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almost 4 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Andrewni13

Irelia's solo q winrate is like 47% so almost any champ will have a positive win rate against her. The real stats come from the gold dif and XP dif @15 (from last patch because u.gg stats are messed up rn)

But there's a sentence literally in the screenshot that says "Wins 0.59% more often than expected [based on win rates]."

To be clear, this is not "X champion wins lane." It's "X champion wins game." Kennen wins games more often against Irelia than he does against other 47% winrate champions. (This scales. He's slightly good against Irelia overall according to that sentence).

almost 4 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Andrewni13

Funny thing is, if you switch the champions it also says that Irelia "wins against Kennen 1.23% more often than expected". Also as others have said, I think it comes down to Irelia scaling off a lot and being less useful than Kennen in teamfights. Irelia has to land multi man ultis and play around CC to get multiple Qs off, while Kennen can flash ERW for multi man stun.

Yeah I kinda expected there'd be shenanigans with how it's measured. Not surprised it shows both champions "win."

Point still stands that a lane counter is not necessarily a game counter. If Kennen is able to withstand split push in the late game while still being a better teamfighter, then you have these situations where players go, "WTF I countered him!" and still lose.

Regardless, the overall ability to win the game is pretty equal across both champions. If you throw out solo queue overall winrate as meaningless, you're still left with the comparative-winrate not moving much either direction, leading me to still stand by the point that Irelia doesn't gain much traction against Kennen as a counter-pick.