[2020] After 3 Weeks on PBE this is my feedback

This was a bug we've since fixed. Riven has like 15 stacks of sterak's here when it's meant to be capped at 5.

I'm... Not sure. I think we did it Thursday last week.

Appreciate the feedback here~ I can only speak directly for Lethality Assassins (as I work on that system), and we are planning iterations to address some of the damage creep for that class now that we've validated that all the items are effective and valuable. Looking to drop damage considerably between now and live launch, especially on the scaling side.

Apologies. I'm trolling. We've not fixed it yet.

Duskblade is interesting because it's the item that's power is most contingent on the Lethality system's overall strength. To clarify, the stealth is powerful, but is only on take-down, so if the overall damage of assassins is tuned properly, they should still have to work hard to get that first stealth reset, because if they don't get the kill then the stealth is actually a useless power-budget sink.

That said, on PBE assassins have been overtuned generally, so they are picking up their kills too reliably and therefore accessing the stealth more frequently than normal. I don't see a reason the stealth can't stay, but it is very reliant on us doing our due diligence on the rest of the system to ensure it's not too reliable.

The item patterns are functional, we just need to tune the numbers to get it closer to live power.

Balllllllls. Ty

To reiterate, KhaZix and other stealth champions stealth to create kills, Duskblade stealths once the kill is already secured. Very different levels of power.

Whatever, I'll be dancing in fountain. Open mid.

Yup

Not just like live, but similar so that there isn't an influx of new damage.

The point of the item rework isn't to change how much damage/tankiness there is, but rather give players new choices to make and new interesting item actives/passives to play with that enable healthier and/or more interesting play patterns

It's ok. I thought we fixed it last week but we didn't.

Not sure if we plan to follow up with some dev articles, but I know I'd be happy to write about some of the more interesting items if we do. In the case of the assassin mythics, the goal was to give them some items that aligned themselves strongly with an assassin's wants and the different sorts of games an assassin might find themselves in. Duskblade is meant a really good item in a game where there are several squishies, making the first kill of a fight much easier to get. Prowler's Claw is meant to be powerful if you estimate getting one incredibly strong burst is your best avenue to victory (for instance, if they have a single champion who is the lynchpin of their comp, and applying very heavy burst threat with greater target access allows you to kill them or pressure them out of fights). Eclipse is meant to offer an opt-out for when you evaluate early on that you win condition is to generally avoid teamfights and aim for the splitpush or take smaller skirmishes—this is why it's tailored to being slippery and winning longer fights.

It was also a goal that these effects would inform a champion's pattern but not define it. So, Prowler's gives you an extra spell that allows you to reach further (both in distance and burst thresholds), but you only get one and you have to make it count on the right target, and the damage amp still asks you to do most of the legwork with your own kit. Eclipse asks you to angle for shorter trades and disengage/re-engage patterns. Duskblade asks you to wait until the fight is in just the right spot for you to go in, nab the first kill, and really muck up the enemy's backline. Of course, items will still tend to bind somewhat to certain champions that they're just really good on as a default, but our aim is that the additional context added between the unique effects and the stat-lines will make it more frequently correct to pick a different item and reward flexible strategic play.

No problem! Eclipse was one of the final mythic items so it was coming in pretty hot with mechanical changes right before it hit PBE. The fact that it was in a heavily bugged state (that had variable output, at that—the bug meant that sometimes it did a lot more damage than it should and sometimes did much less) for a bit immediately after its last set of pre-PBE changes did not help power reads at all, either for us balancing it or for the player community trying to understand it. Like, one of the reasons it ended up that powerful is that this bug led us to believe, from playtests, that it was somehow weak despite its reasonable numbers on-paper, and so we buffed it pretty dramatically. I think it's much closer now, and we'll keep following up as necessary.

Possibly of note—Eclipse is meant to be an item that some fighters can buy. I see many players stating that it must be broken because e.g. Riven likes the item, but that's not a good litmus test because it's intended! Not to say it wasn't overpowered (it was, and could still be), but that wasn't an indicator.

We are addressing the concerns with mismatch between shreds and resists available in the overall system.