It seems that after this patch, it will take 882 hours to get a new hero for free。

I am not part of the team that builds the metagame systems of League anymore, but I just did some quick maths since this post alarmed me.

There are 4 champion capsules on the pass
There is 4750 BE on the pass excluding repeating rewards
(Both of these are frontloaded on the pass and thus require less engagement than cosmetics in general)

There are 6 passes per year

That is 24 champion capsules × year
That is 28,500 BE × year

Not including new player missions and rewards

It doesn't feel to me like someone who is new to the game is going to have trouble acquiring both a set of randomized champions OR champions they have a particular affinity for and want to acquire for free.

Would also state that the folks who worked on the pass content design are pretty thoughtful, and if we saw challenges with new player earn rates there would be an adjustment.

But super appreciate the concern I am seeing here for the new player experience! I also care really deeply about it.

Interested in how long you think it should take for a new player to earn champions. About how many games per champ do you expect?

Most champions are not 6300. Average BE cost of a champion is 3000, so this represents ~6 you get to choose (if you don't disenchant permanents) and 24 you do not, which is 30 per year.

I also think you should be able to purchase/acquire skins for champions you don't own (with some obvious warnings in place), but there are technical limitations on that atm. We chose to address other things instead.

Sad to hear you are less motivated than before. Hope we can change your mind this year.

As I said above, no longer part of the team that is running seasons or the around-game, but find them to be a pretty rad crew and have a lot of faith in what they're working on.

I don't think its reasonable personally to compare a MOBA to a hero shooter, given that they let you swap characters mid-match as a gameplay mechanic not to mention have a significantly smaller roster (37/42 respectively). Dota 2 is closest as another MOBA, with 124.

I've seen comparisons to the IP system. So some more maths: In 2014, a causal F2P player earned a champion about every 6 weeks based on the rate of IP earned and the average IP cost of champions. This nets out to ~9 per year. For Reference: There were ~120 champions in League at that time. I think this is much faster than that.

I do think our champion acquisition system could use some love, but not strictly on the basis of how fast players can get champs. I think it could be better at helping you identify champions you should love and get them into your hands faster than today.

Nope, I do not know anything about that. It doesn't _sound_ correct to me.

Appreciate you doing the math!

Some considerations: - many players do not play every day, which means that max values are different from median or average values - the expected value of FWOTD is less, since it required a win, so you generally need to halve it (if you mix in a guaranteed Co-Op win game you can multiply this vs the rate at which people play those versus standard matchmade), contrast this with the daily mission that only asks to play a game at all (you can get the expected value of that by looking at average BE value of a pass level and then multiplying it by 150/500 for the win bonus. If you rate a champ capsule as being worth 3000 BE, which is the average cost of a champion you get a pretty large number) — will do below - the first 50 levels still grant capsules iirc, so you need to add more of that into the calc

It’s lower max BE for a hyper engager but much more BE on average based on standard play patterns

BE Capsule avg value = 3000 x 4 = 12000 BE on pass = 4750 Levels per pass = 50 Average BE per pass level = 12000 + 4750 / 50 = 335 First game bonus = 150 BXP Level cost = 500 BXP First win BE value = (150/500) * 335 = 100.5

When we do our math, we generally fit to play patterns as well as the maximum/minimum/median.

Downsides of current approach: - less drip (can imagine that incremental progress is value) - lower max possible for highest engagers

Upsides of approach: - higher median/average yield for players - lower engagement costs than previous system - stronger centralization of rewards (sans early summoner levels) - you don’t choose between BE and other rewards, you get both

As I said above, not on the team, but if new players don’t get enough BE I expect the pass values would change.

None of this requires a purchase of any kind

Agreed, that's a miscalculation. We're actually increasing pass BE values.

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