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After a few days of watching the new meta play out, the devs just acknowledged all the player feedback and rolled out a bunch of nerfs, addressing all the cards the subreddit has complained about for the past few weeks. This is an unconditionally good thing, and is positive news out of nowhere. People were already doomsaying, saying "they didn't listen" and expecting nothing for the next two months, but they have proven today that is not the case. All those complaint posts have been proven incorrect.

But why do I see just as many complaints as before? In the comments, people are complaining "why wasn't X card buffed, the nerfs don't do enough, why wasn't Sivir/darkness/aggro/other nerfed, this ruins the tournament etc." The new posts are no better, but I'd rather not call out any posts.

This wasn't the state of this sub just a few months ago. Usually, after every balance patch announcement, especially unexpected ones, this sub goes crazy with thanking the devs. What happened in the past few weeks? Is this sub really going to fall into the trap of almost every other gaming sub, where every other post is a negative meme post?

We don't deserve these nerfs so soon. They could very well have waited another 2 weeks for the tournament to finish before even acknowledging something needs to be addressed, with the excuse of "not wanting to hurt the tournament." But they didn't.

Thank you to the devs, for listening to player feedback and giving us this hotfix. No one expected it, no one needed it, but it does makes the playerbase happier. PR is a hard job, and we are certainly not making it easier.

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over 2 years ago - /u/Dovagedys - Direct link

Originally posted by Zekkarei

All those complaint posts have been proven incorrect.

Pretty sure the complaints were the reason why we even got this hotfix

That's not how it works at all.

over 2 years ago - /u/Dovagedys - Direct link

Originally posted by CaptSarah

Essentially, as someone who knows that Riot does take and read feedback, it comes down to how it's presented. Something we've stated many times before, which is why we tend to bring up mega-threads for things the community is exceptionally passionate about.

The massive amount of complaint threads don't really pressure Riot at all, it just causes more tension between the player base and the devs, which is not healthy at all for keeping devs around on the platform.

It's mainly the difference between those of us who calmly explain our problems with the game, and those who take it too far and turn to insults and harassment.

That is basically how I interpret it anyway.

Excellent way to think about it.

The idea of complaining loudly or dramatically or repeatedly will lead to change is not true.

There are many factors that lead to change in the game and player feedback plays a critical role in our decision making.

It's important to note, this subreddit is not the entire community and frequently there are takes, posts, comments, etc on this subreddit that do not represent the whole community or directly contradict other data we have.

We do our best to listen and read all of the feedback we can, but if anyone has the idea that "seeing something on reddit guarantees change in the game" or any thought close to that, then those people are setting themselves up for disappointment.

In general, a good framework I think is helpful is that community feedback (on reddit or anywhere) is a good way to start a discussion that can lead to change, but it is not a good way to make a final decision.