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| 0s | uh last time we did this episode when we |
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| 2s | were looking at that data ahead of time |
| 3s | stuff was looking pretty decent yes we |
| 5s | had shipped the expansion um as I |
| 7s | mentioned by the time this episode aired |
| 9s | players were not feeling so good uh we |
| 11s | had gone from a faucet economy down to a |
| 13s | sink |
| 15s | [Applause] |
| 18s | economy hello and welcome to forged in |
| 21s | interum the show where we talk All |
| 23s | Things New World my name is Patrick and |
| 25s | today I'm joined by Joel and Tony and |
| 27s | we're here to do our quarterly economy |
| 29s | Deep dive uh we did a quick highle look |
| 32s | at the economy about 3 months ago where |
| 34s | we told you how we uh gauge the economy |
| 36s | how we look at your sentiment and data |
| 38s | to make sure it's in a healthy spot a |
| 40s | lot has happened since then we'll dive |
| 41s | into that shortly uh before we dive into |
| 44s | that though Joel can you go ahead and |
| 45s | give the audience a refresher on what we |
| 47s | look forward when we're looking at |
| 48s | economic health sure uh not going to go |
| 50s | into crazy deep but ultimately we're |
| 52s | looking at player sentiment we're |
| 53s | looking at I personally browse a lot of |
| 55s | Reddit I'm looking at the Discord that |
| 57s | we have um I'm looking for in-game |
| 59s | feedback um player sentiment is a huge |
| 62s | portion of this uh we also have a lot of |
| 64s | data which Tony and I are going to look |
| 65s | at uh today uh we have some charts to |
| 68s | bring which will be fun today um but |
| 69s | ultimately we're looking at the faucets |
| 71s | and syns of items we're looking at a |
| 73s | jinny index to see the economic health |
| 75s | for player wealth disparity um and we |
| 78s | have some other dashboards that are |
| 79s | really cool thanks to our analytics team |
| 81s | um to really help support making sure |
| 83s | that we're making the right choices |
| 84s | based on the data in game yeah so a lot |
| 88s | of vectors to consider there MH last |
| 90s | time we did this episode when we were |
| 92s | looking at that data ahead of time stuff |
| 93s | was looking pretty decent yes we had |
| 95s | shipped the expansion um as I mentioned |
| 98s | by the time this episode aired players |
| 100s | were not feeling so good uh we had gone |
| 102s | from a faucet economy down to a sync |
| 104s | economy uh Tony you want to talk about a |
| 105s | little bit what happened there and kind |
| 107s | of why that video might have seemed a |
| 108s | little out of whack with player |
| 109s | expectations yeah absolutely so so what |
| 111s | we're going to do is we're going to |
| 112s | throw on screen uh a few charts and so |
| 114s | the the first one we're going to take a |
| 116s | look at is how the economy was looking |
| 118s | at from uh at the time that we had aired |
| 121s | uh this is right after the expansion |
| 123s | launched uh the the green bars if you |
| 126s | will that is when the uh econom is in a |
| 130s | um a faucet economy meaning there's more |
| 132s | money coming in than there is going out |
| 133s | and then you can see the red there at |
| 135s | the very tail end that's a sink economy |
| 136s | that means when players are spending |
| 137s | more money as a whole than than what |
| 139s | they're earning the big green bar is the |
| 141s | spike that we got of income from umbrell |
| 144s | Salvage actually and so that's when |
| 146s | everybody was salvaging all their |
| 147s | umbrell and so that was expected and |
| 149s | then even above that you kind of see the |
| 151s | income coming in from Quest and from |
| 152s | Salvage again from umbrell and then on |
| 154s | the bottom the lines that are trailing |
| 156s | are Trade Post fees and the faction shop |
| 159s | faction shop ultimately is what turned |
| 161s | our economy from from faucet into sync |
| 164s | and so when we recorded this we saw a |
| 166s | huge spike in in umbrell uh and Salvage |
| 169s | and income and Quest and everything |
| 171s | which was looking really good and then |
| 172s | you can see that it kind of Tails out |
| 174s | and it's it's quite balanced it's just a |
| 175s | little bit of a faucet economy and then |
| 178s | it turns into a little bit of a SN |
| 179s | economy and that's just a few days in |
| 181s | when we aired the last episode and so |
| 183s | when you asked us what do you guys think |
| 185s | and we're like that went really well |
| 186s | everything seems awesome this is what we |
| 188s | were looking at now if we take a look at |
| 191s | the next chart this is going to be how |
| 193s | the economy looked when the episode |
| 195s | aired and so this is why I think we got |
| 197s | to the whole you know what are you guys |
| 199s | talking about the economy's not in a |
| 200s | good spot things are really rough right |
| 202s | now money is super tight well in the you |
| 204s | know week and a half or two weeks |
| 206s | between recording and airing everything |
| 208s | flipped now you can see in the top half |
| 210s | of this chart again the main thing is |
| 212s | the faction shop and the faction shop |
| 214s | was putting in a ton of work which |
| 217s | honestly was by Design we wanted to |
| 219s | create uh some options for players to |
| 221s | get really good gear and have control |
| 223s | over crafting and do that through the |
| 226s | faction shop as a way for us to get some |
| 228s | money out of the economy now we got a |
| 231s | lot of feedback on that we got a lot of |
| 232s | feedback that players felt like they |
| 234s | were too strapped they couldn't afford |
| 235s | to craft uh it wasn't an overall good |
| 238s | experience they felt too throttled with |
| 239s | the daily cool downs and so we made some |
| 241s | changes and so if we scroll or I'm |
| 244s | scrolling but if we take a look at the |
| 245s | third |
| 246s | chart this is going to be since the last |
| 249s | episode aired after we made some changes |
| 252s | and where we are now and so you can see |
| 254s | that we've gone from a heavy foset |
| 256s | economy or sink economy which is going |
| 258s | to be the red to a heavy uh faucet |
| 261s | economy which is going to be the green |
| 263s | this is from a few different changes uh |
| 265s | one we added the golden matter cache |
| 267s | which is the weekly cache that you can |
| 269s | craft with 20 uh gypsum orbs uh it gives |
| 272s | you, 1500 gold and 250 Dark Matter uh |
| 275s | that helped as a weekly Ubi or Universal |
| 278s | basic income that a lot of people can |
| 280s | craft uh the other side of it was the |
| 281s | winter event went off and people were |
| 283s | getting money from the winter event |
| 284s | that's kind of where you see that huge |
| 285s | bump of green uh on the right side of |
| 288s | this chart um and then last but not |
| 290s | least was the change to Golden Scarab |
| 292s | crafts so you needed the chromatic seal |
| 294s | which had to come from the uh faction |
| 296s | vendor that change went as well where we |
| 299s | got rid of that so we removed that |
| 300s | throttle kept more money in the economy |
| 302s | and so things are looking much different |
| 304s | now than they were when we recorded the |
| 307s | first episode which is why it may have |
| 308s | seemed like we felt one way and the |
| 311s | community felt completely different so |
| 312s | awesome so thanks for that deep dive I |
| 314s | think that kind of shows a lot of what |
| 315s | has happened in the last couple months |
| 317s | um and then looking forward uh as you |
| 319s | mentioned we're in a fosted economy |
| 321s | right now so a lot of that is due to the |
| 323s | winter event that event gives you a lot |
| 324s | of extra coin we do expect that to die |
| 326s | back down uh we expect to still be in a |
| 328s | fosted economy we'll be generating more |
| 330s | than we're sing but the values you're |
| 332s | seeing at this chart you know are not |
| 333s | going to be generating 40% more coin |
| 335s | each day than we s we expect it to be a |
| 337s | good bit lower yes um and when you |
| 339s | mentioned a sync economy too I do think |
| 341s | it's important to note those can be |
| 343s | healthy like one thing we care about in |
| 345s | new world is we don't want runaway |
| 346s | inflation we don't want every player |
| 348s | suddenly having millions of gold and a |
| 350s | basic iron ore costing 10,000 gold we |
| 352s | want to make sure we're managing that |
| 353s | inflation in a way that uh that coin |
| 355s | growth is gradual and new players don't |
| 358s | come into the game with an |
| 359s | insurmountable feel of holy cow I need |
| 361s | to get how much gold to be competitive |
| 363s | uh and I think that's something that's |
| 364s | pretty important to us so yeah I think |
| 366s | on on that aspect right like if you |
| 368s | think about a fresh player coming in |
| 370s | they may do like their first couple |
| 371s | quests and they get maybe five or 10 |
| 373s | gold and they hit the Trade Post they |
| 374s | take a look at it and an iron long sword |
| 377s | is 700 gold and it's just a complete |
| 379s | like why is this how am I supposed to |
| 381s | get this kind of money because they |
| 382s | don't understand it yet and and keeping |
| 384s | that in check is very important yeah |
| 386s | it's also important to keep the lower |
| 387s | tier resources valuable as well so that |
| 389s | those players can immediately jump in |
| 391s | and engage with the economy go farm a |
| 393s | bunch of iron knowing that the high |
| 394s | level players need it to compound into |
| 397s | the star medal the or calcum the mythal |
| 398s | bars so it's important to make sure that |
| 400s | they the lowlevel players are engaged in |
| 402s | all aspects as well I agree definitely |
| 405s | all right so let's a quick look back at |
| 406s | how things have been going now let's be |
| 408s | a little more uh future looking so |
| 410s | there's three issues I want us to talk |
| 411s | about today uh first of these uh players |
| 414s | have indicated they do want some level |
| 416s | of random rolling with crafting we made |
| 419s | it very conscious decision with the |
| 420s | expansion to move away from that towards |
| 423s | more fixed gearing so that way players |
| 424s | could Target gear they want to get |
| 426s | things like Prismatic scarabs and aoth |
| 428s | inductors let you craft the exact item |
| 430s | you want but that's out of weekly |
| 432s | Cadence so I can't just go roll random |
| 434s | gear every day and hope I get this |
| 435s | jackbot item to sell uh Joel so let's |
| 438s | talk about that a little bit so we see |
| 440s | this brought up on Reddit and Discord |
| 441s | players want to roll we previously had |
| 444s | those uh 700 gear score items locked |
| 446s | behind chromatic seal crafts so you |
| 448s | could do one per day you paid someone |
| 450s | else for their craft we moved away from |
| 452s | that towards golden scarabs again uh how |
| 454s | has this been going are you happy with |
| 456s | this change and do you think it's |
| 457s | addressing player feedback yeah so um I |
| 460s | think we're pretty happy with this |
| 461s | update overall um I think that the |
| 464s | golden scarabs are one uh not rate |
| 467s | limited like chromatic seals uh you can |
| 469s | get as many as uh there are on the |
| 472s | market or you can go farm them um beyond |
| 475s | that uh they're also not gated by the |
| 477s | faction shop so we're not sinking uh the |
| 480s | the wealth is transferring between |
| 481s | players uh there's still a lot to learn |
| 483s | here there's still a lot for us to dive |
| 484s | into and we're still waiting to see how |
| 486s | the data plays out we are generally |
| 488s | happier with this because uh there's |
| 490s | more volume that players can craft it's |
| 492s | still a little expensive and we're still |
| 493s | watching that we're not 100% sure where |
| 495s | we're going to go if we want to keep it |
| 497s | this way uh if we want to make it a |
| 498s | little bit cheaper but for now we're |
| 499s | going to uh just watch we're going to |
| 501s | gather data on this um but I I think |
| 503s | it's something that overall allows |
| 504s | players to engage with crafting more |
| 506s | frequently which is an ultimate goal |
| 507s | that we're looking for yeah absolutely |
| 510s | um on the topic of crafting the winter |
| 511s | convergence event just ended uh we had a |
| 513s | pretty big shift with that event uh |
| 516s | about halfway through where the yeti |
| 518s | horns became a rate limited item so you |
| 520s | could get far fewer tokens to that uh |
| 522s | can you walk me through some the lessons |
| 523s | we learned from that and how we'll apply |
| 525s | that to events moving forward uh yeah so |
| 527s | ultimately I think the change with hail |
| 529s | spikes is something that we were looking |
| 531s | at there was an issue with how many |
| 534s | players had to farm they were sitting at |
| 535s | these bosses for six hours a day um I |
| 538s | don't necessarily think that is the most |
| 540s | fun thing to do if I want to go change |
| 542s | and do mutators or do other aspects of |
| 544s | the game but I want to get all of the |
| 546s | stuff in the event I think that that was |
| 547s | problematic uh we also had some |
| 549s | performance issues there that this was |
| 551s | kind of a a double-edged sword or a a |
| 554s | bonus to help with some of those or |
| 556s | mitigate some of those so normally we |
| 558s | wouldn't change something mid mid event |
| 561s | um but between those two things with the |
| 563s | event and with the performance we did |
| 565s | want to change that um going forward we |
| 567s | want to aim for most if not all events |
| 569s | to be something that has some of these |
| 571s | rate limiters there will be a way to |
| 573s | grind ultimately the event but the big |
| 576s | pop of uh reward should generally come |
| 578s | from go do a thing like the Christmas |
| 581s | trees or or excuse me the holiday trees |
| 583s | um we want to make sure that you don't |
| 585s | have to just grind for hours you just do |
| 587s | a couple trees or a couple uh bags not |
| 589s | something that spends hours if not a |
| 592s | good chunk of your play session that day |
| 593s | like the uh the winter uh Warrior yeah I |
| 596s | think one of the big takeaways for me is |
| 598s | uh changing that mid event with was |
| 599s | disruptive to players and we're going to |
| 601s | really try to not do that again in the |
| 602s | future uh we're going to try to make |
| 604s | sure that this is well standardized |
| 605s | ahead of time so that way you don't feel |
| 607s | like the rug is being pulled out from |
| 608s | under you uh with your gameplay Loop um |
| 610s | so definitely something for us to |
| 611s | continue to improve on in the future |
| 613s | abolutely um so next topic is gold |
| 616s | generation so the next topic is coin |
| 618s | generation because we don't use the word |
| 620s | gold um I still see a lot of sentiment |
| 624s | out there that players feel like they |
| 625s | don't have a good way to make money um |
| 627s | how much of this is sentiment versus how |
| 629s | much of this is reality yeah no it's |
| 632s | there are many I think many Avenues in |
| 634s | in New World to to get coin if you will |
| 637s | um the winter event proven as we saw |
| 639s | from the charts earlier it's a huge |
| 641s | Spike and an easy way to kind of get out |
| 642s | there get your get your uh Exquisite or |
| 645s | your Bountiful packages and then you |
| 647s | know get a few hundred gold pretty |
| 649s | easily um the weekly Ubi through the |
| 652s | gold matter cach is another one that's |
| 653s | pretty lowkey that just about anybody |
| 655s | can do um the other side of it comes |
| 658s | from I think |
| 660s | a little bit more on the time investment |
| 661s | side when it comes to trade skills to be |
| 663s | completely honest um I know as a crafter |
| 666s | myself uh a lot of my income does come |
| 668s | from trade skills um but there are |
| 671s | Avenues out there for someone that wants |
| 672s | to do that we see uh a lot of our gold |
| 675s | income actually come from PvP whether |
| 677s | it's opr caches or or um the uh PVP |
| 680s | rewards track um there there's it's how |
| 684s | do I how do I explain this we have a |
| 686s | little bit everywhere versus a whole lot |
| 688s | in just one spot right and so somebody |
| 691s | who has a lot more variety to their |
| 693s | gameplay is going to pick up a lot more |
| 695s | gold along the way CU they're doing all |
| 696s | these little different things um and as |
| 698s | we move forward one of the things that |
| 700s | we're actually looking at and this comes |
| 702s | back to Ubi or that Universal basic |
| 704s | income is how much of these things do we |
| 706s | want to move from a daily Cadence to a |
| 707s | weekly Cadence or maybe every three days |
| 710s | uh and this will help somebody who may |
| 712s | only log in a couple days a week to |
| 714s | still feel like they can keep up while |
| 716s | somebody who logs in every day will |
| 717s | still maintain an edge because well |
| 718s | they're playing the game G more uh and |
| 720s | so those are kind of the the big things |
| 722s | that we're we're looking at when it |
| 723s | comes from what does it mean as a player |
| 725s | to earn coin yeah absolutely I think |
| 728s | it's pretty fair to say we have a lot of |
| 730s | sources that give you a little bit of |
| 731s | coin yes and all those sources together |
| 733s | they really add up that's a significant |
| 734s | amount of coin you can generate per day |
| 737s | uh but because you're getting that coin |
| 738s | in smaller increments it doesn't feel as |
| 740s | impactful I think it's a really kind of |
| 741s | a psychological barrier more than |
| 743s | anything so looking at which of those we |
| 745s | can move to a larger uh chunk I think |
| 747s | will really help that feeling of I can't |
| 749s | make coin and then we can hopefully get |
| 751s | uh feeling better for players yes great |
| 753s | example of that Salvage at one point was |
| 755s | like 20% yeah you're going to say the |
| 756s | same say same it was like 20% of our |
| 758s | income and players are like this is |
| 760s | worthless cuz you're getting like three |
| 761s | coin uh per Salvage of an armor or a |
| 764s | weapon um you just don't feel that even |
| 766s | though the trickle of it you go into a |
| 768s | Mythic dungeon you just get a ton of |
| 770s | gear you you just don't feel those three |
| 772s | coins so finding ways to make it pop |
| 774s | more and feel more valuable um because |
| 777s | it's really more of a perception issue |
| 778s | because you can't see or feel those big |
| 781s | amounts coming in it's little small |
| 783s | increments |
| 785s | absolutely all right so last topic I |
| 787s | want to cover in one I was reading about |
| 789s | uh in the Discord this morning actually |
| 791s | is uh resource availability for tier |
| 793s | five and tier 5.2 yes I think we covered |
| 796s | this in the first episode actually how |
| 798s | mithil ore was significantly uh less |
| 801s | valuable than or calore uh that's a |
| 803s | problem we identified and we've taken |
| 805s | some steps to correct that um Joel can |
| 807s | you dive into the problem a little bit |
| 809s | uh what are players feeling here and why |
| 810s | is that an issue absolutely so um as the |
| 814s | expansion was coming out um we just |
| 816s | didn't have enough mythal nodes in the |
| 817s | game uh so we opted to increase the |
| 821s | volume of mithril for the spawn rate for |
| 823s | how much it was giving uh and that |
| 825s | caused a glut of mithil in our game um |
| 827s | unfortunately on the flip side of that |
| 829s | there's not enough or kelum to refine up |
| 833s | because again we want to keep the value |
| 834s | of the lower tier resources viable we |
| 837s | want to make sure that the items have |
| 839s | purpose in our game um so now we have |
| 841s | this really strong bottleneck especially |
| 843s | around tier five resources and orac |
| 845s | kelcom because things like mithil were |
| 848s | so abundant so not only do we need to |
| 851s | address the abundance of mithil we have |
| 853s | to sync that abundance out so it gets |
| 855s | back to a valuable level so even as we |
| 858s | make changes there's going to be a a |
| 861s | slow churn of making sure similar to |
| 864s | like the the the iron hide previously |
| 866s | thank you um there was thousands upon |
| 869s | thousands of it sitting in players uh uh |
| 871s | storage that just needed to be sunk out |
| 873s | so this is going to take a little bit of |
| 874s | time we have we still have more to come |
| 876s | on what we want to change here Antonio |
| 878s | will talk about that in a moment um but |
| 881s | there is a lot of work to do with making |
| 882s | sure that we get rid of the excess |
| 884s | mithril still making that resource feel |
| 886s | valuable um and doing right by the |
| 889s | previous resources as well such as orac |
| 890s | calcum and the the the need for morbit |
| 893s | ultimately yeah absolutely so as Joel |
| 895s | alluded to uh what steps are we taken to |
| 897s | correct this and what have we done |
| 898s | already already and what might we be |
| 900s | looking at in the future yeah so the the |
| 903s | most recent changes that came from this |
| 905s | uh we went ahead and readjusted the |
| 907s | mythal vein uh respawn times and relax |
| 910s | those back down so they respa much |
| 912s | slower uh that original change had a |
| 915s | couple implications one was there was |
| 916s | just a ton of Mythril everywhere uh two |
| 919s | the gameplay Loop was to just stand at a |
| 921s | node and wait the 3 minutes for it to |
| 922s | respond which is not it's it's not fun |
| 925s | gameplay it's not good gameplay so |
| 927s | that's one of the changes uh the other |
| 929s | changes that we're looking at are do we |
| 930s | want to make any changes to how much or |
| 932s | calcum it takes to make methil uh do we |
| 935s | want it to use less or Calum do we want |
| 937s | to have an orac Calcom node give you |
| 939s | more raw orac calcum or instead um what |
| 942s | do we want to do to or Calcom in order |
| 945s | to kind of adjust for the amount of |
| 946s | mithil that can be made or mythal that |
| 948s | can be used um that's one step the other |
| 951s | thing and this is something that we |
| 952s | touched to earlier was the changes to |
| 955s | Golden Scarab crafts with us removing |
| 958s | the daily limit |
| 959s | and we'll put a chart on the screen and |
| 961s | what you can kind of see is has |
| 962s | happening to some of the other resources |
| 964s | uh from right before the change to |
| 968s | Golden scarabs to ungating them uh the |
| 971s | resource value started to come up and |
| 973s | that's because consumption came up |
| 974s | because people are starting to churn |
| 975s | through and just make golden Scarab |
| 977s | recipes again now you can see or is kind |
| 980s | of lagging behind it's not doing what uh |
| 983s | what wood had done or uh what fiber had |
| 985s | done and that's because as Joel |
| 987s | mentioned there's just a glut of it |
| 989s | people need to kind of burn through |
| 990s | first so as we mentioned in the first uh |
| 994s | economy uh video some of these changes |
| 996s | are a bit slower some of them take time |
| 998s | just because we need to wait and see how |
| 1000s | much of this stuff do we have left in |
| 1002s | the economy how much can get burnt out |
| 1003s | and then what do we need to do kind of |
| 1005s | adjust from there so that's kind of what |
| 1007s | we're looking at uh at the end term all |
| 1009s | right awesome all right so I think that |
| 1011s | about wraps us up uh thank you both for |
| 1013s | your time here and I think we we dove in |
| 1015s | pretty deep here and we'll do this again |
| 1017s | uh in the future for today's community |
| 1019s | question do you prefer daily coin |
| 1021s | faucets or do you prefer weekly coin |
| 1022s | faucets which would you like to see more |
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