[2023] Suggestion: Skip Campaign

Originally posted by crashknight101

Is there plans on making idol slots easier to unlock ?

Originally posted by crashknight101

Just hard to know which side quest to do

Originally posted by LeMonarq

Unfortunately, you can't bend reality to suit your narrative. That's simply not how it works.

It's a clear majority, borderline unanimous, asking for idol slots to unlock on alts. Why are you hell bent on repeating the same dozen sidequests over and over? What enjoyment does that bring to the experience?

As far as D4, you're referring to the most miserable community on reddit that complains about everything. Even they widely regard campaign skip as a great feature. If you're so insistent on repeating content, nothing is stopping you from running the campaign again. Those who would rather skip it, can skip it.

Try brining a stronger argument to the table next time, if you're going to waste my time being a contrarian on such petty issues.

Originally posted by Datmisty

I find it very hard to believe that people enjoy redoing quests in order to unlock item slots. But I will say it's more reasonable of a task than PoE's necessary quests for reroll.

Originally posted by LeMonarq

What a weird hill to bleed out on.

I find it odd that you would be bothered by the idea of players having the option to skip sidequests they don't want to repeat for the 6th time.

I find it significantly more odd that you would pretend it's a data driven decision.

Originally posted by LeMonarq

Then let's see the data you collected. Hopefully you're able to back up the strongly worded statements you're throwing around.

Logically, it's pretty simple to determine the best way to handle this clash of opinions.

Scenario A: Sidequests are mandatory to unlock idol slots for all characters. Those who enjoy repeating the quests will approve, those who don't enjoy repeating the quests will disapprove.

Less than 100% of players get what they want from Scenario A

Scenario B: Idol slots are unlocked across all characters. Those who enjoy repeating the sidequests can still do so. Those who don't enjoy repeating the sidequests can skip them.

100% of players get what they want from Scenario B

Originally posted by LeMonarq

Apology accepted, but it seems you're focusing on semantics here to avoid the main topic.

I invite you to poke holes in the logic from my other comment. Perhaps there's something I'm overlooking that can justify the dev resistance to adding a frequently requested feature, which I've never seen anyone argue against in the comments. That's where the "borderline unanimous" comment came from. Full support and no resistance, from the community.

Scenario A: Sidequests are mandatory to unlock idol slots for all characters. Those who enjoy repeating the quests will approve, those who don't enjoy repeating the quests will disapprove.

Less than 100% of players get what they want from Scenario A

Scenario B: Idol slots are unlocked across all characters. Those who enjoy repeating the sidequests can still do so. Those who don't enjoy repeating the sidequests can skip them.

100% of players get what they want from Scenario B

Originally posted by Newphonespeedrunner

If skipping the idol quests are more effecient then I'll do that, it would negatively effect the game and I'd rather them make the campaign play better as I said.

Game feel is by and far the biggest complaint I've seen it just seems like campaign skippers are very loud probably feel bad with their 9 kids 3 wives 2 dogs and 3 wives boyfriends they feed

Originally posted by LeMonarq

Firstly, I'd like to commend your attention to detail, especially in pointing out 'residence' instead of 'resistance.' It's these little quirks that make our conversations delightfully engaging.

While I understand the sentiment of not wanting to remove activities from the game, the core issue here isn't about removing them entirely. The overwhelming request has been to provide the option to skip them on subsequent characters after completion once. It's about respecting player time and ensuring the gameplay remains enjoyable, rather than turning into a repetitive chore.

Your point about players desiring a variety of activities is well-taken. Yet, paradoxically, by not allowing the choice to skip sidequests, you're actually forcing a specific gameplay pattern onto them. A true variety comes from having choices – not just in the activities available, but in how one chooses to engage with them.

Furthermore, the assertion that players would enjoy leveling a new character less if given the option to skip sidequests is, with all due respect, speculative at best. It seems counter-intuitive to assume that players who have specifically requested an option to streamline their experience would somehow enjoy it less.

The dynamic nature of the sidequests is appreciated. But the liberty to choose different sidequests each playthrough is, in essence, already a choice. Why not extend that choice to skipping them entirely for those who've had their fill?

Your proposed alternative sounds intriguing, but it seems like a solution to a different problem. The primary feedback is about streamlining repeated playthroughs, not about adding another layer of decision-making.

I'm glad to hear the decision isn't set in stone. A responsive dev team is always a pleasure to engage with. Here's to hoping that the eventual decision factors in the heart of the community's feedback.

Originally posted by LeMonarq

Firstly, I'd like to commend your attention to detail, especially in pointing out 'residence' instead of 'resistance.' It's these little quirks that make our conversations delightfully engaging.

While I understand the sentiment of not wanting to remove activities from the game, the core issue here isn't about removing them entirely. The overwhelming request has been to provide the option to skip them on subsequent characters after completion once. It's about respecting player time and ensuring the gameplay remains enjoyable, rather than turning into a repetitive chore.

Your point about players desiring a variety of activities is well-taken. Yet, paradoxically, by not allowing the choice to skip sidequests, you're actually forcing a specific gameplay pattern onto them. A true variety comes from having choices – not just in the activities available, but in how one chooses to engage with them.

Furthermore, the assertion that players would enjoy leveling a new character less if given the option to skip sidequests is, with all due respect, speculative at best. It seems counter-intuitive to assume that players who have specifically requested an option to streamline their experience would somehow enjoy it less.

The dynamic nature of the sidequests is appreciated. But the liberty to choose different sidequests each playthrough is, in essence, already a choice. Why not extend that choice to skipping them entirely for those who've had their fill?

Your proposed alternative sounds intriguing, but it seems like a solution to a different problem. The primary feedback is about streamlining repeated playthroughs, not about adding another layer of decision-making.

I'm glad to hear the decision isn't set in stone. A responsive dev team is always a pleasure to engage with. Here's to hoping that the eventual decision factors in the heart of the community's feedback.

Originally posted by LeMonarq

While it's often tempting to put stock into all forms of feedback, it might be prudent to weigh the credibility of contributors, especially when their responses might be slightly less than articulate or perhaps fall victim to more than just unfortunate autocorrect mishaps ("alot"). I'll move on.

Reflecting on the unlocking of idol slots, although there are ample wow moments within the game, these particular unlocks might not carry the same palpable impact when unlocked individually. An alternative perspective - providing a notable power spike through instant access to all idol slots for new characters, still honors the player’s initial efforts and maintains the spirit of earning rewards.

The monolith compromise seems fair enough. Integrating idol slot unlocks with more enjoyable content solves the core issue. Although sidequests provide a novel experience initially, their allure can wane in repeated runs, where the enticing call of the endgame beckons louder.

Thank you for keeping the channels of communication open and valuing the array of perspectives from the community.

Originally posted by Acedin

Thanks for wrangling the screaming toddler in a calm and collected way. The way he behaves he didn't deserve it, you did put in the time anyway. Thank you.

Originally posted by Plebbit-User

Although I applaud you for sticking by your design, I come from another game that hid behind "data" and I always hated that because those were bad decisions and the consensus against them was enormous but we were always told "prove it".

As if the user is supposed to justify their positions as if they're a research firm. If you're gonna cite data, you should be transparent with it. Not particularly invested in the campaign skip though I would like for idol slots to be a one time thing for the sake of rushing campaign which is already an ordeal seasonally.

I would just hate for this lack of transparency to be used as a fallback position on a subject I care more about.