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Yuumi’s mastery curve is more in line with champions like Akali and Qiyana, who continue to see win rate growth well beyond the first ~20 games, than it is to champions like Neeko and Mordekaiser.

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All of this combines to make Yuumi a difficult champion to master, albeit in ways that look different from the rest of the champion roster. (You might compare this to someone like Singed, whose proxy playstyle is totally different from any other champion and takes ~100 games to master.)

Riot is saying Yuumi has a very steep mastery curve just like known difficult champions to pilot like Akali and Qiyana.

They conclude she is a difficult champion to master (for similar reasons as Singed - they are unique).


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We think Yuumi has a valuable place in the game to onboard your new friends and help them learn spell usage & nuances of positioning.


At the same time, they now say Yuumi fills a valuable niche for new players learning the game.

...but hasn't Riot also said that Yuumi is hard to learn because she's so unique and that succeeding with her requires special knowledge and skills that are exclusive to Yuumi.

Overall, I think these statements are pretty damn problematic in terms of logic.

It should go without saying that a good champion for new players would be an easy to learn champion where you can focus on learning fundamentals of the game instead of specific champion skills.

When Yuumi is so unique and has such a steep mastery curve, it indicates to me that it will be harder to focus on the game as a whole because you are tied up learning Yuumi's intricacies. Just like if you were playing Singed (or even Akali/Qiyana). Wouldn't someone like Garen be way more valuable for new players to learn the game?

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over 1 year ago - /u/TheTruexy - Direct link

So a lot of things here to dig into when we just quote 2 lines.

I agree it's a bit counterintuitive, but I still believe the 2 statements are true. HOWEVER, there's a lot of nuance which I agree isn't what players are looking for. We're not trying "well technically...." players.

  1. The first statement was a long time ago. Since then, we do see that the winrate growth of Yuumi is the same as other complex champions. But that doesn't mean that skill depth is displayed well to players in a clear way. Yuumi requires a pattern that's different than most other champions, but most players don't associate playing vs/with her as a high skill experience. That's a problem in itself.
  2. Yuumi is a great champion to learn the game with. This one's trickier, since Yuumi is such a different experience than other champions like Garen/Sona. The core benefit Yuumi has is that she has a low barrier to entry AND promotes an experience with your friend. Most people get into League via their friends, and having a champion that can give you some amount of success together is huge. We've all had that new friend go 0-10 top lane, and they barely get to experience any success in league and then they quit.

So yah, I agree it's an incredibly tough topic. But just because Garen/Annie/Sona exist, doesn't mean we can't support more champs like them.