Originally posted by LizardOfOz_

It's unclear from the changelog [and the bugtracker] if the issue of the server being able to tamper player messages and force the client to sign a message (MC-253888) was actually fixed proper, or if this UX/UI change is considered a "fix", and a message still can be tampered if the player doesn't notice.

If the UX/UI changes is the fix, then it's a terrible idea - people do not and will not pay attention to this type of stuff. Even if you do, there's only so much time until you lower your guard down and open yourself for a grief.

People will send messages unchecked, and if there's no core fix to the underlying issue, then this system will make clients accountable for something they did not type.

While I can't say for certain which way it is, the past experience of Mojang trying to fix security issues, namely related to Chat Reporting, doesn't leave much room for trust. I hope Mojang are now treating fundamental security problems with respect and thought such problems require. But again, the trust has been lost.

Originally posted by EarlyReflex

That FAQ does answer some stuff, and that in itself is perfectly fine. But overall it doesn't do much more than answering yes to "is this black or white?".

There were good times a while ago where the devs and even higher ups would hop on to discuss issues with us. Have they become too important?

P.S. Thank you for participating in the discussion.

Originally posted by EarlyReflex

Man, I sympathize with you having suffered what you suffered. I find it disgusting.

Oh we're still here, we're still reading... but this isn't an environment conductive to discussion, more a "the beatings will continue until morale improves" situation.

Yeah you may be right on this. But also, Mojang has to admit and acknowledge that they've lied to us and that we're angry about it. Please, own that. We do love you, but lies are lies, and they hurt when they come from someone or something you love. I think we're owed some apologies from Mojang for mishandling the whole thing. I do understand the reluctance, though. It's scary.

I guess what I mean to say is the scale of the situation means there isn't an opportunity for individual developers to participate in the way we like to

I understand that. But you did come out and talk. That's already a sign of good faith. And I thank you for it.

Originally posted by Klausar

I've had to actively stop myself from posting comments on nice posts in this subreddit lately because I know the answer will be "but chat reports!" regardless of what the post was originally about

People do that because Mojang ignores the fact that noone wants this feature. There is no statement from Mojang about why you care so much about the chat reporting when the game was fine without it for 13 years and the half-assed FAQ that's ignoring the main critique doesn't do it. Saying "we have a team of trained moderators" completely misses the point.

And to make it even worse you try to actively prevent people from using mods to disable the feature by adding indicators and making the mod less attractive.

Originally posted by Dwel111

that's great that you feel that way, but just to be clear, there's only so much outrage because of 2 main things:

It's being forced on everyone, there is no way to opt-out of it besides modding it out (which while an option for us players, is not a valid reason to not include it in the base game)

The mere existence of this is a direct lie based on what we were told when we had the forced migrations a while ago.

And to a lesser extent, the complete unwillingness to talk about it. "but my downvotes to oblivion". Well, that's great, I'm glad people making you lose Reddit points is enough of a reason to not talk about it. Plenty of server owners have come in here with genuine, well-thought-out questions/complaints and are just comepletely ignored.

Originally posted by Dwel111

See this is kinda what I was getting at. Y'all ignore the hard-hitting complaints like the blatant lie we were told a bit ago and the inability to opt-out of it and instead latch on to the easy to reply stuff like me talking about downvotes.

Originally posted by taa-001

Do you ever think of WHY your being downvoted so much? Maybe if you just listen to the community and remove the chat reporting system, instead of complaining about how no one is nice to you on reddit anymore, this wouldn't be happening.

Originally posted by Magiwarriorx

I understand. I'm sorry.

Honest question for you: if that is not "within the sphere of influence of any single developer you interact with here", what's the point of asking for community feedback on the feature?

Originally posted by pokepeople01

Let me say that I appreciate that you're here responding at all. It's refreshing, after the wall of silence it feels like we've been receiving after the last few prereleases.

One thing I think may help point community in the direction of meaningful discussion is to hear your personal opinion, given your rather informed perspective as Technical Lead on Java Edition, on whether or not you think that there is any appreciable chance the player chat reporting system may be removed or significantly modified based on the current community feedback prior to the full release of 1.19.1.

In my opinion, as one of those members of the community who has been vehemently against this system, a solid "Yes, I personally think it may appreciably change"/"No, I don't personally think it will appreciably change"/"I don't currently know one way or the other"/"I don't feel I can legally give a straightforward answer to this question" could go a ways towards defusing the current community backlash.

Originally posted by JavaElemental

While that is what I already expected to be the case, it is still disappointing to have confirmation that this feature is effectively non-negotiable.

If answering wouldn't be too troublesome, how likely would you say that these changes will be backported to previous versions, or previous versions made unavailable? Before I would have thought it unthinkable for such to happen, but I am not so sure anymore, and if either of those happened it would be catastrophic to the modding community which being a part of has been the main way I've interacted with minecraft for almost a decade now.

Originally posted by Drayko_Sanbar

Thank you for dialoguing with the community at all - I myself am not particularly pleased with the state of these changes, but I'm doing my best to understand the position that individual developers are in and communicate my feelings respectfully.

I've read all of Mojang's official posts on the subject and have been seeking to understand the reality of the changes and not just the outraged consensus around them, but one thing that has not, as far as I can tell, been communicated is why, after over a decade of servers operating relatively independently, service-wide bans are something Mojang feels are necessary now. Is that something you feel you can speak to as an individual developer (recognizing that you don't want to over-represent)? I really would love to understand the motivation and timing behind these changes, as I feel that has not been expressed to the community with any level of detail (beyond a broad category of "safety" - which is legitimate in theory but I would also like to know if Mojang sees the Minecraft community as having been unsafe and if there are inciting elements in recent history), and I feel that such an understanding could really help community morale.

TL;DR Do you feel that you could elaborate a bit on why Mojang feels this is a necessary course of action at this point in Minecraft history?

Originally posted by Aosana

Yeah, it's because Microsoft is forcing your hands and you're getting paid too much to admit it.