overlap with
6476s	multiple themes
6479s	um and archetypes and
6483s	because you could put a fireball in the
6485s	game and you could you could have that
6486s	theme work for a wizard or a sorcerer
6489s	um uh archetype in a classical system
6491s	and
6493s	um
6494s	hello
6496s	I think that you know you put you put
6499s	like
6500s	like perform like perform or
6504s	um you know like play play your
6506s	instrument or you know like
6508s	um something like inspiring shout you
6510s	start you get a little bit a little bit
6512s	of bleed in from like D2 Barb and
6515s	there's like a singer class there and
6516s	everything
6520s	it's it's
6523s	you get you get little pieces of it here
6524s	and there but you don't get the full
6525s	thing I don't think
6527s	um because when you when you get into
6529s	hard class games
6531s	there's so many more uh more typically
6534s	appealing archetypes uh that that get
6537s	prioritized in hard class games like
6539s	last Epoch for example we don't have a
6541s	bird class because we've you know
6543s	there's a lot more people are interested
6545s	in playing a necromancer than a Barb uh
6547s	it barred
6549s	um
6551s	so yeah you get
6554s	you know
6555s	um but I'd love to see a Bard class up
6559s	our you know theming
6561s	um like a performer like like uh like a
6563s	tricks like even I think it would have
6564s	to be a full separate class
6568s	um and you can do it as sort of like a
6570s	uh like a trickster uh performer I I
6575s	don't know all the I don't know the bass
6576s	classes all the Masters are maybe you
6578s	could do it as part of a rogue but uh I
6580s	don't think it fits well enough with the
6582s	other masteries
6583s	um
6589s	I'd love to see that
6594s	oh all right the Stat system is awesome
6597s	do you plan on implementing affinities
6600s	like in Poe to make dropping off items
6602s	smoother yes
6604s	probably won't be exactly the same
6606s	um we'll we'll look at how
6609s	um like well look at how we can improve
6612s	that process of dropping off items into
6614s	your own stash specifically for last
6616s	Epoch and how our stash is built and how
6618s	our game is built and that sort of stuff
6619s	so it might not look oh my gosh it feels
6621s	something right on the tip of my nose
6622s	[Music]
6625s	um
6627s	you'll it'll be a little bit different
6629s	probably we'll look at just how we can
6630s	improve the process of dropping off gear
6632s	in the stash for last Epoch
6634s	um
6635s	but I think Affinity is a good it's a
6637s	good example of how it's done well in
6638s	other games and
6640s	um
6641s	we we we would probably just try and
6644s	design something from scratch for
6645s	ourselves it might look very similar I
6646s	don't know
6650s	but as a goal it's a good goal
6654s	who's Spellman Insurance love it
6657s	um bird Mastery for a rogue in the
6660s	future then I I for the Rogue probably
6662s	not I think I think it would end up
6664s	being a different class but maybe it's
6665s	possible
6666s	uh I mean if we talk
6669s	uh we talk Ragnarok online then The Bard
6671s	uh is a bow user there so yeah it's a
6674s	good point I I have not played Ragnarok
6676s	online
6680s	not Ellie related but are you able to
6682s	escape fan are you planning on playing
6683s	ball to get three I kind of missed
6685s	Baldur's game
6687s	as a kid
6689s	um
6691s	I uh it was it was it just wasn't quite
6694s	I was playing
6695s	um
6697s	uh more rts's at the time
6700s	and uh and and uh Forex games
6704s	was the big stuff and and um
6708s	it's more like Adventure RPGs this is
6711s	more the types of stuff I was playing
6714s	action event refugees and um
6718s	I don't know the the the the game the
6720s	gameplay is as like as a kid just didn't
6723s	click
6724s	um and I kind of I kind of missed that
6726s	whole genre of like crpgs
6729s	um I have played some since there was a
6732s	Pathfinder when I played recently it was
6733s	a ton of fun
6735s	um
6739s	but yeah it's
6741s	I'm I'm not super hyped for
6744s	um
6748s	I'm not surprised for ball to Skate 3
6751s	just because I I didn't grow up with
6752s	that I don't have a big history of it
6754s	and I it's just I I've seen the trailer
6757s	oh the trailer was cool
6759s	they did a really fan like the trailer
6761s	was almost enough to bring me over on
6763s	its own
6764s	um but I'm like uh
6767s	there's 80 games in my to playlist
6770s	you know
6776s	oh right
6781s	next question
6783s	old orderings online
6786s	okay there's a few people there's bar
6788s	classes Monster Hunter uh
6790s	have you seen monster hunter hunting
6793s	horn as a version of the bar class I
6795s	have not
6796s	and uh latro had a Healer that does
6799s	heals with instruments and ballots like
6800s	Inspirations I do remember that
6803s	um and I did play that when I played
6805s	launcher very briefly
6808s	speaking of Lord of the Rings in magic
6811s	coming out soon
6814s	a little disappointed in the power level
6816s	of Gandalf in general I was kind of
6818s	hoping for more but you know decent the
6821s	Maddox are good
6825s	a lot a lot of awesome flavor wins there
6828s	a lot of really good cards too
6831s	try to make food good not sure how well
6833s	that's gonna go over
6835s	we'll see
6842s	huge Lord of the Rings for nerds to like
6843s	you know
6846s	obviously gonna play a bunch
6850s	all right is there possibility in uh
6853s	last Epoch to lastly about the Lord to
6855s	have mechanical themed class Mech limbs
6858s	are building turrets or summing Mech
6860s	meanings
6861s	um like yes
6870s	um
6872s	I I think there's
6876s	um
6879s	I
6880s	I think there's
6883s	um
6890s	I'm not I'm not a uh uh I'm I'm not big
6894s	with the lore
6896s	uh details and backgrounds so I I do not
6899s	claim Mastery over lore
6901s	at all and um
6905s	I I think there's possibly room for some
6909s	like
6911s	um it's like like ancient futuristic
6914s	things where it's like Soul it's
6916s	Advanced type style
6919s	um
6920s	which which like you can you can be like
6922s	okay well it's like old and broken down
6924s	and therefore it's not as as good as it
6926s	could be or something like that like
6926s	there's there's room for like why is it
6929s	not OP is f well because reasons uh and
6932s	like I said being something that gets
6933s	explored in in the future maybe like
6935s	we're looking for uh new stuff to put in
6938s	a Paxton feature but like it's not
6940s	um
6942s	I wouldn't put it as a something that's
6944s	coming soon at all
6951s	if it if it ever comes
6958s	I think it could be cool it can be
6959s	really cool
6960s	there was like uh
6962s	uh one of the newer charts like games
6965s	have like a a like a rail conductor
6969s	or like an engineer that like you could
6971s	build a train or something I don't even
6972s	know what it was
6974s	um
6975s	this seems really cool
6977s	it seemed like it was it was new
6979s	interesting different that sort of stuff
6981s	um I don't know how fun it was to play
6982s	or anything but
6986s	oh ads I uh have no control over ads
6990s	that are run here
6992s	um I didn't know ads ran here actually
6997s	that's interesting is that just
6999s	something that the ads run on every
7001s	stream
7002s	I don't I don't think I set that up
7010s	either way if we are collecting ad
7012s	Revenue it all goes to charity
7016s	but sorry about that
7018s	oh twitch automatically plays ads oh
7021s	didn't know that
7029s	if you're an affiliate or hire you get
7031s	ads interesting
7032s	I think that's like that's the like it's
7035s	it's required to hit if you're I I don't
7038s	know anything about this I'm sorry the
7040s	only streaming I've done is this stream
7042s	every week but I assume what it is is
7045s	that if you're high enough to have the
7048s	to be allowed to run oh I can run the
7049s	boss is that 400. if you're high enough
7051s	to uh to run oh it's past time we're
7053s	over time oh one more Echo sorry about
7056s	that
7057s	um if you're high enough to to be able
7058s	to have Subs they ought to run ads I
7061s	guess is what I'm assuming it probably
7062s	is
7076s	also
7081s	um I know there's some recent changes
7082s	that did that are coming down the pipe
7083s	or have come down the pipe before
7084s	advertising and twitch
7086s	um and I could be wrong about this and
7088s	so if I am wrong and someone knows
7090s	better please tell me as far as I'm
7091s	aware it doesn't affect us because our
7093s	stream is purely for charity
7096s	um
7099s	and because there's not like a charity
7101s	that's paying us to promote their
7103s	charity but rather just everything that
7106s	happens is just for the charity uh
7108s	directly I think I think I think it is
7112s	uh totally unaffected
7127s	and I think we're also the the banner ad
7130s	we do have is
7131s	small enough anyways I think
7133s	I think
7140s	ah all right
7142s	a couple more questions here we're a
7143s	little overtime but I'm having fun so
7145s	let's keep going right on the Mac theme
7146s	I was more thinking Warhammer 40K Space
7149s	Marine Legion ah they replaced their
7151s	limbs and organs with mechanical Parts
7152s	even add more they just hate flesh
7155s	um I I really doubt we'd never go that
7157s	far I think I think that would be like
7161s	uh it's 2033 and the game's still going
7163s	and and we're running out of ideas type
7166s	type uh type expansion
7170s	um
7172s	so I hope I hope we get there that'd be
7174s	sweet no I I um I I don't think we'll
7177s	get there sorry
7181s	we I know we very intentionally steered
7182s	clear of that type of theming in the
7184s	past
7191s	I remember your original streams making
7193s	skills on stream yeah that's a long time
7195s	ago that's like that's like four years
7198s	ago
7199s	I only did like a dozen of those ever
7203s	um at most maybe even less I just mucked
7207s	around and I was just like I'm just
7209s	gonna turn the stream on and just work
7211s	while I stream
7213s	uh
7215s	yeah
7217s	that was a long time ago that's cool
7221s	it's it's neat it's very neat that
7223s	you've been here long enough to remember
7224s	that so that's cool
7227s	thanks for sticking around
7233s	all right are there any topics that
7235s	people never ask about but you want to
7237s	talk about more not really I um
7240s	I'm pretty liberal with my ramblings
7245s	um
7248s	but if I have something I feel like
7250s	talking about I just kind of talk about
7251s	it oh that was close
7268s	that did way less damage than I expected
7271s	oh I just uploaded everything out of
7276s	not good not good
7284s	why did that do so much more damage
7288s	I genuinely do not know why that second
7290s	meteor shower just nuked him and the
7292s	first one did like tickle tickle tickle
7299s	oh well we got there no big deal
7303s	easy mode
7308s	okay
7310s	let's go do it for a stance use it
7311s	anymore uh MTX questions are there any
7315s	plans for MTX that change pet
7317s	appearances or shape-shifting
7318s	appearances oh like uh like in-game pets
7321s	like uh like change your uh your saber
7325s	tooth or change your bear or change your
7326s	Falcon and things like that yes
7328s	um we do have skill ntx planned
7330s	um you see that down here
7332s	and
7334s	um
7335s	those will include uh uh pets so like
7339s	yeah your your Necromancer pets your um
7342s	Beastmaster pets your everything pets we
7344s	do we do plan to have skeleton GX for
7347s	each class each each skill eventually
7350s	those will take quite a while to get in
7351s	those are not uh being worked on yet
7354s	so that's that's a ways down the line
7356s	um so don't expect those anytime soon
7359s	uh but um yeah
7363s	they're they're in the works
7365s	in the works all right
7368s	um that's gonna do it for me today
7371s	thanks for coming out I had a ton of fun
7373s	I hope you did too if you asked a
7376s	question that I didn't answer or I
7377s	didn't answer the way you hoped I did uh
7379s	please feel free to head on over to our
7380s	Discord uh our forums uh Reddit uh other
7384s	places too uh there's people active all
7386s	over the place we've got great Community
7387s	that's answering questions all the times
7388s	as well
7390s	um
7391s	and yeah even just in-game chat
7395s	um I will be back same time same place
7397s	next week for stream
7399s	um
7403s	that's about it really
7412s	let's go let's go check out the podcast
7414s	that's starting here
7419s	do you want to play the pig runs a
7421s	podcast that starts directly after the
7423s	stream ends so check it out have a good
7425s	time be nice see you later have a good
7427s	day
7437s	all right

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