[2022] Azael thoughts on Preseason "added information"

Originally posted by Fleebledee

These jungle changes imply 2 big worries for jungle mains that I don't see addressed anywhere in the post.

1. Decreased Leash Length: How will this impact champs who clear multiple camps at once such as Fiddle, or anyone trying to do Gromp and Blue Buff at the same time? I'm all for trying to make jungle more accessible, but if these changes make it impossible to take multiple camps at once, then that means these changes would be actively removing skill from the jungle.

2. Recommended Jungle Pathing: How "in your face" will the recommended pathing be in-game? While yes, experienced junglers will know when to deviate from the recommended path, if the recommended path is super obnoxious then it will make jungle incredibly annoying to play for people who previously loved the role. This could easily be fixed by allowing people to turn off Recommended Pathing somewhere in the client.

Originally posted by RiotRayYonggi

Characters that double camp will be likely tuned around single camping. While I 100% agree that skill will be removed by double camping being removed/nerfed, this optimization was one of the "very difficult to learn, especially within the game" mechanics that we were opting to remove for simplicity. If we find that Fiddle, Lillia, etc are significantly nerfed by this adjustment, they will be adjusted. The issue just comes down to these micro optimizations that are practically unlearnable for anyone not watching youtube videos in their spare time.

I believe the recommended pathing will be toggle-able in the settings so that it's not obstructive to those that don't need it.

Originally posted by billzhx

Reducing jungle leashing range (admittedly an obscure mechanic) and thus the difference between a practiced and unpracticed clear does make the role less skillful though. There are plenty of time when even pros dont execute the jungle clear correctly and you feel the difference between good and bad clears. Taking that away is taking away a means for players to differentiate themselves.

Originally posted by bz6

But why add specific timers for wards? I believe that change can be discussed. Better team communication? Well we have a ping, we don't need to know exact ward timers. It'll just slow down the game too much..

Originally posted by nizzy2k11

In seasons 1-3 before anyone had the game optimized, jungle was more popular since the barrier to entry was lower.

how was this true? the list of champions who could even clear camps early was extremely limited whereas now its virtually every single champion on the roster. back then you needed to manage your spending around vision and your build, now you need to buy nothing but your build. and back then you needed to track timers without any in game tools whatsoever. but apparently more people played when the role was more difficult, and making it even easier now will make it better after 10 years of simplifying the role?

Originally posted by South_Bend13

Has the team considered removing the need for laners having to leash their junglers? Quite frankly having to leash vs someone that did not is very frustrating in specific matchups and having this removed would be a good change for the jungle and laners.

Originally posted by ErikThe

Maybe it’s being nit picky on a subject that’s much less broad than an entire role. But isn’t the entire point of playing Riven learning to cancel your animations to do crazy burst damage?

If I’m in lane against Riven I have no way of visually learning what they’re doing because the animations are literally being cancelled. All I see is that Riven moved around a whole bunch and did some haphazard swinging and now I’m dead.

If I’m Gnar all I see is the death recap saying I got hit by a bunch of things that I didn’t even see.

My main point is that sometimes optimizing a game means learning outside the game itself.