over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Welcome Crusaders!

Before we begin: I hope you're all staying safe and being kind.

 

For those of you who are joining us for the first time, I'm Erika, the Live Services Manager for Crusaders of the Lost Idols, and I will do my best to answer your Crusaders questions. This Q&A is so you know where to find one of the team to chat Crusaders weekly.

I will be answering questions live for the first hour and then checking back throughout the week.

 

The previous Q&A: Number 248!

Community Activity!

This week we've got colouring sheets featuring Zuczek Thank you for the submissions so far!

Updates:

  • We're working on some anniversary tech this week as well as addressing Zuczek.

  • The Tier 6 version of A Song of Thrones is currently running and ends next Tuesday, July 27th, at Noon Pacific Time (UTC-7.)

  • The recipes for the Alien Invasion Day Crusaders will be available after Noon Pacific Time (UTC-7) today, Tuesday, July 20th, 2021.

  • The 6th anniversary celebrations will start around Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 and the update will include some QoL features.

  • The Tier 6 version of Littlefoot's Big Adventure will launch around Thursday, August 5th, 2021.

  • The Tier 6 version of Dr. Evil's Summer Sabotage will launch around Thursday, August 26th, 2021.

  • In case you missed it, we're doing Q&A streams for Crusaders on the CNE Games twitch channel now! The streams are at Thursdays at 10AM Pacific Time (UTC-7.) VODs are available on Twitch and we also post the stream to our Codename youtube playlist.

  • Thursday's stream (July 22nd) is cancelled due to the Idle Champions Days of Streaming celebration, but we'll be back on July 29th with bonus guest developer Wilson!

Rebalance of Zuczek

Justin has pointed out that Zuczek, having an uncapped, multiplicatively-stacking ability isn't good for the health of the game. To that end, we'll be adding a cap to the number of stacks Zuczek can have, and tweaking the values of the higher level rune. Those changes will come out in the next few days.

End of Life in Flash in Browsers

Crusaders is available to play through the version on Steam, and through a downloadable launcher on our Codename Games website.

Note: The launcher will work with Wine to run the .exe on Linux. Otherwise, you can try using the Steam version.

 

Please put in a support ticket if you've found a bug with the game. You can submit a ticket using the "Contact Support" button from the Guidebook/Support menu in the game. You do need to have cookies enabled.

 

Have a treat! BENT-COCO-PEEK-TRYE awards 1 Runic chest. Expires Tuesday, July 27th, 2021 at 9:59 AM Pacific Time (UTC-7.)

 

Next Q&A: The next Crusaders Q&A will be on Tuesday, July 27th, 2021 at 10 AM Pacific Time (UTC-7), featuring a raffle where 25 lucky commenters will get a Golden Epic of their choice!

 

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over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Welcome Crusaders!

Before we begin: I hope you're all staying safe and being kind.

 

For those of you who are joining us for the first time, I'm Erika, the Live Services Manager for Crusaders of the Lost Idols, and I will do my best to answer your Crusaders questions. This Q&A is so you know where to find one of the team to chat Crusaders weekly.

I will be answering questions live for the first hour and then checking back throughout the week.

 

The previous Q&A: Number 248!

Community Activity!

This week we've got colouring sheets featuring Zuczek Thank you for the submissions so far!

Updates:

  • We're working on some anniversary tech this week as well as addressing Zuczek.

  • The Tier 6 version of A Song of Thrones is currently running and ends next Tuesday, July 27th, at Noon Pacific Time (UTC-7.)

  • The recipes for the Alien Invasion Day Crusaders will be available after Noon Pacific Time (UTC-7) today, Tuesday, July 20th, 2021.

  • The 6th anniversary celebrations will start around Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 and the update will include some QoL features.

  • The Tier 6 version of Littlefoot's Big Adventure will launch around Thursday, August 5th, 2021.

  • The Tier 6 version of Dr. Evil's Summer Sabotage will launch around Thursday, August 26th, 2021.

  • In case you missed it, we're doing Q&A streams for Crusaders on the CNE Games twitch channel now! The streams are at Thursdays at 10AM Pacific Time (UTC-7.) VODs are available on Twitch and we also post the stream to our Codename youtube playlist.

  • Thursday's stream (July 22nd) is cancelled due to the Idle Champions Days of Streaming celebration, but we'll be back on July 29th with bonus guest developer Wilson!

Rebalance of Zuczek

Justin has pointed out that Zuczek, having an uncapped, multiplicatively-stacking ability isn't good for the health of the game. To that end, we'll be adding a cap to the number of stacks Zuczek can have, and tweaking the values of the higher level rune. Those changes will come out in the next few days.

End of Life in Flash in Browsers

Crusaders is available to play through the version on Steam, and through a downloadable launcher on our Codename Games website.

Note: The launcher will work with Wine to run the .exe on Linux. Otherwise, you can try using the Steam version.

 

Please put in a support ticket if you've found a bug with the game. You can submit a ticket using the "Contact Support" button from the Guidebook/Support menu in the game. You do need to have cookies enabled.

 

Have a treat! BENT-COCO-PEEK-TRYE awards 1 Runic chest. Expires Tuesday, July 27th, 2021 at 9:59 AM Pacific Time (UTC-7.)

 

Next Q&A: The next Crusaders Q&A will be on Tuesday, July 27th, 2021 at 10 AM Pacific Time (UTC-7), featuring a raffle where 25 lucky commenters will get a Golden Epic of their choice!

 

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over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by bridbirdbird

Instead of capping the stacks you could change what zuccerbergs 5th rune does

I feel like capping the stacks of a permanently lasting ability removes the fun of the ability in the first place

Even with changing what the rune does, without a cap, the ability still breaks the game as all the power then comes from one Crusader.

As the screenshot you shared indicated, players are willing to put in the time for getting the stacks, so Zuczek would be the meta.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by xyzzex

do you regret adding some sader to game like bruno, marzimallow, roborabbit, propagators?

also do you still stand behind those words that runes aren't needed for dps?

Those Crusaders have added interesting elements to the game, so I wouldn't say we regret adding them.

Technically, you don't need the runes as you could get power from various other sources to complete everything in the game still. The runes just help you complete things quicker if you're having trouble getting the idols or crafting materials.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Bungobunce

Will you be refunding the 42.5k Deloreans I spent?

Depending on where we settle on the cap, we'll be doing something to compensate players for changing Zuczek.

We probably wouldn't refund all the warps spent, as players do use those to get event chests for gearing Crusaders in a normal event.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Glorium

so, ppl already burned 40k + delorians. whats the plan there , again?

Depending on where we settle on the cap, we'll be doing something to compensate players for changing Zuczek.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Bluestblood5

Thanks for the code! Will there be any new ways to obtain runic chests available in the future?

You're welcome for the code.

We don't currently have any plans for more ways to get Runic chests aside from the 10 weekly and the dungeon seasons, but we'll see what happens.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by JuJuBee2006

I love these Q&A sessions, & thanks for the code.

I am concerned that within a week of releasing a new crusader, the team is looking to rebalance her... it seems to me that one of the biggest part of Zuczek's identity is her infinite potential using a moderately slow stacking method. She has been one of the first crusaders in quite some time that I have been excited about, and I am concerned that she will be rebalanced to the point of uselessness. This pattern of releasing crusaders to immediately make changes is worrying.

Switching topics slightly: what was the inspiration for Zuczek's design? When I first saw her she struck me as being very demon like.

You're welcome for the code.

For a slow stacking method players already do have quite a few stacks, plus as mentioned, an infinite multiplicatively stacking ability makes Zuczek the Crusader to have. Justin's concern was more for the e4000 and higher DPS coming from just one Crusader instead of needing the formation to provide the support.

Since I had the ability to use Firestorm spec'ed out, Kat took the fire inspiration and the kikimore inspiration and ran with it.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by bridbirdbird

It takes years to pile up so many warps, what other form of compensation are you thinking of thats gonna match that?

Like I said, it depends on where we settle the cap.

If there are players over that cap that did spend warps, then they would get some warps back.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Vitalii-Aliluiev

Hi Erika,

Most players already have many years of experience with COtlI and almost forgot how it was at the beginning. Sometimes I wish to remember that and check how it was, but I don't want to create a new account for that.

So, I have an idea for the new challenge. Call it like "Nostalgy" or "Back to Future Past". Only 20 first crusaders will be available during the challenge. Also, idols, talents and artifacts should have no effects. Trinkets and buffs may be ok.

In that case, new and old players will have almost the same experience. Maybe we should have that challenge like something rare and start it once a year after the anniversary

Regards,

Vitalii

Hi Vitalii,

That would be an interesting thing to try out, but it would probably have to have a special reward for the attempt.

We do have the Nostalgia Trip objective on Idols Through Time, though that does still allow for using Idols since it goes so deep and requires the boost from the Idols and Talents to complete.

The objective I Like Potatoes, with having the talents disabled which means the crusaders are back to a 5,000 level cap, was getting close to the limits of what players could achieve with the Tier 5 version, though with runes there might be a little more wiggle room for continuing to increase the Tiers of that objective for a couple more tiers.

We'll keep the idea in mind though.

Cheers!

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Impressive_Newt9990

Hello Erika,

Only question this week is if we can potentially have one more rune solvent mission or somehow have a way to get more of them. I have more geodes than I need same goes for catalysts but I'm completely out of rune solvents. It's the one thing in the game I feel like is slightly too limited given how we need to use a few every time the meta changes.

Hi Impressive_Newt9990,

Rune solvents are definitely a weird one. Some players are using them all, some players are building a stash.

I can look at adding some more solvents to the season rewards for season 5, and then I'll add your vote to the request on our suggestion list to consider as well.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Not_Pro

I'm not surprised about Zuczek nerfs, although I was wondering if it could be done in a more elegant fashion, something akin to the Twins' Power of Two - using Firestorm grants a stack to the ability, and every power of two/three (since Zuczek is about threes)/ten (crabs have ten legs) grants a multiplicative buff of some kind, making initial levels easy to reach but making the insane amounts of DPS harder to reach.

That aside, where does the team intend to put the upper limit on the number of stacks at?

That's an interesting idea for a future Crusader power. We'll keep it in mind.

The cap we settled on was 40,000 stacks.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by DoctorNovakaine

Thanks for the chest code.

Just going to say don't be TOO aggressive when nerfing Zuczek. Let them still be powerful, just more reasonably so.

Doing some math: a stack cap of 30000 and a rune that increases 15% linearly per level would have, at rune level 15 and max stacks, a DPS boost of approximately e1212. This would be quite strong, but wouldn't overshadow current powerful crusaders or synergies - the sort of thing you'd want if you were looking to make a crusader than was powerful but not broken. They would be good, a desirable crusader to use, but wouldn't recentralize the entire game around them. (However, you might want to keep them out of 11th objectives.)

EDITED TO ADD: Just want to make clear, though, that I like the multi-stacking in principle. And I'd like to see more of that. It's just that the numbers need to be attended to. I proposed an idea for a multi-stack ability based on using buffs a while back, but the base there was .1%. That base with a half-million stack cap would be around e217, which would allow for decent freedom to build and buff with a primary legendary effect or 5th rune without being overpowering (probably not both though). I wouldn't recommend those parameters with Zuc because Fire Storm is way too slow to approach half a million stacks in any viable time frame, but it would work great with buffs, which are in fairly ample supply in general. But yeah, I like the idea, just think it's a numbers game.

You're welcome for the chest code.

I think Zuczek should be a less game-breaking Crusader with the changes we've made to her, though she does still have some oomph.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Marena84

Can I just carefully ask that we keep the salt to a minimum?

I get that a nerf sucks, but Erika and the rest of the team are some of the most involved devs of any game I know. I think we should consider all the hard work they put into this (free to play) game, continuously keeping it interesting and entertaining and keeping in very close contact with the player-base.

Thank you Erika, and the other folks at CNE <3

You're quite welcome. <3

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Croq360

Regarding Zuczek, I hope that any adjustment to her doesn't nerf her to oblivion. I think there's a happy medium that could be reached where she's not game breaking, but still provides a significant DPS buff, something that gets her a place in the meta.

Hopefully indeed. We'll see now that she's been changed.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by owpp

why not just change the multiplicative stacking for a additive stacking? like Qadir's Packed Curio Cabinets?

Additive has been the preferred way to do permanent stacks. I wanted a multiplicative one to be a bit more fun.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by algie666

thanks for all the hard work guys ;}

and thanks to the players for there comments its great to read them :]

You're welcome. I'll pass it along to the team as well. :)

And I will second the thanks to the community for coming out to our Q&As. :D

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by zenflip

As long as Zucs cap is set at something reasonable like 50k, I have no problem with this. I would like a refund of my geode though.

The compensation included an Arcane Geode and Rune Solvent if players owned Zuczek. Thank you for calling it out. :)

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by zodiPhd

Perhaps it's time to release the game out of Beta, then have a true Beta version where a cross-section of players can test new crusaders, abilities, formations, etc, BEFORE they're released. Then you will catch bugs or perceived game-breaking situations before the live version players see it; preventing a lot of disappointment from the players and developer regrets/needs for apologies, etc.

Other games that are released, yet still evolving, use a Beta version with volunteer players to work out unforeseen bugs / issues before the live version gets the new material implemented. Why not COTLI?

It's just the Steam launcher that has the Beta warning still. Apparently the CNE version got built without the Beta warning.

It is still a live service game, which does mean numbers will still change as we continue to update it.

I'll bring it up with the team if it's worth considering volunteer testers.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by bippyarg

I suppose Zuc changes were inevitable. Hopefully you have a (mathematically defined) plan to refund delorians to folks who burned them, perhaps for nothing depending on if you nerf Zuc out of the meta.

 

I'll just take the opportunity to plug the community discord to the devs, where the Zuc scaling was discussed in depth for at least a week before release, might be worth taking a quick look there, you could head off quite a few math issues with Crusader design, lots of folks like to analyze the effect of new crusader abilities. Though scaling issues with this one was pretty obvious given it has a permanently stackable multiplicative buff. It would be a very small time investment, but you could gain huge insight into your crusader designs.

Players over the new stacks cap will receive some deloreans for potential time warps spent on building up their stacks.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by ChakatFirepaw

A couple shower thoughts on the Zuczek change:

Perhaps try a lower order curve, it's easier to keep quadratic growth in check. It also wouldn't be that hard to explain in the tooltip: "This ability applies its buff twice."

Another idea would be to take a page from Black Viper: The permanent part of the ability is linear, but it also has a strong exponential buff based on firestorms used in that run.

Those are some good ideas to keep in mind for future crusaders, thank you for sharing. :)

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by whywouldichooseaname

why do all of zuczek's legendary effects have linear growth when the effects aren't even good?

The slot 1 was linear, as Laugh in the Face of Fire was infinitely stacking. I suppose we could look at potentially revising it now.

They're mostly in line with the boosts that other legendary items give though.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by Witty_Newspaper_9693

Have an ideal, u dont need cap that stack. Just make it become diminishing return.

If it was additive, we'd leave it uncapped, but it is multiplicative.

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by ubi_contributor

Hello Erika, a QOL feature I would wish to see, (perhaps already mentioned?) that is, currently at area wipe everything goes dark. I feel it is disenchanting the game experience further as time goes on. may you implement dark or grey on the swipe but only for formation/monsters, and not the bench or skills?(keeping the core visible)

Hi ubi_contributor,

We do need the screen to change the art, but I'll add your vote to the item on our suggestion list to keep the bench visible during transitions.

Cheers!

over 3 years ago - /u/CNE_Erika - Direct link

Originally posted by iggir

Hey Erika and team, 9,352 hours into the game and still loving it (Steam). Wondering if there's a chance you can add remembering the UI scaling option as a QoL improvement.

Hi iggir,

That's awesome!

We've tried having the game remember your scaling choice, but that just prevents the game from loading for a large number of players.

We haven't had the time yet to look into other solutions but I'll note your request.

Cheers!






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